JACK Again

[Redman]

Here is my concern with the state of play.
If it is that we are politicizing everything and running everything through the 10 days circuit,who reallywould want to come into focus by offering a product or service to the GOTT??
If by offering a product I'm at risk of being accused by people hiding behind parliamentary privilege I will stay away.
Whether the planes work I think the course of action here is reasonable.

If the planes suitable we implement if not we don't?

As demonstrated above old baggage is being used to cloud the issue.

Gianettis past is irrelevant,as are the other letters yet instead of dealing with what is being said in his letter on this issue.

Anybody has anything to say about the content of the letter ON THIS TOPIC????


Later

[shield_2006]

As demonstrated above old baggage is being used to cloud the issue.

so what exactly do you call Gainetti's diatribe.

As far as I am concerned Gibbs is being paid to solve the problem--we thought he was the solution---but we are now being asked to experiment with solutions and if they do not work--well at least he tried--that may be good enhough for some but defintley not me---or is it that this is accpetable criterion for a CEO as he apparently is now--he comes along and if the divdend falls--we continue to pay and allow him to experiment--or do we pay for experience and success?

What is even more curious is the statement this week by an Assistant Commissioner--I think it was --that the results will not happen overnight--all of a sudden not an outcry and upset an outpouring of indignant of editorials---this country certainly has changed--standards and expectations certainly have dropped-=--it is a dam disgrace that upset is proportionality related to who runs things--if it was wrong then it wrong now.

In case allyuh forget-here is the cacaphony ah bullchit that was splatted in our faces--

[Redman]

Breddo I'm interested in finding a solution.

If we need to spend money in trying things then let's do it.
The 720 hours costing 200 USD an hour without maintenance costs.
60 hrs a week.
if the planes cannot handle it the contract is frustrated.

All I am saying is that we should be concerned about finding out if these planes are what we need and if not what is it that we do.


If we have a solution that meaningfully cuts the crime then 1000,000,000 is acceptable in my books.

Tell me what is the issue with what has happened in clear simple language.

Later

[bigzack]

What is the purpose of Gibbs and them toy plane anyway?

Pilot: Ah flying low over the mang, ah just dodge two cobo, but ah keeping track of the two bandits that just rob the man on the Beetham. Ah have them in mih sights:

999 Operator: Yuh on yuh own dread. We ent have no car tuh send out.

[shield_2006]

reds breds-two questions---34 mph in a tight turning radius?--and whapen to d helicopter and dem?

anyway--zack does have a point--because all dem shooting in lane in tong and outside bar and sundry--I neva hear the solution to any of these crimes come from above--divine or otherwise---so I really not sure the purpose of this device--maybe is to patrol the coast line to stop the in flow of the guns--and again I have this pic in mih head of the senior gentlemen rappelling down from a sport plane--now-- to land on the deck of a fast moving pirogue in the channel at the mouth of the mang by the Scarlet Ibis man by the overpass just south of Grand Bazaar.

Let me also say that I kinda empathise wid Gibbs--because I know Trini and I know that on he own he jam up. I sure he doh know who to trust top down--he in a minefield--because this crime thing appears to be something that some people have a vested interest in ensuring persists--for a variety of agendas--and by himself--Gibbs that is--there really is not much he can do--maybe he just trying to convince himself he making progress. As you well know the purveyors of instant riches penetrate the wide cross section of the elite and otherwise.

[shield_2006]

seems there is a wide cross section of critical views on this matter--on the procurement, on Gibbs and on the plane---and with the exception of pandering Gianetti--none favorable---and I hope Gibbs by his actions has not turned himself into the National Security fall guy---and gotten himself;ef screwed by Ewar-tusty--his fellow countryman.

One fella in the Guardian asking why Gibbs as a foreigner is seated at the National Security Council--as if he reporting to the DEA and CIA--or maybe he is and that is also a problem.

[bigzack]

One fella in the Guardian asking why Gibbs as a foreigner is seated at the National Security Council--as if he reporting to the DEA and CIA--or maybe he is and that is also a problem.

I asked that question on this board a good while back.


Imagine a Canadian holding the state secrets of Trinidad and Tobago.

[kemist]

"After a year of research on STOL aircraft, I decided on the ZENITH STOL CH 701. The "SkyJeep," with the heavy gear and tundra tires has proven it can handle any grass strip (or most of the farm fields). It has a Rotax 912 with a 3-blade Warp Drive prop. The 701 was built for personal use but it also serves as a law enforcement search & rescue vehicle. With 70 hours TTSN, the aircraft has certainly met all our expectations. Some additions included: Full Lexan doors to increase visibility, GPS, and an improved cabin heating system. With its slow flight capability the plane is an excellent observation platform."

well, i'm not too sure about the search & rescue capabilities, but for the other highlighted point - they're admitting that they needed the blimp after all - which goes to show that they are thinking just as bad as the previous admin.

