Canadians Murdered in Mexico.....

[snowbird]

Seems like it has been open season on Canadians in Mexico.

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/video....5-218411940400



http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/n...8-4b62077570dd

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityne...lled-in-mexico

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...-canadian.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2009/09/18/montreal-woman-dead-mexico.html

Maybe it is time for some of those tourist to start visiting..... T&T instead

[shield_2006]

by a Trini

[snowbird]

^^^ and????

[lexbarker]

No Mexico for me for now.

[snowbird]

strange thing is.... this thing has been going on in Mexico for years.
.... yet Canadians ( not just the criminal element) still keep going.... and still end up being victims of crime ...and not just murder, but muggings....shootings...and other forms of violence...When will we learn?

.... it is not like we cannot get the same thing..... (sun, sand and surf) in other destinations in and around the Caribbean

[Sly1]

Hopefully with the news covering the stories, Canadians will understand that Mexico can be dangerous

[snowbird]

Sly 1....there has been violence against Canadian tourist in Mexico.....for years

...yet ...because of the inexpensive and attractive 'all inclusive' packages the tour operators have been offering.... Canadians keep taking the bait and going down with the attitude of ....."it won't happen to me".

Years ago my children vacationed there regularly (a short 3 1/2 hour trip at the most)....ever since this 'blatant' violence against tourist have erupted... they have excluded Mexico from their vacation destinations....and that is too bad...because they have so many fond memories (and pictures).... of time spent there .

[snowbird]

Just heard another Canadian was murdered in Mexico.... only there seems to be a link to the 'illegal drug' industry and organized crime... as he was killed in a city know for 'drug cartels'... and a place where tourist don't normally 'vacation'

just waiting to see something online.... if that is the case... and this person was involved in that industry.... I say.... good riddance

[snowbird]

What is going on..... yet another Canadian viciously attacked in Mexico a couple days ago.....this time at an 'upscale' 4+ star hotel....right in the hotel.

The poor woman is in a coma in a Mexican hospital.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CanadaAM/2...-hotel-120123/

..... Sheila Nabb, 37, was found beaten and lying in a pool of blood in an elevator at the Hotel Riu Emerald Bay in Mazatlan on Saturday. She was on vacation in the popular tourist area with her husband Andrew at the time......

....Mexican news website noroeste.com has reported that Nabb may have been assaulted in a hotel room and then dragged to the elevator. She was reportedly turned away by two private clinics before she was taken to a hospital in serious condition.....

...... "Our thoughts are with the badly injured Canadian and her family during this difficult time," said a statement emailed by the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade."Our officials in Mexico are providing consular assistance to her and her family and are in contact with Mexican authorities." .....

[Mr Majik]

There's more to this story with the woman who get beat. There are reports she had been seen having drinks with someone other than her husband earlier in the night.
She left the husband sleeping between midnight and 6 am when he awoke to find her gone.
She was beaten around 2 am.

I feel she meet a man and things didn't go right so the man beat her. I don't feel this one is a Mexican crime, rather, tourists in Mexico.

[snowbird]

There's more to this story with the woman who get beat. There are reports she had been seen having drinks with someone other than her husband earlier in the night.
She left the husband sleeping between midnight and 6 am when he awoke to find her gone.
She was beaten around 2 am.

I feel she meet a man and things didn't go right so the man beat her. I don't feel this one is a Mexican crime, rather, tourists in Mexico.

Majik.... I don't know what to think.... but remember when that couple from Aurora got killed....somehow the Mexicans turned the story around to say...they were involved in 'something' (even though they were just there for their daughters wedding)...then they decided it was those two Canadian nurses (from somewhere up North of Toronto)who were also on their floor ...who did it....To date, they have never solved that crime.... but somehow, the Mexicans always seem to point a finger at ' outsiders' doing these crimes....

As to the woman being out on her own in the hotel.... Majik....when you are on vacation it is quite normal to see women milling around on their own ..... inside the hotel (knowing that there is hotel security... you know you are safe)...either going for a quick coffee, a quick smoke... or even a snack.

