BEach goers being robbed! BEware!

[trinisuckz]

This taken from a ttma news letter:

About 20 bathers at Las Cuevas beach were terrorised and robbed by three men armed with cutlasses, a gun and two dogs on Sunday afternoon. Carl Hernandez, one of the lifeguards who was on duty Sunday, said a couple who were bathing in the sea ran to his post and alerted him that there were three slim, dark men who were robbing people on the beach. By the time the police got to Las Cuevas, Hernandez said, about 20 people had been robbed of their jewelry, money and cell phones.

YUP - way to go pnm!

[Scorpio]

YUP - way to go pnm!

Way to spoil a perfectly good post with five words, TS.

[JPersad]

We need to all look at ourselves and ask what we are doing as individuals to help reduce crime .It is not only the responsibility of the government and law enforcement to ensure a that crime is kept at a minimum .That responsibility also falls on the citizenry .
I observed that a majority of Trinis like to wallow in "Victim Status ."Moreso my fellow indo trinis.
In discussions with them, they are more concerned about the welfare of themselves and their children.Outside of that , they don't care or are just too afraid .It is for that reason why crime continues to plague the nation .
We need to put personal politics and negative culture aside ( victim status )and formulate plans to make our homes and village safe again , instead of living inside luxurious jails .
Until we come together to reclaim our neighborhood and demand more from law enforcement and the government , crime will continue to strive .

[kemist]

hmmm from now on when i go to the beach i carrying meh pitbull.

[deathwinger]

Dude, even if you demand it, Massa Manning not gonna take you on. And that is the simple conclusion of it.

It is time to take action for yourselves. No more dependency on the government. Take these criminals out on your own terms and not let them walk free because they didn't get a glass of water whilst in custody.

[trinisuckz]

becareful deathwinger- ive been bashed here for wanting to take the law into my own hands...... but we who live here have No choice soon, if the law does not protect us and the govt turns a blind eye and is off joyriding around the globe at our expense, there will be no other alternative!

[JPersad]

A man is born with the eternal right to protect himself , family ,friend and property .
Moreso , it is better to be judged by 12 , than carried by 6 .

[Scorpio]

becareful deathwinger- ive been bashed here for wanting to take the law into my own hands......


You were bashed for wanting to boil people in oil & shoot dem in dey back. But you really shouldn't complain about "bashing" since you literally bashed a man with a concrete filled pipe almost to death. :x

[deathwinger]

I just think that robbers and killers would think twice if they knew their targets and victims would fight back.

I really believe that those profiting from crime (criminal and administration) are riding on the docility of those who they attack. They need to know that they are risking their lives robbing the citizen. If it continues to be easy pickings, then honestly, I see no reason why they should stop.

At the end of it all, as much as a robber wants you to believe he does not value his life, he will break down and CRY if he knew his last moments were about to come.

[dancerboy]

I strongly advocate that every law abiding "UPSTANDING" citizen be given a permit to carry a gun. The criminals aleady have guns,it's the law-abiding citizens who are sitting ducks for these low-lifes. If i were living in TRINIDAD I would have been carrying a gun permit or not. I AM SURE IT WILL BE BETTER TO BE CAUGHT BY THE POLICE CARRYING A GUN, THAN TO BE CAUGHT BY A BANDIT NOT HAVING ONE. AT LEAST YOU MIGHT LIVE TO TESTIFY IN COURT. DANCERBOY

[Solachica]

Having a gun wud make you feel protected or having an edge over a bandit? I think a lot of people get a false sense of security with having a gun.

[trinisuckz]

deathwinger- best defence is a quick unexpected one!
if youre attacked with a knife toting bandit as fast as he pulls out the knife lash it aside and shove the top of your THUMB as hard as you can directly into that soft unprotected part of his windpipe!

Trust me- he will either be winded or you will cause his windpipe to collapse! better if his windpipe collapses- you can go about your business andif he doesnt get medical attention in about 1 hr he will most likely die!

Either way doesnt matter as bandits lives are not considered important to me.

There are 10 DEATH blows- look them up , study them and use them as your first defence against criminals

[Scorpio]

If you or your family are attacked by a bandit, you have all right to protect yourself by any means necessary, even if you happen to have an unlicensed gun (the bandit's gun will certainly be unlicensed as well). I also agree that it would help the crime situation if people started fighting back.

I draw the line, however, at comments like these :


you can go about your business andif he doesnt get medical attention in about 1 hr he will most likely die!


bandits lives are not considered important to me

FYI, bandits don't consider their victims' lives to be important either..and they will happliy leave their victims for dead.

When a human life means nothing to you, it no longer matters whether you are a bandit or not, you're still a sick dude.

[Ali]

^ I have ZERO sympathy for bandits.......i've seen too many people i know fall victim.........NO sympathy!!