In this day and age, I am wondering why air surveillance is even necessary to monitor activities on the ground within our small land mass - a feat that can be more efficiently achieved via a proper CCTV network - which would provide us with more than just surveillance. Helicopters can pick up the slack for the outskirts and forested areas.

Also, only acquiring a single plane implies 'targeted surveillance' as it would be inefficient to use it for 'patrols'. So even if they need some sort of aircraft for surveillance purposes, i would think that it doesn't even need to be a manned aircraft.

Check this out:

Although UAVs are today most commonly associated with military actions, UAVs are increasingly being used by civilian government agencies, businesses, and private individuals. In the United States, for example, civilian law enforcement agencies use drones to patrol the nation's borders, scout property, and hunt down fugitives. UAVs can be powerful surveillance tools, capable of carrying face recognition systems, license plate scanners, thermal imaging cameras, open WiFi sniffers, and other sensors.^[103]

So why do we keep investing in inefficient primitive methods? (to give the illusion that things are being done?)

[shield_2006]

Yup--that was the position of Rafique Shah in to-day Express---new technology---unmanned flight systems etc.

I still doh understand what we hope to accomplish by all this flying stuff--maybe we will be able to see when them fellas shooting off at each other--or when a young lady gets robbed at her office in Chaguanas--or when a woman gets chopped up in her home--or a birds eye view of the stabbing in the bar--and then no doubt the solution rate of crime will grow exponentially in direct correlation with hours flown---maybe?

Mickey Mouse political horse manure intended to convince a rather simple minded population who views everything by association that their interests are being better served--nothing else- but moire foolishness.

[letric]

Power politics is the diplomatic name
for the law of the jungle...
Benjamin Disraeli

Party loyalty lowers the greatest of men to the petty level of the masses

[Mr Majik]

slatwater should be careful when she searches for people to quote to echo her point of view--Ian Gianetti is a man with an interesting past. But he mus be after something new seeing as how he marketing his allegiances--buh den again slatwater living foreign so all she know is articles in the papers--not the people

Not only that--Gianetti seems to suggest that a CEO should be allowed unfettered authority to do as he pleases--which is such a crock--because even in private enterprise their is an accounting to a Board---unless of course slatwer want the Commissioner to run the Police like it is HIS private business--buh den again lately anything is acceptable as long as it comes form where it is coming form.

Shield breds...you bring up some very good points on this thread, however, you are mistaken on these points.

If you appoint a top manager lay out his authority and approve his expenditure budget, let him do his job and check the results.

That quote does not suggest that he be given unfettered authority. It says that his authority should be outlined up front, and then he should act as he sees fit within that authority.
"Check the results" satisfies where you say there should be "an accounting to the board."

My comments here should not be taken as taking a position for, or against Gianetti's total argument. I am simply saying that Gianetti's point matches your viewpoint, on this specific issue.

It would, in fact, be the proper thing to allow a CEO freedom to use the authority granted him. If he fails in his endeavours then he should pay the price, up to, and including, dismissal.
My only hope is that the contract given Gibbs has such a clause built in, without a massive payoff in the event his services are no longer desired.
I have seen too many government contracts committing huge amounts of taxpayers' dollars in the event the contract is terminated for non, or under-performance.

[Redman]

I asked that question on this board a good while back.


Imagine a Canadian holding the state secrets of Trinidad and Tobago.

It have locals that report on all matters Energy.

Allyuh worry bout Gibbs


Later

[Redman]

reds breds-two questions---34 mph in a tight turning radius?--and whapen to d helicopter and dem?

anyway--zack does have a point--because all dem shooting in lane in tong and outside bar and sundry--I neva hear the solution to any of these crimes come from above--divine or otherwise---so I really not sure the purpose of this device--maybe is to patrol the coast line to stop the in flow of the guns--and again I have this pic in mih head of the senior gentlemen rappelling down from a sport plane--now-- to land on the deck of a fast moving pirogue in the channel at the mouth of the mang by the Scarlet Ibis man by the overpass just south of Grand Bazaar.

Let me also say that I kinda empathise wid Gibbs--because I know Trini and I know that on he own he jam up. I sure he doh know who to trust top down--he in a minefield--because this crime thing appears to be something that some people have a vested interest in ensuring persists--for a variety of agendas--and by himself--Gibbs that is--there really is not much he can do--maybe he just trying to convince himself he making progress. As you well know the purveyors of instant riches penetrate the wide cross section of the elite and otherwise.

Well its cheaper to run than the helicopters.

less fuel,less maintenance, maybe we could get 10 patrols for the cost of 3 helicopters, maybe they getting rid of the helos because Aunty Kamy done hogging them an it eh have no room for bar in the planes.

My point is that if it is that the CoP had the authority to make this commitment then whats the problem?
Its a TEST period at a cost of 200 per hr USD.

I dont know if the units suitable,people in the business of Nat Sec and I respect and who are critical of this Govt and Gibbs say we should look at them seriously.

