HOW many more innocent must die before?

[trinisuckz]

Im so damn angry with this govt right now!

Every day for the past 2 weeks has been either a bloody one or one in which some innocent person gets robbed and beaten!
How may More innocent hard working people in the population MUST pay with their lives before Mr MArtin Joesph takes SOME measure of action?
Currently hes being very quiet- nothing new, as this was his initial approach within his first term in that position!

What will it take for this govt and police comissioner to wake up and TAKE action, lock down certain areas, call a state of emergency ?

WHo must die for it to become a critical suitation? Your family, it could be your brother, sister, Mother, Father or child NEXT! and what will we do about it then?

We need to DEMAND that our police force and Govt take action NOW

RESIGN Mr MArtin Joseph as you obviously do not have the necessary Education to deal with this suitation!

[Scorpio]

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[vaio]

i don't know who is the bigger fool the Pm or Martin Joseph......

[Harry Williamn]

trinisuck:
You seem to have a great question to ask and you have asked it . You have asked ," How many more innocent must die before ?"
Great question but there is one slight ,tiny ,little problem which is:
Why are you asking us and the Goverment ?
Why don't you go out there and ask the criminals because they are the ones doing the killing and murders not the Government and not any of us here that we know of so please,get out there quickly and ask the criminals and then give the information to Mr.Martin Joseph and I can assure you the Minister will immediately put the police on it ASAP and no one will die but the Criminals will be arrested?
hardly because they cannot be arrested unless they have committed a crime!
So please,wake up and smell the real world or are you one of them who are over there and not here ? Just asking!

[Solachica]

You ever noticed when a bandit dies or a bad boy on the block dies no one ever have anything bad to say abt them? It's always he was a good boy you know, just followed the wrong people and some people even defend them and say things was hard and he had to get a dollar etc

[vaio]

something has to be done abt the murders and it doesn't look like Martin Joseph is doing anything about it..

[trinisuckz]

Harry- LOCAL man!

Let me ask you something as you seem intent on defending this stupid govt!

If your pm made a BOLD statement like-" We know who mr BIG is"- so what exactly are they waiting on?
Everyone knows that there are many underground criminals and they culminate in certain areas of this country- so whats the problem?
Currently our govt is NOT concerned about crime!- how many murders in the past 2 weeks- has M. Joseph addressed the nation?- first off- can he speak without being told what to say!

:roll:

[deathwinger]

Well, why are you complaining? What's the problem? It's been like this for the last 6 years. The government has not changed, so it must mean that the majority of people did not see anything wrong. So why do you?

[trinisuckz]

Well, why are you complaining? What's the problem? It's been like this for the last 6 years. The government has not changed, so it must mean that the majority of people did not see anything wrong. So why do you?

UM- look at the figures again from the polls!
OVERALL the people of this country DID not want the pnm!

I hope that YOU are not one of those when someone close to you gets killed will cry for justice! :geek:

[deathwinger]

Of course I will cry. I did my duty and voted. Of course, so did people in the marginals, but they did it wrong. very wrong.

[brag]

Stop building voter padding homes, and build bigger jails sectioned off according to the kinds of crime committed. Stop creating more criminals by putting all criminals in the same jails. Keep them in different buildings according to their crimes, with no family visits during the first year, so they can understand the importance of family relations, and only once a month visit later, based on their cooperation in jail.

Feed them well, and make them strong, but work them 12 hrs a day in ankle and wrist chains with electronic tracking monitors. Hard work never kills anyone, and it can be good for rehabilitation/transformation. Put them to work on the abandoned plantations that can be seen all over T&T.

Use Saturdays and Sundays to provide them with full training and learning via recreation in studies, trade, workshops, meditation, yoga, religious studies, etc.

[KFCSpicy]

Innocent? Who are these innocents? Like all yuh know something de ress ah we not privy too? Like the fact that all these Innocents led supremely clean lives without a black mark against their names?

Steupse!

