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skl
01-22-2010, 12:08 PM
This sounds very bad. I hope OUR govt is up to the job of dealing with severe water shortages. we had very little rain last year. what rain we had fell on POS and went straight to the sea. I walk past the Maracas-StJoseph River every day and I can tell u it real low.

btw whatever happened to the desalinization plant ? or that plan the inspect all the water mains for leaks ?

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161585460

Insiders at the Water and Sewerage Authority (WASA) say the company is now struggling to shift its water distribution cycles to handle the shortage. Thus far, rainfall for the month has only reached 12 per cent of what the Meteorological Office at Piarco had predicted, and there has been no word from WASA executives on when the situation is likely to improve.

Many citizens whom the Express spoke with across T&T said within the last two weeks, their water supplies have been unreliable. Areas affected include Belmont, Maracas, St Joseph, San Juan, Chaguanas, Tacarigua/Tunapuna and Laventille. Residents of many areas in South Trinidad who have gone almost two weeks without a supply took to the streets last week in protest action.

Residents of La Brea have said sometimes they only receive water twice or three times a month, and the shortage has intensified an already bad situation for them. The San Juan/Aranguez area has been having supply problems for an estimated eight days now, and Charlieville dwellers told the Express they have not been given a steady supply since January 10.

Sources at the Meteorological Office said they have been urging WASA to issue a statement.

Last Thursday, WASA was scheduled to hold a media conference, but it was cancelled at the last minute.

The day after the cancellation, WASA’s South regional manager Collin Nym met with residents in the Penal/ Debe area where he reportedly warned that the company’s water production potential for 2010 was not at its best, and that the company was revising its water schedule. Ellen Lewis, WASA’s general manager of communications, said the situation in South Trinidad, which was worse than in the North and in need of dire attention, was being attended to.
http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/01/21/fiery-protest-water-penal


Despite assurances from WASA that they will get water, angry Penal residents set the streets on fire, before marching with placards to the constituency office of Siparia MP Kamla Persad-Bissessar, yesterday. As early as 5 am, the residents blocked the Penal Rock Road, Lachoos Road, Smart Street, Dindial Road, Oliverie Drive and Morne Diablo. They dragged their empty water tanks across the streets and cut off access to anyone trying to get to Moruga through Penal. Spokesman Julien Garcia said for more than three months residents had not received water. He said: “We are fed up of the promises. We need water because for too long we have to buy water. WASA giving us bills but no water.” Harripersad Bahal said a WASA turncock from the area had a relative who was selling water using his own trucks. “Now we can’t even buy the water because the turncock saying that WASA monitoring him...We are suffering here and nobody cares about us,” Bahal said.

bella_morena
01-22-2010, 12:12 PM
I can't believe that Mr Manning wants us to have developed country status by 2020. What developed country has issues such as this? If you can't give the population basic needs, how can you even dream of becoming a developed country?

snowbird
01-22-2010, 12:19 PM
Haven't you heard?.....they are already 'First World'.....dey have all kina nice car, an tall building an ting.... all over de place.

TheLight
01-22-2010, 12:24 PM
The money wasted on the 2 summits could have gone a long way in resolving the water problem

vaio
01-22-2010, 01:00 PM
there a quite a number of places esp on south trinidad that are without water. Can anyone say why north is not having the same problem?

SilverEagle
01-22-2010, 01:27 PM
Dey send all de water Haiti.

lak
01-22-2010, 03:02 PM
This is amazing as water woes should be a non issue. Don't these people (WASA) know that you can buy portable desal units that can convert sea water into potable drinking water? Get with the programme and stop having people suffer unnecessarily. Bring in some portable desal units now!!

snowbird
01-22-2010, 03:10 PM
there a quite a number of places esp on south trinidad that are without water. Can anyone say why north is not having the same problem?

According to the article 'north' is also having their problems:

........ Many citizens whom the Express spoke with across T&T said within the last two weeks, their water supplies have been unreliable. Areas affected include Belmont, Maracas, St Joseph, San Juan, Chaguanas, Tacarigua/Tunapuna and Laventille.......

...... The San Juan/Aranguez area has been having supply problems for an estimated eight days now .......

bigzack
01-22-2010, 03:50 PM
This is amazing as water woes should be a non issue. Don't these people (WASA) know that you can buy portable desal units that can convert sea water into potable drinking water? Get with the programme and stop having people suffer unnecessarily. Bring in some portable desal units now!!

Ah have tuh agree with yuh on this one Lak.

Trinidad and Guyana are probably the two democracies in the world, where a government could get by with this kinda chupidness, and not have dey arse handed tuh dem at the next general election.

But more than the government, the people is tuh blame. Is nothing else than some big government supporter making real money off them big arse, unsightly water tanks.

Ah drive the whole ah Barbados in 2008, and me ent see one water tank yet.

Slider
01-22-2010, 04:43 PM
And the thing is "Arima" means "Land of Water" in the Amerindian language and they always have water problems.

Penelope Beckles have been a poor representative. Edwards should have been that MP long time.

snowbird
01-22-2010, 05:14 PM
Is O.K. Slider, yuh en need water tuh live......look how dem people in Haiti live ah whole week already without water

......Is ah paradise man, ah paradise; come Ex-Pats, leh we go home tuh de paradise, we cud always drink and bathe in Carib beer.

lak
01-22-2010, 06:47 PM
And the thing is "Arima" means "Land of Water" in the Amerindian language and they always have water problems.

Penelope Beckles have been a poor representative. Edwards should have been that MP long time.

It does not matter who the MP might be for Arima.
Arima and the rest of the country would continue to have water problems because of those jokers at WASA.

skl
01-22-2010, 10:48 PM
stupid man . people are not going to buy bottled water to wash clothes, wares,shower, flush their toilet.


Despite water shortages all over the country, people are not spending their extra dollars on bottled water. Several bottled-water and distribution companies in the East yesterday said they have not seen any significant increases in sales, though hundreds of citizens have said they are suffering for water.

Dominic Hadeed, CEO of Blue Waters, said although persons may be reporting water shortages, these reports had to be taken with a pinch of salt, as the country has always had water woes. He said citizens may be seeing the water problems in the headlines and as such, may only now be taking the opportunity to talk about problems which always existed.

this is shocking.


The Water and Sewerage Authority’s website also states that the amount of water the company produces is not enough to meet all the country’s needs. In fact, the site said demand exceeds supply by some 60 million gallons per day. The authority has also admitted that it loses between 40 and 50 per cent of its treated water through leakage.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161585945

dancerboy
01-23-2010, 12:47 AM
And the thing is "Arima" means "Land of Water" in the Amerindian language and they always have water problems.

Penelope Beckles have been a poor representative. Edwards should have been that MP long time.

So Edwards would ah provide more water than Penny.

DANCERBOY

Wayne
01-23-2010, 02:25 AM
Are wells allowed in Trinidad? and would the water tables be high enough for residents to pump their own water?..........Here in Florida I have my own well and water and iron conditioners on my property.

shield_2006
01-23-2010, 05:28 AM
http://www.ttonline.org/showthread.php/3157-OUR-WATER-SUPPLY/page2

Good reference material

Double Trouble
01-23-2010, 10:25 AM
And the thing is "Arima" means "Land of Water" in the Amerindian language and they always have water problems.

Penelope Beckles have been a poor representative. Edwards should have been that MP long time.

Slider,

That's as dishonest as you can get! Everyone knows that it's Manning who calls the shots. Don't throw Beckles under the bus because Manning believes stadiums and shiny new buildings in Port Of Spain are sexier than a reliable source of pipe borne water or refurbished hospitals with actual beds and medicine.

Double Trouble
01-23-2010, 10:37 AM
http://www.ttonline.org/showthread.php/3157-OUR-WATER-SUPPLY/page2

Good reference materia
I kind of expect Double Trouble to extract some element of this and ascribe the folly to Manning and I suppose having said he runs the country then all the blame must fall on him.

l

shield,

Exactamundo! In any first world country the buck stops at the desk of the man or woman incharge of the big picture. Manning is more concerned about how modern his suit, shirt, tie and shoes look while his briefs and socks are falling apart at the seams.

halo
01-23-2010, 10:46 PM
Who need water can come to port of spain and full up by the fountain on the waterfront...

atma
01-24-2010, 12:49 AM
http://www.ttonline.org/showthread.php/3157-OUR-WATER-SUPPLY/page2

Good reference material

I do not see mentioned where the current administrations budget for wasa is about a third of the previous administrations.This in itself shows how much of a prority water is to them.Yes wasa has its faults like any government entity but if dem eh getting no money how dem supposed to do any wuk?

TheLight
01-24-2010, 11:14 AM
Who need water can come to port of spain and full up by the fountain on the waterfront...


or they can go by Manning palace


http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8637/57714244.jpg

bigzack
01-24-2010, 12:15 PM
Manning is more concerned about how modern his suit, shirt, tie and shoes look while his briefs and socks are falling apart at the seams.

Ah Doubles pardner, ah see that yuh does be in regular contact with ah poster who is now "on the ground" in Haiti.

Double Trouble
01-25-2010, 06:01 PM
Ah Doubles pardner, ah see that yuh does be in regular contact with ah poster who is now "on the ground" in Haiti.

Who dat, Sanjay Gupta?

TheLight
01-26-2010, 06:51 PM
oye!!

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8633/pnmwater20copybl5ga3.jpg

Redman
01-27-2010, 08:59 AM
In Dec 2008 WASA discontinued all work contracted out to the private sector.We were instructed to IMMEDIATELY stop all drilling and pull equipment off site.
This was done because they uncovered LARGE discrepancies in their accounts and wanted to do an audit and a cleaning out.
A new COB was brought in and the process begun.

IN the mean time WASA tried doing maintenance works with their internal staff-guys that are hourly paid and get double and triple time in addition to over time. The largely predictable result was that the work took 3 times as long and was not done to spec.

Logically this meant that the supply chain began to deteriorate and we have the end result being water shortages.

Eg- 1 well we were pulled off of in 2008 was in Penal -last week in a 'emergency' job WASA instructed us to get it completed NOW-it took us 6 hrs to complete-the well washed out for 24hrs and is now producing.

SO its a matter of WASA being paralyzed- and the network deteriorating.

Enyaw,
WASA has 150 wells through out the country and the large producers are in the north west mainly.

Private wells are allowed upon approval from WASA -the water is paid for via meters on the well. Mainly commercial entities go through the process to drill and maintain a well.
The water table in Florida is almost omnipresent-it is more sporadic in Tdad and as such a system of 1 well per house would not work.
Also the water table is deeper than in FL so the cost of a well can be prohibitive.


Hope this helps


Later

bigzack
01-27-2010, 10:49 AM
Thanks fuh ah intelligent response dey Redman.

Some how ah feel that you should be called TheLight, and that other fella should be called "TheDark".

TheLight
01-29-2010, 02:16 PM
PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad, CMC – Prime Minister Patrick Manning is warning citizens to brace for long drought periods as a result of climate change.

http://www.caribbeandailynews.com/?p=4747


This drought & water shortage talk is Manning ploy to frighten people in believing we facing some disaster so they can build the 5 DESAL Plant and thief more money

Poser
01-29-2010, 02:49 PM
man does ketch dey arse to bathe .. whey i is ... here on the East- West corridor

if you with ah woman ... you have to wait till water come back to go and wash .. both ah allyu lie down in duttyness ..

it dred for so

.

TheLight
01-29-2010, 04:25 PM
man does ketch dey arse to bathe .. whey i is ... here on the East- West corridor

if you with ah woman ... you have to wait till water come back to go and wash .. both ah allyu lie down in duttyness ..

it dred for so

.

You have to burn some tyres, But notice WASA said nothing about drought eh!



http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/499/37315148.png



Angry residents of La Brea, Santa Flora and Erin/Palo Seco formed a human barricade and blocked off access to the south-western peninsula, yesterday, as they staged a fiery protest for water. Several roads in Santa Flora, including Waddle Village, Jacob Settlement, Dalley Village, Bennette Village, Agapito Trace, Number 9 Palo Seco and SS Erin Road, were impassable. Residents dragged derelict vehicles, barrels, empty water tanks and slabs of wood across the streets and set them on fire. Scores of students attending Santa Flora Anglican, Palo Seco Government Secondary, Beach Camp Community School, St Brigid’s RC and Siparia Secondary Schools were unable to get to classes. Lifeguards on their way to Los Iros beach were also caught up in the long line of traffic, which stretched along the SS Erin Road.

By mid-morning, the protest also spread to Sobo Village in La Brea, miles away. A fire appliance took hours to get through the crowds to extinguish the flames at the various locations. At Bennette Village, one resident—Keston Vincent—threw himself on the road and refused to allow the police to pass. Vincent said they had not received water for more than six weeks. Karelene Forbes, of Waddle Village, said more than 15,000 people in the area were affected by the water problem. “We have to pay for water; some of us cannot afford. We need water in the taps now.”

Pensioner Clara Roberts begged WASA to send water in the lines. Beating her walking stick on the ground, Roberts shouted: “Since before Christmas we waiting for water in the line, and we can’t see a drop.” The residents said early last year, they had a water schedule from 11 am to 6 am. However, within recent months, they started to receive water from 2 am to 5 am. MP for La Brea, Fitzgerald Jeffrey, met with the demonstrators yesterday and promised relief. He said he would make representation to the WASA authorities to ensure that water was distributed.

WASA responds:
In a news release yesterday, WASA said it had taken the decision, with immediate, effect to appoint Allan Poon King, general manager (operations) to head the management of the utility’s business operations in south Trinidad. “Mr Poon King will be directly responsible for spearheading the development of the Authority’s plan of action, to improve the reliability of the water supply to customers in south Trinidad, the statement said. The authority’s general manager corporate communication Ellen Lewis also assured customers that all efforts were being made to minimise the impact of the supply shortfall.

She said “We acknowledge that the standard of service is not at an acceptablelevel in the communities that have publicly expressed dissatisfaction. Accordingly, the authority is currently seeking to bring about reliability in the service by ensuring the existing schedules are met. Areas such as Debe, Sobo Village and Los Bajos are on schedule for a pipeborne water supply. That supply was expected late yesterday. WASA said it also apologised to customers for the interruption, and until the supply had been normalised, customers who needed truck-borne water could call 800-4420/4426.



http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/01/19/water-protesters-isolate-south-west

guyguy
01-29-2010, 06:18 PM
Redman,
If you own property and drill a well, are you saying that you still have to pay WASA for the water on your land, that you are extracting?

Slider
01-29-2010, 06:43 PM
Unless your property is water metered you have to pay WASA a water rate regardless if you have pipe (Zack, doh laugh eh), pond or catch barrel water.

guyguy
01-29-2010, 06:54 PM
Unless your property is water metered you have to pay WASA a water rate regardless if you have pipe (Zack, doh laugh eh), pond or catch barrel water.Isn't this legal robbery then? Why should anyone pay for a service that an entity is not providing? If this is the case, then there is an implicit contract between WASA and the resident(s), and therefore, if WASA does not provide its service in accordance with standard practice, then they are breaching their end of the contract and therefore, should be prosecuted in court for breach of contract, embezzlement, and grand theft. Furthermore, why doesn't WASA place meters on residential households? If they do, then residents will pay for the water that they actually use, just like the electricity. By charging people water rates without metering the consumption, WASA is again committing the crime of robbery.