That good enough for me.

If they dont work then we move on.


Later

[bigzack]

I dont know if the units suitable,people in the business of Nat Sec and I respect and who are critical of this Govt and Gibbs say we should look at them seriously.

Suitable for what Reds?

What Gibbs and Ewatski plan to do with this plane re crime fighting?

[Redman]

Suitable for what Reds?

What Gibbs and Ewatski plan to do with this plane re crime fighting?

Well thats a good Question. I dont have the answer

My POV is that IF the CoP has the authority to engage and he engaged then is there an issue?

If the requirements and application are generally unknown then how come its decided the units are unsuitable?

If its a trial period then the suitability should be determined during the trial period.

So..... what is the issue?

Later

[Redman]

Power politics is the diplomatic name
for the law of the jungle...
Benjamin Disraeli

Party loyalty lowers the greatest of men to the petty level of the masses

At least you put the source in 50% of the content.
progress



Later

[shield_2006]

Suitable for what Reds?

What Gibbs and Ewatski plan to do with this plane re crime fighting?

I know--I know--if the helicopter break dong the plane have such a short take off and landing profile--it cud land in Skinner Park.

[roger]

*** If Gibbs and Ewatski have to get out of here in a hurry which aircraft will be more suitable for taking them back to Canada: the plane or a helicopter?


Roger

[snowbird]

*** If Gibbs and Ewatski have to get out of here in a hurry which aircraft will be more suitable for taking them back to Canada: the plane or a helicopter?



Roger

an dem saying I doz post chuppidness?

Yeh Roger.... just like how Calder had to sneak out in ah private plane in de middle ah de night... after he did done teef out T&T

.... Oh wait, it was de PM who arrange everyting fer he wen it was time tuh go

Roger boy.....wen is time fer Gibbsy tuh go..... he will do so with much.... pomp and circumstance.....and loads of ...... cash

[letric]

an dem saying I doz post chuppidness?

Yeh Roger.... just like how Calder had to sneak out in ah private plane in de middle ah de night... after he did done teef out T&T

.... Oh wait, it was de PM who arrange everyting fer he wen it was time tuh go

Roger boy.....wen is time fer Gibbsy tuh go..... he will do so with much.... pomp and circumstance.....and loads of ...... cash

Snowbird, anger is a momentary madness, so control your passion or it will control you ...

[Redman]

I know--I know--if the helicopter break dong the plane have such a short take off and landing profile--it cud land in Skinner Park.

It de have bigger field in Sipuhria

Later

[roger]

an dem saying I doz post chuppidness?

Yeh Roger.... just like how Calder had to sneak out in ah private plane in de middle ah de night... after he did done teef out T&T

　
*** Well Snowbird at least this time they cannot say you are posting stupidness: go to the front of the class. We know that scenario all too well: Sumad sledge hammers Calder Hart's gate so that the courts could say that Calder Hart was unsafe and under attack here thus creating an excuse to allow him to leave the Country.

Next move (the advanced level class now) they bring in Gibbs from Canada, in my view, to ensure that no police investigation here could lead to the detection of any crime committed by Calder Hart or to his arrest/ extradition or incrimination.
　
So now that Gibbs sees himself under possible threat here he might be trying to make sure that he has his escape routes clear:


- his obvious secret spying on people's conversation has allowed him to overhear it said here that just as George Bush had the fortitude to hang even the president of another Country for being involved in terrorism that threatend the USA's national security, that is Saddam, even so Trinidad should have that same fortitude to execute the Commissioner of Police if he is indeed proven to be engaged in the axis of evil global underworld terrorism that is evidently being practiced against this Country today-

.... Oh wait, it was de PM who arrange everyting fer he wen it was time tuh go. Roger boy.....wen is time fer Gibbsy tuh go..... he will do so with much.... pomp and circumstance.....and loads of ...... cash

*** You are not paying proper attention in class Snowbird. Haven't you heard the song by Tony Lee that has probably led to Gibbs ordering an attack on the Newsday in retaliation? In my view, that calypso should be given the calypso monarch title for this year above all those in the finals.

The man clearly makes you to understand that it is 'Christopher Columbus' that the Prime Minister is listening to and that might also be why she is lying so. So it is Massa that has been running this Country whether PNM, Peoples' Partnership or whoever else is in power.
　
　
Roger

[Falcon]

Roger, I think you need a lie down; you're beginning crazy talk

[roger]

Falcon comments:

Roger, I think you need a lie down; you're beginning crazy talk

*** Man of a few words, do you care to elaborate? Where exactly did you get lost?


Roger

[snowbird]

*** Man of a few words, do you care to elaborate? Where exactly did you get lost?


Roger

I don't know what he means.....but reading your posts... to me it reeks of ...... paranoia


letric: no anger or madness boy..... buh yeh plenty passion.... Which is why I choose to express myself ..... in my words... in my way.... not quote book needed for this lady