Man Lives Without Food and Water For Sixty Five Years

[brag]

http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze5a.html
Can the phenomenon/phenomena described in the account below be another hoax, as we often label most miracles, or can it be learned as a way of life for health and wellnes? In the article below Prahladbhai Jani describes his behaviors while research is being conducted for a scientific answer.

"I feel no need for food and water," states Prahladbhai Jani, a seventy-six year old Indian ascetic who lives in a cave near the Ambaji temple in the state of Gujarat. Mr. Jani claims that he has not had food or fluids to drink for the last sixty-five years. At the age of seven years he left home in search of spiritual unfoldment. Jani states that at the age of eleven years he was blessed by a goddess. He claims that since that blessing he has gained his sustenance from nectar that filters down through a hole in his palate, and has not passed urine or stools since then. Mr. Jani explained, "I get the elixir of life from the hole in my palate, which enables me to go without food and water." Almost daily Mr. Jani enters a state of Samadhi characterized by extreme bliss and enormous light and strength. He says that he has never experienced medical problems. He says that he did not speak for a period of forty-five years..........................."

[Falcon]

if the physioloy that he trained his body to demonstrate all these years was not including talking, then I imagine he'll be very tired or in need of sustenance now after the interview. I'm serious. I don't believe this article, as some very long and tall stories come from the subcontinent. I am a believer in a lot of conspiracy theories, even Yeti, but this has a few impossibilities. His kidneys would have shut down now, and his pancreas would have withered. His stomach should have atrophied to such an extent that a simple xray/mri would prove the truth.

summary: yes 'another hoax'.

[lexbarker]

Would he allow a scientific crew to fully monitor him for six months?

[Falcon]

haha....never in the next sixty years he s'pose to live!!!

[kayt]

Humans are built to need food and water. This is part of being human. If you wish for something different then maybe death may be preferable. No need for the burden that is the body, true transcendence :!:

[Solachica]

:?
Doh think so nuh

[punjabtrini]

What a man!

There have been stories of these fakirs sneaking in and hiding food and water and pretending they do not need nutrition so I would investigate more on this.

If this is true, this man can teach this trick and there would be no more hunger in the world and we can all be Paris Hilton and freinds! I mean.....come on nah man

[lexbarker]

He said that he started when he was 10 years old (little boy) Now, he is a fully grown man, he put on size by breathing air? He is breathing I hope.

[brag]

He also said he receives nectar from a hole in his palate. What to make of it is up to each individual who studies phenomena. The milk drinking icons were explained as surface tension. Some accepted it and others did not. Some became more faithful in Gods while others more skeptical. Who is is to say who is right and who is wrong. In the meantime, the necessary research for understanding the phenomenon is being done. But of course, the research too will be questioned.

[lexbarker]

That nectar coming from his palate could be snat.

[brag]

Something to think about. May be we all should be swallowing more of our snat.

[Falcon]

hahaha
brag, this morning I was going to post and ask why yuh abandon the thread so......
now I realise why :lol:

[Somebody007]

Allyuh really believe in this thread. Christ went without food and water for 40 days and nights.....and He was suffering big time. Yuh cyar get any worse than this.

[brag]

Try it you will like it Falcon.

[Falcon]

salty i'd suppose. 8-)

[brag]

Do you want to give an explanation for nectar flowing every Thursday for the last twenty five years from an small icon at an orphanage in Mysore, India, or ashes flowing from pictures and walls in the home of a Chicago, atheist psychiatrist and his spiritually oriented wife. Would you say I was deluded, and did not truly witness that? What they mean, I don't know but these phenomena are real, and are experienced every where around the world both privately and publicly.

[brag]

You suppose!! Do you mean you don't know.

[Falcon]

I have no doubt that you have witnessed those things. Even serenity's thread about the worldwide week-long phenomenon of statues absorbing milk, I believe that happened too. That's a different thing.

This case in this thread is a hoax.

[brag]

This phenomenon has been described in one of the books on Swami Yogananda. I believe it was "The Authobiography of a Yogi." Was Yogananda's report also false reporting?

[brag]

Facon, what evidence are you holding back that this is a hoax. Please share it with us so we may rethink what we read.

[Falcon]

you are asking me to prove he didnt?

Try discounting every physiological point in this thread so far. I brought up some- so did punjab trini and lexbarker. You can't just say so and so is ture because many long and tall stories are true also........

the concentration of that drop of nectar has to be so high, that it would cause severe metabolic imbalance and pull water from every single tissue in the body in which it comes into contact, from palate to atrophied stomach. The body doesnt produce certain vitamins. The body produces waste which you simply cannot reabsorb and recycle. Lack of use of muscles leads to shrinkage. Cells have a finite lifespan. Red cells live for 4 months, and white for a few days. Stomach cells have to be replaced due to the acidic environment. Palate lining cells need to be replaced. Where do the toxic products from cellular degeneration go? When the spleen extracts the old and damaged red cells, where do the products of their breakdown go? Does his liver work? What happens to the urine that forms every few minutes when the entire volume of blood is filtered in the kidneys? Is his large intestine sterile? What do the bacteria feed on?

I have to force myself to stop tryping. :roll:

[brag]

You are using logic to explain the impossibility of a human phenomenon. Yet you are prepared to believe other kinds of inexplicable phenomena which defies logic. Please explain that.

[Falcon]

ok then brag, anything anybody claim is true, could be true, because rules dont apply in any situation. :|

[brag]

Do you mean to tell me that 24 medical personnel and a hospital, named below, are willing to participate in furthering a hoax? The following information was copied from the thread above. I know I could come across as naive at times, but that is because I am usually ready to believe everything I read and hear, as long as I am not required to make an immediate adjustment in my life to accomodate the new information.

"...It was decided to study him by a panel of doctors, which included:

Dr. Sudhir V. Shah (Consultant Neurophysician, Sterling Hospital/Associate Professor of Neurology at K. M. School of PGMR, Ahmedabad)
Dr. Urman Dhruv (Physician & Secretary of Association of Physicians of Ahmedabad (APA))
Dr. V. N. Shah (Diabetologist, Director-Sterling Hospital)
Dr. Bharat Gadhavi (General Surgeon/Medical Superintendent-Sterling Hospital)
Dr. Kandarp Parikh (Urologist)
Dr. Dinesh Patel/Dr. Hemant Patel (Radiologists)
Dr. Sanjay Mehta (Neuro Radiologist & Sonologist)
Dr. Gargey Sutaria (Radiologist)
Dr. Sanjiv Haribhakti (G. I. Surgeon)
Dr. Navneet Shah (Physician, Endocrinologist)
Dr. Prakash Darji/Dr. Sonal Dalal/ Dr. Pankaj Shah (Nephrologists)
Dr. Bansi Saboo (General Physician)
Dr. Shrenik Shah (Cardiologist)
Dr. Dhanesh Patel (General Surgeon)
Dr. O. M. Modi (Senior Physician)
Dr. Hemang Desai (Psychiatrist)
Dr. Jayesh Sheth (Genetician & Endocrinologist)
Dr. Dhaval Modi (Ophthalmologist)
Dr. Jayeeta Chaudhary (Dietician)
Dr. Mukesh Patel (Pulmonologist)
Dr. Ruchir Shah (ENT Surgeon)

Several other doctors also examined him from time to time.

He was kept in Sterling Hospital (Gurukul Road, Ahmedabad) from 13/11/03 (10:00 AM) to 22/11/03 (10:00 AM) for observation. Directors of Sterling Hospital specially Dr. V. N. Shah and the management committee of Sterling Hospital kindly consented to look after the ethical aspects and the funds for the project including various tests."

[brag]

But you are willing to accept the phenomena of the nectar and ashes, but not a man who receives nectar from a hole in his palate--not much different from some religious phenomena that defies logic.

[Falcon]

I don't wish to get all theological or controversial, but can I ask you if you think supernatural occurences relating to animate and inanimate objects are always good, always evil or maybe a blend of the two?

