Ah look in the Mirror and this is what ah see

[Maccogirl]

Hazel disses Rowley

OPPOSITION Leader Dr. Keith Rowley was not only prevented from seeing his predecessor Patrick Manning when he visited the San Fernando General Hospital last Tuesday but the wife of the former Prime Minister, Hazel Manning, pointedly refused to talk with him.
Rowley, who had challenged the leadership of Manning in 1996 and lost, and who was kicked out of Manning’s Cabinet in April 2008, was stopped in the corridor of the hospital by the former PM’s wife, with a hand signal, and rather than speaking with Rowley, she minutes later sent the doctor to tell the Opposition Leader that Manning was asleep and he could not visit him.

http://www.tntmirror.com/2012/01/29/hazel-disses-rowley

Well ah get cuss when I asked this question why Rowely get blanked, it have some on here that know everything in the PNM so I will ask again what going on here ???

[bigzack]

Maccs, yuh ever think that some ah we (including myself) does look in plenty mirrors until we see something we like?

If we like it, we does rush here with the "good news".

If we doh like it, we does keep we bamcee quiet.

Leh mih bold some words here, and tell mih what yuh think.

According to the information reaching the Mirror, Rowley, who had arrived at the hospital around 4 p.m., surprised by the denial, thanked the doctor and said he would wait to speak personally with Mrs. Manning, with whom he had spoken earlier that morning via telephone when it was confirmed that her husband was indeed hospitalised.

According to a source close to the political leader, “Rowley stood waiting to talk with Mrs. Manning so that he could properly offer his support and sympathies to her, which seemed the human thing to do, but that never happened.”

Mirror learnt that the former PM’s wife promptly went into her husband’s room and locked the door, without so much as saying a word to Rowley, leaving him standing perplexed in the corridor.

It was also learnt that while Rowley was criticised by some for waiting “too late” to visit the ailing Manning, he had in fact telephoned Hazel Manning earlier that morning to enquire about his predecessor’s condition, but was unable to secure her permission to visit her husband.

Four (4) successive paragraphs start of with these nebulous phrases.

Is one thing tuh cite and quote these rags because we like the bacchanal.

Is another thing tuh stake we bulletin board posting credibility on what we read in these papers.

[vaio]

the mirror does only have 'credible' information when it convenient

[shield_2006]

I believe that story--Hazel toting feelings--classic case of denial--blame somebody else.

[bigzack]

the mirror does only have 'credible' information when it convenient

Ah hope that yuh not throwing that for me. If so, you completely miss this:

Is one thing tuh cite and quote these rags because we like the bacchanal.

Is another thing tuh stake we bulletin board posting credibility on what we read in these papers.

I goh continue to cite the mirror and all them newspapers in Trinidad.

When yuh start see me taking what they say as gospel, then yuh could start talking.

[Angie]

[snowbird]

Lawd ....Maccs at it again....

Maccs....Maccs..... go back and read de information ah post of grieving....Anything and everything that Hazel, or her children do or say for the next little while can be attributed to the fact that they are still grieving for what has happened to Patos.

Stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill ....besides, if as Ang. reported the man is confused and rambling at times..... Lord knows just where his memory is right now.... it could be right back to one of his disagreements with Rowley.... does she want her husband to 'relive' some stress from years ago right after a stroke??? NOT!!!

MACCS STOP BEING A JACK HARSE/

[bigzack]

MACCS STOP BEING A JACK HARSE/

And what Bas goh ride?

[Angie]

I find this all so amusing for it portrays a Hazel that is so very different to the one everybody thinks she is.

It publicly shows her to be a very angry, wicked, vindictive and spiteful person... either that or that her jealousy of Sharon Rowley goes very deep.

Either way, as the wife of a former Prime Minister against whom it is alleged is trying to make a come back, this just goes to prove a book should never be judged by its cover ... and since it appears she and Patrick eh no darn different and the people made a very wise decision by voting for the lesser of 2 evil on May 24th 2010.