That said and done...is like crime only start during pnm reign and when unc came along there was none. Sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. People really intent at grasping at straws dread, I Agree that if there is a person emplyed by the government to find solutions to the crime situations tha they shud be in the media addressing the country at least twice a week about what they doing and how they intend on doing it. But as I will always say...crime is something that cannot be eradicated, teach all yuh mini animals some basic behaviours, send them to mosques, church and de baptist pilgrimage but do something with them from now so that when they grow up knowing right from wrong and ethical from unethical they have the proper tools in which to choose their paths into adult hood. Doh grow dem up and lay blame at the door step of strangers for yuh mini animal rat finks start de training and de education. Doh teef, Doh lie, stop watchign what others have , do without if u cyah get, doh do this ....and this is what a person of morals would do...lil things like dat nah. Show them that earning their own money is the most satisfying thing out not teefing it from others. Show them how to respect each other and life in general and it will go on from there.

My parents always drummed into our heads that earnign your own money after a hard days work is the most satisfying thing in the world and we understood that and took it and ran with it. I am independant of country and people financially and I am happy for that training inadvertantly given to me by my Belmont born parents.

DOh blame others look closer to home for crime and the causes of it. :evil:

Sigh! blame everybody but yourselves. tire-effing-some to say de least. :roll:

[deathwinger]

Innocent? Who are these innocents? Like all yuh know something de ress ah we not privy too? Like the fact that all these Innocents led supremely clean lives without a black mark against their names?

Steupse!

That said and done...is like crime only start during pnm reign and when unc came along there was none. Sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. People really intent at grasping at straws dread, I Agree that if there is a person emplyed by the government to find solutions to the crime situations tha they shud be in the media addressing the country at least twice a week about what they doing and how they intend on doing it. But as I will always say...crime is something that cannot be eradicated, teach all yuh mini animals some basic behaviours, send them to mosques, church and de baptist pilgrimage but do something with them from now so that when they grow up knowing right from wrong and ethical from unethical they have the proper tools in which to choose their paths into adult hood. Doh grow dem up and lay blame at the door step of strangers for yuh mini animal rat finks start de training and de education. Doh teef, Doh lie, stop watchign what others have , do without if u cyah get, doh do this ....and this is what a person of morals would do...lil things like dat nah. Show them that earning their own money is the most satisfying thing out not teefing it from others. Show them how to respect each other and life in general and it will go on from there.

My parents always drummed into our heads that earnign your own money after a hard days work is the most satisfying thing in the world and we understood that and took it and ran with it. I am independant of country and people financially and I am happy for that training inadvertantly given to me by my Belmont born parents.

DOh blame others look closer to home for crime and the causes of it. :evil:

Sigh! blame everybody but yourselves. tire-effing-some to say de least. :roll:

And i must say all this to my robber? Or am I allowed to cap his arse?

[KFCSpicy]

u do u hun...i really not interested in what you choose to do to solve your problems but a murderer is a murderer in my book i doh care if u have divine reasons or is jess cause u have a god complex. do u but doh ask no one to understand after when yuh in jail or get retribution from all sorts for your choice of solutions.

[Harry Williamn]

trinisuckz

The name you chose actually depicts your Character and motives.
I am placing bets at a 1000 to 1 that you are one ah dem. "one ah DEM" =disturbed ecoli and mad.
They are like the ecoli a long stringy thing which when it is let out of its natural habitat it causes problems!
Next they are the ones which was allowed into the bowels of the three stooges " Yankeeism,Canadianism and Britainism" and they feel somehow that they have a duty and a mission to keep on low rating Trinidad and Tobago....hear the " DEM"." How many more must die....Trinidad is falling to pieces....de country go blow up any minute....it is sheer hell for we ....etc" all that doltish talk and rotten manure which issues from their mouths is not their fault people...it is because they are " DEM"...they need to be placed back into their natural habitat or else they will keep on expressing their madness daily and no matter how we hold we nose and bun incense their stench just keep on coming through the windows of our country!
They take crime reports and blow it up but only when the party which they want in power is out of office and trust me Mr. Panday and the now defunct COP love living here and they live nice and some of them getting fat and need some exercise...look at they pot belly and paunches!
So de ting way beating my tail is this: If it so bad here why are they caring ? Dey doh live here why they eh writing about the crime in the places where they live like the mad people who for no reason just killing a set ah people ?
Do we have crime here ? Yes sir we do. What are we doing about it ? Head out to the jail or visit the various court houses every court day and look and see what we doing about it. Will we win the war on crime ? You darn right we will .WHY ? because people like me and you who love our country will not ever hamper nor discourage the Government and the Police and the Judiciary and the Defence force from their efforts to do the best which they can within the confines of the Law to Combat crime.
We are more than the criminals.We outnumber them by thousands to one in any given scenario.The Business Community hates criminals. School Children hate criminals.The Public hate them and every Decent Person in this Country hates them hence they cannot ever prevail.For a while the wicked seems to prevail but in the end they will all be cut down and placed where they belong and that I shall assure you shall happen sooner than you think because we love our country and we are not going to surrender to crime and criminals and the doltish predictions and fear mongering of the"DEM".
I walk without fear and I live without fear because I am a TNT Republican.
So if you think "trinisuckz" that my country sucks as your Yankee term which is embeded within your forum name I can assure you that you have the right
( we are a nation which jealously guards the rights of the people) to think whatever you wish and we have the right to live here in relative peace and security and most of us do and whatever you keep on yapping your doltish head about will be your madness not ours. Oh,by the way,St Ann's still accepting patients you know.

[serenity]

How many more must die before the govt comes up with a policy on dealing with crime and the criminal justice system? Or police officers are properly trained and outfitted and there are enough police stations? Or the Forensic Centre updated and expanded and the DNA legislation implemented? Or there is a thorough investigation into the corruption within the police service? Or more resources funnelled into the justice system to hire more staff and magistrates and state attorneys to deal with the case backlog in Magistrates' courts? Or there is further training and consultation to ensure that there is a better detection rate?

To ask how many more must die before we see the govt taking definative action is not an unfair or foolish question. Yes, we each have our part to play but there is a Minister of National Security for a reason. He takes up that responsibility, and is accountable for the crap that's happenning under his watch. Same thing with the police force. If a relative of mine is robbed and killed, I dont want to know that it is for us to blame as a society! Or that none among us are truly innocent. I want to know that the police are well-equipped to find the SOB and I want to know that the Justice system is not so overburdened that justice is delayed or denied.

Its not a matter of passing blame, its a matter of certain institutions and their heads are accountable to the ppl of this country for efforts being made/or not made to address the worrying crime situation in the country.

Trinisuckz, I understand your frustration.

[cool3ni]

Im so damn angry with this govt right now!

Every day for the past 2 weeks has been either a bloody one or one in which some innocent person gets robbed and beaten!
How may More innocent hard working people in the population MUST pay with their lives before Mr MArtin Joesph takes SOME measure of action?
Currently hes being very quiet- nothing new, as this was his initial approach within his first term in that position!

What will it take for this govt and police comissioner to wake up and TAKE action, lock down certain areas, call a state of emergency ?

WHo must die for it to become a critical suitation? Your family, it could be your brother, sister, Mother, Father or child NEXT! and what will we do about it then?

We need to DEMAND that our police force and Govt take action NOW

RESIGN Mr MArtin Joseph as you obviously do not have the necessary Education to deal with this suitation!
Its easy to blame those responsible for the daily operations and running of the country,but if you were in the hot spot to be blame would you take the heat or just shy away from it,if you're fed up and feel so strongly about it,don't do what some trinis do an go around blaming tom,dick and harry,present solutions to help solve the country's ills,if you can't provide solutions then you're being an outright hypocrite because think about it,you don't have solutions so if you were in the same place,we would be back to square one with someone blaming you!

[Harry Williamn]