[JPersad]

Having a gun wud make you feel protected or having an edge over a bandit? I think a lot of people get a false sense of security with having a gun.
Having a gun and knowing how to use it are 2 different thinks .
I have seen a lot of firearm holders in Trinidad gallerying with their guns , when they should have been doing the exact opposite .The less people now the better
Also many of these holders have not been properly instructed on the safe use of their firearms .
Confronted with a bandit , I would much prefer have my firearm than not .
I can make a judgement call and decide whether to hand over my belongings or if I feel my life or that of an innocent person is in danger than I will take my chance with mu firearm .

[Mivo]

I heard the bandit was caught, not so?

[dancerboy]

SOLACHICA' having a gun, literally gives you a fighting chance. The bandit and dem killing u any way, gun or no gun. Ah go take meh chances wid meh gun. DAANCERBOY

[trinisuckz]

^ I have ZERO sympathy for bandits.......i've seen too many people i know fall victim.........NO sympathy!!

AMEN- the end result is the LESS bandits in Trinidad the BETTER!

[Sirius]

When we cease to have respect for another life no matter how lowly or undeserving that soul, we become no better than the criminal. Just some food for thought.

[Scorpio]

^^Well said, Sirius.

[Solachica]

I've been around guns all my life. Having them around does not give me the added edge of feeling and having security.

[trinisuckz]

When we cease to have respect for another life no matter how lowly or undeserving that soul, we become no better than the criminal. Just some food for thought.

i respect those who respect me- But when you come to take my life, rob me beat me or threaten my family that respect is lost and i will do all in my power to stop you!

we all feel differently about things and we all have different ethics , i respect that!

[Sirius]

I suppose what I'm saying is if you are truly in self defense and accidentally take the other's life, then you cannot really be held responsible - you were defending your own life against an attacker. However, there is a fine line that can be crossed that changes everything. If you aim for a known lethal spot; if you aim to kill, and you kill the other...then you have become a murderer. It is no longer self defense when you do something with the intent that it can kill the person.

Defend yourself. Disable the criminal. Since you know they not going to turn tail and run when you fight back, go ahead and hurt them so they can't do anything to you. But when you aim to kill, is a next story entirely. That is why even when you get a licensed firearm, you are supposed to be trained in aiming for and hitting non-lethal spots. The licensed firearm is meant to disable, not to kill.

[deathwinger]

In that case too, it acts as a deterrent to the criminal if he knows he will get his ass kicked or disabled and then caught. Crime will therefore not pay.

But people have to be given the ability to do these things, do not shut them down at every angle when they want to protect themselves.

[Sirius]

In that case too, it acts as a deterrent to the criminal if he knows he will get his ass kicked or disabled and then caught. Crime will therefore not pay.

But people have to be given the ability to do these things, do not shut them down at every angle when they want to protect themselves.

I agree. I think people should have the right to hold a licensed firearm - however, there have to be some very strict controls including background checks and character profiling, training in appropriate use of the firearm and so forth. Not everyone has the discipline required to hold a firearm and not shoot to kill when other options are available.

[Solachica]

:roll: It's up to the COP to do gun licence approvals.
and am sure most people have heard wht takes place with tht and how files disappear or appear to top of pile :roll:

[kemist]

" do not pull out a weapon unless you intend to use it"
Those were the wise words of Professor Quddus, a local expert in martial arts and a man whom i have the utmost respect for. The intent to use the weapon also encompasses the ABILITY to use it, physically and psychologically.

Physically you are able to use a weapon when it becomes as easy as using your hands, because in the martial arts world, a weapon is only an extension of your hand.

Psychologically you are able to use the weapon when 1) you know you wouldnt 'freeze up' when it really counts ( and trust me i've seen a lot of big talkers freeze )
2) you can control both anger and fear - if you cant then your weapon would only serve to work AGAINST you.

Bare-handed death strikes (are also weapons which) takes a lot of time and practise to master. If not mastered properly, you will be depending on something that will not work when the time comes.They are indeed a last resort, at a time when you know for sure your attacker(s) has the intent to kill you or a loved one.

The unwritten code of ethics when using a weapon, especially a gun, involves
1) when under threat, you show your weapon. If the attacker isnt deterred then
2)pull out your weapon, if still not deterred then
3)take aim and be prepared to DISABLE, not kill.

the word weapon itself implys offence, when we should be really thinking about self-DEFENCE. That is why a gun is not usually referred to as a weapon but instead as a firearm by police trainers.

[JPersad]

You shoot to stop .Not to kill .
Basic principle of US Law Enforcement recruits .

[peanut]

You shoot to stop .Not to kill .
Basic principle of US Law Enforcement recruits .

You left out something there JP, you shoot to stop if no life is in imminent danger .. if there are lives endangered, you shoot to kill. Now, you can shoot to kill IF you have PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE a life is in danger.

[trinisuckz]

ok- so now they have started ROBBING people at MAracas during the Daytime during the week!
So Soon Trinidadians will not be abel to enjoy any beaches.

Yes amongst all of this commotion Our PM , the Minister of national insecurity and the topcop sipping Cocacola and resting comfortably!

:roll:

[Solachica]

:? where u see abt maracas?

[trinisuckz]

newspapers are your friends! :lol: