what are your ideas on combating crime?

[kemist]

please keep the politics out of this.

[Harry Williamn]

Thank you for asking!
(1) I have written several letters to the Express offering to end crime in Trinidad and Tobago in eighteen months at a low cost and return Trinidad to the safety and security of 1960. No takers only people trying to steal my plans.
(2) I made several attempts to see the Attorney Genral and the Minister of National Security but I met with a bunch of people who acted like lackeys with one sole purpose: To protect the officials from ever hearing anyone outside of the Party!
(3) I tried letters but received replies from the same type of dummy who wants my plan so the letters went to the garbage.
I have just discovered this forum and I say it again:
(a) I can end crime in Trinidad in (18) months and solve the traffic congestion problems in two years for good at low cost.
Now if Panday had won I could have gotten an audience with him but Mr.manning and company ....it seems impossible not because they will not see me but because the wall of idiots who place themselves between the PNM Governmnet officals and the people with solid ideas and the means and ways of getting the job done are too much of a headache to deal with so I guess we wait another five years for a new government which will remove the wall of idiots from around the government officials and allow them to hear new ideas from people who love their country like I am sure Mr.Manning does.

[Falcon]

ok.

How about publishing a full page ad in a national newspaper with the details, and so everyone will see, the PM included.
How about getting an audience with a TV crew.

because it seems that an important part of this is that you get the credit for the plans.

How about letting the lackeys have the plans and even if they tell Patos is them that think bout the plans, at least Trinidad safe afterwards...you, your family and TTOnline will know the truth, that it was really Harry William's plan that stemmed the crimewave.

or am I not understanding something here?

[Solachica]

Simple person like me was able to meet with Ministers.
It takes some waiting sometimes and appointments etc but I was able to meet them, even if it meant meeting them at their office at 6am as I did once.
If you really want something nothing can stand in your way.
The media didn't want to hear from you? Or you more concerned with payment?

[KFCSpicy]

I wondering if we can just vigilante dey muddah rass and kill all ah dem then deny we did :?

No?

Ok well I don't know nah how yuh go solve crime when individuals doh care about the value of life...not even their own? How can u threaten a man with death or imprisonment when he rather die than go to jail? How can u influence men and women who don't think they have anything to lose?

I don't know nah...I wish I did then I would stop worrying about the state the country is in and turning into everyday.

[kemist]

harry,

Theres only one suggestion i can offer you (provided you havent tried it already), and that is going through the president. I know he is very receptive to these matters and if he thinks its the right move, he will take it to the PM. But its also difficult to get in contact with him. Probably the easiest way to get to president's ear, is through one of the independent senators.

And if you can afford it, you should seriously consider what falcon had to say about publishing a full page ad in the newspapers. If you don't want the politicians to spoil your campaign then you would have to fund it independently.
All it takes is a little spark in the media to start it up, and once people agree,, the media would then come to you.

[Harry Williamn]

