How to cite a source in a forum discussion.

[Huma]

I've seen mods delete post content and notify users numerous times about copyright rules, and the message doesn't seem to be getting across.

Copyright rules/laws prevent you from posting entire articles (or unreasonably large segments thereof) in your post.

And common sense/courtesy indicates that you can't just copy and paste information without telling people where you got that information from.

So here are some simple steps to add more credibility and legitimacy to your point-proving information.





- Copy a paragraph or so from the article that best summarizes its focus.

- Put that paragraph in the quote wraps.

- Copy the URL of the page where you got the story.

- Put that URL above or below the quoted paragraph.

- Say something yourself. Even if it's something snide and witty.

You'll be able to share information, indicate where you got the information from, and leave a link for people to go check your source and read up further.

The end result looks a little like this:

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According to this post, there are rules we need to follow when we post copyrighted material.

Users are asked to pay special attention to copyright and intellectual property laws when copying material from other sources/sites.

Please include the source of any copied material and an URL where possible.

Please do not make posts that consist only of copied material without any original input.

Posts found to be in violation of copyright and intellectual property laws will be removed.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=38

Now that I know, I'll try to write my posts accordingly.

What do yall think?


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Understand now?

[guyguy]

Great idea. Would you prefer the MLA or APA style of citation? Only problem in your example of the block text quotation, there is an opening quotation mark but no closing quotation mark. How then do I know that the quotation is complete?

[Zerothree]

I've seen mods delete post content and notify users numerous times about copyright rules, and the message doesn't seem to be getting across.

Copyright rules/laws prevent you from posting entire articles (or unreasonably large segments thereof) in your post.

And common sense/courtesy indicates that you can't just copy and paste information without telling people where you got that information from.

So here are some simple steps to add more credibility and legitimacy to your point-proving information.





- Copy a paragraph or so from the article that best summarizes its focus.

- Put that paragraph in the quote wraps.

- Copy the URL of the page where you got the story.

- Put that URL above or below the quoted paragraph.

- Say something yourself. Even if it's something snide and witty.

You'll be able to share information, indicate where you got the information from, and leave a link for people to go check your source and read up further.

Well said, Huma.



Guyguy, The [quote] [/quote] provides a box of a different colour and size to the rest of the post.

The result should usually indicate the extent of the quoted portion.

As we are aware, manual alteration of the code may disturb the effect, but the User can usually tell where the quoted portion ends.

Either APA or MLA would be acceptable, each contains the requisite of an URL and the time and date are recorded on the post itself.

I do not believe that we need to go so far as to require that one include the Title and Name of the website, which is common to those styles.

A mention of the author's name, if available, would be good.

An in thread quote, such as the one above would not absolutely require a citation.

If it is from a different page, an URL to the page with the original comment, may be useful.

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[Huma]

Great idea. Would you prefer the MLA or APA style of citation?

Well it's not what I prefer, eh. This is just how I've done it and seen it done acceptably over the years. I still don't understand how people can feel comfortable just putting a quote from another website in their posts without even putting it in quote wraps, or without saying where they got the quote from. And sometimes without even adding any kind of context to the post defining their position, or how said quote is supposed to contribute to the discussion.

As for MLA vs APA...those don't even enter my equation personally. Once you post the URL, even if it's wrapped in text like this, and include the author's name in the quote if necessary, then it's good to go. Use MLA or APA if you're comfortable with it. That come like drinkin Buckley's casually for me, but your mileage may vary...

[sylvestter]

fantastic post, huma

[Falcon]

fantastic post, huma

Absolutely!

[vaio]

wow....useful information....

[sapodila]

I'll remember next time Huma!

[Solachica]

Thought everyone knew this :?

[Mr Majik]

All of the above notwithstanding, it is sufficient to simply give credit to the original author. This especially applies when one is quoting from a source which is not a website. I have seen too many occasions where a mod objects to a post because a non-Web source was quoted (including occasions where I've quoted from one of Toronto's Caribbean Community papers, which have no online edition). But credit rules apply equally whether the source is Web-based or not.

For instance, I may read an article on the Toronto Star newspaper's website. Subsequently, I may come across a thread on the forum in which I find that article to have a relevance. So I go back to the Star's site and can't find the article, but remember what it said.
In giving credit, it is legally sufficient for me to simply state that I am quoting from the Toronto Star. It is not necessary for me to provide the URL, from a legal standpoint.

Furthermore, if the story involved originated from one of the wire services (AP, CP, Reuters) I need not give any credit to the Star; rather, such credit should go to the relevant wire service.

All that being said, it is unlikely that the Toronto Star, or any other newspaper would take any copyright violation action unless they were to claim any monetary or reputation harm, or if the violator was deemed to be attempting to pass off the work as his/her own. Hence, if I were to quote a story and simply say I read it in one of my local papers, the chance of a copyright lawsuit would fall somewhere between slim and none.

[Angel]

However, some news/beneficial sites require that all information should remain at their page, and the only information that should be transferred to another site is a link to their article..

Hence it is always advised that one must read the FAQ's of a website first before transferring any information, and read it thoroughly so to avoid problems

[Double Trouble]

All of the above notwithstanding, it is sufficient to simply give credit to the original author. This especially applies when one is quoting from a source which is not a website. I have seen too many occasions where a mod objects to a post because a non-Web source was quoted (including occasions where I've quoted from one of Toronto's Caribbean Community papers, which have no online edition). But credit rules apply equally whether the source is Web-based or not.