Slider
01-29-2010, 06:58 PM
The Water in T&T is considered the property of WASA. So the law of the land is that you have to pay a quarterly water rate.

In areas where there is a lack of water, WASA trucks will deliver for you (and you don't have to pay them). All you do is call WASA and tell them you want water and they will send a truck for you.

Also once you live within a certain range of a stand pipe you are considered to be "receiving pipe borne water."

guyguy
01-29-2010, 07:02 PM
The Water in T&T is considered the property of WASA. So the law of the land is that you have to pay a quarterly water rate.

In areas where there is a lack of water, WASA trucks will deliver for you (and you don't have to pay them). All you do is call WASA and tell them you want water and they will send a truck for you.

Also once you live within a certain range of a stand pipe you are considered to be "receiving pipe borne water."So the people who complaining down South have no case? So, since I own land in Trinidad, and the mineral rights, any oil, water, or even gold that I may find if I dig belongs to who? Me or the government?

This dotishness that WASA pulls on the people is unacceptable and someone needs to take WASA and the government to court for redress.

Slider
01-29-2010, 07:05 PM
For certain minerals, you you have rights up to a certain depth.

Also, for some areas you don't have the mineral rights. There are 2 deeds: the land deed and the mineral deed. And on some of the mineral deeds they indicate "Property of the State of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago."

In the case of water, the law is that WASA has all the rights. So you could dig a pond on your property, let it full up with rain water, and live in a boat in the pond but that water is WASA's water, not yours and you will receive a quarterly bill in the mail to pay

guyguy
01-29-2010, 07:10 PM
In the case of water, the law is that WASA has all the rights. So you could dig a pond on your property, let it full up with rain water, and live in a boat in the pond but that water is WASA's water, not yours and you will receive a quarterly bill in the mail to payI don't know the Constitution of T&T so I'm out of my league here but it seems to me that this must be unconstitutional. The State cannot demand that its citizens pay any entity for a product that it does not provide. Maybe some smart person can give some insight about this.

Wayne
01-29-2010, 07:32 PM
Are wells allowed in Trinidad? and would the water tables be high enough for residents to pump their own water?..........Here in Florida I have my own well and water and iron conditioners on my property.
Redman said:
WASA has 150 wells through out the country and the large producers are in the north west mainly.

Private wells are allowed upon approval from WASA -the water is paid for via meters on the well. Mainly commercial entities go through the process to drill and maintain a well.
The water table in Florida is almost omnipresent-it is more sporadic in Tdad and as such a system of 1 well per house would not work.
Also the water table is deeper than in FL so the cost of a well can be prohibitive.

Allyuh..........if someone in Trinidad can afford to have a well,they should be able to do this.............I have a well in my back yard.The water pressure is over 80 psi.I also have a water conditioner to "soften" the water.In my
Garage,there is a 150 gallon tank for Hot Water........The Only Water Woes I have is when we have a Power Outtage (Current Gorn).....because of the Well Pump.....I even have a big sign on the shed over the Well....Its says
"De Pumping Station"

guyguy
01-29-2010, 07:43 PM
enyaw,
Why don't you buy a small generator to run the pump when current gone?

snowbird
01-30-2010, 01:24 AM
Yuh know, I am reading the post (and being educated) on what goes on in T&T; and learning how things operate (or does not I should say) in T&T

.... I am thinking ...."my God, you have got to be kidding"

Does anyone over there ever demand anything? Does anyone ever stand up to challenge the inefficiencies? Does anyone ever point out the corruption and say....enough is enough, we are not going to take it anymore?

T&T land of Apathy!!!


like I've said before, the people of T&T are getting exactly what they ask for .....NOTHING!!!

(oh by the way, yesterday ah hear a knocking on meh back door...it was the Hydro Man...he tell me ah will lose power for ah couple ah minutes as he installing a new 'smart meter', I tell him....but didn't you just install one about three years ago?, he tell meh yes....but this is the 'latest version,so they upgrading').... see people, dat is what ah paying meh rates for.


Oh, and Wayne, meh sister just like you, she livin out in the 'Rurals'; she dig she own well (they have a good water table out there), they even 'spot' a few more veins just in case that one run out; they put in they own pump (tuh geh de water tuh de house), dey have dey own iron filter and everything. Other than the original outlay.... it eh costing dem squat fer water...why? it on dey their land...is theirs.

Wayne
01-30-2010, 02:29 AM
enyaw,
Why don't you buy a small generator to run the pump when current gone?

guy guy..........I have a 5500 watt generator but that is for the Fridges,the Freezer,TV,Kitchen Range and Microwave Oven.The Power Outtage is usually not more than 4 hours.I thought about installing a Whole House Generator
which will "run"everything in the house...........but realised I could use that money on something else.........We live only about 5 miles from the Main Power Station in the Tampa Bay area......so current is restored as quickly as
possible.We keep cases of bottled water.If we have to take showers we have friends about 8 miles away and their Power Grid will be working and they will have current,so no problem
there....."matter fix".............and the Best Part is that we use (not abuse) as MUCH water as we want........its my water on my PROPERTY...Dey does call out here de Modern Rurals.

sylvestter
02-02-2010, 07:44 AM
so i supposed to drive around with a dirty car while hydrants and pipes are leaking everywhere???

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161590237


Also, as of Wednesday morning, there will be nationwide restrictions on water use. Customers found breaking these restrictions, which fall under the Water and Sewerage Act, will face fines of at least $80 or $90 per offence.

Repeat offenders who leave sprinklers on excessively, religiously wash their cars with hoses, and refuse to take responsibility for their actions where water conservation is concerned will be further penalised, WASA corporate lawyer, Dion Abdool, said at a press conference at the company’s St Joseph headquarters yesterday.

The restrictions will be published in the press before they take full effect tomorrow, WASA officials said. The authority’s police will be on patrol once the restrictions are in effect. they going to have WATER POLICE on patrol??? :curse:

is this a joke? seriously?

let's look at the act.

section 49 0f the water and sewerage act:

(1) If the Authority is of opinion that a serious deficiency of water available for distribution by it or by a water purveyor exists, or is threatened, the Authority may, for such period as it thinks necessary, prohibit or restrict as respects the whole or any part of its own water supply system or that of a water purveyor the use, for the purpose of watering private gardens or washing private motor cars, of any water supplied by them and drawn through a hosepipe or similar apparatus.

In this subsection the expression “private motor car” means a motor vehicle intended or adapted for use on roads, other than a public service vehicle within the meaning of the Motor Vehicles and Road Traffic Act or a goods vehicle within the meaning of that Act, and includes any vehicle drawn by a private motor car.

(2) The Authority shall, before the prohibition or restriction comes into force, give public notice in one or more newspapers circulating within Trinidad and Tobago of the prohibition or restriction and of the date when it will come into force.

(3) Any person who, while the prohibition or restriction is in force, contravenes its provisions is, in respect of each offense, liable on summary conviction to a fine of seventy-five dollars.

(4) During any period when a prohibition or restriction imposed under this section is in force, any officer of the Authority or water purveyor, as the case may be, shall, on producing if so required some duly authenticated document showing his authority, have a right at all reasonable hours to enter any premises to which the prohibition or restriction applies for the purpose of ascertaining whether there is or has been any contravention of the prohibition or restriction; and the provisions of the Third Schedule relating to entry of premises shall apply to any such right of entry.


clause 24 of the third schedule to the act:
(1) Subject to this paragraph, any authorized officer of the undertakers shall, on producing, if so required, some duly authenticated document showing his authority, have a right to enter any premises at all reasonable hours:

(a) for the purpose of inspecting and examining meters used by the undertakers for measuring the water supplied by them, and of ascertaining therefrom the quantity of water consumed;

(b) for the purpose of ascertaining whether there is, or has been, on or in connection with the premises any contravention of the Act or the Order or of any Bye-laws made thereunder;

(c) for the purpose of ascertaining whether or not circumstances exist which would authorize the undertakers to take any action, or execute any work, under the Act or the Order or any such Bye-laws;so i cah wash my car or water my garden with the hose. but technically, if i wash-down my yard, i not in contravention of the act, because that is not ' watering private gardens or washing private motor cars'.

similarly, there is no provision for fountains etc, such as the ones at manning's space-ship around the savannah. interesting.

i waiting to see what's going to happen next...

Redman
02-02-2010, 08:11 AM
Guy,
If you drill a private well the water is metered and charged for by WASA
The GOTT owns all mineral rights regardless of who owns the land-if you find oil-PEtrotrin has sole rights to the oil and will pay you according the the contract.

Wayne- because our water table is much lower than the surfical aquifers (I think Fla has them as shallow as 100-120 ft) you can not easily drill a small bore well with simple machinery.
Thats the bore of your well?


The varying and I mean VARYING geology in Tdad make it difficult to do this-for eg wells in La Brea are sheared by land movement and pipe is moved 100s of feet laterally-all equipment lost.
So we use drilling fluids to remove the cuttings and maintain the integrity of the hole,,casing-to keep the hole-now a well in place after drilling, and screens- filters most of the sand out as a normal part of a producing well.

The depth is also an issue-The Penal 25 well wich was advertised as producing 120,000 gallons a day has a static level of about 300 feet. The pump set is 350.

The deeper you go
So the depth and geology -land movement,sands etc make drilling AND maintaining a well difficult-it can cost 7 figures-but usually just below. Out of reach for most individuals.

Also we have a rich history in the oil sector -one that LARGELY ignored the environmental impact-waste-sludge etc was just dumped and left-so our water table has many contaminated areas- I know of at least 1 soft drink manufacturer that had fecal matter in their water-drawn from a pvte well on the compound.

Later

vaio
02-02-2010, 08:15 AM
The Water in T&T is considered the property of WASA. So the law of the land is that you have to pay a quarterly water rate.

In areas where there is a lack of water, WASA trucks will deliver for you (and you don't have to pay them). All you do is call WASA and tell them you want water and they will send a truck for you.

Also once you live within a certain range of a stand pipe you are considered to be "receiving pipe borne water."

Tell that to the families in south who have made numerous calls and visits to WASA but they would only deliver water to residents who PAY them! :mad:

vaio
02-02-2010, 08:21 AM
WASA need to put their act in order and the laws needs to be amended. They have so many leaks and i can say from personal experience that they are trying to manage and fix some of these leaks. I called the hotline two weeks ago to report a leak and within 3 days it was attended to and i was grateful. I hate seeing water going to waste especially as many, many ppl have to go without water for weeks and sometimes months.

Syl, we as consumers do waste a lot of water. I do use a bucket to wash my cars and also a watering can to water my plants. I see ppl washing their cars with hose and while they wash the hose is on the ground with water wasting! I am sure if ppl had a water metre, they'd be conserving instead of wasting.

Ali
02-02-2010, 08:25 AM
If they gonna ration the water fine. BUT is it gonna be done fairly? Areas like Westmoorings and Manning palace will face the ration? People who are accustom having no water (south esp), will they face rationing also?........if it's done fairly I am sure EVERYONE can be comfortable.

syl good point about those fountains. Also noticed the one by Hyatt running yesterday.......Turn d dam ting off!!!

anyway.....prepare for the worse people.....conserve your water.... store what you can cuz with the rationing you don't know which 'category' you will fall in.

sylvestter
02-02-2010, 08:30 AM
my main concern is with these 'water police' : shady characters, potential for bribery and safety of people's premises...

Falcon
02-02-2010, 08:34 AM
There are usually priority lists to be followed in cases like this, and the consumers get targetted first. Government installations and big business usually lower down that list. Fountain water is usually recycled so the danger here is evaporation, and this also comes lower down the list.

SYlvestter, if that is the way the authority decrees that water in conserved in the country then it has to be so. You cant moan about leaks and at the same time say 'if you wasting then I ent conserving'- that way we will ALL end up without water, and everybody vex. Remember the next step after people dont take on the advisories and regulations is to shut the water off for half day to force people and leaks from wasting........I'm sure people will be more vex for dat. Is not like global warming where the big boys wasting and them telling we smallies to take off monitors and stand-by appliances in de nite......DAT DONT make ah difference. But is 1 million people feeding off how many, 5 reserviors, and is only for 6 months anyhow........

What's more important, water to drink or a lil fella writing 'I wish my wife was as dirty as this' graffiti on yuh car?

Falcon
02-02-2010, 08:35 AM
what's the water police's legal standing?

sylvestter
02-02-2010, 08:37 AM
There are usually priority lists to be followed in cases like this, and the consumers get targetted first. Government installations and big business usually lower down that list. Fountain water is usually recycled so the danger here is evaporation, and this also comes lower down the list.

SYlvestter, if that is the way the authority decrees that water in conserved in the country then it has to be so. You cant moan about leaks and at the same time say 'if you wasting then I ent conserving'- that way we will ALL end up without water, and everybody vex. Remember the next step after people dont take on the advisories and regulations is to shut the water off for half day to force people and leaks from wasting........I'm sure people will be more vex for dat. Is not like global warming where the big boys wasting and them telling we smallies to take off monitors and stand-by appliances in de nite......DAT DONT make ah difference. But is 1 million people feeding off how many, 5 reserviors, and is only for 6 months anyhow........

What's more important, water to drink or a lil fella writing 'I wish my wife was as dirty as this' graffiti on yuh car?understood. but i hope wasa cracking-down on all those illegal connections in belleview and beetham, - but wait - those people working wasa. right...

as stated above, my main issue is not with the measures themselves, but with these so-called 'water police'. it leaves a very unsettling feeling my my mind...

sylvestter
02-02-2010, 08:38 AM
what's the water police's legal standing?exactly what the act says. that's it.

Falcon
02-02-2010, 08:40 AM
yuh mean ah have to go and read that brag-esque jargon??:(

Falcon
02-02-2010, 08:41 AM
right.
:blink
ah read it but ent none the wiser.

ah will have to stay on the ole talk side in this thread.

sylvestter
02-02-2010, 08:43 AM
yuh mean ah have to go and read that brag-esque jargon??:(ok, to summarize, all they need to show is a piece of paper saying that they working wasa, and they can come into your yard to 'inspect'.

in my opinion they cannot actually charge you with anything, maybe they can give you a 'ticket' or something, or maybe they have to report it to the police who will in turn lay the charge, it's unclear.

one thing's for certain - these fines should NOT be payable to these 'water police' but rather at the magistrate's court etc. but expect some of these 'water police' to capitalize on the ignorance of people...

vaio
02-02-2010, 08:48 AM
so the fines are to be paid to the 'water police'?????

sylvestter
02-02-2010, 08:49 AM
further points:


79. A person who willfully obstructs any person acting in the execution of this Act, or of any Regulation, Bye-law, Order or warrant made or issued thereunder is, in any case for which no other provision is made by this Act, liable to a fine of seventy-five dollars and for each subsequent offense to a further fine of one hundred and fifty dollars.

