PhD in Carnival

[Falcon]

Not really ah PhD in Carnival, that was just to get you clicking the thread.

Anyhow, since yuh here, a man get the second PhD from UTT. Now, let's leave discussing the merits and robustness of telling anyone you have a PhD, but it from UTT. That is another discussion for another day.

But the man is claimed to have said in his thesis:

Size of study
A total of eight rituals, observances and festivals were chosen: four festive; three ritualistic and one ritualistic commemorative. These fell into three religious categories in current practise; Hinduism, Islam and Christianity. The Hindu rituals and festivals were—Ramlila, Divali, Shivaratri and Phagwa/Holi. The Christian festivals were Christmas and Carnival and the Islamic ritual was Muharram or Hosay. The all encompassing-Flag or Jhandi, both ritual and festive, was also examined, Balkaransingh noted.

Guardian 20.11.11

My question is, is Carnival a Christian festival?

I was taken aback at this affront.

[Solachica]

Uwi have Carnival studies degree I think.

[vaio]

so what, no link?

[Falcon]

Link for what? Some thread idea in me head?

[amzz]

i wonder if d study noted that hoosay is not considered islamic by the majority of muslims in tnt...

[Falcon]

ever more reason to question the validity of their degrees!!

[guyguy]

i wonder if d study noted that hoosay is not considered islamic by the majority of muslims in tnt...

Why not amzz? I remember spending time at my relatives in St. James for Hoosay and clearly, it was a muslim festival. I even used to help building the tadjas. Maybe there are no more Shiite Muslims in Trinidad anymore.

[snowbird]

To answer you question Falcon... is Carnival a Christian festival?

Absolutely not..... in Trinidad and Tobago (and some other parts of the world) .... Carnival is a Pre-Lenten 'ritual'....the church never prescribed how the pre-lenten season is to be celebrated / observed.... the Christian Church only directive is on the actual period of 'Lent'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Lenten_Season




On an aside.... one of my children who has a degree in Cultural Studies ...once asked me to tape a TV program which was being aird on.... 'The History of Caribana' as one of the professors was being interviewed

in the interview.... one of the things which this professor explained to ther host was certainly news to me..... she explained that:

"This whole exercise called 'wining' displayed by the revelers in the Trinidad and Tobago Carnival.... dates back to the days of 'slavery' .....this a 'mating / fertility ritual exercised by the slaves".

Well all I could tell my daughter was ..... that was one part of Trini's carnival history I missed ...and here all along I am thinking that those people wining dong de place were just plain 'wotless' ..... not realizing they were simply re-inacting history

[letric]

To answer you question Falcon... is Carnival a Christian festival?

Absolutely not..... in Trinidad and Tobago (and some other parts of the world) .... Carnival is a Pre-Lenten 'ritual'....the church never prescribed how the pre-lenten season is to be celebrated / observed.... the Christian Church only directive is on the actual period of 'Lent'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Lenten_Season




On an aside.... one of my children who has a degree in Cultural Studies ...once asked me to tape a TV program which was being aird on.... 'The History of Caribana' as one of the professors was being interviewed

in the interview.... one of the things which this professor explained to ther host was certainly news to me..... she explained that:

"This whole exercise called 'wining' displayed by the revelers in the Trinidad and Tobago Carnival.... dates back to the days of 'slavery' .....this a 'mating / fertility ritual exercised by the slaves".

Well all I could tell my daughter was ..... that was one part of Trini's carnival history I missed ...and here all along I am thinking that those people wining dong de place were just plain 'wotless' ..... not realizing they were simply re-inacting history

Live and learn

[Falcon]

Thanks for that explanation Snow, I thought I was going mad thinking Carnival was NOT a Christian festival when people getting higher degrees from making them assumptions.

Buh like yuh din get the memo Snow, yuh s'pose to be vex like crab wid Falcon to justify Poser PMS this evening

[Poser]

Thanks for that explanation Snow, I thought I was going mad thinking Carnival was NOT a Christian festival when people getting higher degrees from making them assumptions.

Buh like yuh din get the memo Snow, yuh s'pose to be vex like crab wid Falcon to justify Poser PMS this evening

You have an inherent ability to read members wrong .. to justify your madness .. or to camouflage .. your insecurities …

[Falcon]

Checkmate on this one breds; go back to the 70-30 and fite up dey

[amzz]

gg, it shows how much u know bout islam and muslims in tnt

[guyguy]

gg, it shows how much u know bout islam and muslims in tnt

Then educate me nah. I didn't profess to be an expert on Islam or any religion for that matter. I stated what I used to do when I was a young boy.

[amzz]

gg, u dont need me to educate u, there ae many other more qualified sources available. One right on this forum.. go to him.

[guyguy]

gg, u dont need me to educate u, there ae many other more qualified sources available. One right on this forum.. go to him.

Who's that? And, ent you iz ah teacher, or supposed to be one? Wat kinda teacher you iz when you doh even want to teach me?

[letric]

Who's that? And, ent you iz ah teacher, or supposed to be one? Wat kinda teacher you iz when you doh even want to teach me?

Perhaps, because you are an unwilling student...

[guyguy]

Perhaps, because you are an unwilling student...

Au contraire, mon ami. I am always willing to learn, even if the information may be inaccurate, at least I will have learnt something.

[snowbird]

Thanks for that explanation Snow, I thought I was going mad thinking Carnival was NOT a Christian festival when people getting higher degrees from making them assumptions.

Buh like yuh din get the memo Snow, yuh s'pose to be vex like crab wid Falcon to justify Poser PMS this evening

Aye... what part ah 'leggo' yuh doh understand?

Look doh leh meh hav tuh come over by your side ah geh yuh to clout.



Anyhoo..... I also heard that the UWI runs a symposium around Carnival time on the topic (for people visiting the island who may want to take it in)....maybe I should get my daughter to come down.... take part in one.... and 'debunk' all them 'theories'

[amzz]

gg, why do i feel that tryin to teach u would be useless

[guyguy]

gg, why do i feel that tryin to teach u would be useless

So yuh tink meh head hard o' wot?

[trini123]

I see you can get a masters in Carnival. That is the craziest thing I saw today.


http://u.tt/index.php?utt_programmes=1&home=1

[snowbird]

I see you can get a masters in Carnival. That is the craziest thing I saw today.


http://u.tt/index.php?utt_programmes=1&home=1

Why not? you can get a masters in most other 'liberal arts' subjects... so why not carnival. When you consider the history of 'carnival' and not just Trini carnival.... I would imagine it could be quite a wide and interesting subject.

[bigzack]

My question is, is Carnival a Christian festival?

I was taken aback at this affront.

The word Carnival comes from two latin words:

Carne -- Meat
Vale -- Goodbye.

When put together it means -- "Goodbye to meat".

It heralded a period when christians gave up meat as a way to purify their bodies of all duttyness.

In Trinidad, the church forced us to give up calypso for 39 of the 40 days in lent.

The days of carnival are set by the Catholic Church.

[amzz]

BZ, where u got ur info on the church setting the dates for carnival?
as far as my understanding goes (and I may be very wrong) Ash Wed. is dependent upon Easter..

if d church sets d date for carnival how come it isnt observed internationally?