[saltwater]

Maccs, dese big bunch of hypocrits go start praying on yr head just now. One of dem done start..'iz the grieving process hv Hazel saying dat' ...the nex one start with the Mirror iz the problem...just now DB going to come and post one of he rum-induced senseless joke...then a nex one going to start bawling the hospital iz controlled by the hindu fundamentist gubmt....and the biggest hypocrit going to buss some long prays on yr ched...
All because dey doh want to hear Mr Manning didnt want to see Dr Rowley and Dr Rowley didnt want to see Mr Manning..

[saltwater]

I find this all so amusing for it portrays a Hazel that is so very different to the one everybody thinks she is.

It publicly shows her to be a very angry, wicked, vindictive and spiteful person... either that or that her jealousy of Sharon Rowley goes very deep.

Either way, as the wife of a former Prime Minister against whom it is alleged is trying to make a come back, this just goes to prove a book should never be judged by its cover ... and since it appears she and Patrick eh no darn different and the people made a very wise decision by voting for the lesser of 2 evil on May 24th 2010.

You goh sound better if you buss prays....doh try the psycho-analysis thingy cuz you coming across as the psycho...

[Maccogirl]

Lord now the woman jealous of Rowely wife, and this is the nonsense on here that posters following and telling me I am a Jackarse, all yuh good yes

[Angie]

[Maccogirl]

I just love how all yuh way up in the cold and know everything that is happening in T&T, it is truly amazing. As for you Snow when last you set foot in this land? Instead you taking all your info from someone that claim they know everything happening all over this place, you should find another source before you run on here to claim what you heard is the gospel truth.

That was as far as you knew because Keith and Marlene visited him this morning!

Just a line to remind you all who claim they in the know, knows nothing if they did why is their information so wrong. On Sunday Umbala talk show he claimed that Rowely was told by Joan Yuilie Williams to get his arse up to the hospital to visit Manning, and not go on his walkabout that is why he tried to pay his great visit. Now knowing Joan after Umbala said that on his program it would of taken nothing for her to call in his show and denounce his utterances Umbala even went so far to say Joany could call and confirm if she wants.

So all who want to dance around the subject, all who want to pretend Rowely did not get diss continue but people on the ground willing to talk about it would know what is happening, also not reported is when Rowely got to the hospital there were some woman waiting outside that heckled him, you not hearing one fart on that one, but as I said before all you carry on

[Angie]

Some people really do need to get a life ...... from heartbreak and cussing everybody for Bas to heartbreak and cussing everybody for Manning.

Thank You Jesus that dem days in Gov't goooooorrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnn! WHEW!!!!

Fadder, I waitng fuh de day when we go start to geh cuss for Jack!

[bigzack]

Maccs look in the same mirror, and she fuhget tuh remember tuh see this.

http://www.tntmirror.com/2012/01/29/...dling-of-crime

IF he were Prime Minister, former Prime Minister Basdeo Panday said he would not have allowed crime to get to its present state.

Speaking at the University of the West Indies’ (UWI) Conversations with Prime Ministers Series, Panday said as Head of the Security Council when he was PM, he kept crime at the lowest it has ever been.
Panday, speaking at the second of the four-part series which was held at the Daaga Auditorium last Thursday, said at this time crime was a priority and something should be done. He went on to explain that management of resources is important in the fight against crime.

[Maccogirl]

BZ you getting just as idiotic as some of the posters on here now, you letting meh down big time. What does Panday holding his talk session at UWI have to do with the fact that Hazel run Rowley backside from the hospital eh??

Deal with it nah the people don't want to se Rowely, why should they? When Rowely clan was running Manning from balisier house I did not see any bleeding hearts on here saying how sorry they were, so he get blanked what is the dam big deal, what happen he is the new messiah of the PNM so people have to just drop to the floor when he appears stuepsssssss?

He get blanked, he was told talk to the hand yuh not getting to see Manning, just deal with it nah what so hard in that

[Angie]

Maccs look in the same mirror, and she fuhget tuh remember tuh see this.

http://www.tntmirror.com/2012/01/29/...dling-of-crime

But BZ, some people see what they want to see, they read a passage and take out 1 statement that they believe supports their idiocy. They then fly like a battymamsel waving it in like de flag-oman.