[brag]

I used to believe in good and evil as having different sources , but I stopped thinking so. For me, they come from the same source (divine energy as the totality of functioning) and serve all for the higher good in our evolutionary journeys. Each has its role to play in the functioning of the totality of the cosmos. Discrimination and intelligence tell us when to be aware of the forces that are not needed at a particular time and place. The same evil act can be a good for someone and a bad for another. There is no such thing as an inanimate object. All objects radiate divine energy-- energy that has an evolutionary purpose.

[Falcon]

Oho. Ok then. It is here I commence my exit from the discussion.

[brag]

Well, well, well. Now you leave me to wonder about the true spirit of inquiry.

[Falcon]

It exists, don't wonder about that. But I see we coming from different angles, and with different premises. We won't agree, nor find common ground because we disagree on the basics. I will go on thinking how impossible this is and how so many people are colluding with this guy for their 2 minutes of fame; while you are believing it still could be true.

[brag]

I agree.

[brag]

This following unusual feat was described in the thread above, and can be found by clicking "Mr Manek Medical Report."

".....................So most likely, he is drawing energy from these cosmic sources - cosmic energy. Hence more correctly it is energy mathematics rather than calorie mathematics; a concept worth understanding. Out of all cosmic sources, The SUN is the most powerful & readily available source & has been used for energy, by sages & rishis since ancient time, including lord Mahavir, Tibetan lamas & other Rishis. The solar energy has two components: the light and the heat.

Mankind is also using solar energy for running solar cooker, solar heater, solar car through solar batteries etc. Similarly Shri Hira Ratan Manek (H.R.M.) has almost converted himself into a kind of a solar cooker and has solar batteries activated in himself. The solar energy has two components, the light and the heat (temperature). Luckily India has a rich potential to become superpower as we have a constant availability of solar energy, all throughout the year.

How then SUN energy is received? The Brain & the mind are the most powerful recipients in human body. The retina & the pineal gland (The third eye or the seat of soul as per Rene Descartes) are equipped with photoreceptor cells & may be considered photosensitive organs............................................ (deleted--read at your own risk.)

As plant kingdom thrives on chlorophyll & photo synthesis, directly dependant on the Sun, similarly some kind of photosynthesisor photoanalysis must be taking place; when we hypothesize Sun energy .Through complex ways & distinct pathways this energy must enter the body. Is it a direct entry into the physical body, or it enters through auras of human body (please refer Karelian photography) is yet to be examined. It is quite possible that human aura plays a modulating role for allowing this energy into the physical body.

There is a pathway from the retina, to the hypthalamus, called the retinohypothalamic tract. This brings information about the dark & light cycles to supra chiasmatic nucleus (SCN) of the hypothalamus. From the SCN, impulses along the nerve travel via the pineal nerve (Sympathetic nervous system) to the pineal gland. These impulses inhibit the production of melatonin. When these impulses stop (at night or in dark, when the light no longer stimulates the hypothalamus) pineal inhibition caeses, & melatonin is released. The pineal gland (or the third eye ) is therefore a photosensitive organ & an important timekeeper for the human body. The unexplored process of energy synthesis & transformation from the sun energy perhaps partly occurs here.

While going through the details of recent scientific literature & also comparing it with ancient Indian spiritual texts, as well as Western occult & new age, following things are apparent.

The activation of pineal gland is the key step in psychic, spiritual & energy transformation processes. Here, in this gland, energy processing & re-distribution might be taking place. Pineal gland is the subtle commander of all endocrine glands, therefore controlling the humoral system. Through secretion of melatonin, it also regulates the circadian rhythm, sleep wake cycle & it also slows down aging process. It has psychic properties & is the seat of soul or mind - so called the third eye. (Possibly that is why Tilak is done in the forehead - in front of pineal and yogis do meditation with closed eyes, concentrating in between two eyebrows........................."

[Falcon]

similarly some kind of photosynthesisor photoanalysis must be taking place; when we hypothesize Sun energy

they should publish this new photosynthetic role of the pineal gland..... :roll: Nobel Prize for medicine FOR SURE!!!