.... I don't know how many times we (either my husband or I) would be in our hotel room later on in the evening....then decide we need a late night snack.... while the other one is asleep.... we would go down to the lobby (to the 24 hour grill).... to get a sandwich or a coffee..... we would sometimes even end up ..... 'ole talking' with the overnight staff who are so bored on that shift....they are glad to have a company and .... old talk.

There is nothing unusual about what that woman did (going off on her own).... within the hotel....and the hotel staff know this. The hotel lobby is where most people hang out to chat and mingle with people they either met earlier in the day... or just to 'ole talk' with new friends....it's done all the time .... and most of the time there is nothing untoward about it.

[Mr Majik]

So Mr. Snow wouldn't mind if you had a few drinks with a fella earlier in the evening then went for a "nightcap" with the fella when he sleeping?

[snowbird]

So Mr. Snow wouldn't mind if you had a few drinks with a fella earlier in the evening then went for a "nightcap" with the fella when he sleeping?

That would never happen....what I am saying is .... it is not unusual to meet people in the day.... then see them again at the bar.... or in the restaurant.... and as to meeting them for a drink..... majik.... at an all inclusive....that is all people do...which is why most hotels have .....several drinking areas....most of them very public where the guests....congregate.

Look, majik....every year a bunch of 'us gals' go away for a 'ladies week' (have been doing it for years)..... we do the whole nine yards....the spar, the drinking, the eating, the dancing the sight seeing....for us it's strictly a .... ladies R&R (and to get away from pesky men )

....majik I can count on one hand (and probably only need two fingers) to count how many times we may have had a 'stupid' experience (drunks trying to hit on you)....do you think Mr. snow... or the other husbands would let their wives go off for a week ....if they thought they could come to harm?

At resorts, it is quite common to see single ladies or groups of ladies .... who move around.....un accosted

.... Trust me, there are enough travel forums and hotel websites for people who are either ....looking for companionship...or just a good lime, when they go to a particular hotel....if that woman happen to be out in the hotel on her own at night....she was not doing anything unusual..... or untoward....for a resort hotel.

[trini123]

Now they are saying it might have been a Canadian tourist. This is one strange story- Mexican, husband, Canadian tourist. They have some video so hopefully the real truth comes out and this comes to justice.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...2317244/print/

[snowbird]

Seems like they finally caught the guy...... A MEXICAN MAN ARRESTED .....


....The suspect is Jose Ramon Acosta Quintero, from Mazatlan. He was identified through a blood sample and a surveillance video, Gomez said.
Quintero has admitted responsibility in the attack, Gomez said, and is likely to be charged with attempted homicide.....


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/mexico-beat...144829906.html



You know this type of crime really blows....

What he has done is now.....destroyed the trust that is build into the community spirit and atmosphere that exists inside of these All Inclusive Resorts....

This is the type of atmosphere that appeals to people who go on these vacations.... the fact that you can meet a bunch of people who have things in common with you (like to drink, party, socialize)....and for a week or two (or more in the case of Europeans travelling all the way to the Caribbean) ....and have a wonderful experience.... and in some cases end up creating life long friendships..... it is too bad this type of thing had to happen ...... people are going to be so much more 'guarded' now when they go on these vacations now. ...too bad.

[Poser]

if this guy is telling the truth, why was this woman naked in the elevator?


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[Mr Majik]

if this guy is telling the truth, why was this woman naked in the elevator?


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Yuh done know something fishy when de Police say de man done confess everyting.
Ah doh have too much faith in dem Mexican confession...

[Poser]

Is this a joke? The guy confesses in front of the media with no lawyer? I doubt very much he is responsible for what happened.

The Mexican government just needed to "show" us tourists that their country is safe and that the police take these assaults seriously. I'm sure in a few days he will be let go with a few pesos in his pocket for the trouble.

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[Mr Majik]

Either that or they beat him till he say whatever they want. That's the Mexican way...

[snowbird]

Fellas there is allot more here at play....