80. If on a complaint made by the owner of any premises, it appears to a Court of summary jurisdiction that the occupier of those premises prevents the owner or any person authorized by him from executing any work which he is by or under this Act, required to execute, the Court may order the occupier to permit the execution of the work.

81.Where provision is made by or under this Act for the imposition of a daily penalty in respect of a continuing offense, the Court by which a person is convicted of the original offense may fix a reasonable period from the date of conviction for compliance by the defendant with any directions given by the Court and, where a Court has fixed such a period, the daily penalty shall not be recoverable in respect of any day before the expiration thereof.

82. Any sum that the Authority is entitled to recover under this Act, and with respect to the recovery of which provision is not made by any other section of this Act, may be recovered either summarily as a civil debt, or as a simple contract debt in any Court of competent jurisdiction.

83. A person who contravenes any of the provisions of this Act is guilty of an offense, and any person guilty of an offense against this Act, except where the provision by or under which the offense is created provides the penalty to be imposed, is liable on summary conviction to a fine of seven hundred and fifty dollars, and in the case of a continuing offense to a further fine of seventy-five dollars for each day during which the offense continues after conviction therefor.

sylvestter
02-02-2010, 08:52 AM
so the fines are to be paid to the 'water police'?????no, the act says on summary conviction. so you'd end up in the magistrate's court. the procedure needs to be properly explained by wasa.

bigzack
02-02-2010, 09:40 AM
Getting rid ah de bobol at WASA.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,115159.html

Mr.Sultan-Khan, we need about 100 more like you in Trinidad.


WASA will take disciplinary action against employees who fail to heed the call to regularise.

Sultan-Khan told the media that in his 18 months at WASA he too had complained of illegal water trucking but only recently was WASA making ground with dealing with the problem by halting contracts to some persons over the past six months.

He said when the illegal truckers were “hit in their pockets” they fell in line. Sultan-Khan said the problem of corruption was not only among employees and truckers but also businessmen.

He said businessmen had called WASA complaining that trucks were no longer bringing them water. “They had those truck drivers on their payroll. So that those truck drivers work for a good salary, get unionised rates but they have a second salary.”

He said there was a “big racket” going on with getting certificates of completion from the customer service department. Some staff members have been sent on leave and replacements installed. “You don’t have to bribe anybody to get a certificate of completion.”

Sultan-Khan also indicated the board had to get its own information and not rely on executives to tell the truth. “Because they just don’t. They tell you what is in their interest. So we have to go out and monitor compliance.”

I never read about ah range of bobol like wey did happening at WASA.

dancerboy
02-02-2010, 11:04 AM
my main concern is with these 'water police' : shady characters, potential for bribery and safety of people's premises...

SYL my friend, i made note of the part that said: "any authorized officer of the undertakers shall have....... the authotity to enter any premises". I know those undertakers will be very happy if these undertakers decide to enter peoples' premises, to look for water violators. That will be a grave error on the part of those undrtakers who enter peoples' premises.


DANCERBOY

bigzack
02-02-2010, 11:08 AM
right.

ah read it but ent none the wiser.

Oh gorm man!!!!

Yuh pulling dat same ole trick since yuh days in PresHENtation.

dancerboy
02-02-2010, 11:10 AM
, my main issue is not with the measures themselves, but with these so-called 'water police'. it leaves a very unsettling feeling my my mind...

Your main issue, should be the water Main.

DANCERBOY

sylvestter
02-02-2010, 11:10 AM
SYL my friend, i made note of the part that said: "any authorized officer of the undertakers shall have....... the authotity to enter any premises". I know those undertakers will be very happy if these undertakers decide to enter peoples' premises, to look for water violators. That will be a grave error on the part of those undrtakers who enter peoples' premises.'undertaker' is defined in the Act loosely as an agent of the authority...

Angie
02-02-2010, 11:19 AM
Enyaw,

About a year ago we changed over to County water but I still have and use my well for my garden and washing my driveway etc even though we have an uniterrupted supply of County water I am presently having solar panels installed to run the whole house although we don't have power interruptions on a regular basis, and when we do it is short lived.

Slider,

You don't have a clue, do you my Dear? Unless you go a couple or triple or quadriple BLUES, you better not call for truck borne water cuz you eh getting it.

bigzack
02-02-2010, 11:26 AM
You don't have a clue, do you my Dear? Unless you go a couple or triple or quadriple BLUES, you better not call for truck borne water cuz you eh getting it.

BS squared.

I called WASA and got my tanks filled on Christmas morning.

Them fellas wouldn't even take ah tip from me.

That crap mighta happened in the past. But it seems like WASA have ah new sheriff, and he ent playing.

Falcon
02-02-2010, 11:31 AM
Oh gorm man!!!!

Yuh pulling dat same ole trick since yuh days in PresHENtation.
got me this far...why quit now? lol

Falcon
02-02-2010, 11:36 AM
Anybody you talk to for 2 minutes know dat you is police from Burroughs time. You feel them WASA men wasnt ready to cuss you up for wanting water Christmas morning.

THEM KNOW THE SYSTEM with the police in Trinidad more than you!

bigzack
02-02-2010, 12:27 PM
Anybody you talk to for 2 minutes know dat you is police from Burroughs time. You feel them WASA men wasnt ready to cuss you up for wanting water Christmas morning.

THEM KNOW THE SYSTEM with the police in Trinidad more than you!

Oh laarrdddddddd!!!!!

This Falcon fella is something else yuh know.

I never know that mih soft, smooth, suave, sophisticated voice could be that intimidating.

I talk tuh Amelia on the phone for about 2 minutes and de gyul gorn and tell the whole Paramin Parang fete that she just tork yuh Luther Van Dross.

Angie
02-02-2010, 12:53 PM
Careful there, yuh go trip over yuhself again and cyar get up rofl rofl rofl rofl

saltwater
02-02-2010, 01:16 PM
Oh laarrdddddddd!!!!!

This Falcon fella is something else yuh know.

I never know that mih soft, smooth, suave, sophisticated voice could be that intimidating.

I talk tuh Amelia on the phone for about 2 minutes and de gyul gorn and tell the whole Paramin Parang fete that she just tork yuh Luther Van Dross.
Well let us see some of that in yr writing skills nah, or you to looking to excel in jam and wine only.

bigzack
02-02-2010, 01:26 PM
Well let us see some of that in yr writing skills nah, or you to looking to excel in jam and wine only.

Like you is JRWB sister or wah?

Me ent no writer.

Yuh think writing skills could put food on my table?

Wayne
02-02-2010, 04:22 PM
Rules and Regulations are NOT made to be BROKEN......................its just another "FINE" Mess.....................another source of INCOME................to pay for all the "white elephants" that exist.

Why is it a Desalination Plant cannot be built?............it certainly would NOT be another "white elephant" and would benefit most of the "water woes" in the Country.

Wayne
02-02-2010, 04:34 PM
big zack said:"I talk tuh Amelia on the phone for about 2 minutes and de gyul gorn and tell the whole Paramin Parang fete that she just tork tuh Luther Van Dross". ..........

Luther Ronzoni Vandross (April 20, 1951 – July 1, 2005)Vandross had diabetes, a disease that ran in his family, as well as hypertension. On April 16, 2003, just four days before his 52nd birthday, Vandross suffered a stroke at his home in Manhattan..........he then passed away on 1 July,2005.

"the Ghost of Luther" lives on in Big Zack.

TheLight
02-02-2010, 04:41 PM
Getting rid ah de bobol at WASA.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,115159.html

Mr.Sultan-Khan, we need about 100 more like you in Trinidad.



I never read about ah range of bobol like wey did happening at WASA.


I wish him luck getting rid of the PNM culture from WASA

bigzack
02-02-2010, 05:29 PM
he then passed away on 1 July,2005.

"the Ghost of Luther" lives on in Big Zack.

Yuh think that Paramin people know that VanDross dead?

snowbird
02-02-2010, 05:47 PM
Well ah never see ting so.....is back tuh 'Ration Card' days or what?

Boy that country real regressing under de PNM oui.



source Trinidad Express... http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161590237

" WASA starts rationing "

...... Also, as of Wednesday morning, there will be nationwide restrictions on water use. Customers found breaking these restrictions, which fall under the Water and Sewerage Act, will face fines of at least $80 or $90 per offence. ......

TheLight
02-02-2010, 06:39 PM
Well ah never see ting so.....is back tuh 'Ration Card' days or what?

Boy that country real regressing under de PNM oui.



source Trinidad Express... http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161590237

" WASA starts rationing "

...... Also, as of Wednesday morning, there will be nationwide restrictions on water use. Customers found breaking these restrictions, which fall under the Water and Sewerage Act, will face fines of at least $80 or $90 per offence. ......


All that is Manning tricks to frustrate the people so they go tell him go build the DESAL Plants so he and his crooks can thief some more

snowbird
02-02-2010, 06:52 PM
All that is Manning tricks to frustrate the people so they go tell him go build the DESAL Plants so he and his crooks can thief some more

Well yuh know, seeing that right now so many people don't have water....if the only way they can get it is by ....allowing ah big teef', den I say....go for it; it go just be 'very expensive' water....like the 'very expensive' airport, and the 'every expensive' PM house...and so on, and so on, and so on.

TheLight
02-02-2010, 07:16 PM
Well yuh know, seeing that right now so many people don't have water....if the only way they can get it is by ....allowing ah big teef', den I say....go for it; it go just be 'very expensive' water....like the 'very expensive' airport, and the 'every expensive' PM house...and so on, and so on, and so on.


The trouble is PNM has a history of starting projects and thieving out the money before the project done a la; Project Pride, LABIDCO, Caroni Racing Complex, Tobago Hospital, Tarouba Stadium to name a few
I think there’s no real water shortage but one created to satisfy Manning needs just like how there was no$10 million missing

Wayne
02-02-2010, 08:07 PM
The Land of Nothing Cheap..........3 Million.....5 Million.........10 Million..........12 Million......... One Billion..........

Wayne
02-02-2010, 09:30 PM
3905

Convoy of Water Trucks?...................People Suffering.

Muslim_Chick
02-02-2010, 11:12 PM
Its like 1903 all over again.. the govt telling the people they wasting water but the people telling the govt dey not getting any water and the govt rasied the price of water...and the Red House was totally gutted . Back then things was rel stink yes esp in POS

shield_2006
02-03-2010, 06:13 AM
The trouble is PNM has a history of starting projects and thieving out the money before the project done a la; Project Pride, LABIDCO, Caroni Racing Complex, Tobago Hospital, Tarouba Stadium to name a few
I think there’s no real water shortage but one created to satisfy Manning needs just like how there was no$10 million missing


Breds--leh me help you. It have a thing called the North Water Project and the South Water Project. I have the end of Project Report-if only you could get to read it. I even have a letter with a Former Government Minister signing as Managing Director of a Company while he was a sitting Minister on a Project in that same programme--and believe me it was not under PNM.

TheLight
02-03-2010, 08:42 AM
I was listening to the CEO of WASA on CNC3 this morning and all I was hearing WASA need to collect more revenue, illegal connections, 67% of leaks are on private property, water ration from midnight, Trinidadians paying too little for water and the RIC looking at an increase.

I heard nothing about efficiency, I heard nothing about Trinidad has two seasons, six months dry, six months wet season and how WASA was preparing to better manage their water supply, I heard nothing about the Caparo Dam and WASA incorporating it into their system and most of all I heard nothing about drought.

TheLight
02-03-2010, 09:12 AM
Breds--leh me help you. It have a thing called the North Water Project and the South Water Project. I have the end of Project Report-if only you could get to read it. I even have a letter with a Former Government Minister signing as Managing Director of a Company while he was a sitting Minister on a Project in that same programme--and believe me it was not under PNM.


Breds, let me give you some real info nuh!





WASA rotten from head says chairman

Rhonda Krystal Rambally
Published: 2 Feb 2010

Chairman of the Water and Sewerage Authority (WASA) Dr Shafeek Sultan-Khan blames previous managements for illegal practices within the organisation, saying they have resulted in tremendous suffering for the public.


http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/02/02/wasa-rotten-head-says-chairman-lead-pg5


Date: 25, January 03, at 11:15 a.m.

Money flowing like water

By Anthony Wilson
Business Editor, Guardian TT

WASA salaries have gone from being a national joke to a point where they are comparable with wages paid by other state-owned companies.

Documents made available to the Business Guardian indicate that Errol Grimes, the CEO of the heavily indebted public utility, receives salary and perks of $936,000 a year.

Apart from his salary, he is entitled to a fully maintained car (with driver) worth $450,000 and has the first option to purchase it at the end of the three-year contract at book value.

The total entitlement of the Wasa chief executive also includes an unlimited entertainment allowance, free gasoline, free telephone (both cellular and land line), free electricity and free cable. The CEO's contract is for three years and there is a clause in it which calls for a minimum annual increment of three per cent of the annual salary.

The opposition in the Senate has sought to get the current Public Utilities Minister Rennie Dumas to answer questions on the compensation of Grimes and WASA managers

The six Wasa general managers receive salary and perks of $652,000 a year. [See sidebar at right]

The Water and Sewerage Act states that the appointment of top managers at Wasa is “subject to the approval of the Minister” of Public Utilities and that salaries of more than $10,000 “shall not be assigned” without the prior approval of the Minister.

The Wasa executives received their salary hikes in late September last year, just before the last general election. The Public Utilities Minister at the time, Martin Joseph, is now the Minister of Housing. Wasa's chairman is Roland Baptiste, a former Chief Personnel Officer.

The salary and perks of the Wasa executive team were increased last year because the remuneration of other workers at Wasa increased, sources said and there was need to maintain a differential between executive management and other staff.

Daily-paid employees signed a new collective agreement in 2001 giving them 46 per cent more as part of the authority's “new policy of equity and relativity in the utility industry”.

The salaries of monthly-paid workers were increased by 33 per cent last year and a new monthly-paid employee structure approved.

The documents reveal that in the period 2000 to 2002, the base salary of the CEO was $36,000 and the directors (now called general managers) received between $22,000 and $24,000.

The CEO's base salary went from $36,000 to $50,000 last year — an increase of 39 per cent — while the base pay of Wasa general managers was increased from a top rate of $24,000 to $35,000 last year — about 48 per cent.

The documents also point out that the revised compensation structure for the Wasa executive management takes account of the fact that these positions are now designated as contract positions.

This means the executive managers no longer have “the permanent status with the associated pension rights and benefits.”

The documents note that the compensation principles for the water sector are different from other business because “all senior managers at Wasa are on call 24 hours a day”.

In an interview in September, Grimes estimated that during last year's wet season nearly 990,000 people – or 80 per cent of the population – received a water supply for at least three-and-a-half days a week.

The improvement in the water supply in the last seven years has resulted from a massive borrowing programme which saw the utility receive $2.4 billion.

Wasa is estimated to have run a deficit of $172 million in the 12-month period ending September 30, 2002.

Timeline

March 14, 2002

WASA board approves a revised management structure for the Authority.