Dear folks: Greetings and thank you so much for your suggestions.
May I say this: This government has brought in British police officers;so called crime experts and consulted with several foreign so called experts on Crime and even the Columbians ( where Criminals have honed and refined and modify the art of kidnapping for Ransom to a clearly defined science which catapulted Columbian Criminals to Number one in the world for Kidnapping ahead of Mexico) were brought in and were wined and dined and highly paid with our Tax and Oil and Asphalt Dollars and are still getting paid ,and where and what are the results ?
Need I tell you ? Did we get a " 6 for a 9?"
Need I point out the dismal failure of such policies ?
Next there is a movement to bring in a foreign police chief to run things...that shall be a disaster which will place the final nail in the coffin as police morale is buried in Trinidad and Tobago.
Now with all due respect I look at those of you who will suggest that I ,after having done my research and formulated my plans and checked and rechecked my plans and honed my plans down to where they can withstand all assaults from critics and detractors and those who have ego problems when plans make their efforts look foolish ...you ,in true ( new and destructive Trinidadian thinking ) expect me to just up and give it all to others to implement ...just like that ?
I humbly suggest that my plans shall be implemented under my directions because logic says : 100 fools cannot make a wise decision and likewise 100 cowards cannot make a heroic decision how do you expect a brilliant plan to be executed by ?????
I next deal with this specific problem which seem to plague Trinidad ( have not been to Tobago for many years so I cannot say for Tobago)
and I call it the ," gimmie run something syndrome ".
It seems most people seem to have this thinking where they expect everything or mostly everything for free.
It is a mentality which is typical of most Convicts who seem to think because they have spent time in prison for their crimes that society and everyone they meet owes them something to," get a start in life!"
It is the same thought,philosophy or whatever you wish to call it which drives the person to think that everything must be free and that is the same mentality which expects Government to " give them everything" because they voted for them and somewhere in some your replies I sense that kind of thinking which says," give it up free" for the country....well Bernard Kerik ( I wrote so many letters to the Express which they never published telling them about the questionable character of this man ) got a lot of money to come down here to solve crime and what have the people got who spent the money to bring him down here ? Read the Guardian and see the crime reports and then go from station to station and get the rest of the serious crimes reports which are to numerous to publish.
I have not heard a single one of you call ( sorry guys "plain talk bad manners" but I have to tell it like it is people ) for the return to the people of Trinidad and Tobago the money which these foreign crime consultants and foreign police officers got and gave us nothing in return for it? If we got something well,where is it ? More unsolved murders than ever and criminals are freed because witnesses scared to death to testify! Judges hands are tied!
Is not that called ," fraud " under our laws? I am not a lawyer but ....????
So think again: If my ideas are to be implemented by those who have failed then I need to get their jobs and their positions and that is the way it works.
A full page add ?
Trinidadians are very forgetful after all how many of you are talking about the squandering or disappearance of ( US $ 55 Billion Dollars ) in Oil revenues which this country received during the 1973 oil boom and what have we to show for it and where is it ?
It is the same way they will forget what I have done but at least my efforts shall be rewarded and I can wait another five years and hopefully there will be a government which will remove the wall of " Lackeys and useless party hacks " and allow people with ideas and solid plans to lay them out before the people who can and shall take action to implement viable and solid results producing plans,like I have!
Traffic congestion: You have no idea what I know about traffic and the kinds of super highways which I inspect and verify their being built according to plans..I am in the process now of completing ( we are finaling the books which mean we are accounting for every single penny paid out to the contractors according to plans and verifying that every single item of work is done according to plans or better at the agreed upon contract cost...any funds paid out and cannot be properly accounted for means someone is going to JAIL) a $US 55 Million Dollar Super Highway with Ramps and Bridges 80 feet high) so I am not some fellow just running his mouth people.
If we do not act now I am warning that we, as a country, shall end like Haiti and Guyana or worst.
Oil and natural Gas shall move from KING to a lowly PEASANT!
Find out what the co-founder of Micro Sun Systems has placed in motion.
For your edification he is the fellow ( Vinod Khosla ,who set the Internet and telecommunications in motion and built Silicon Valley.
He and his company has vowed to reduce oil to a peasant!
They are rapidly closing in on the technology to make fuel from ordinary grass cuttings and wood instead of corn.
They are refining solar technology and the US Government is paying home owners to use solar energy to provide energy to their homes.Wind power is rapidly becoming the norm( green energy) in the USA;the Fuel Cell ,electric and hydrogen powered cars are coming online by 2012 ( by the next election) and all that means oil revenues shall decline as oil declines in price and of course the US dollar is falling rapidly so your US dollar is losing value ....
All this means that Trinidad and Tobago needs to find and develop revenue generating sources....those who have enriched themselves shall run to Canada and the USA and those of you who have gotten "toe-toll-bay" with " Rum and Roti and racial voting politics" will get to know what real " hard times " are! My heart bleeds and my eyes are full for my belvoved country and some of you may never ever understand as your sarcasms get the better of your thinking and you fail to think! :cry: :cry: :cry:
As always ,please,correct me where I am wrong for I am always open to learning!

[TheLight]

please keep the politics out of this.

Who have the authority to deal with crime?

For the past 5 years allyuh know those in-charge was doing a bad job on Nov 5th allyuh had a chance to fire them but didn’t so deal with it, don’t come and cry here for the next 5 years what should or shouldn’t be.

[Falcon]

I have the solution to Caribbean poverty, but ah not tellin allyuh. Trinis like too much freeness.

[Solachica]

Falcon, if you work hard and perfect yuh solution wht yuh giving we just so for when we expect everything or mostly everything for free. Wait till if or when the Gov't change and then they go pay you nuh. :geek:

[Falcon]

when I can have assurances of remuneration and the relevant credit for my ideas gleaned from my research into Caribbean poverty, THEN we will talk.

The poverty situation surely isn't SERIOUS, or CRITICAL, or in need of IMMEDIATE ACTION enough, for me to show altruism, or to look beyond party politics. I need to be the Commissioner of Money because Solachica, trinidiots cannot implement my plans. I won't let them!! :P

Until then, leave me alone. Can't you see I'm the victim here?!?!?! :cry:

[vaio]

please keep the politics out of this.

Who have the authority to deal with crime?

