Tracking Children, right or wrong????

[Mamabelle]

Please do not beat me up on this, and please keep this thread clean.

Would you put a tracking device/micro chip on or in your child? As to ensure that you find them if they go missing?

[Falcon]

you DO EVERYTHING in your power, if required, to make sure your kids get the best in life

[vaio]

Please do not beat me up on this, and please keep this thread clean.

Would you put a tracking device/micro chip on or in your child? As to ensure that you find them if they go missing?

yes, i would.

[Amelia]

In? as in inject them with one? and they'll grow up and forever have this so someone always knows where they are?
No.

On, as in a watch or shoes... sure.

[letric]

Nowadays a lot of mobile phones have GPS on them, this allows you to track where they are.
Also, there are rubber bracelets with their name and phone number, usually used when children
wander away from their parents and are lost.

[snowbird]

These are the times we now live in ..... and while it may be unthinkable for us to consider this (me anyway) ...who knows..... maybe the next generation would be one of ... GPS tracking....and anyone not providing a tracking tool for their child may be considered.... negligent.... who knows

Right now we already have implants for reasons like:

providing hearing to the deaf.... cochlear implants http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochlear_implant

providing birth control .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norplant


dispensing insulin (the new nanotechnology still being developed)
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/Diabetes-Cure.html


Oh by the way....it is now 'old school' for you to have your dog 'microchipped'...mostly it is done so that if a pet is lost....it can be returned to it's owner.

[BW]

any tracking system is susceptable to hacking. Whether that be by technical means or social engineering- somebody who shouldn't have access can usually find a way get access.

I wouldn't expose my children to that.

The system can, and will, work against the interest of safety for the child.

Kidnappers, thieves, vandals, thugs, gangs, among others- would all have access to the location of your child. That is not a good thing.

[Sirius]

No.

Supposing I had a child I would trust in what I would have taught them about where they should be and when. I would have aimed to create an environment of trust where they would not feel they have to hide things from me -- where I simply would have no use for planting any GPS tracker on my child's body.

Push come to shove, people are already walking around with GPS trackers on them - their smart phones. The next step is embedded chips which as far as I am concerned is a no-no. An inevitability I think, but not an inevitability for which I want any part in speeding up.

And, as BW has pointed out, the same system can be exploited and reversed by unscrupulous parties...

[Falcon]

Oh by the way....it is now 'old school' for you to have your dog 'microchipped'...mostly it is done so that if a pet is lost....it can be returned to it's owner.

so Snow, since the fashionistas decide that this is now inexplicably old school, how in Dickens' name do you identify a dog legally? Passport picture or if he answers his name??

[Falcon]

Typical responses by those who extrapolating.

[vaio]

if allyuh have kids and they ever go missing/kidnapped, i bet you would be wishing that you did put the tracking device on them.

[Mr Majik]

I think the idea has merits, however there are some drawbacks. There are those who already use this technology in kidnapping prone regions.
There have been reports, mainly from Mexico (dem damn Mexicans again!), about kidnappers, before asking for ransom, would call and ask the family the location of the tracker, if the victim couldn't or wouldn't tell them. They would then make an incision and remove it before moving the victim to a safe location. Their threat is that non-compliance would lead them to just cut and slice until they found it, so the compliance rate is extremely high.

[snowbird]

so Snow, since the fashionistas decide that this is now inexplicably old school, how in Dickens' name do you identify a dog legally? Passport picture or if he answers his name??

....that is exactly why dogs are microchipped....so in the event they get lost.... the chip can be read.... and the dog returned to the owner..... prior to that they were ...... 'tatooed' on the belly with an ID number.....

lemme guess..... you either do not have a dog..... or if you do..... you could care less if they ever got lost or stolen..... like children....stuuuups

hey jackharse..... why not read about the subject..... instead ah just airing yuh tonsils

http://www.pettrac.co.uk/

http://helpmefindmypet.com/

[snowbird]

so Snow, since the fashionistas decide that this is now inexplicably old school, how in Dickens' name do you identify a dog legally? Passport picture or if he answers his name??

Oh....also about this .....fashionista crack..... tell meh something nah.....

When people wear 'MidicAlert'....bracelets.....do they do it .....to make a fashion statement....or does it serve a more useful purpose.

[Mr Majik]

Snow...I think you misread Falcon's post. His comments are not saying micro-chipping is a bad idea. He is asking what people are doing now (new school) to ID their pets if micro-chipping is "old school" as you put it.

I had the same question, in fact. I think the problem lies in your use of the term "old school." That gives the implication that something is old-fashioned, passé.

[Falcon]

Leave snow nuh Majik,

the higher she climb everyday, the more she expose sheself

[snowbird]

Snow...I think you misread Falcon's post. His comments are not saying micro-chipping is a bad idea. He is asking what people are doing now (new school) to ID their pets if micro-chipping is "old school" as you put it.