July 25, 2002

Five general manager positions approved by the board

August 22, 2002

Former Public Utilities Minister Martin Joseph ratifies the five management appointments.

September 20, 2002

Cabinet approves the Authority's new organisational structure

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7566/71350821.jpg


The documents reveal that WASA salaries were increased in recent years:

The Chief Executive Officer receives:

• Contract term: three years

• Contract fee: $50,000/month, $600,000/year

• 10 per cent housing allowance: $5,000/month, $60,000/year

• Bonus: 15 per cent of contract fee; $90,000, paid annually

• Gratuity: 25 per cent of contract; $150,000, paid annually

• Overseas travel grant: $2,500/month, $30,000/year

• Professional and club fees: $500/month, $6,000/year

• Minimum annual increment of three per cent of contract fee

• Unlimited entertainment allowance: company to pay bills

• Telephone and utilities: cell and land lines — free.

• Gasoline: free

• Executive level car (up to $450,000), fully maintained by WASA, with driver.

General managers receive:

• Contract term: three years

• Contract fee: $35,000/month, $420,000/year

• 10 per cent housing allowance: $3,500/month, $42,000/year

• Entertainment allowance: WASA pays bills

• Telephone: cell and land lines — free.

• Bonus: 15 per cent of contract fee, $63,000 paid annually

• Gratuity: 25 per cent of contract fee, $105,000 paid annually

• Professional and club fees: $300/month, $3,600/year

• Overseas travel grant: $1,500/month, $18,000/year

• Gasoline: free

• Minimum annual increment of 3 per cent of contract fee

• Fully-maintained leased car, valued at $250,000, with option to purchase at the end of three year contract period.

http://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/952

Redman
02-03-2010, 10:52 AM
Light- As a contractor in WASA now I can tell you that WASA state is not specific to the PNM- it FLOURISHED under the UNC and while if 1 was desirous to assign blame logically it would proportionally fall to the PNM side. THE truth is that the corruption at WASA isnt party specific.
The above info is just the latest batch of people to suck at the WASA tit.

Get over the PNM/UNC ting nah


Later

TheLight
02-03-2010, 12:06 PM
Light- As a contractor in WASA now I can tell you that WASA state is not specific to the PNM- it FLOURISHED under the UNC and while if 1 was desirous to assign blame logically it would proportionally fall to the PNM side. THE truth is that the corruption at WASA isnt party specific.
The above info is just the latest batch of people to suck at the WASA tit.

Get over the PNM/UNC ting nah


Later


UNC Inherited the PNM Corruption at WASA and tried to clean it up you forget Severn Trent

snowbird
02-03-2010, 01:45 PM
While kettle calling pot black, and pot calling kettle black.....nobody bothering to wash the pot bottom

.....T&T yuh gotta love dat country'; people doz geh so caught up in de battle..... dey doz forget wat de war is about.

Redman
02-04-2010, 08:35 AM
UNC Inherited the PNM Corruption at WASA and tried to clean it up you forget Severn Trent



That is a shallow approach.

We have a poor SYSTEM-a SYSTEM that breeds short cuts and bribery to get a legitimate job done-it isnt a plan that was implemented by x or y - poor controls lead invariably to this situation.

The Severn trent issue was just the most politically damaging to the PNM and therefore attracted UNC attention.

At the end of the day we need to establish systematic AND SYSTEMIC cross checks and balances on an on going basis.
Both parties have failed miserably to inject that ethos into our public service sector.
I have said elsewhere that CLICO is just the company that got caught-you feel that theyre the only one???

You act as though the PNM has a monopoly of corruption and poor governance.That is not born out by history.
With all respect-get off the UNC high horse.
Its not a PNM or UNC thing its a CORRUPTION thing.

Later

Redman
02-04-2010, 08:41 AM
what's the water police's legal standing?

Somewhere above the mango scouts


Later

TheLight
02-04-2010, 08:49 AM
That is a shallow approach.

We have a poor SYSTEM-a SYSTEM that breeds short cuts and bribery to get a legitimate job done-it isnt a plan that was implemented by x or y - poor controls lead invariably to this situation.

The Severn trent issue was just the most politically damaging to the PNM and therefore attracted UNC attention.

At the end of the day we need to establish systematic AND SYSTEMIC cross checks and balances on an on going basis.
Both parties have failed miserably to inject that ethos into our public service sector.
I have said elsewhere that CLICO is just the company that got caught-you feel that theyre the only one???

You act as though the PNM has a monopoly of corruption and poor governance.That is not born out by history.
With all respect-get off the UNC high horse.
Its not a PNM or UNC thing its a CORRUPTION thing.

Later


A bobol system design and operated by THE PNM for donkey years, UNC couldn’t fix that without sending home everybody they had to work with that bobol system while trying to fix it but unfortunately they was removed from office before the work was done and PNM get back in office and the bobol continue

lexbarker
02-04-2010, 10:27 AM
What they need is the water police to watch WASA. 3 years ago I stayed in Diego Martin and there was a broken main almost in the middle of the road. I was there for 2 weeks and nothing was done even though several complaints were made. At that time too we went to visit a friend near Piarco. 6 men were there to fix a broken main. Only one man was digging and 5 were watching. We passed back a few hours later and the hole didn't look bigger and still 5 men were watching.

Redman
02-04-2010, 01:13 PM
A bobol system design and operated by THE PNM for donkey years, UNC couldn’t fix that without sending home everybody they had to work with that bobol system while trying to fix it but unfortunately they was removed from office before the work was done and PNM get back in office and the bobol continue

So the UNC make their own system in 5 years.??
For all the highlighting you highlighting high light the airport.

Light -wrong is wrong.We have no systems in place to prevent systemic corruption.So UNC PNM NAR all are culpable for the way things are now.

All Men of Straw.


Later

TheLight
02-04-2010, 05:26 PM
So the UNC make their own system in 5 years.??
For all the highlighting you highlighting high light the airport.

Light -wrong is wrong.We have no systems in place to prevent systemic corruption.So UNC PNM NAR all are culpable for the way things are now.

All Men of Straw.


Later


You want to talk about the airport, talk about the airport, last time I check people was making jail for what happen at the airport, but how no one in the PNM making jail for these corruptions?

Corruption in CEPEP
$70 million in NEDCO
$100 million in National Housing Authority refurbishment
$1 billion unaccounted for by National Housing Authority
$2 billion in red by Water And Sewage Authority
$400 million in cost overrun in Scarborough Regional Hospital.

$500 million Health Sector corruption scandal under Minister of Health John Rahael including the corrupt CDAP with his family involvement


1960 Lock Joint scandal;
1970 John O’Halloran and Francis Prevatt;


1980 $1 billion cost overrun and corruption in the Twin Towers, Hall of Justice and Eric Williams Sciences Complex.

1990 BWIA with the Ed Acker scandal, Powergen,

1995 WASA Severn Trent

$100 million Project Pride involving Hazel Manning

$250 million LABIDCO and Caroni Racing Complex

$1 billion Tarouba Stadium

Redman
02-05-2010, 08:15 AM
I agree-but dont make it seem like the UNC was not as bad as the PNM, just to score cheap shallow PNM vs UNC brownie points.

The issue I believe is that like expenditure expanding to meet income-corruption will grow to the limits allowed by the system.
SO whether UNC PNM NAR OR COP at the end of the day we will get the same result because there is no accountability and enforcement.

The UNC was just wasnt strong enough to stay feeding at the trough.


Later

TheLight
02-05-2010, 09:09 AM
I agree-but dont make it seem like the UNC was not as bad as the PNM, just to score cheap shallow PNM vs UNC brownie points.

The issue I believe is that like expenditure expanding to meet income-corruption will grow to the limits allowed by the system.
SO whether UNC PNM NAR OR COP at the end of the day we will get the same result because there is no accountability and enforcement.

The UNC was just wasnt strong enough to stay feeding at the trough.


Later

You can’t compare the unfortunate events of the airport to 40 years of PNM thieving, is two oil boom the PNM thief out and not one man make jail for it…..as yet!

TheLight
02-05-2010, 09:16 AM
Manning asking us to pay more property tax but can’t provide a basic commodity as water, what a disgrace

sylvestter
02-05-2010, 04:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOF3nZ3eaf8
interesting...

bigzack
02-05-2010, 05:05 PM
Yuh talk bout gallery. We know gallery in Trinidad boy.

Look at WASA Water Gestapo.

http://guardian.co.tt/files/imagecache/article_main_image_stretched/articles/images/Is%20it%20time%20yet.png
WASA’s Security Services manager Mervyn Pierre checks the time on his watch moments before WASA’s estate police patrolled the Goodwood Park community, Westmoorings, yesterday. PHOTO: AKILE SIMON

guyguy
02-05-2010, 05:14 PM
bigzack and anyone else,
I'm unclear about the following an would appreciate some type of cogent explanation:
Which entity in T&T has the State's authority to make arrests? Is it the TTPS, WASA "police" or any other private or quasi-governmental body? I cannot comprehend being arrested or charged for anything by anyone other than a recognized member of the TTPS. Is there some Constitutional mandate that allows this? If not, then isn't any arrest or charge by "police" other than TTPS unconstitutional, a trampling of a citizen's Constitutional rights and therefore, unenforceable?

bigzack
02-05-2010, 05:26 PM
bigzack and anyone else,
I'm unclear about the following an would appreciate some type of cogent explanation:
Which entity in T&T has the State's authority to make arrests? Is it the TTPS, WASA "police" or any other private or quasi-governmental body? I cannot comprehend being arrested or charged for anything by anyone other than a recognized member of the TTPS. Is there some Constitutional mandate that allows this? If not, then isn't any arrest or charge by "police" other than TTPS unconstitutional, a trampling of a citizen's Constitutional rights and therefore, unenforceable?

GuyGuy

I could only goh from my experience.

I remember when Public Transport Service Corporation (PTSC) Police used tuh "arrest" people for infractions in the Bus Terminus and bring them to Besson Street for we tuh write up the charge for them. I suspect that this still goes on. The Estate Police could make the arrest, but the actual charging and processing has to be done by the TTPS.

Any citizen in Trinidad could make an arrest if he or she witnesses a crime in progress.

There was a time in POS when citizens used tuh run down thieves in port-of-spain and detain them until the police come. That detention was in fact an arrest.

In this WASA case, I presume that the WASA police could write you a ticket, or swear out a summons for these minor infractions, but if one becomes belligerent, and violence is involved, then they could make an arrest.

Of course, there are also jurisdictional boundaries. Their "precept" or "powers of arrest" would also be limited to the jurisdictional boundaries in which they operate.

guyguy
02-05-2010, 05:55 PM
Thanks bigzack.
I understand the concept of a citizen's arrest, such as your example of people chasing thieves in Port-of-Spain and detaining them until the TTPS arrived. What I don't get is whether or not these para-policemen are making citizen's arrests or acting under the auspices of the State's authority. I don't think they can since T&T's Constitution does make provisions for this type of para-military entity. If they write a ticket then the recipient can simply throw it away since it really wouldn't have any State sanction, or more importantly, Constitutional teeth. What authority do these people have to issue a warrant since this legal instrument can only be issued by the State?

Redman
02-05-2010, 09:24 PM
Yet despite that the UNC did enough crap to lose the mandate and the majority the electorate gave them.

To be able to counteract that with 1 stint in office is a pretty strong act to follow.

PNM=UNC or UNC-PNM=0


Same ***** -only softer


Light you arguing hair color on the same mangy dog.


Later

Wayne
02-06-2010, 01:00 AM
Dem security guard does tink dat dey is police.

Slider
02-06-2010, 06:01 AM
It was a huge embarrassment for Imbert and the party to have Rowdy vote with the UNC on the WASA bill.

We had a long party meeting on Wednesday and then one after Parliament tonight. Lots of stormy things words. Lots of people are upset.

The main aim of calling an early election was to get rid of Rowdy. Now with Kamla winning the internal elections we have to analyze what impact that has. This might give Rowdy a lifeline. He is a thorn

We already had a name of someone for that constituency

skl
02-06-2010, 06:48 AM
It was a huge embarrassment for Imbert and the party to have Rowdy vote with the UNC on the WASA bill.

nobody in tha meeting thinks that the water shortage is also an embarrassment ?

I think u should be concerned about the effect of a water crisis in the middle of an election

TheLight
02-06-2010, 11:49 AM
Increase water rate coming soon!

SilverEagle
02-06-2010, 12:12 PM
Cracks appearing in the dam...

Maccogirl
02-06-2010, 12:29 PM
They looking for people filling dey swimming pools, now how the hell do they feel people do that with a hose ?rofl

Falcon
02-06-2010, 12:31 PM
never see come see knife and fork indian in Valsayn does do that.

Wayne
02-06-2010, 03:26 PM
never see come see knife and fork indian in Valsayn does do that.

Somebody in Trinidad that I know had said "Dem nevah see come see,knife and fork *#@*#@ in Valsyn does do dat"..................now thanks to Falcon I know now what they meant.

Slider
02-06-2010, 03:43 PM
Light, water rates in 1st world nations are higher than in T&T. Expect the price of things to go up.

bigzack
02-06-2010, 04:03 PM
Light, water rates in 1st world nations are higher than in T&T. Expect the price of things to go up.

They say Light living someway in the first World.

Ah want tuh know which country, which city, which street, and under which rock.

When I get mih water bill in December, ah see ah hah tuh pay $199.00 (TT) fuh three months. Ah say wey the arse is this? Dah is all?

Slider
02-06-2010, 04:20 PM
That is like US$12/month

If you tell Americans that they will say T&T is paradise

bigzack
02-06-2010, 04:26 PM
That is like US$12/month

If you tell Americans that they will say T&T is paradise

Ah telling yuh.

Dah is the price ah one cup ah coffee by Starbucks.

snowbird
02-06-2010, 04:49 PM
Thanks bigzack.
I understand the concept of a citizen's arrest, such as your example of people chasing thieves in Port-of-Spain and detaining them until the TTPS arrived. What I don't get is whether or not these para-policemen are making citizen's arrests or acting under the auspices of the State's authority. I don't think they can since T&T's Constitution does make provisions for this type of para-military entity. If they write a ticket then the recipient can simply throw it away since it really wouldn't have any State sanction, or more importantly, Constitutional teeth. What authority do these people have to issue a warrant since this legal instrument can only be issued by the State?

Sounds like these 'para-police' are very much like our 'By law Enforcement Officers'....they are municipally licensed, and can only act within certain 'municipal' boundaries; they do things like check for illegally erected structures; hand out tickets for dogs running around un-leashed, barking dogs causing a nuisance, ‘poop and scoup not being done… and yes, in the height of summer if it is extremely dry, checking to make sure there are no 'illegal outdoor fires; if we ever go on 'odd day even day’ for lawn watering. they will drive around to make sure that you are watering on the correct day; our parking enforcement officers also fall under that category….municipal..

Wayne
02-06-2010, 05:09 PM
39293930 Is Carnival Season and dey having Water Wars?.............Make haste and build dat dam Desalination Plant and stop all ah dat WASA bobol.........

slick
02-06-2010, 11:51 PM
Areas in Central Trinidad without water for over 2 days now...