Ent when crime began to rise dat same man took on the role of Minister of National Security and threw his hands up in the air and say he give up?

Shameless I say .... shameless!

[snowbird]

I find this all so amusing for it portrays a Hazel that is so very different to the one everybody thinks she is.

It publicly shows her to be a very angry, wicked, vindictive and spiteful person... either that or that her jealousy of Sharon Rowley goes very deep.

Either way, as the wife of a former Prime Minister against whom it is alleged is trying to make a come back, this just goes to prove a book should never be judged by its cover ... and since it appears she and Patrick eh no darn different and the people made a very wise decision by voting for the lesser of 2 evil on May 24th 2010.

Ang. stop it..... all I see is a woman whose love and life partner has just gone through a 'traumatic episode'.....the end result to which no one yet knows..... like any other 'mammal' she has donned the robe of 'protector' of her loved ones.....and yes, even if it means lashing out at people who may endanger their well being.

I applaud Hazel for wanting to shield her 'pride' from harm..... She is a true 'lioness' to her family at this time of need.

Salty.... it is obvious you have never had a loved one....someone you always saw in a role of 'strength' suddenly struck down by a stroke..... I have....and it was not easy.

.... Some years ago I watched my mother...the 'Matriach' of her side of the family (she was the oldest living relative...and one that everyone else in our extended family....looked up to for advice, guidance and emotional support because of her years of wisdom and life experience).... Salty she was a 'Strong Caribbean Woman' ....one who not only raised 11 kids on her own (after my dad passed)....but also assisted her siblings by way of guidance with their offspring..... she was one of those people who taught others that...... it takes a village to raise a child. Salty....in the business world....she was a legend ...both in T&T and Canada.... finally at 79 she was forced to retire..... when the company she worked for all those years....went under. It was shortly after her 80th birthday she had her stroke..... It was heart breaking for us to watch this once powerful woman reduced to what we were seeing on the bed in the hospital (much of the same symptoms as is described of Patos)....

Salty..... in the early stages....we her loved ones blamed everybody...we blamed the company she worked for for allowing her to work too hard and too long.... we blamed her doctor not not taking better care of her.... we blamed the hospital for not doing more when she was first brought in with the stroke (they did everything to the letter and to the book.... everything that could be done for her ....was) .... finally we started blaming each other for not 'looking for signs' that something may have been wrong.

Salty, we were all referred to a 'counselor' at the hospital who helped us
1. to 'work through' our feelings (each of us seem to take it different.... hard, but different)
2. to help us see that what were were going through was perfectly normal.... and that we shouldn't feel guilty about it.

My mother too, once she was better.... needed and got (in addition to physical therapy) lots of psychological help in dealing with
1. What had happened to her
2. Coming to terms with it
3. Defining a path to move forward....

Salty, many people who suffer strokes....even mild ones..... are never the same..... sometimes it is because of the 'physical damage the body sustains.... sometimes it is the 'psychological damage' done to the brain.....
In the case of my mother....from a physical perspective....some would say....she made a complete recovery (she suffered no lasting paralysis).... However, those of us who know and love her knows..... she was never the same after that stoke.... that attack on her 'brain' was brutal.... that once powerful and strong woman..... lost that positive spirit... it just breaks my heart today....to think of her before the stroke....and what she became after.


So no Salty ah eh talking chyte..... in the case of Hazel.... I have been there done that..... I think on a go forward..... you will all notice a very different Manning family..... you have no idea what they are going through.

Oh and Maccs..... yuh right ah eh know every little ting dat going on in T&T....buh what I am trying to 'educate' allyuh about is ..... what happens when a loved one suffers a stroke. Right now is empathy fer Hazel an she family ah have.....not ah need tuh create.....bacchanal.....just tuh score political points fer allyuh side....ah still say.... allyuh acting lik ah classless, uninformed (on the topic of how the trauma a loved one suffers affects others in the family).... bunch ah wagang. (yeh Potos word)

[Angie]

Ang. stop it..... all I see is a woman whose love and life partner has just gone through a 'traumatic episode'.....the end result to which no one yet knows..... like any other 'mammal' she has donned the robe of 'protector' of her loved ones.....and yes, even if it means lashing out at people who may endanger their well being.