The truth is going to come out one way or the other.... but regardless of the outcome.... I will tell you what this will do.

It will once again put that....'us and them' (locals and foreigners) mentality back into tourism....and that is too bad.

I reflect on say about 15/18 years ago (prior to that we did very little foreign travel)... when we first started visiting these resorts.... there was a distinct barrier... locals did not mix with the visitors at the hotels (they were restricted).... over the years..... I have seen the understanding, the trust and the familiarity build between us grow..... I have seen the ease with which we interact grow and replace the formality of the past..... I have seen genuine friendship replace .....obligation to be nice.

There is such an ease in the way tourist now interact with locals that many hotels now allow the locals to vacation at these resorts .... either picking up the sell-offs if the hotel is not sold out..... or as in the case of Cuba that I know of.... stays at the hotel for staff and family in the off season is part of the compensation package.... a benefit.

To me it would be sad if an incident such as this is the last straw for these hotel chains.... and that not wanting to risk the safety of their guest (not to mention the liability)....simply stopped the practice

.... Guys, we have met and come to know some of the nicest 'locals' as a result of being able to vacation with them..... I have met so many family members of the staff who work at the hotel we frequent (some of these people are now my friends...and we communicate all the time)..... my grand kids have played with their kids and grand kids (even the language was not a problem...children can communicate .... language aside ).

I think it is for this reason that Mexico has to come clean..... had the woman died.... it would have been a different story.... but unfortunately for the perpetrator.... she is going to be able to tell the story so there is no way Mexico is going to be able to sweep this under the rug.

Had this crime .... like many others happened outside of the resort.... that would have been the end of it..... had there been no witnesses.... they would have done their 'bogus' investigations.....and that would have been the end of it.... but now with video footage..... and the victim able to tell the story.... Mexico and the hotel chain is .... boxed in.

There is going to be big fall out from this.... and not all good or fair to people who has nothing to do with the criminal element..... they will just get branded for it....I can see us going back to 'us and them' for the simple reason.... tourist will now ask....."Are locals allowed to stay at the hotel?....then no thank you very much....we eh coming to your hotel"

[Mr Majik]

So the Mexican fella say he was with a Canadian fella drinking and snorting coke when they decide to make a pass by the hotel?
So where the Canadian fella. I sure he know the man name, or which hotel he staying in, or where in Canada he from. When you partying with someone those are the types of things you learn about them. And I'm sure the Mexican police would have been glad to beat that info out of him. I mean, since he confessing anyway...

Today's papers say not even the woman family buying that confession. they say it have too many holes in the story to make it believable.
No report on what they feel really happen.
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/30...ing-confession

[snowbird]

Boy..... like they say ...... there is always three sides to every story...... his side / her side ....and somewhere in between....the truth.

...it is just sad that in addition to the victims in this story.....the whole tourist industry in Mexico (and elsewhere I'm sure) will also fall victim to what has happened here..... I know my children swore off Mexico years ago when the attacks started happening....dey say....dey eh goin back dey no time fer sure now. They are afraid not just of the violence being reported..... but for how it is handled ....by both the Mexican authorities....and the Canadian authorities.

[Mr Majik]

I really can't understand how the Mexicans still getting so many Canadian tourists. Is not just now this going on. Is years. But then again, the amount of Americans going Mexico is multiple times the number of Canadians. Why??

Like you say, the scary thing is that the authorities are not dealing it with the problem in an acceptable manner. They should be more like Jamaica: Mess with a tourist and you're more likely to end up in the bone yard than the court yard. The odd tourist still gets in problems in Jamaica, but you never hear of that problem being on or near the resort areas. It's almost always when they stray off the beaten track.
And the Jamaicans investigate and prosecute efficiently in those cases.

[snowbird]

Why are they still going Majik? two reasons....

1. very attractive prices for these 'All inclusive vacations' ......much lower than they were years ago

2. "It will never happen to me" ....... people are still 'playing the odds' with their safety.

[trini123]

This is a strange story. Why would someone openly admit trying to kill someone? That is surely a one way ticket to jail.