Angie
02-07-2010, 09:04 AM
My youngest sister lives in Preysal and 4 days now they have no water.

Maccogirl
02-07-2010, 09:50 AM
The place dam hot and dry, so if we don't get rain soon plenty people will be out of water and from all reports we are not the only Caribbean island that is feeling this dry season.

SilverEagle
02-07-2010, 10:12 AM
Mih poor plants...

atma
02-07-2010, 10:38 AM
That is like US$12/month

If you tell Americans that they will say T&T is paradise

See if you get the same response when you tell them if they dig a well on their property they still have to pay for water nah

bigzack
02-07-2010, 10:50 AM
See if you get the same response when you tell them if they dig a well on their property they still have to pay for water nah

Nah. If yuh dig ah well on yuh property yuh doh hah tuh pay fuh water.

Buh hear what they does do.

They does re-assess yuh property at ah higher value.

And based on that higher value, yuh does pay higher annual property taxes.

So yuh really doh get away from paying some kinda money.

atma
02-07-2010, 11:12 AM
Nah. If yuh dig ah well on yuh property yuh doh hah tuh pay fuh water.

Buh hear what they does do.

They does re-assess yuh property at ah higher value.

And based on that higher value, yuh does pay higher annual property taxes.

So yuh really doh get away from paying some kinda money.
If you drill the well and still paying water how is that increasing the value of the home since yuh still have to pay WASA ?

bigzack
02-07-2010, 11:27 AM
If you drill the well and still paying water how is that increasing the value of the home since yuh still have to pay WASA ?

I thought that you were talking about the reactions of Americans since you cited the following:


If you tell Americans that they will say T&T is paradise

In America every amenity yuh add tuh yuh house, is increased assessment in yuh pweffen.

TheLight
02-07-2010, 11:41 AM
Light, water rates in 1st world nations are higher than in T&T. Expect the price of things to go up.

Yes I know, but they does get water eh! and yuh know minimum wage in 1st world nations are higher than in T&T too!

bigzack
02-07-2010, 11:47 AM
Well ah see Light come on the "Water Woes" thread, and ah hold mih head and bawl.

Ah thought he was goh say that the radiator in the car wey Manning make ah profit off ah Dole Chadee leaking, and dey cyar get water tuh put in it.

raider
02-07-2010, 12:02 PM
Light, water rates in 1st world nations are higher than in T&T. Expect the price of things to go up.

how can you charge first world prices for fourth world service?

people are getting charged by wasa for using rainwater, while wasa cannot or will not supply them with water that they pay for everry month.

someone should start a class action lawsuit against wasa.

bigzack
02-07-2010, 12:08 PM
how can you charge first world prices for fourth world service?

People living near here look like they getting 4th world water service?

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object2/1068/116/n84602967852_4833.jpg

bigzack
02-07-2010, 01:33 PM
Blame Manning fuh not building up we infrastructure tuh distribute water tuh we people and dem.

But

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35235699/ns/weather/

Blame GOD fuh not sending we enough water.


PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad - Water levels are dropping quickly in several Caribbean countries, prompting officials to limit availability and impose restrictions as the region enters its dry season.

In Trinidad, people caught watering their gardens or washing their cars face fines and court appearances, said Ellen Lewis, Water and Sewage Authority spokeswoman.

"It is the first time since 1998 that the authority has decided to rigidly enforce the law," she said.

Dah is why Chief Zack from the Gonzalogo Tribe in Northern Trinidad start doing ah rain dance fuh ah Kamla/UNC win.

Since Saltwater, Snow, and Saltfish (A..A, the three Ss) feel that Kamla could walk on water, I want GOD tuh send enough water tuh help she brakes she next fall.

PS: Ah only doing ah rain dance fuh rain eh. She goh hah tuh buy the pipe fuh sheself.

Maccogirl
02-07-2010, 01:36 PM
Nah in T&T dey does do it like this :D

3938

atma
02-07-2010, 01:51 PM
People living near here look like they getting 4th world water service?

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object2/1068/116/n84602967852_4833.jpg

1.2 million people livin in dey ? carry on

atma
02-07-2010, 01:56 PM
I thought that you were talking about the reactions of Americans since you cited the following:



In America every amenity yuh add tuh yuh house, is increased assessment in yuh pweffen.
which gives a return on your investment.Which I am sure is way more than ther money you put out and saving on bills.
The same is not true if yuh do it in Trinidad so it eh paradise

shield_2006
02-07-2010, 02:47 PM
Not all wet
Looking like a quilt in this aerial shot, green or brown circles show the coverage of center-pivot irrigators.As we in water-rich countries take our daily showers, water the lawn or laze about in the pool, it's easy to forget that fresh water is a life-or-death issue in many parts of the world.

Of a population of roughly 6.1 billion, more than 1 billion lack access to potable water. The World Health Organization says that at any time, up to half of humanity has one of the six main diseases -- diarrhea, schistosomiasis, or trachoma, or infestation with ascaris, guinea worm, or hookworm -- associated with poor drinking water and inadequate sanitation. About 5 million people die each year from poor drinking water, poor sanitation, or a dirty home environment -- often resulting from water shortage (see "Tackling the Big Three" in the bibliography).

Parched places
One glance at the map tells you that water is shortest in equatorial countries, often where populations are rising. (Population data below from Population Reference Bureau).

water shortage map showing regions where water scarcity occurs

China, with 1.26 billion people, is "the one area worrying most people most of the time," says Marq de Villiers, author of the recently published "Water " (see bibliography). 'water drop guy' says: Overpumping is causing the water table in dry Northern China to drop a meter a year.In dry Northern China, he says, "the water table is dropping one meter per year due to overpumping, and the Chinese admit that 300 cities are running short. They are diverting water from agriculture and farmers are going out of business." Some Chinese rivers are so polluted with heavy metals that they can't be used for irrigation, he adds.

"They're disgraceful, unusable, industrial sewers," says de Villiers. As farmers go out of business, China will have to import more food.

In India, home to 1.002 billion people, key aquifers are being overpumped, and the soil is growing saltier through contamination with irrigation water. Irrigation was a key to increasing food production in India during the green revolution, and as the population surges toward a projected 1.363 billion in 2025, its crops will continue to depend on clean water and clean soil.

Israel (population 6.2 million), invented many water-conserving technologies, but water withdrawals still exceed resupply. Overpumping of aquifers along the coast is allowing seawater to pollute drinking water. Like neighboring Jordan, Israel is largely dependent on the Jordan River for fresh water.

world map showing the rivers of the world in white, against black continents

Water Fight
Egypt, whose population of 68 million may reach 97 million by 2025, gets essentially no rainfall. map of the region surrounding the Nile river, including Egypt, Sudan, and EthiopiaAll agriculture is irrigated by seasonal floods from the Nile River, and from water stored behind the Aswan High Dam. Any interference with water flow by Sudan or Ethiopia could starve Egypt.

"The Nile is one I worry about," says Sandra Postel, director of the Global Water Policy Project. Egypt, she says, is militarily powerful but vulnerable. "The hydropolitics might favor some military action, because Egypt is so heavily dependent on the Nile, it's already virtually tapping out the supply, and Ethiopia is now getting interested in developing the headwaters."

When a World Bank official suggested several years ago that water wars are not far off, he might have had Egypt on his mind -- or Turkey, Syria and Iraq, another trio of Middle-Eastern states that are locked in an uncomfortable embrace over water.

The Tigris and Euphrates Rivers both rise in Turkey and flow unimpeded to Syria and Iraq, where they provide the bulk of irrigation water needed in the arid climate. Turkey has proposed a series of dams that would reduce river flow. That causes alarm downstream.

map of middle east showing Tigres and Euphrates river and the countries they pass through

A working river
International water politics play a role in the Southwestern United States, where the Colorado River is shared by many states before its dregs trickle into Mexico. All along the river, water is diverted for irrigation and urban water -- with Arizona and California the biggest users. Because Mexico uses the dribble of water that reaches it for irrigation, virtually nothing reaches the river's once-fertile -- and now parched and polluted -- delta on the Sea of Cortez.

The Colorado may be completely allocated, but the Southwest continues booming. According to one estimate, five of the 10 fastest-growing U.S. states are in the river's drainage. The water the newcomers drink is likely to come from farmers who now receive subsidized river water.

The rivers we've mentioned are some of the 200 and 300 major lakes and rivers that transcend national boundaries. The list includes such major items as the Nile, the Amur River between Russia and parched northern China, the Niger in Africa, and the Mekong, Indus and Ganges in Asia.

http://whyfiles.org/131fresh_water/2.html


LEARN SOMETHING

raider
02-07-2010, 03:53 PM
^^^ here we go with the usual pnm deflection tactics.

we not talking about the world here; we talking about flikkin trinidad. a blasted island surrounded by water.

where in quarry village you get water in the pipe twice a week. where people living up the hill come with their barrels in their box carts to the standpipe to ensure they have water at their homes.

a country where people paying water rate and not getting a drop of water for months at a time.

a crying shame.

TheLight
02-07-2010, 05:50 PM
$260 billion done and PNM can't even provide water on a island surrounded by water.....what a stinking shame!

SilverEagle
02-07-2010, 06:44 PM
Water startin' tuh leak through de cracks...

Wayne
02-07-2010, 07:12 PM
How about Venezuela laying some pipe and sending drinking water into Trinidad?

Sly1
02-07-2010, 07:34 PM
Look if dem people down Siparia way doe vote rite, dey expect water?:)

bigzack
02-07-2010, 10:41 PM
^^^ here we go with the usual pnm deflection tactics.

we not talking about the world here; we talking about flikkin trinidad. a blasted island surrounded by water.

So all of ah sudden we cyar compare 3rd world Trinidad tuh them fuss world countries?

Redman
02-07-2010, 11:12 PM
^^^ here we go with the usual pnm deflection tactics.

we not talking about the world here; we talking about flikkin trinidad. a blasted island surrounded by water.

where in quarry village you get water in the pipe twice a week. where people living up the hill come with their barrels in their box carts to the standpipe to ensure they have water at their homes.

a country where people paying water rate and not getting a drop of water for months at a time.

a crying shame.


How does a snapshot of whats happening in the rest of the world turn into a deflection tactic.??
So information is invalid unless it supports a party line ?
Steups

defining your arguments by party line is productive how??

Can you or light suggest a way forward instead of making this an anti PNM thing?

Can anybody point to the UNC track record in the past that makes this a party issue-have they tried to raise this issue BEFORE it was an obvious one?
No -theve been spending their time playing petty politics-collecting their salary to preen and say yes to Bas.
No content, nothing innovative, nada-nothing but sound bites.
MEN OF STRAW


IMHO
I would suggest that if the transmission is an issue -drill more wells and run new small grids that by pass the existing deficient grid.Envision a series of satelite grids set up to service an area-

Enhance the existing transmission grid as much as possible.
Stop the leaks
WHere feasible get alternative sources and purification systems in place.
Stop the leaks
Establish and enforce building codes.-Recycling,use of grey water has reached the necessary price points. All new buildings designed to reduce water and power consumption.-If we reduce the growth in consumption its a start.
Stop the leaks
Begin to plan for more capture of surface water with a mind to replenishing the aquifers and maintenance of our aquifers.
Stop the blasted leaks
Begin an earnest dialogue with the public-become partners with your customers instead of being the problem. Its OUR water you wasting.

And Stop the leaks.



Later

bigzack
02-07-2010, 11:22 PM
IMHO
I would suggest that if the transmission is an issue -drill more wells and run new small grids that by pass the existing deficient grid.Envision a series of satelite grids set up to service an area-

Enhance the existing transmission grid as much as possible.
Stop the leaks
WHere feasible get alternative sources and purification systems in place.
Stop the leaks
Establish and enforce building codes.-Recycling,use of grey water has reached the necessary price points. All new buildings designed to reduce water and power consumption.-If we reduce the growth in consumption its a start.
Stop the leaks
Begin to plan for more capture of surface water with a mind to replenishing the aquifers and maintenance of our aquifers.
Stop the blasted leaks
Begin an earnest dialogue with the public-become partners with your customers instead of being the problem. Its OUR water you wasting.

And Stop the leaks.



Later

Redman

You making so much sense dey, that WASA should hire you as a consultant.

Oh, they could hire them anti-PNM fellas as consultants too yuh know.

But they goh hah tuh drop some letters from dey official designation.

raider
02-08-2010, 12:44 AM
redman,

apparently you never drove along the creek in the unc days. you did'nt see the big water pipes they were putting in?

when the unc was in power, quarry used to get pipe borne water seven days a week. what happen to that?

i wish there was some way to compare the water output from wasa under both governments. from the ole talk i hear, i have no way of confirming or denying it so i'll leave it at ole talk, people might be surprised.

Redman
02-08-2010, 08:08 AM
redman,

apparently you never drove along the creek in the unc days. you did'nt see the big water pipes they were putting in?

when the unc was in power, quarry used to get pipe borne water seven days a week. what happen to that?

i wish there was some way to compare the water output from wasa under both governments. from the ole talk i hear, i have no way of confirming or denying it so i'll leave it at ole talk, people might be surprised.

Well Im from Point- So yes I have-but Ive also been a first hand witness to the work done under this incarnation of the PNM and its been pretty hectic

the volume of work in WASA in the 5 years up to Dec 2008 was unprecedented-so I would suggest that both admins dis something-and its impossible to quantify.

So before you label me a deflectionist and or an apologist (like Jack WArner said call me anything -just dont call me a PNM (or a UNC)) the real issue is that ANY govt that comes into power is confronted with an organization that has a dysfunctional CULTURE ingrained into how business is done..

And the govt is tasked with getting this MAMMOTH organization to get going-I believe that it would take a fool not to see that any govt that provides water for all really would have a massive leg up in any election.

BUT they are confronted with an organization that is rotten top to bottom.To change that AND still operate is next to impossible. This water crisis is a symptom of the attempt to change.

So each party comes in and feels that they can do it-switch out the mgt and then gives it a whirl. Only to fall flat when NOTHING is as it should be,.

To be frank The model and the culture is broken.

Its not a party issue it is a PEOPLE issue-T&TEC, is the same thing.

The plants being build in Pt Lisas are the same thing -short cuts at ALL levels

We dont have a culture of accountability-this is what we get.


Later

Beetle
02-08-2010, 08:27 AM
The money wasted on the 2 summits could have gone a long way in resolving the water problem

Yuh know, this is what I have been posting about these summits for so long now, and some of the responses to my posts from obvious PNMites here on the forum gave me a good idea as to why things are the way they are in Trinidad - I read their responses to the simple logic that you don't spend the kind of money on 2 summits that could build a new hospital; then I began to understand the reason why this PNM governments thinks it is ok to prioritise things like big blinging buildings, super luxury accomodation for the PM and freeco summit fetes - it is a similar mentality to the people living below the poverty who wear only expensive "brands" like Nike, Gucci, etc, and who must have the latest cell phones/Blackberries while they don't know for sure where their next meal is coming from, and their cupboards in the house they renting for years is bare.