I applaud Hazel for wanting to shield her 'pride' from harm..... She is a true 'lioness' to her family at this time of need.

Salty.... it is obvious you have never had a loved one....someone you always saw in a role of 'strength' suddenly struck down by a stroke..... I have....and it was not easy.

.... Some years ago I watched my mother...the 'Matriach' of her side of the family (she was the oldest living relative...and one that everyone else in our extended family....looked up to for advice, guidance and emotional support because of her years of wisdom and life experience).... Salty she was a 'Strong Caribbean Woman' ....one who not only raised 11 kids on her own (after my dad passed)....but also assisted her siblings by way of guidance with their offspring..... she was one of those people who taught others that...... it takes a village to raise a child. Salty....in the business world....she was a legend ...both in T&T and Canada.... finally at 79 she was forced to retire..... when the company she worked for all those years....went under. It was shortly after her 80th birthday she had her stroke..... It was heart breaking for us to watch this once powerful woman reduced to what we were seeing on the bed in the hospital (much of the same symptoms as is described of Patos)....

Salty..... in the early stages....we her loved ones blamed everybody...we blamed the company she worked for for allowing her to work too hard and too long.... we blamed her doctor not not taking better care of her.... we blamed the hospital for not doing more when she was first brought in with the stroke (they did everything to the letter and to the book.... everything that could be done for her ....was) .... finally we started blaming each other for not 'looking for signs' that something may have been wrong.

Salty, we were all referred to a 'counselor' at the hospital who helped us
1. to 'work through' our feelings (each of us seem to take it different.... hard, but different)
2. to help us see that what were were going through was perfectly normal.... and that we shouldn't feel guilty about it.

My mother too, once she was better.... needed and got (in addition to physical therapy) lots of psychological help in dealing with
1. What had happened to her
2. Coming to terms with it
3. Defining a path to move forward....

Salty, many people who suffer strokes....even mild ones..... are never the same..... sometimes it is because of the 'physical damage the body sustains.... sometimes it is the 'psychological damage' done to the brain.....
In the case of my mother....from a physical perspective....some would say....she made a complete recovery (she suffered no lasting paralysis).... However, those of us who know and love her knows..... she was never the same after that stoke.... that attack on her 'brain' was brutal.... that once powerful and strong woman..... lost that positive spirit... it just breaks my heart today....to think of her before the stroke....and what she became after.


So no Salty ah eh talking chyte..... in the case of Hazel.... I have been there done that..... I think on a go forward..... you will all notice a very different Manning family..... you have no idea what they are going through.

Snow, my sister in law Sybil who lives in Pinto Road suffered a mild stroke just before Christmas last year ... I myself suffered one in 2003 .... while I was still married, my mother in law suffered a massive stroke and died 18 hours later ... so I have first hand experience with strokes, the long and short term effects of it.

But here comes a certain person, flag in hand waving it about Hazel dissing Rowley ... so let me ask, IF that was true, and Hazel allowed everyone else including other Politicians and Panday to visit him ...

Was Hazel being protective?

Was she being vindictive?

Was she so over come by anger towards Rowley and just couldn't help it?

Was the Mirror being malicious when they printed that story with intent?

Will some people take it way I did? or

Will they take it the way you did?

[snowbird]

Angie..... then for someone who has experienced first hand the effects of both having a stroke....and having loved ones have one..... I am really surprised at some of the things you have posted ....with regard to the actions of Hazel .....and other Manning family members.

Honestly Ang.... looking at Hazel actions....all I can say is.....that could have easily been me....or so many other people here on the forum...the other thing that surprises me is the attitude of the media.... other politicians.... and supporters of both parties.... but I put that all down to ..... ignorance.
What has happened to Patos has now been reduced to nothing more than a media circus....much like Kamla kissing foot..... In this case where it was certainly needed....no sensitivity what so ever.....but then true to form .... that is T&T ....where everything is reduced to its....'lowest common denominator'.

