Shafia Family in Canada

[trini123]

In Canada(Montreal): 4 family members dead & 3 family members charged with first degree murder. This is a very sad story. Are these people mad or bad? Who in their right mind can do something like this?


http://www.newstalk650.com/content/story-shafia-family

[snowbird]

I am so glad the jury did the right thing and found this family ..... Guilty.

A clear message has to be sent to these 'radical thinking people' that in Canada everyone has rights....and while you may think this is acceptable for Afghanistan...it is certainly notn outside fo your country.

...can you imagine .....murdering your family..... just because they are acting ......'too Westernized'???? madness.


Hope they do not ask to be deported....because if they do.... there is a good chance they will not serve jail time in their country.

[Mr Majik]

Trini...the family is from Montreal, but the murders, and the trial took place in Kingston, ON

Snow...they cannot be deported. The only way to be deported from Canada while serving a sentence is if you are paroled to serve out the sentence in the community. In their case (presuming they do not, or lose if they do, appeal) they could not be deported for at least 25 years.
In many cases a person may ask to be repatriated to their home country to serve a sentence, but I don't think Afghanistan is a signatory to that international agreement. Even if they were Canada would be reluctant to approve a transfer to a country where they don't feel the sentence would be respected.

The US has, in the past, refused or delayed transfers to Canada because of what they see as an overly generous parole system. There have been cases where Canadians have been repatriated and paroled shortly after since they met Canadian requirements.

[draja]

In another Afghan story.... a husband killed his wife because she gave birth to a baby girl. Told her no more girls as he wanted a boy. The mother-in-law assisted with the killing.

This is more of a culture thing than religion. The Sikhs do the same thing.

[shield_2006]

nice one dey breds.

[snowbird]

Just read in today's National Post (Toronto)...that certain members of the 'Afghan community' (including some extended family members of the accused).....who testified against this family are now being 'threatened' by other community members.

Lawd....this thing getting crazier and crazier

.... I have a feeling this type of thinking by some immigrants who live in Canada....that 'Honor Killings' are O.K. is allot more widesperad than we think.

[draja]

Ol Trini saying.......Yuh culd take some ah dem outa de gutta, buh yuh cyah take de gutta outa some ah dem. I know of some neighbours of Pashtun origin from my home district in T&T and they did not have this type of mentality.

[snowbird]

My question is ..... if you feel this strongly about your culture or religion....why leave your homeland.... and even if you do leave (some of the information coming out at the trial suggest.... he may have been involved in some untoward activity there)...then if you have to go elsewhere.....why go to a country whose customs and beliefs are so different to yours? Why chose a country in the ..... West?

[draja]

They came west not change their culture or religion. The guy's a millionaire now. Owns a plaza in Montreal and now a million dollar home back in his own country.

[snowbird]

Funny eh..... but the same culture that gave him the right to live anywhere ....allowed him to make choices that made him a very rich man.... is the same culture he didn't want his daughters to embrace.... at least not to make 'choices'....go figure.

[Sly1]

Well they want Sharia law where ever they settle.

[snowbird]

^^^

Not going to happen in Canada....they already nipped that in the bud a while back when an Islamic group floated that balloon.

Oh, also, a group of Imams have again spoken out 'against honor killing' (in today's news paper) ......saying they are going to be issuing a 'fatwa' (legal pronouncement in Islam) to advise all muslims that there is no such thing as 'honor killings' or abuse of women that is endorsed or encoraged in the Koran....according to them.... some people are 'misintepreting' what is written in the Koran
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/...slim-families/

[lexbarker]

They got off too easy. In 25 years they will be out. It is 4 lives taken it should be 4 lifetimes, 100 years each.

[lexbarker]

These people are victims of their culture.

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[snowbird]

See this is the problem right there....when people in the media present this as an ...... Islamic Cultural thing....

as we have now learnt from the Imams that are meeting in Canada this week.
.... it is neither a cultural or a religious practice.... it is just a bunch of 'crazies' who are either intentionally....or through mis-interperation of the Koran ..... doing this.