For instance, I may read an article on the Toronto Star newspaper's website. Subsequently, I may come across a thread on the forum in which I find that article to have a relevance. So I go back to the Star's site and can't find the article, but remember what it said.
In giving credit, it is legally sufficient for me to simply state that I am quoting from the Toronto Star. It is not necessary for me to provide the URL, from a legal standpoint.

Furthermore, if the story involved originated from one of the wire services (AP, CP, Reuters) I need not give any credit to the Star; rather, such credit should go to the relevant wire service.

All that being said, it is unlikely that the Toronto Star, or any other newspaper would take any copyright violation action unless they were to claim any monetary or reputation harm, or if the violator was deemed to be attempting to pass off the work as his/her own. Hence, if I were to quote a story and simply say I read it in one of my local papers, the chance of a copyright lawsuit would fall somewhere between slim and none.

Majik,

How come yuh doh know about the online version of Caribbean Camera? Look man http://www.ccn365.com/

[Mr Majik]

[quote=Double Trouble][quote="Mr Majik":1ai3vb7h][color=#800080]All of the above notwithstanding, it is sufficient to simply give credit to the original author. This especially applies when one is quoting from a source which is not a website. I have seen too many occasions where a mod objects to a post because a non-Web source was quoted (including occasions where I've quoted from one of Toronto's Caribbean Community papers, which have no online edition). But credit rules apply equally whether the source is Web-based or not.

For instance, I may read an article on the Toronto Star newspaper's website. Subsequently, I may come across a thread on the forum in which I find that article to have a relevance. So I go back to the Star's site and can't find the article, but remember what it said.
In giving credit, it is [i][b]legally[/b][/i] sufficient for me to simply state that I am quoting from the Toronto Star. It is not necessary for me to provide the URL, from a legal standpoint.

Furthermore, if the story involved originated from one of the wire services (AP, CP, Reuters) I need not give any credit to the Star; rather, such credit should go to the relevant wire service.

All that being said, it is unlikely that the Toronto Star, or any other newspaper would take any copyright violation action unless they were to claim any monetary or reputation harm, or if the violator was deemed to be attempting to pass off the work as his/her own. Hence, if I were to quote a story and simply say I read it in one of my local papers, the chance of a copyright lawsuit would fall somewhere between slim and none.
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Majik,

How come yuh doh know about the online version of Caribbean Camera? Look man [url="http://www.ccn365.com/"]http://www.ccn365.com/[/url][/quote:1ai3vb7h]
Actually, I am aware of Camera's website. At the time I posted here I was referring to Share and Pride, neither of which had websites. Share has just announced the return of their website, although i was never aware they had one before.
Regardless, there are a multitude of small communtiy papers around the world that are not online. This information helps those who may live and read where one of these papers publish.

[Falcon]

There is important information on this thread which ALL users need to note since it appears that our adherence to copyright guidelines is slipping.

Posts will be removed without warning if they run afoul of any acceptable use policy.

[Wayne]

Intellection is rampant.....ensure that a statement or assertion of verified information about something,that is the case or has happened.

[UKBA]

Great idea. Would you prefer the MLA or APA style of citation? Only problem in your example of the block text quotation, there is an opening quotation mark but no closing quotation mark. How then do I know that the quotation is complete?

They are contradicting each other because they don't really know whether they want paper sauce or tomato sauce. Once material is in the public domain you are entitle to use it, as long as you don't pass it off as your own or benefit financially. I never seen that happened here. This is a discussion forum after all.

[BW]

They are contradicting each other because they don't really know whether they want paper sauce or tomato sauce. Once material is in the public domain you are entitle to use it, as long as you don't pass it off as your own or benefit financially. I never seen that happened here. This is a discussion forum after all.

if it is public doman, you do not have to quote or cite where you got it from. You are absolutely 100% entitled to profit from, reuse, modify or anything else, with works in the public domain. It belongs to everyone, you included, and you are free to do anything you want with it.

It is a sad state of affairs when "public domain" no longer means "public domain".

[Falcon]

Associated Press sues retailers over iconic Obama image

Fairey's work (r) now hangs in the National Portrait Gallery in Washington
The Associated Press has sued several retailers including Urban Outfitters for the unauthorised use of the Hope image created by artist Shepard Fairey.
Artist Fairey used an AP photo without permission to create the image, and was sued by the news agency for violating copyright. That case was settled.
AP argues that using the image on T-shirts is wilful and blatant violation of the copyright of the photo.
A spokesman said that using photos for free devalued the work of journalists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12720159

Not sure it's that simple BW.

For the record, we at TTOnline insist that all copied information contain a reasonable acknowledgement of the original source.

[BW]

A spokesman said that using photos for free devalued the work of journalists.

What crock. Information wants to be free. That AP photo would have been forgotten long, long ago if it wasn't for the derivative work of Fairey. The 'unauthorized use' is what made the property valuable, despite what the "journalist" may think.

For the record, any pictures I personally snap and put up here, I am releasing as public domain. Feel free to copy, paste, print, modify, profit from, whatever, to your heart's content. I do not need nor want attribution.

[Solachica]

Ok bw ah wud see if I can sell any of your pics.

[vernon9800]

wow....useful information....

[Poser]

There is important information on this thread which ALL users need to note since it appears that our adherence to copyright guidelines is slipping.

Posts will be removed without warning if they run afoul of any acceptable use policy.

very useful information .. thanks..

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