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      I was in town yesterday on the way back from work, and boy serious amounts of people with a Carib or Stag in they hand.

      I thought Lee Sing ent want no bottles in carnival?
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      Default Re: no bottles in carnival

      Nothing wrong with trying to discourage use of bottles in Carnival but as with seat belt laws, it crosses a line to try to criminalise it.
      On Sept 11th 2001 in the afternoon, World Trade Center Tower 7 was brought down by CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. Who did it? When did they place the charges?
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      Default Re: no bottles in carnival

      That "BAND" is for carnival monday & tuesday. I bought ah solo apple J yesterday.



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      Default Re: no bottles in carnival

      I thought it was no glass bottles?

      Glass bottles can easily cause injury to others and is therefore relatively easy to justify outlawing it from the Carnival proceedings.

      The idea just came up too little too late for all stakeholders to support it and make alternative arrangements.
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      Default Re: no bottles in carnival

      Quote Originally Posted by Sirius View Post
      I thought it was no glass bottles?

      Glass bottles can easily cause injury to others and is therefore relatively easy to justify outlawing it from the Carnival proceedings.

      The idea just came up too little too late for all stakeholders to support it and make alternative arrangements.
      YES.
      That's how it would be done; by encourageing the producers and distribution network to use alternatives.
      On Sept 11th 2001 in the afternoon, World Trade Center Tower 7 was brought down by CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. Who did it? When did they place the charges?
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      Default Re: no bottles in carnival

      Here is a good opportunity for the local business to throw some marketing money behind this idea.

      .... They should seize the opportunity to promote their products/business on the face of disposable or reusable cups'. I know it is done on a limited scale....dey should just expand the effort.

      ..... just like how Kami was givin away bags wid she face on it
      ... Dem could supply the 'drinking establishments' with cups.... free.... or at a negligible price....mind you...dey better be ..... recyclable



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      ah think people forget the part where the Mayor made representation to the Minister of Local Government and he was ignored and the Minister tell him that the companies have to sell their products. The Minster's intervention was required for a request to be made for the proposal to be included in the carnival proclamation by the president--as it stands is anybody's guess what has actually happened.
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      Quote Originally Posted by shield_2006 View Post
      ah think people forget the part where the Mayor made representation to the Minister of Local Government and he was ignored and the Minister tell him that the companies have to sell their products. The Minster's intervention was required for a request to be made for the proposal to be included in the carnival proclamation by the president--as it stands is anybody's guess what has actually happened.

      Then the 'Minister' is very .... short sighted...because he would also have been creating 'jobs' for people.....No?

      somebody have tuh make dem cups... somebody have tuh distrubute dem cups....somebody have tuh make sure de Revellers usin dem cups.... some body have tuh clean up dem cups after de event....den sell dem back tuh de 'recycling company'.

      tell meh nah....when dem people go see.....de bigger picture?
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      Default Re: no bottles in carnival

      Maybe this year is the birth if the idea and by next year we could be on line. Just looking on the bright side.

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      You know Sly1..... every time I see an article in a Trini news paper or on the news..... I always seem to notice an ....'opportunity knocking'.... I don't know how people don't jump on these opportunities ....... immediately.....Or better still, not wait for someone to point it out to them..... see it for themselves.

      I think if I ever lived in T&T.... the one thing that would frustrate the hell out of me... 'the pace at which things are done'.


      The other thing they mentioned (it was either last year or the year before) was about not having 'porta-potties' on trucks following the bands.

      .... Has some private entrepreneur jumped at the opportunity yet.... to set up these banks of portable toilets (more than were presently done)....along the different parade routes....and offered their services to the different cities? ....or are they waiting on ..... the government to do it?
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      Snowbird the glass bottles issue is a different situation to portable toilets. An entrepreneur can't get rid of glass bottles; only legislation can. Now while local government discussed ridding glass bottles from Carnival, they did not approach central government until recently and that in itself is the foul-up. It would have been silly for the government to outlaw it at the 11th hour when preparations were taking place all along with the existing legislation that permits glass bottles.

      Perhaps with a full year to the next celebration, appropriate legislation can be put forth and all the kinks worked out. The various suppliers, aware well in advance, can then make alternate arrangements. Meetings are senseless unless the lawmakers are brought into the equation at the appropriate time.
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      Just like the porta potties..... that too was an 11th hour decision when it was first announced.... if memory serves me correctly...the bandleaders were able to 'balk' at that government request stating that they had already 'sold inclusive pacages that included wee-wee trucks.... so here they are a year or two later.... have they ....complied? ..... I'm betting ....No..... becasue no one held their feet to the fire on compliance.

      Likewise, I remember T&T passing some child 'car seat law' after a very terrible accident where a young child was thrown from a car and killed..... at the time remember thinking....this would be a great opportunity for someone to start 'importing' car seats as everyone with children will need them. How is that 'enforcement goint'?
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      Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
      Just like the porta potties..... that too was an 11th hour decision when it was first announced.... if memory serves me correctly...the bandleaders were able to 'balk' at that government request stating that they had already 'sold inclusive pacages that included wee-wee trucks.... so here they are a year or two later.... have they ....complied? ..... I'm betting ....No..... becasue no one held their feet to the fire on compliance.

      Likewise, I remember T&T passing some child 'car seat law' after a very terrible accident where a young child was thrown from a car and killed..... at the time remember thinking....this would be a great opportunity for someone to start 'importing' car seats as everyone with children will need them. How is that 'enforcement goint'?
      Well now you speak of enforcement rather than the law itself. Making something law requires some notification to ensure people can comply appropriately. For example with car seats, the idea could not pop into someone's head today and then begin charging tomorrow: people need a chance to obtain the car seats. Similarly with the bottles, you need sufficient notice for alternate arrangements to take place. Once the legislation exists however, it should be enforced.

      Enforcement has never been our strong point.

      Note this: If the bottles had been outlawed at the 11th hour, the same parties making a fuss over allowing them today would have been complaining about governance by vapse. There is no pleasing some.
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      amazing we could be having a debate about such a straight forward thing--the casualty today--as usual--will be filled with bottle wounds from drunken fools---and I have seen where there are no bottles in the New Orleans parade--it is such a simple matter yet we have all this twists and turns.
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      Maybe that's because there is more to it than just bawling for no bottles.

      Vendors and suppliers need notice.
      Supplies need to be ordered.
      Recycling arrangements have to be made.
      Exceptions have to be acknowledged.
      Zones have to be established.

      It's not a light switch you flip on and off.
      New Orleans would have had to go through the same process.
      Local government discussed the issue but waited for the 11th hour to bring it to central government.
      No businessman is going to go through extra expense when its just talk without mandate.
      That was foolish. Maybe arrangements can be made in a more timely manner for next year.
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      The thing is though Sirius..... it seems like because this is a Carnival related request.... the issue probably won't be 'revisited' again until next carnival..... in the 11th hour again
      .... The people who make these proposals seem to have an inability to stay focused long enoug to see the idea through to ...fruition.... there is the 'two attention span' that seems to kill most good ideas in T&T.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sirius View Post
      Maybe that's because there is more to it than just bawling for no bottles.

      Vendors and suppliers need notice.
      Supplies need to be ordered.
      Recycling arrangements have to be made.
      Exceptions have to be acknowledged.
      Zones have to be established.

      It's not a light switch you flip on and off.
      New Orleans would have had to go through the same process.
      Local government discussed the issue but waited for the 11th hour to bring it to central government.
      No businessman is going to go through extra expense when its just talk without mandate.
      That was foolish. Maybe arrangements can be made in a more timely manner for next year.

      typical Trini style---we cud find all kinda issues and problems to move forward--one seta analysis and adjustments to accommodate all manner of interests except the public welfare and we end up doing nothing---normel normel
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      Quote Originally Posted by shield_2006 View Post
      typical Trini style---we cud find all kinda issues and problems to move forward--one seta analysis and adjustments to accommodate all manner of interests except the public welfare and we end up doing nothing---normel normel
      No, you're talking typical Trini style - do things on a whim without proper consideration. I want to see things done properly, so that everyone gets to benefit and the idea can last into the future, not be seen as an abysmal failure the next year, never to be seen again.

      This does not mean take long, but it does mean that you DO have to do your appropriate analysis. You DO have to make adjustments. You DO have to accommodate all the interests. That is the difference between doing something, and doing something properly.

      I don't do things like a typical Trini, and to be honest given our bacchanal loving, shortcut taking mentality, that is something I am proud of.
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      ole fowl this is for you,yr nable string jumping


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      well den dey might start goin retro and movin wid ice pick like back in de day

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      So yuh cyar have glass bottles in yuh cooler?.............or is no glass bottles "in yuh hand"?
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      ah think people forget the part where the Mayor made representation to the Minister of Local Government and he was ignored and the Minister tell him that the companies have to sell their products. The Minster's intervention was required for a request to be made for the proposal to be included in the carnival proclamation by the president--as it stands is anybody's guess what has actually happened.
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      tanks sacks....buh anodder forumite done hook meh up wid some streams.....ah on de net since Dimarche Gras start....ting movin nice in Trini man....


      Ah shout out tuh dat forumite who keeping all ah we in foreign in de loop wid yuh technical skills

      ..... YUH IS DE BESTES 'POINT MAN' ON DE PLANET.... while yuh pardners and dem ...jumpin and winin...and drinking dong dey place dong dey.... you monitoring feeds fer we 'carnival starved peeps up here'

      Good on yuh pardner

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      I dedicate this video to Louis Leesing..... hope you get your wish for next carnival.....

      http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...DC&FORM=VIRE1#



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      http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...E2&FORM=VIRE5#
      "Yuh kar want fer dem..... wat dey doh want fer deyself"

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