[Angie]

Angie..... then for someone who has experienced first hand the effects of both having a stroke....and having loved ones have one..... I am really surprised at some of the things you have posted ....with regard to the actions of Hazel .....and other Manning family members.

This is what happens when other people try to politicize everything ... the responses aren't always palatable!

Honestly Ang.... looking at Hazel actions....all I can say is.....that could have easily been me....or so many other people here on the forum...the other thing that surprises me is the attitude of the media.... other politicians.... and supporters of both parties.... but I put that all down to ..... ignorance.

From a human point of view, I would have done the same to EVERYONE except immediate family.

What has happened to Patos has now been reduced to nothing more than a media circus....much like Kamla kissing foot..... In this case where it was certainly needed....no sensitivity what so ever.....but then true to form .... that is T&T ....where everything is reduced to its....'lowest common denominator'.

Is par for the course.

[bigzack]

BZ you getting just as idiotic as some of the posters on here now, you letting meh down big time. What does Panday holding his talk session at UWI have to do with the fact that Hazel run Rowley backside from the hospital eh??

Maccs, I ent getting idiotic. I reach dey long time.

Panday holding a talk session at UWI, as reported by the Mirror is a fact.

Hazel running Rowley backside from the hospital, as reported by the Mirror is NOT a fact.

You and all here have seen me post things from the Mirror and them other newspapers.

As ah old CID investigator, I always preface my statement with "if it is true then.....blah blah blah"

I know me. I also know them newspapers in Trinidad and Tobago. I challenge anyone here to show a post where I cite something from a newspaper and in nutten flat, I explicitly proclaim it as "a fact", like what you doing dey.

I in tong too long tuh get fool like that.

[Maccogirl]

Hazel running Rowley backside from the hospital, as reported by the Mirror is NOT a fact.

Like you know differently, like you were there or what? The FACT is he did not get to see Manning, you can hide behind the fact Manning was sleeping, the doctors was giving him a sponge bath whatever, FACT he did not get to see him.

FACT he has not made any attempts to go to see him since then, and FACT all he told the Mirror was "no comment" when questioned, if it was all so simple as you put it BZ why did he not explain to the media when they asked him for a comment on what happened?

What Rowely like bacchanal or what, what he want to make Hazel look bad? All he had to do was offer an explanation FACT he did not so he left it open for anyone interpretation, now why do that eh???

[Angie]

Like you know differently, like you were there or what? The FACT is he did not get to see Manning, you can hide behind the fact Manning was sleeping, the doctors was giving him a sponge bath whatever, FACT he did not get to see him.

FACT he has not made any attempts to go to see him since then, and FACT all he told the Mirror was "no comment" when questioned, if it was all so simple as you put it BZ why did he not explain to the media when they asked him for a comment on what happened?

What Rowely like bacchanal or what, what he want to make Hazel look bad? All he had to do was offer an explanation FACT he did not so he left it open for anyone interpretation, now why do that eh???

Not withstanding what I was told by a relative who is a Nurse at the ICU in Sando Hospital ... WHO DO YOU REALLY THINK MAKING HAZEL COME OFF AS WHAT I SAY?

All yuh does come out with all yuh half baked opinions based on 1 statement from an article in the Papers and then get peed off with others who read the whole damn story and comment on it!

Well Angie does read ... not just one line or one statement ... I does read the whole thing ... maybe some ah all yuh need to do the same thing and stop making an arse of all yuhselves with all yuh one statement merrygorong!

Maybe I should ah call she a LIAR too because the same article said this;

In fact while wife Hazel was telling the media last Wednesday that her husband was “recognising people” and “was attempting to get up and talk”, as reported in the Trinidad Guardian, two days after his stroke, Dr. Khan on that very same day was reported as saying that “Manning is in unstable condition.” In fact the report, dated Wednesday January 25, appeared alongside Hazel’s comments and proceeded to tell the population that Manning “is unable to speak or eat,” adding that “he is in an unstable place” and could not move the right side of his body.

So when all yuh want to open a can ah worms, open it wide for all to come out ... not just 1!