I had the same question, in fact. I think the problem lies in your use of the term "old school." That gives the implication that something is old-fashioned, passé.

Majik...... if you look at some of the links you will see that while this particular technology has ...... evolved.... and while the capability of today...... is nothing like the original design which was the equivalent of an implanted dog licence ..... based on the need of pet owners.... this whole industry has taken off.

The reason why I say 'old school' is because there are also other technologies out there that have
exceeded the capability and safety of these 'implants'..... pet owners are now looking toward those devices as a means of securing their pets now

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/latest-way-...203206962.html


buh is O.K. Falcs right on de ball ...... he real have he finger on de pulse ah dis ting.

[Sly1]

SNOWBIRD: your # post made me buss out laffing. Calling de boy ah JA! Airing he tonsils! Gyurl you have some originals.

Buh back to topic. Anyone here had themselves microchiped yet and who planning to do so?

[trini123]

Morally doing soething is one thing but this can backfire:
- Parents might get a false sense of security and be more careless
- Kids/Teens may not like this idea of being tracked; they may engage in more dangerous activity.

Maybe this technology is only good for a dog that does not really know what it is to be tracked.

[snowbird]

True that ^^^ I don't know too many 'rebellious dogs' ....or least if they are acting up .... it is because of some very real 'insecurity'..... not just to ' get back at their parents'


I could just see and hear it now.....

"O.K. so yuh 'chip meh'.....good, now watch meh while ah knock about whole night"....an de chile 'clocking' mileage fer so'

[snowbird]

SNOWBIRD: your # post made me buss out laffing. Calling de boy ah JA! Airing he tonsils! Gyurl you have some originals.

Buh back to topic. Anyone here had themselves microchiped yet and who planning to do so?

Girl ah eh de bestes poster on de forum far from it....ah doz always tell allyuh ah cursed wid 'long-windedness' .....an digressiveness......

So chuups man....if yuh eh understand wat ah sayin in meh ramblin.... say so....ah go wheel and come again....

Buh nah....not his Apeishness....he rather talk 'AT' people dan talk 'TO' or 'WITH' them....

take ah look at all majik posts (de other fella who geh confused by meh post)....de man doz converse.....WID ...people..... if he eh understand or even if he disagree.... he doz tell yuh 'how so'?

buh ah guess it takes all types.

[Mamabelle]

ll. allyuh make meh laugh.. thanks for the posts. For me, with how children being kidnapped, raped, abused, killed, used as sex slaves, some may think it wise for them to put a chip in their young kids up till a certain age so if they do go missing, they can find them. No one needs to know bout the chip but they people who using it. And if they can put it in their animals why not their kids. I have had a dream where my son went missing from right next to me, and i am screaming at the top of my lungs his name and i got up from the dream with this deathly fear. Since then i always have my kids walking next to me and infront of me. NEVER behind me. this may sound horrible, but if that ever happend to my child where he gets kidnapped and i had the opportunity and money to put a chip in him, i would never forgive myself. This may sound horrible too, but i would rather my child be dead than in the hands of a pedifiler and my child crying for his mommy and daddy and i wondering each and every day where my child is. Please, try to understand from a parent point of view. I rather have a tracking device on my kid. yes there are divices u in watches etc, but they do get lost, they change the kids clothes, hair etc. And you can take the chip out when they reach their teenage years. yes I would put a chip in my kid...

[Sirius]

I don't buy the "Oh I wish I ..." scenario. Life is filled with danger. How many things would you do based on that point something percent of a chance that something may happen? Never remove the safety wheels from the bike, because they may fall? Never let them go somewhere without you, because they may get lost? Never let them drive, because they may crash? How does one complain about kids growing up too sheltered and dependent and then justify planting a GPS chip in their bodies?

If the concern is the child may get lost, then give them a phone with GPS. They will likely always have it on their person, but they won't grow up with a chip stuck inside them.

If the concern is the child may be kidnapped, then as BW indicated, the kidnapper will just carve it out. The criminals will know quite well when people start getting chipped, and they will work to suit.

Raise the child right...make sure they know what to do if they get lost; know how to monitor their surroundings...know where is OK to go without you and where is not. Know when they are too immature to leave to their own devices, and when they are mature enough to let them run free. Raise them with trust and openness so that you always know what they are up to. If you were raised with even an ounce of freedom in your movements then it is selfish to deny your children the same.

Not to mention: People walking around with embedded chips is the true point of no return on the slippery slope to the big brother world. That is a world that I do not want to see. That is the end of individual freedom and privacy.

[edyle]

On, sure.

In? That would be crossing a line.

Your children are your responsibility not your property.

[Sirius]

On, sure.

In? That would be crossing a line.

Your children are your responsibility not your property.

THANK YOU! Reading some of the posts on this thread and others, I wonder how many understand this.