I guess, if we looked hard enough we can find 'Anglo Saxon Americans/ Canadians....even 'fundamentalist Christians' who have gone crazy...and done horrid things to their loved ones.... in the name of religion/race et al...

The important thing is that once we identify these people...we shut them down.

[snowbird]

They got off too easy. In 25 years they will be out. It is 4 lives taken it should be 4 lifetimes, 100 years each.

Not really....the sentence was .... Life, with no chance of parole for 25 years...

those people will never see the outside world again....what it means is that for 25 years they cannot even approach the parole board.... But once they can....they will be turned down... I can't ever see them being granted parole


http://news.sympatico.cbc.ca/home/mu...rdict/b8fcbd5f

[trini123]

^^^^ locking people up is not really a solution; it does NOT bring people back to life.

I think before ppl come to the West they need to realize they run the risk of having a rebellious teenager that they can not control and in the end this can cause some irrational acts. This should be made clear as a risk when they apply to come to Canada.

[Mr Majik]

True honour killing is not Islamic. But it is cultural. It is a big part of the culture of Afghanistan, Pakistan and several other Islamic countries.
When something is an accepted by a large percentage of a population it becomes a part of that population's culture.

[trini123]

exactly. Honour killing +"you touch me and I call the cops" is a disaster waiting to happen. These ppl need to know upfront what they are getting into when coming to Canada.

[snowbird]

^^^^ locking people up is not really a solution; it does NOT bring people back to life.

I think before ppl come to the West they need to realize they run the risk of having a rebellious teenager that they can not control and in the end this can cause some irrational acts. This should be made clear as a risk when they apply to come to Canada.

To be honest.... I don't think our people who accept applications for immigration to this country do a very good job at 'preparing the applicants' for life in 'Canada'....I almost feel that 'before' someone is even allowed to submit an application....they should have to take mandatory classes (just like they do before becoming citizens)..... this way the learn not just about the opportunities the country has to offer.... but about the 'hardships'..... in addition to the rights and freedoms ..... about the challenges a new immigrant will face..... and most important.....about the expectations 'other Canadians will have of them'....and that is .....that they behave in a way that is consistent with the laws of this country.

Too often you hear of new immigrants who are 'ketchin'....saying.....I didn't know it was going to be like this.....why didn't your people tell me..... I blame you for the mess I am in..... (and to a certain extent, yes, it is our fault for not giving it to them straight)

[snowbird]

'Imam issues fatwa on honour killings'http://www.nationalpost.com/scripts/...552/story.html

[letric]

To be honest.... I don't think our people who accept applications for immigration to this country do a very good job at 'preparing the applicants' for life in 'Canada'....I almost feel that 'before' someone is even allowed to submit an application....they should have to take mandatory classes (just like they do before becoming citizens)..... this way the learn not just about the opportunities the country has to offer.... but about the 'hardships'..... in addition to the rights and freedoms ..... about the challenges a new immigrant will face..... and most important.....about the expectations 'other Canadians will have of them'....and that is .....that they behave in a way that is consistent with the laws of this country.

Too often you hear of new immigrants who are 'ketchin'....saying.....I didn't know it was going to be like this.....why didn't your people tell me..... I blame you for the mess I am in..... (and to a certain extent, yes, it is our fault for not giving it to them straight)

Live and learn ...

[lexbarker]

Not really....the sentence was .... Life, with no chance of parole for 25 years...

those people will never see the outside world again....what it means is that for 25 years they cannot even approach the parole board.... But once they can....they will be turned down... I can't ever see them being granted parole


http://news.sympatico.cbc.ca/home/mu...rdict/b8fcbd5f

In 25 years the young kid would be in his 40's.
The woman may be in her 70's.

[letric]

In 25 years the young kid would be in his 40's.
The woman may be in her 70's.

[snowbird]

In 25 years the young kid would be in his 40's.
The woman may be in her 70's.

Frankly..... I can see the young fella surviving 25 years in prison....his parents....ah doh tink so.