Now before some ar$e come here and say that I criticising all poor people let me just say ..... oh nevermind !

bigzack
02-08-2010, 08:45 AM
Beetle

Like yuh ent read what Redman say or what?

Unlike you, Light and the other blowhards, I have seen Redman take on both PNM and UNC and dey fanatic supporters on this board, including me.

Redman say that no amount ah money invested in WASA could solve the present bad administration and rotten corporate culture.

Oh gorsh all yuh discuss that nah man?

Is only PNM this, and PNM that, as if UNC goh be any better.

Judging from what Redman say, the only way UNC could make WASA better, is tuh build ah courthouse and ah jail right on the WASA main compound, and lock up all the incompetents and them.

Maccogirl
02-08-2010, 10:40 AM
Well I listened to the minister of public utilities talk about 12b racket in WASA during the Ganga Singh time, has any member of the UNC addressed this accusation. The minister in parliament was busy calling out figures on the day Kamla fell down on the job, it was interesting to listen to because all of a sudden Mr. Singh came out of the woodwork talking to the media of all the ills of WASA, hence the PNM minister was replying to what Singh told the papers.

I would hope that Kamla or someone in the UNC address this matter for clarification sake, but it seems to me right now they busy looking for votes in Panday's constituency, even though they tell us daily that UNC supporters growing now that Panday gone rofl

Solachica
02-08-2010, 10:47 AM
we had no water this weekend :(

saltwater
02-08-2010, 10:50 AM
Well Im from Point- So yes I have-but Ive also been a first hand witness to the work done under this incarnation of the PNM and its been pretty hectic

the volume of work in WASA in the 5 years up to Dec 2008 was unprecedented-so I would suggest that both admins dis something-and its impossible to quantify.

So before you label me a deflectionist and or an apologist (like Jack WArner said call me anything -just dont call me a PNM (or a UNC)) the real issue is that ANY govt that comes into power is confronted with an organization that has a dysfunctional CULTURE ingrained into how business is done..

And the govt is tasked with getting this MAMMOTH organization to get going-I believe that it would take a fool not to see that any govt that provides water for all really would have a massive leg up in any election.

BUT they are confronted with an organization that is rotten top to bottom.To change that AND still operate is next to impossible. This water crisis is a symptom of the attempt to change.

So each party comes in and feels that they can do it-switch out the mgt and then gives it a whirl. Only to fall flat when NOTHING is as it should be,.

To be frank The model and the culture is broken.

Its not a party issue it is a PEOPLE issue-T&TEC, is the same thing.

The plants being build in Pt Lisas are the same thing -short cuts at ALL levels

We dont have a culture of accountability-this is what we get.


Later

Redman, I agree with this. It is the dysfunctional culture that exist from top to bottom in WASA and other state run companies. The non-PNM apologists and supporters are not disputing what you are saying, they are arguing that the PNM implemented and supported this culture as the norm and now this very culture is the cause for these behemoths to be like a huge incurable disease in the nation's ass and the only people benefiting are PNM party hacks in the form of employees, contractors, consultants and executives. Meanwhile, plenty regular citizens have to beg, buy and/or protest to get a bucket of water.

bigzack
02-08-2010, 10:59 AM
and the only people benefiting are PNM party hacks in the form of employees, contractors, consultants and executives.

How you could stay in yuh Ivory towers in Queens, and know that?

Yuh see money, it ent hah no political affiliation.

Yuh think that it ent hah UNC people profitting off the corruption in WASA?

And yuh think if them same UNC people feel that a UNC government goh mash up dey living, dat they ent goh vote fuh UNC.

Listen tuh Redman nah?

He telling yuh that PNM tried and couldn't stop the corruption. UNC tried and couldn't stop it either.

Buh like stick break in yuh ears, or what?

TheLight
02-08-2010, 11:00 AM
Well I listened to the minister of public utilities talk about 12b racket in WASA during the Ganga Singh time, has any member of the UNC addressed this accusation. The minister in parliament was busy calling out figures on the day Kamla fell down on the job, it was interesting to listen to because all of a sudden Mr. Singh came out of the woodwork talking to the media of all the ills of WASA, hence the PNM minister was replying to what Singh told the papers.

I would hope that Kamla or someone in the UNC address this matter for clarification sake, but it seems to me right now they busy looking for votes in Panday's constituency, even though they tell us daily that UNC supporters growing now that Panday gone rofl

The PNM said the UNC is ah bunch ah ole teef they can’t even run ah market stall in Penal market, gee we the wuk we go tek yuh fuss world. So tell me now what has the PNM done in the past 9 years to improve the water supply?

Maccogirl
02-08-2010, 11:01 AM
I think we are beyond discussing WASA, the fact of the matter is we are having no rain and it seems as if none will be coming for weeks. We can all discuss who thief, who lie whatever, but we are now faced with a very serious issue no rain, and unless someone has some magic beans to make rain we are all going to feel this big time.

So all who cussing WASA and the PNM on their political agendas that will not change the price of coco now, rather than hold your party line I hope we are all doing our dam part to save some water, and not saying like some PNM mess up WASA so me ent care I using water like it have no tomorrow.

TheLight
02-08-2010, 11:13 AM
defining your arguments by party line is productive how??

Can you or light suggest a way forward instead of making this an anti PNM thing?

Can anybody point to the UNC track record in the past that makes this a party issue-have they tried to raise this issue BEFORE it was an obvious one?
No -theve been spending their time playing petty politics-collecting their salary to preen and say yes to Bas.
No content, nothing innovative, nada-nothing but sound bites.
MEN OF STRAW

Later



Straw Man, I don't know if you was living in a hole during the UNC term but the UNC did built a DESAL Plant and diverted 27 million gallons of drinkable water that was going to the Pt. Lisas estate to residential costumers

if wasn't for that the water crisis would have been even worst

saltwater
02-08-2010, 11:14 AM
How you could stay in yuh Ivory towers in Queens, and know that?

Yuh see money, it ent hah no political affiliation.

Yuh think that it ent hah UNC people profitting off the corruption in WASA?

And yuh think if them same UNC people feel that a UNC government goh mash up dey living, dat they ent goh vote fuh UNC.

Listen tuh Redman nah?

He telling yuh that PNM tried and couldn't stop the corruption. UNC tried and couldn't stop it either.

Buh like stick break in yuh ears, or what?

My ears was not made for stick and I did listen to Redman. Read over my comments nah.

bigzack
02-08-2010, 11:19 AM
My ears was not made for stick

Wah part ah yuh make fuh stick?

Vinayaka
02-08-2010, 11:26 AM
The Water in T&T is considered the property of WASA. So the law of the land is that you have to pay a quarterly water rate.

In areas where there is a lack of water, WASA trucks will deliver for you (and you don't have to pay them). All you do is call WASA and tell them you want water and they will send a truck for you.

Also once you live within a certain range of a stand pipe you are considered to be "receiving pipe borne water."

BS....Pipe I understand, however, if you have down spouts and water tanks collecting each year all year, WASA can't tax yuh fuh dat! Alyuh complaining bout drought drought, how many of you collects all that rain water that run off when alyuh complaining bout floods? :rolleyes:

TheLight
02-08-2010, 11:31 AM
I think we are beyond discussing WASA, the fact of the matter is we are having no rain and it seems as if none will be coming for weeks. We can all discuss who thief, who lie whatever, but we are now faced with a very serious issue no rain, and unless someone has some magic beans to make rain we are all going to feel this big time.

So all who cussing WASA and the PNM on their political agendas that will not change the price of coco now, rather than hold your party line I hope we are all doing our dam part to save some water, and not saying like some PNM mess up WASA so me ent care I using water like it have no tomorrow.

The problem is not water, the problem is PNM, let me say it again, The problem is not water, the problem is PNM.

Instead they take the money they wasted on the 2 summits and fix WASA oh no, let us wine & dine Obama & The Queen, couldn't they build some retaining dam? they don't know how much water we need if rain don't fall for year?
The problem is not water, the problem is PNM, why build NAPA when you can't even provide water?

The problem is not water, the problem is PNM, why build Tarouba Stadium when you can't provide water?

Maccogirl
02-08-2010, 11:40 AM
So if PNM was moved today will we get rain instantly, because is rain we want now to fill the dams:rolleyes:

saltwater
02-08-2010, 11:55 AM
Wah part ah yuh make fuh stick?

Certainly not my ears.
But doh go changing the topic.

TheLight
02-08-2010, 11:58 AM
So if PNM was moved today will we get rain instantly, because is rain we want now to fill the dams:rolleyes:

No, we need enough dams to retain water for 1.3 million people if rain doesn’t fall for a year
Tell me what PNM has done to improve our water supply in the past 9 years?

bigzack
02-08-2010, 12:50 PM
Tell me what PNM has done to improve our water supply in the past 9 years?

Seeing that yuh damn harden, ah goh hah to hit yuh with ah "Redman say".

Redman say:


Well Im from Point- So yes I have-but Ive also been a first hand witness to the work done under this incarnation of the PNM and its been pretty hectic

TheLight
02-08-2010, 01:16 PM
Seeing that yuh damn harden, ah goh hah to hit yuh with ah "Redman say".

Redman say:

Thanks for telling me that after 9 years of PNM you have no first hand knowledge of what the PNM has done to improve the water supply

bigzack
02-08-2010, 01:23 PM
Thanks for telling me that after 9 years of PNM you have no first hand knowledge of what the PNM has done to improve the water supply

Why should I know that?

Knowing that goh put food on my table?

When I don't know I defer to people who know.

Ah doh play de arse and pretend that ah know, like you know who.

TheLight
02-08-2010, 06:20 PM
Why should I know that?

Knowing that goh put food on my table?

When I don't know I defer to people who know.

Ah doh play de arse and pretend that ah know, like you know who.

That is how dotish you PNM supporters are you don't know what the PNM doing with our money but you supporting them, you ain't shame? wait! PNMites don't know what is that

Wayne
02-08-2010, 06:21 PM
I just had a conversation with my father-in-law in Trinidad and he told me that there are no water problems in Woodbrook where he resides..........Are these "water woes".........south of the Caroni River?.....who on the
Forum can be more specific?

bigzack
02-08-2010, 07:00 PM
That is how dotish you PNM supporters are you don't know what the PNM doing with our money but you supporting them, you ain't shame? wait! PNMites don't know what is that

Buh you is ah backside or what?

I listening tuh Redman and getting mih education and elucidation from he.

When it comes to knowledge about the WASA situation in Trinidad, he towers over you like the Hyatt tuh ah latrine in Sea Lots.

Redman
02-08-2010, 07:27 PM
Straw Man, I don't know if you was living in a hole during the UNC term but the UNC did built a DESAL Plant and diverted 27 million gallons of drinkable water that was going to the Pt. Lisas estate to residential costumers

if wasn't for that the water crisis would have been even worst

True-never said different Light.
But WASA (in your world aka PNM)has in fact drilled more wells ,layed more pipe ,re worked more of the network than any previous administration.
And they supposed to if you have a deteriorating network you need to run faster to stand still.

But every govt that came and went has done something to improve the situation.
What Im saying is that WE have a culture here in Tdad that insists that a PNM plan cannot be used in an UNC administration- and vice versa So every new govt brings a new direction. And new people So the continuity isnt there and this is a LONGTERM business.
We need a SOLID WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN-not politics
Youre stating that its a party thing - implying that there is a end result that is politically desired.So on the assumption that it IS a party thing -do tell me in your manifest wisdom what the goal could be?- denying water to those least likely to have 5000 Gallons of storage-that would be the base of the PNM party.
La Brea STILL dont have water.-and probably never will-and that is PNM central..

SO logically what youre saying is that the PNM is using WASA as a mechanism to inflict hardship on their own people-?

Brilliant.


Later

shield_2006
02-08-2010, 08:33 PM
Light--FACT--the production of the Caroni Arena Water Treatment Plant went from 75 million gallons a day to 60 million gallons a day after it was refurbished under Ganga Sing. What is worse is that they changed the filter medium from activated charcoal to sand and it resulted in the filter beds caving in on a constant basis until the entire thing had to be refurbished again. They spent a wad of money to refurbish the 52inchg transmission line to San Fernando and discovered that many valves were inaccessible due to squatting along the right of way in Chaguanas and parts south. They made no attempt to move them and I dare you to ask the PNM to do that.

I have the end of project report and I will retrieve it and give you some quotes from the Consultants and maybe-just maybe--you will see some LIGHT.

shield_2006
02-08-2010, 08:36 PM
Raider-breds--if you doh realise the state of the world's water supply and decide that the PNM at fault-I say-knock yuhslef out breds.

TheLight
02-08-2010, 08:54 PM
True-never said different Light.
But WASA (in your world aka PNM)has in fact drilled more wells ,layed more pipe ,re worked more of the network than any previous administration.

Brilliant.


Later

Brilliant!! can we have some water now then?

TheLight
02-08-2010, 08:58 PM
Buh you is ah backside or what?

I listening tuh Redman and getting mih education and elucidation from he. .

So you blaming redman for yuh dotishness now......wow!

bigzack
02-08-2010, 09:02 PM
Nice. So is Shield and Light, whose combined knowledge of WASA operations, who are making the most sense on this thread.

In fact, they making the only sense.

The others are just ah bunch of outta time, cacophonous bloviators, who really shouldn't have arses and elbows, cause they cyar tell de difference.

One ah dem used tuh only use water once ah week, buh he want tuh tell we how often water used tuh come wey he did begging ah lodging.

TheLight
02-08-2010, 09:05 PM
Light--FACT--the production of the Caroni Arena Water Treatment Plant went from 75 million gallons a day to 60 million gallons a day after it was refurbished under Ganga Sing. What is worse is that they changed the filter medium from activated charcoal to sand and it resulted in the filter beds caving in on a constant basis until the entire thing had to be refurbished again. They spent a wad of money to refurbish the 52inchg transmission line to San Fernando and discovered that many valves were inaccessible due to squatting along the right of way in Chaguanas and parts south. They made no attempt to move them and I dare you to ask the PNM to do that.

I have the end of project report and I will retrieve it and give you some quotes from the Consultants and maybe-just maybe--you will see some LIGHT.

Aside from yuh fluff and puff ole talk, can you tell me when PNM go provide a better supply of water as they promise during election?

bigzack
02-08-2010, 09:09 PM
So you blaming redman for yuh dotishness now......wow!

Buh who you goh blame fuh yours?

TheLight
02-08-2010, 09:13 PM
Nice. So is Shield and Light, whose combined knowledge of WASA operations, who are making the most sense on this thread.

In fact, they making the only sense.

The others are just ah bunch of outta time, cacophonous bloviators, who really shouldn't have arses and elbows, cause they cyar tell de difference.

One ah dem used tuh only use water once ah week, buh he want tuh tell we how often water used tuh come wey he did begging ah lodging.

Go tell Manning dem stop teefing we money nah, maybe dey go do something good with it and yuh cud tell mih look Manning dig ah hole and we go get 2 barrel ah water

bigzack
02-08-2010, 09:16 PM
A A, buh look at the mistake I make nah.