Today two most wanted persons were fatally struck by police bullets.The Police alleged that they attmpted to arrest those persons and they resisted arrest and opened gunfire upon the Police Officers and the Officers returned fire fatally wounding two of the most wanted persons and two Policers Officers were struck by Gunfire.One was shot in the face and the other grazed on his back.
In my post today, well before this incident, I asserted that some of you keep low rating and berating these very Police Officers and their Commanding Officersas they are placing their very lives on the line every single time they go on duty fighting a war against criminals who are well armed and well financed and well protected ( these men had Bullet Proof Vest) and well educated and these fine Police Officers are doing the best which they could based on what they are equipped with and their knowledged.
Some of you chose to berate them and harass them but the vast majority of decent and upright and law abiding and Patrotic TNT Citizens and Legal Residents and myself and each and every Member of Parliament chose to fully support and encourage the Police officers ,Prison Officers,Defence Force ,and Mr.Martin Joseph in every effort which they make ,and shall make ,to win this war on crime.
Please,as you run your mouth look at the records of these most wanted persons and look at the bullet ridden police vehilce and then put yourself in the polcie Officers shoes and then run your mouth.
Notice I said " alleged" because after the inquest we shall know how the Coroner rules because we are a nation of Laws and Police Officers are expected to uphold the Law and obey the law as they prosecute the War of Crime.
Well done Officers.Keep up the pressure and stay safe.

[kemist]

cool3ni,
I agree, we should be proposing solutions, whether they fall on deaf ears or not.

Only the criminals are to blame for crime. But society, for its own sake, must put measures in place to minimize crime, and that is where people think the government has failed us and thus blame is focused on them. And we are not randomly blaming tom , dick and harry, we are specifically blaming the PM and the minister of national security. I dont think they are ignorant towards crime as some people do. Whatever their plan of action is, it has failed and is still failing. Continuing to follow such a plan or policy is indicative of either insanity or plain incompetence or perhaps both.

your argument for 'doh blame unless you have the solution' is a weak one. You wouldnt expect an accountant to do the work of a doctor (and vice versa). But an accountant can recognize a quack and the citizens of this country can recognize success or failure of those responsible for running the country

[KFCSpicy]

sighhhhhhhhhhhh at he utter extremes here.

[serenity]

Harry William,
Nobody eh saying there arent good cops out there who make the effort and take their responsibilities seriously. But its those same good cops who suffer bec their higher-ups dont seek their interests in ensuring they have a proper police station to work from or that they have a package that is in keeping with the risks they run. Or that investigations are done and cops found corrupt dealt with severely. Its the good ones that get the raw deal and feel the brunt of it. And its time that those who have the authority to take the initiative to correct that. It's all part of the 'war against crime'.

[gaia]

No one is born a crimminal. Society creates crimminals. Check into the childhood of crimminals,Abuse,abandonment, broken homes,druks, alcoholic,abusive fathers/males, dysfunctional families.What do you think happens to children who are not brought up believing in themselves, their ability? Are teachers equipped to tell when childrens learning problems stems from the home environment or do they call them duncy and ignore them. Are their safegaurds at schools to help these children? Are they teased and mugged by other children? Are they thought values at home or are their parents themselves dishonest? What jobs are offfered to these kids as teenagers? Jobs with dignity creating self respect. Skills? We can build all the prisoners we wish, employ all the police and buy all the blimps we wish to, but we will not solve the problem. What is done about the youths on drugs? The pushers? Apparently nothing, otherwise it would not be so rampant. This topic can go further touch all the idle men hanging around bars, nightclubs, gaming dens. Cepep is not the answer, empowering the youths is the answer, but then PNM would lose the elections!!

[KFCSpicy]

sigh the way all yuh going on wid this PNM obsession yuh would think that no other government was ever employed and given a chance to fix and utilise things in our small little soap opera me me me mentallity country called Trinidad eh? :roll:

Move along from the political party issue nah and show some depth to your thinking. Some people have the perfect lives and still choose to be criminals or just plain bad. So come off the soap box nah. Uriah Butler already been there done that for we and none of all yuh appreciated it or him. So please please...move on election done the people has spoken temporarily.

Maybe the government should put everything to a vote publicly before a decision is made so that way we go see how many of all yuh go rush to vote for better staff training and new ideas. Make it easier for all the arm chair critics to make themselves be heard.

[serenity]

U made a good point Gaia. But even after the traumatic childhood, and without the nurturing homes, some ppl still choose to live on the right side of the law. At some point u make a conscious decision to lock neck for a living. And 'society' shouldnt be blamed for your decision when that time comes.
I agree with the concept of empowerment. But how does one achieve this when as u rightly pointed out, those in authority prefer to throw a fete and 'make work' jobs at those most in need of support? Still, there are many NGOs that try and kudos to them.