[KFCSpicy]

I used to believe in good and evil as having different sources , but I stopped thinking so. For me, they come from the same source (divine energy as the totality of functioning) and serve all for the higher good in our evolutionary journeys. Each has its role to play in the functioning of the totality of the cosmos. Discrimination and intelligence tell us when to be aware of the forces that are not needed at a particular time and place. The same evil act can be a good for someone and a bad for another. There is no such thing as an inanimate object. All objects radiate divine energy-- energy that has an evolutionary purpose.


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Falco u does kill me dread. I just love to read your posts.

[brag]

A man and his friends stood on the beaches of one of the oceans, and he alone wonders about the vastness of the ocean as he looks beyond. Then he realizes how little in size he is compared to the vastness of the ocean and the universe. He decides there must be a way to conquer the vastness of the universe. So he goes in search of the means, and he discovers that everything outside is contained inside himself, and he realizes that the vastness also exists in a microcosmic form within. He finally realizes that he is not as small as he once thought, and he discovers that all that can be discovered outside can also be found within.

[Triniboy108]

Chapter 46 in Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda is titled The Woman Yogi Who Never Eats. And it's about a saint called Giri Bala.

The caption under her picture says:
"She employs a certain yogic technique to recharge her body with cosmic energy from the ether, sun, and air. "I have never been sick," the saint said.

I haven't actually read the chapter yet though, so I can't tell you about it, but basically she doesn't eat and uses a certain yogic technique to keep on living.

[brag]

Triniboy108, she was a breatharian, like some people who are believed to live on energy from the sun as discussed somewhere in this thread.

[Falcon]

'People' who live on energy from the Sun are called 'plants', or 'algae', or 'plankton' brag.

[brag]

So some people are planakatons, and we come to know about that particular specie only when we learn about it and it seems too true to be believed like the water that turned into wine. Nothing is imposssible my dear man.

[Triniboy108]

Triniboy108, she was a breatharian, like some people who are believed to live on energy from the sun as discussed somewhere in this thread.
ooh ok... ;)

[Aloha]

:mrgreen: I think he needs a shrink! not food or water. :lol:

[gaia]

Of course this is possible. man does not live by bread alone. We have always read about asetics living of the air they breath. How can a scientist who is only equipped with scientific tools research something that is spiritual. The scientist will claim that it is false. Even so science have now created very sensitive tools and recieved proof in many areas that the spiritualist always knew. Energy for instance. If I get a headache or backache the doctor will give me medicine for it, perhaps I caught a cold-the physical level. We all accept that. The healer, Spiritualist will look further into the problem. Will question what brought on this malady, because it starts in the aura due to my actions, thoughts etc. Am I stressed out, am I angry with someone. Marital problems I cant deal with, problems with children, work? Anger? Worrries? These mental inbalances influences the body and create problems with our energies and results in illness-The spiritual level. Who is right? All. It would be very difficult for scientist, with their tunnel vision to prove anything concerning this man and they will claim that he is false. Those who believe dont need proof. We are physical, emotional,mental and spiritual beings! They understand the powers of the mind!

[brag]

Billions accept that a man can become God and can survive crucifixion, can ascend into a heaven, walk on water, make a little bread and fish feed crowds, change bread and wine into flesh and blood, etc., but we cannot believe that the same God can make it possible for a few to receive a supply of daily nourishment for life, and keep some not wanting food.

We so often accept the spiritual dimension of life, and continue to believe in a God we cannot see, and yet we are ready to ridicule inexplicable situations which can only be explained in the context of that same God. Take for example, the miracle of the pendant I mentioned before from which divine nectar has been seen oozing for over thirty years every Thursday. When it stops that will become a fable, and no one will believe it ever occurred.

So why is it so hard to believe in a human gland that can produce nourishment, and keep someone alive for years without eating food in the way we accept and know food that nourishes? Isn't divine intervention possible? But wait, we are always ready to attribute the things that are hard to believe to the workings of the Devil, but not to God. Why is that so?

[punjabtrini]

Triniboy108, she was a breatharian, like some people who are believed to live on energy from the sun as discussed somewhere in this thread.

The breatharian movement is a sham!
That is how these cults survive. Through deception, misstatement of fact, sleight of hand and downright slick marketing and a lie can become the truth!