Nice. So is Shield and Light, whose combined knowledge of WASA operations, who are making the most sense on this thread.

Anytime the word "sense" or any word similar to "sense", is used in the same sentence as the word "Light", please delete the word "Light" and insert the word "Redman" instead.

e.g Light Sensor should be Redman Sensor.

TheLight
02-08-2010, 09:27 PM
A A, buh look at the mistake I make nah.



Anytime the word "sense" or any word similar to "sense", is used in the same sentence as the word "Light", please delete the word "Light" and insert the word "Redman" instead.

e.g Light Sensor should be Redman Sensor.

Sense to you is like WASA providing water under the PNM

Redman
02-08-2010, 09:41 PM
I would say just that...I went to live in Gulf View, La Romain in 1987 during the reign of the NAR...water every day of the week - along comes the PNM, water down to 3-4 days per week - UNC come to power, back to 24/7, back comes Manning, water for 3 or 4 days - I am not exaggerating; this is absolutely true - so who says the water supply is not political?


SO WASA workers and their families have water 24/7-and the people on the ground who are responsible for implementation of this secret nefarious plot dont live in any area that seing water trouble.

In your example jrwb you span 20 years- so the increase in population-faster in certain areas and the degradation of the network have nothing to do with the reduction in supply-its all politics.
OK I guess it cant be the same lack of maintenance and lack of consistent planning that shows itself in all our public sector operations.

There is a big difference between correlation and causality.

What Light and Co cant deny is that EVERY govt comes in to power with a clear understanding that if they decidedly improve the basic water supply they would be in power for ever.
Yet all have failed -as evidenced by the current situation and this thread.
But its a PNM thing.

Allyuh too sweet yes.


Later

TheLight
02-08-2010, 10:21 PM
What Light and Co cant deny is that EVERY govt comes in to power with a clear understanding that if they decidedly improve the basic water supply they would be in power for ever.
Yet all have failed -as evidenced by the current situation and this thread.
But its a PNM thing.

Strawman aside from the ole talk, UNC made the best effort to provide a reliable water supply for all, it was nothing short of a miracle after 35 years of PNM neglect, but due to “Spiritual & Moral value” they were removed from office by Robinson, not because of lack of water

Wayne
02-08-2010, 10:57 PM
Location:Vladivostok................a seaport in the Asian part of Russia

jrwb.........Do you think that you would like it there?;there is an abundance of COLD water there.

Solachica
02-09-2010, 06:57 AM
Couple days ago on radio the new head man at wasa was saying tht south and especially SW Trini had a lot of water problems and they are looking into it.

bigzack
02-09-2010, 05:16 PM
I just moved.

Somebody take ah purge?

Slider
02-09-2010, 05:54 PM
The man right by you eh ... make sure he not watching through your bedroom window or bathroom

Redman
02-09-2010, 06:07 PM
Strawman aside from the ole talk, UNC made the best effort to provide a reliable water supply for all, it was nothing short of a miracle after 35 years of PNM neglect, but due to “Spiritual & Moral value” they were removed from office by Robinson, not because of lack of water

So clarify for me what metrics(beside party rhetoric) that youve used to describe UNCs effort as THE BEST.


Light instead of calling names tell me what you would do if the UNC were to win and give you the portfolio of bringing water to the people.

jrwb-Didnt mean to imply that you said anything-its just that to imply that WASA ia a political tool is to establish that an end result is desired.
WASA is a broad blunt instrument to attain a political objective.

Later

TheLight
02-09-2010, 06:26 PM
Light instead of calling names tell me what you would do if the UNC were to win and give you the portfolio of bringing water to the people.


Later

Strawman, don't play the fool to deflect from the fact after 9 years and $260 billion later the PNM can't provide a reliable water supply

Wayne
02-09-2010, 06:38 PM
Like EVERYBODY who have water woes,will use REDMAN as the BLAME NAME............. the AFFLUENT..............They don't have water woes.

bigzack
02-09-2010, 06:38 PM
Strawman, don't play the fool to deflect from the fact after 9 years and $260 billion later the PNM can't provide a reliable water supply


Light instead of calling names tell me what you would do if the UNC were to win and give you the portfolio of bringing water to the people.

Minister of Hot Air would be appropriate for Light.

Yuh ask him ah simple question.

He could ah even put he answer in point form.

Hell, it even have a feature here fuh people whose writing ability has been stuck in the "scrawling with crayons" phase.

But he gih yuh nada......zippo.....zilch.

Add Minister of Gastrointestinal Fortidude tuh he portfolio.

Slider
02-09-2010, 06:52 PM
Zack at this hour of the day after the gym I done flex and stretch plenty muscles.

You giving me cramp with all this laughter

bigzack
02-09-2010, 06:56 PM
Zack at this hour of the day after the gym I done flex and stretch plenty muscles.

You giving me cramp with all this laughter

Slides

Fellas like Light and them is like fish in ah barrel.

Yuh does feel sorry fuh dem, but yuh hah tuh shoot them.

Society demands that yuh do it as ah civic duty.

Slider
02-09-2010, 06:59 PM
I hope Light's barrel has a filter and pump because all that kaka go just recycle through him

TheLight
02-09-2010, 07:07 PM
Minister of Hot Air would be appropriate for Light.

Yuh ask him ah simple question.

He could ah even put he answer in point form.

Hell, it even have a feature here fuh people whose writing ability has been stuck in the "scrawling with crayons" phase.

But he gih yuh nada......zippo.....zilch.

Add Minister of Gastrointestinal Fortidude tuh he portfolio.


You is the same fella who didn't have a clue what the PNM did in the past 9 years to improve the water supply right??

doh dig no horrors eh! ah just checking to see if ah have the right fool.

bigzack
02-09-2010, 07:12 PM
You is the same fella who didn't have a clue what the PNM did in the past 9 years to improve the water supply right??

De difference between me and you is, I say that ah didn't know.

You opened yuh mouth.


doh dig no horrors eh! ah just checking to see if ah have the right fool.

Yuh mirror is about the onliest thing that does speak the truth around you.

bigzack
02-09-2010, 07:14 PM
I hope Light's barrel has a filter and pump because all that kaka go just recycle through him

Heh...heh...heh.........

Ah feeling like Lara when he was WI Captain.

Ah goh appeal fuh Light.

Allyuh dropping too much bois on he noggin.

Redman
02-09-2010, 07:17 PM
Strawman, don't play the fool to deflect from the fact after 9 years and $260 billion later the PNM can't provide a reliable water supply

Light I am not disputing that sir.
That doesnt mean that they did nothing.
The UNC were equally unable to comprehensively solve this thing
Simply you cant prove that it is a Party thing.
Therefore your position is as hollow as some of the pipes that supposed to be filled with water.
And after 80 years of neglect the pipes probably filled with more useful material.

The only deflection here is your inability to answer my questions with anything but banal rhetoric.

Later

TheLight
02-09-2010, 07:22 PM
I hope Light's barrel has a filter and pump because all that kaka go just recycle through him

With the evidence of what coming out yuh mouth and they way WASA operating ah know yuh barrel have no water

bigzack
02-09-2010, 07:24 PM
Therefore your position is as hollow as some of the pipes that supposed to be filled with water.
And after 80 years of neglect the pipes probably filled with more useful material.

lol...lol...lol..lol...lol...lol.....

shield_2006
02-09-2010, 07:28 PM
It is obvious that only one other person in this thread has any inkling of the challenges to water supply and distribution in this country. There was a project called the Ground Water Project in which satellite imagery was used to find water in the bedrock. A former US Government Cabinet member was involved in it-the name escapes me at the moment--and a company in Trinidad called Lennox Petroleum. WELL-after substantial expenditure it delivered little or no water and Kansham and them try to hide the real facts of the situation.

It is true that WASA was badly managed in the last few years--and I say this having been in a position to advise the last CEO of WASA on his errant ways from inside and having observed the complete incompetence of that Management first hand. I can say a lot more but I will refrain to respect the confidentiality agreement I signed.

I will say this however-redman is so right when he declares that no Government to date has been able to comprehensively deal with this situation and I suspect that after the PR-Sultan Khan will be faced with the same dilemma

TheLight
02-09-2010, 07:31 PM
Light I am not disputing that sir.
That doesnt mean that they did nothing.
The UNC were equally unable to comprehensively solve this thing
Simply you cant prove that it is a Party thing.

Later

The UNC was there for just 6 years and built a DESAL plant which providing 27 million gallons of water, what has the PNM done in past 9 years and how has it improve the water supply?

TheLight
02-09-2010, 07:36 PM
It is true that WASA was badly managed in the last few years--and I say this having been in a position to advise the last CEO of WASA on his errant ways from inside and having observed the complete incompetence of that Management first hand. I can say a lot more but I will refrain to respect the confidentiality agreement I signed.


So you was part of the corruption? no wonder you support PNM

Wayne
02-09-2010, 07:55 PM
3997400040014002
Zack at this hour of the day after the gym I done flex and stretch plenty muscles.

You giving me cramp with all this laughter

eh?..............Slider

Slider
02-09-2010, 08:00 PM
Wayne, nothing toxic goes in my body. I exercise daily. None of them drinks for me.

Training, alco and smokes don't mix - I am not Ravi B

Redman
02-09-2010, 08:09 PM
Again


ok This PNM building 5 Desal plants.
Ergo by your uh..logic the PNM is 5 times as good as the UNC

Thats almost as senseless as your POV

Again you have anything to suggest as to how to improve things under a UNC govt?

Please dont tell me about the DESAL plant A friggin gain.

Later

Wayne
02-09-2010, 08:15 PM
Wayne, nothing toxic goes in my body. I exercise daily. None of them drinks for me.

Training, alco and smokes don't mix - I am not Ravi B

Slider,.........I agree....................me neither.

TheLight
02-09-2010, 10:03 PM
Again


ok This PNM building 5 Desal plants.
Ergo by your uh..logic the PNM is 5 times as good as the UNC

Thats almost as senseless as your POV

Again you have anything to suggest as to how to improve things under a UNC govt?

Please dont tell me about the DESAL plant A friggin gain.

Later

The ole talk aside, tell me what the PNM has done to improve the water supply since 2001 because it definitely worst than when the UNC was there

dancerboy
02-09-2010, 11:30 PM
I would say just that...I went to live in Gulf View, La Romain in 1987 during the reign of the NAR...water every day of the week - along comes the PNM, water down to 3-4 days per week - UNC come to power, back to 24/7, back comes Manning, water for 3 or 4 days - I am not exaggerating; this is absolutely true - so who says the water supply is not political?

JRWB my friend, which of these two posts is true ?. This, or the one immediately after it.

DANCERBOY

dancerboy
02-09-2010, 11:32 PM
Don't be ridiculous, Zack - no one understands the water situation in Trinidad - not even WASA and your friend Redman. If they did people would probably get a better supply, and we don't want that, do we?

JRWB my friend, which of these two posts is true, this one or the one immediately above it ?.

DANCERBOY

shield_2006
02-10-2010, 04:02 AM
Redman--is not LIGHT--it is tunnel vision--poor fella--he stymied by his political intent and anger--he sounds more and more like that forlorn sight, Panday.

shield_2006
02-10-2010, 04:04 AM
WASA has always been badly managed - I don't know what this nonsense is about the last few years. It has always been a den of corruption and incompetence, and that's why people can't get the bloody water, and God help them now...


DANCERBOY----and juxtapose this one to the two you quoted.

bigzack
02-10-2010, 08:42 AM
Yuh ketch him Dancerboy. Yuh ketch him.

lol....lol....lol...lol...lol....

bigzack
02-10-2010, 08:46 AM
WASA has always been badly managed - I don't know what this nonsense is about the last few years. It has always been a den of corruption and incompetence, and that's why people can't get the bloody water, and God help them now...

I think dah fella called JRWB dive down head fuss into the "bloody water".

He muss be living in Tampax Bay.

But dat might explain his lack of coherence.

But look on the bright side, Sarah Palin take up he cause.

dancerboy
02-10-2010, 08:48 AM
Yuh ketch him Dancerboy. Yuh ketch him.

lol....lol....lol...lol...lol....

I could say ah ketch him wit he pants down but, wit the shortage ah water, that stinks to high heavens.

DANCERBOY

SilverEagle
02-10-2010, 09:02 AM
Watch nonesense...



PM CAUGHT
WASA orders staff at Manning's residence to stop watering lawn immediately


Clear water gushed from more than four plant sprinklers over the lawn grass at Prime Minister Patrick Manning’s residence yesterday at St Ann’s.
The sprinklers sprayed the backyard of the PM’s official home from as early as 9 a.m. and poured gallons of water to keep the slightly blotchy lawns green for almost half-hour.
But as the water flowed from Manning’s residence, residents living nearby had no water coming through their taps.
The sprinklers showered the PM’s lawn at a time when many parts of the country have been enduring days, and sometimes weeks of no water...


Buh he bawlin' on de nex' side...





...Manning said that while WASA appealed to the national community to conserve water, the government was begging citizens to do this in the interest of everyone.
’Not because you have the means, you must waste it. We are trying to schedule (the water supply). If some have, some don’t have, we are trying to schedule that,’ he added...


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161593778


Hypocrisy with ah capital H.

bigzack
02-10-2010, 09:18 AM
Watch competence.


WASA has directed the sprinklers be shut off.

General manager of communications at WASA Ellen Lewis said yesterday the Water and Sewerage Authority Act Ch 54:40 applied to everyone.

’The law has universal applicability, including all private and State property. Based on the information received, we have been able to verify that water was being used to water the grounds at the prime minister’s residence. We have, however, reminded the household’s grounds management of the hosepipe restriction in effect as of midnight on February 3, and as such, they are to cease forthwith the use of any hose, sprinkler or similar-type apparatus for the transmission of water,’ Lewis told the Express by phone.

And best of all, Manning did not barge into WASA's office demanding that the sprinklers be turned back on.

Look EAGLE blame the ground staff fuh that one. Yuh cyar blame Manning if the cook in the kitchen bun the bacon that they served in some Diplomatic "breakfasses" last week.

Falcon
02-10-2010, 09:23 AM
Zakky, yuh understand anything about how a management system does wuk? Is only so many times yuh could blame the people at the base of the pyramid y'know?

The head has the ultimate responsibility. It was a management failure.

He cyar even manage he gyardener, allyuh PN-mites want he to manage 1.2 million numbskulls. Trinidad is banana ouirofl

bigzack
02-10-2010, 09:30 AM
Zakky, yuh understand anything about how a management system does wuk? Is only so many times yuh could blame the people at the base of the pyramid y'know?

The head has the ultimate responsibility. It was a management failure.

He cyar even manage he gyardener, allyuh PN-mites want he to manage 1.2 million numbskulls. Trinidad is banana oui

Falcon

De last time that Manning did water ah garden that he shouldn't ah water, he get in big trouble.

Since that time de man even fraid tuh see garden and water.

Look, the man have a big country with ah nice vision 20/20 plan tuh run, is automatic sprinklers on a lawn yuh want he tuh worry about?

It have ah head gardner fuh dat.

Fuh all yuh know it could be sabotage to.

The head gardner must be ah UNC member, like you.

skl
02-10-2010, 09:37 AM
Look, the man have a big country with ah nice vision 20/20 plan tuh run, is automatic sprinklers on a lawn yuh want he tuh worry about?

It have ah head gardner fuh dat..

I know eh.... Manning so busy telling people to save water it completely slip he mind to tell his staff to do the same.

SilverEagle
02-10-2010, 09:40 AM
Nah Zacky, doh play ignorant. Yuh could see dat other people seein' de other side.

If WASA ketch a gardener in your premises watering plants wit' ah hose is you de homeowner or "Current Occupier" (as WASA like tuh say) tuh ketch because is you allow it in de first place. He is the current occupier of those premises so is he tuh blame.

If de cook bun de bacon in de kitchen is Manning tuh blame because he suppose tuh have systems in place dat would ensure dey didn't hire an incompetent fool tuh cook de food in de first place.

By extension if Manning is de Prime Minister an' everything in de country going tuh hell is no one else but he tuh blame because he is de man in charge an' is supposed to have systems in place tuh get things done startin' wit' appointing competent Ministers.

(BTW speculation is that there's gonna be a Cabinet Reshuffle before the month's end eh...).

So doh come rong here wit' dat passin' de buck chupidness. It stops wit' he.

snowbird
02-10-2010, 10:16 AM
Zakky, yuh understand anything about how a management system does wuk? Is only so many times yuh could blame the people at the base of the pyramid y'know?

The head has the ultimate responsibility. It was a management failure.

He cyar even manage he gyardener, allyuh PN-mites want he to manage 1.2 million numbskulls. Trinidad is banana ouirofl

Tell dem, tell dem....tell dem bout...... 'de buck stops here'; responsibility man, responsibility.

Man, de Fadder ah de Nation is ah man dat dos preach plenty, plenty; but is ah..... 'Do as I say, but not as I do".

bigzack
02-10-2010, 10:21 AM
A....A.....buh how allyuh gih Manning ah bligh on Kamla falling dong in the Red House?

I blame Manning fuh dat.

The buck stops with he.

sylvestter
02-10-2010, 10:22 AM
4006

ha!

Maccogirl
02-10-2010, 10:52 AM
I will let this one slide on Manning those sprinklers have automatic setting to turn on at different times of the day, the person who called the media and reported this pic and all must of know that and up to mischief, it is not as if Manning sent the Gardner outside with a hose to water his plants, all they have to do is turn it off now simple.

Anyway some residents of Goodwood Park have theirs running at 3 am in the morning and I am sure in all the other big shot areas they may well be doing the same, I hope the Express reports all of this also

halo
02-10-2010, 11:20 AM
I see sprinklers on in Lara Promenade 7:30 this morning.....Manning yuh have no shame.... :)

Redman
02-10-2010, 11:31 AM
The ole talk aside, tell me what the PNM has done to improve the water supply since 2001 because it definitely worst than when the UNC was there

By what measure you making this assertion?

Later

snowbird
02-10-2010, 12:06 PM
.... it is not as if Manning sent the Gardner outside with a hose to water his plants, all they have to do is turn it off now simple......

an de darm Gardner couldn't even do dat!!!

Is lik ah say Maccs..... "yuh jus kar geh good help anymore";

man I tink Manning should have de Gardner come in de papers an ....'apologize'.

Wayne
02-10-2010, 01:25 PM
4007400840094010
4006

ha!


Fuhget dat nuh?...................Allyuh leh we "Fire One"..................

Maccogirl
02-10-2010, 01:42 PM
Snow you know if the Gardner know how to reset the timer on the sprinklers, maybe the Gardner does not know how to do this, next thing you know the man gone and reset the thing and water running all day. Most of these system are installed by a company and the company sets it so maybe the man did not know what to do, and I hardly think the PM will be going into the garden to adjust it so as I said I will give Manning a pass on this one.

The person who took the photo was just up to mischief and wanted to make the point that look the PM wasting water when he asking everyone in the country to conserve, anyway am very sure what ever was going on there has been rectified by now, to me this is a non story but the media like to play they on to something big as usual

bigzack
02-10-2010, 03:05 PM
to me this is a non story but the media like to play they on to something big as usual

Sure dey on tuh something big.

Dey on tuh ah setta big chupidees who goh take the story and say, "Is Manning tuh blame. The buck stops with Manning".

This time, the damn sprinkler coulda malfunction.
This time, Manning must ah say in PNM fete the night before, that since the country want ah drunkard fuh PM, he start drinking.

Anything coulda goh wrong.

Slider
02-10-2010, 03:11 PM
There are so much important things to discuss like the economic turmoil in Greece and how it dragging down the Euro and they planning to throw out the PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain) from the Euro Zone because they not pulling their weight.

Big news in Europe today but all the press could do is climb up on the hill and wait for Manning's pipe to shoot out water.

skl
02-10-2010, 03:12 PM
boy BZ if you was on the water police nobody woulda get charge. lol

bigzack
02-10-2010, 03:14 PM
boy BZ if you was on the water police nobody woulda get charge. lol

lol..lol...lol...lol....

And ah couldn't even take ah bribe because de chupid ticket is only $75.00.

TheLight
02-10-2010, 04:02 PM
By what measure you making this assertion?

Later

Maybe you should listen to the people

sylvestter
02-10-2010, 04:17 PM
4006

ha!from CNC3 Facebook:
CNC3 Television (http://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television?ref=nf) Tonight's headlines: Contractor at PM's residence terminated after picture published of PM's lawn being sprinkled
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

TheLight
02-10-2010, 04:18 PM
I will let this one slide on Manning those sprinklers have automatic setting to turn on at different times of the day, the person who called the media and reported this pic and all must of know that and up to mischief, it is not as if Manning sent the Gardner outside with a hose to water his plants, all they have to do is turn it off now simple.

Anyway some residents of Goodwood Park have theirs running at 3 am in the morning and I am sure in all the other big shot areas they may well be doing the same, I hope the Express reports all of this also



OKAY! That fella standing there not really there he does just pop up with the automatic switch

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1336/61702715.png

skl
02-10-2010, 06:06 PM
I will let this one slide on Manning those sprinklers have automatic setting to turn on at different times of the day,

how magnanimous of you.

however WASA has imposed water restrictions for a week now. the PM's residence has no excuse for not complying.

TheLight
02-10-2010, 06:16 PM
how magnanimous of you.

however WASA has imposed water restrictions for a week now. the PM's residence has no excuse for not complying.



Why they not Charge Manning?



3 charged as water police hit streets
Akile Simon
Published: 5 Feb 2010


Three people from South Trinidad have been charged in connection with wasting water. WASA’s manager of Security Services Mervyn Pierre hailed yesterday’s exercise as a success. He said: “We were out from 10 pm (Wednesday) throughout Trinidad and Tobago.


http://guardian.co.tt/news/crime/2010/02/05/3-charged-water-police-hit-streets

dancerboy
02-10-2010, 06:20 PM
I will let this one slide on Manning those sprinklers have automatic setting to turn on at different times of the day, the person who called the media and reported this pic and all must of know that and up to mischief, it is not as if Manning sent the Gardner outside with a hose to water his plants, all they have to do is turn it off now simple.

Anyway some residents of Goodwood Park have theirs running at 3 am in the morning and I am sure in all the other big shot areas they may well be doing the same, I hope the Express reports all of this also

Somebody should have been 'MANNING' the sprinklers.

DANCERBOY

Wayne
02-10-2010, 06:56 PM
40144015

It was an Error...............Let Us "Move On"

Redman
02-10-2010, 07:07 PM
Maybe you should listen to the people

Maybe you should read your post from the other thread and stop evading direct questions and attempt to post an intelligent sentence or two

You can only state that something is wrong because you associate it with the PNM.

You have yet to post anything resembling a cohesive argument as to why you think the UNC is better.

Your posts indicate that you are an example of all that is keeping the politics and therefore the country stagnated.

Your posts remind me of the Pigs that ran the animal farm-4 legs good 2 legs bad-you feel repeating a UNC mantra is an argument-and a solid one at that.

I began this thread thinking that I would see an intelligent and thoughtful POV - I am yet to see any evidence of any semblance of that from your repetitive posts.
It must be nice not having to bear the weight of logic and sense in your posts, you really are The Light.
Dim but light nonetheless.

Later

snowbird
02-10-2010, 07:40 PM
Snow you know if the Gardner know how to reset the timer on the sprinklers, maybe the Gardner does not know how to do this, next thing you know the man gone and reset the thing and water running all day. Most of these system are installed by a company and the company sets it so maybe the man did not know what to do, and I hardly think the PM will be going into the garden to adjust it so as I said I will give Manning a pass on this one.

The person who took the photo was just up to mischief and wanted to make the point that look the PM wasting water when he asking everyone in the country to conserve, anyway am very sure what ever was going on there has been rectified by now, to me this is a non story but the media like to play they on to something big as usual

Oh right ah forget, de Gardner if he wukkin fer Patos, den he wukkin fer de Government too.... so as usual is like

...."Doh ask me what an envelope is....my job is to lick stamps".

snowbird
02-10-2010, 07:42 PM
Oh right ah forget, de Gardner if he wukkin fer Patos, den he wukkin fer de Government too.... so as usual is like

...."Doh ask me what an envelope is....my job is to lick stamps".

As to the person who took the picture? Well Patos lucky it wasn't me....cus I wudda grab meh towel and soap, jump in de fountain, an take ah bath....no point wasting good water.

TheLight
02-10-2010, 07:57 PM
Maybe you should read your post from the other thread and stop evading direct questions and attempt to post an intelligent sentence or two

You can only state that something is wrong because you associate it with the PNM.

You have yet to post anything resembling a cohesive argument as to why you think the UNC is better.

Your posts indicate that you are an example of all that is keeping the politics and therefore the country stagnated.

Your posts remind me of the Pigs that ran the animal farm-4 legs good 2 legs bad-you feel repeating a UNC mantra is an argument-and a solid one at that.

I began this thread thinking that I would see an intelligent and thoughtful POV - I am yet to see any evidence of any semblance of that from your repetitive posts.
It must be nice not having to bear the weight of logic and sense in your posts, you really are The Light.
Dim but light nonetheless.

Later



if u was living in ah hole during the UNC term dat is your business

but you still haven't told me what the PNM has done in the past 9 years to improve the water supply

Redman
02-10-2010, 09:29 PM
Gee let me see- without trying to be rude

As regards to Drilling of wells- without the exact numbers-5 0ut of the 8 contractors over the last 2 years have told me, through interactions and contract negotiations for sub contract work that the drilling business has been hectic over the recent history.
Ive never need to compare it to the UNC period.
YOU?

As a shareholder in one of the oldest drilling contractors in the Water Well biz we have seen and been involved in the activity.
YOU?

We've drilled wells in several islands and currently have equipment in Guyana-DRILLING for water
YOU?

Same thing with pipe laying,dredging of dams and waste treatment plants.Tobago -same thing
Weve done waste water treatment plants,kms of pipe laying,supplied equipment and provided drilling and work over services-
YOU?

As one of a small number of contractors that came through the last 18 months without a blemish of bribes and half arse work attached to our names I can speak with some experience and am on firm footing.
As someone who takes pride in our bidding and the delivery of work on time and as budgeted AND as specified in the contract(which is uncommon in WASA)
You speak with ................?
Oh yes UNC good PNM bad. And a Panday stained tabanca

The basic thing that you miss (and its patently obvious to me why you missing basic points-well-based on your posts in this thread) is that I am in no way pro PNM, I think they have missed opportunities and mismanaged the economy.

But I really dont believe that the UNC would have been much different.

It is, as I said YOU that is arguing fur color on a mange ridden dog.

Im not the one making AND DEFENDING any qualitative assertion of 1 party over the other.


You are - without showing how you substantiate it.


Substantiate your claim lets discuss it, unless you've exhausted your lexicon of UNC diatribe?

Later

bigzack
02-11-2010, 12:44 AM
So Mr.Manning get up in Parliament today and say that they still looking into the water sprinkler issue at the Prime Ministers' Residence and Diplomatic Center. In the interim, they have fired the contractor responsible for that fiasco, and replaced that company with another company.

That's all I am going to say about that.

Angie
02-11-2010, 01:07 AM
Big news in Europe today but all the press could do is climb up on the hill and wait for Manning's pipe to shoot out water.

All de water done leak out .... de pipe dry rofl rofl rofl

vaio
02-11-2010, 07:22 AM
how magnanimous of you.

however WASA has imposed water restrictions for a week now. the PM's residence has no excuse for not complying.

I know that quite a few places with the automatic sprinkler systems have turned them off. Patos said that his ppl did not follow the orders of the head of the household so they got fired :laugh: so much for the excuses made by macco and the rest :laugh:

bigzack
02-11-2010, 10:10 AM
Patos said that his ppl did not follow the orders of the head of the household so they got fired so much for the excuses made by macco and the rest

Ah guess that is "so much" fuh the unwarranted, premature, "the buck stop with Patos", UNC inspired attacks also.

skl
02-11-2010, 10:16 AM
Ah guess that is "so much" fuh the unwarranted, premature, "the buck stop with Patos", UNC inspired attacks also.
eh ? of course the buck stops with Patos. Why you think the man act so fast to fire the contracter. He knows how bad it look so he have to act decisive.

SilverEagle
02-11-2010, 10:21 AM
Buh Manning does fire people who does make him look dotish. Arks Rowley. rofl

snowbird
02-11-2010, 10:22 AM
eh ? of course the buck stops with Patos. Why you think the man act so fast to fire the contracter. He knows how bad it look so he have to act decisive.

Ah eh see why he mus fire de man
..... after all he is Patos, de Head Honcho, Mr. Bigger....he is Boss, he eh hah tuh answer tuh nobody.

Man Patos, tell dem mine dey business...."What Happens At Patos House....Stays At Patos House"

"Aye Patos? come Jouvert Morning.... after all dem people done play dey 'jab-jab', and mud-up an ting, dey cud come an bade off in yuh fountain"?

TheLight
02-11-2010, 11:36 AM
FIRED

PM's house manager: Contractor disobeyed Hazel's order not to water lawn

Aabida Allaham


Thursday, February 11th 2010

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161594338






Manning fired the man quick for a $75 "error" but how come he didn't fire Gary Hunt for the $2 million "error"? how come he didn't fire Martin Joseph for the 500+ murders?

dancerboy
02-11-2010, 11:45 AM
Manning fired the man quick for a $75 "error" but how come he didn't fire Gary Hunt for the $2 million "error"? how come he didn't fire Martin Joseph for the 500+ murders?

MANNING fire the contractor, is MURDERATION; he ent fire the man, is more MURDERATION. What allyuh want, BLOOD. Allyuh ent getting enough ah dat ?.

DANCERBOY

saltwater
02-11-2010, 11:52 AM
The contractor was made a scapegoat.
Who in their right mind would disobey a direct order from the Prime Minister's wife on the sensitive and controversial topic of water conservation. Accd to reports Hazel ordered that the sprinklers not be used and the contractor disobeyed this order.