For the past 5 years allyuh know those in-charge was doing a bad job on Nov 5th allyuh had a chance to fire them but didn’t so deal with it, don’t come and cry here for the next 5 years what should or shouldn’t be.


steupssssssss... :roll:

kemist....what did you expect from some? :roll:

[deathwinger]

COP voter coming and asking what to do to combat crime, lawd fadda.


You already had your chance, now be quiet and take it. Yo go make Uncle Patrick vex at yuh. :lol:

[BW]

COP voter coming and asking what to do to combat crime, lawd fadda.


You already had your chance, now be quiet and take it. Yo go make Uncle Patrick vex at yuh. :lol:

move beyond politics nah man. Time fuh dat kinda talk done last week monday.

[KFCSpicy]

please keep the politics out of this.

Who have the authority to deal with crime?

For the past 5 years allyuh know those in-charge was doing a bad job on Nov 5th allyuh had a chance to fire them but didn’t so deal with it, don’t come and cry here for the next 5 years what should or shouldn’t be.


Like the Light not shining as far as your brain cells dread. So you tryna tell everybody that crime only started when Manning was first put into power? I see! is a good thing we have people of lesser intellect as yourself to point these things out to we.

[deathwinger]

The best thing to do is to allow aspiring individuals of society to get a gun legally and easy and teach them proper gun control. I think if enough tief collect bullet from the people they trying to steal from (not to kill, just blow off their hand or something) they will think twice about going out and tiefin again.

You can't be easy or soft on anyone who ready to hold up someone for ransom or just to steal, those people are just lazy. U give them a job to pick up and throw stones around for 2 hours and they still don't take it. They have to feel.

[KFCSpicy]

That was the most effing scary post i see on here...I hope is only u thinking like that and if not then we shud round all yuh so up and send all yuh to countries like Iran where that sort of thinking and law abounds...with little or no deterrent to the people who still committing crime.

A lot of mini hitlers on this forum dread. Zeero tolerance and arm everybody to kill. what u think guns were made for? to plant the land? steupse. i here cussing cause i cyah do it on here. :evil:

[kemist]

If drugs are the main cause....
T&T are small islands. Only two ways to get drugs in here- by air and by sea. We should have air covered since theres only one airport in each island. I find it hard to believe that we cant afford to cover the sea around our small islands.

[KFCSpicy]

Kemist I have a theory eh...and I does say it all the time on here. From de lil bit of sources I have I know not for a fact...but I heard that certain businessmen and women who have house near de sea and lil small boat is de ones who does bring een de thing. Who going and stop a Sabga yacht or boat? Not saying is dem just using them as an example.

For all the guns and drugs we have here in the country is 90% of them getting in the country unnoticed because the people that handling the scene above reproach or suspicion. Plus they have the ways and means and the connections to do so.

But I can be very very wrong, maybe is yuh average joe from Belmont and Lahvantee dat bringing een de coke without a boat or plane or even a passport.

[Harry Williamn]

Kemist:
May we have some definitions of what is and what is not POLITICS?
In that way soem of the wonderful people who are giving their contributions shal manifestly know what is and what is not politics.
I support your suggestion to keep the POLITICS out of the post because we are solution oriented and consesus builders and it is my hope that each and every one of us here( reagardless of our colour,creed,age,or race ) have soemthing important to say and in our hearts have the TNT Republic and her Citizens and Legal Residents ( sorry illegals aliens we hope you kindly leave our shores and come back legally) best interest at heart because we are a great people and we are a very fair and just people who have been stuck by the unfortunate fate of trusting too much in " DR Politics" and have looked too much to others to do for us what we should be doing for ourselves but it is my sincere belief that we shall rise up as a people and become one of the greatest nations on this earth and make Trinidad and Tobago one of the best places to live...please,do not doubt the great things we can do as a people.
Correct me if I am wrong!

[Harry Williamn]

I just recalled that the Guardian has a Place for POLITICS under the Topic " Politics!"

[Solachica]

I know of instances where drugs washed up in Icacos beaches when it was dumped at sea. If I know and so many other people knew then am certain the police knew to.
I think the police turn a blind eye to many of the happenings in TnT

[KFCSpicy]

sometimes they just can't be arsed i guess to do the wuk.

[kemist]

Kemist:
May we have some definitions of what is and what is not POLITICS?
In that way soem of the wonderful people who are giving their contributions shal manifestly know what is and what is not politics.
I support your suggestion to keep the POLITICS out of the post because we are solution oriented and consesus builders and it is my hope that each and every one of us here( reagardless of our colour,creed,age,or race ) have soemthing important to say and in our hearts have the TNT Republic and her Citizens and Legal Residents ( sorry illegals aliens we hope you kindly leave our shores and come back legally) best interest at heart because we are a great people and we are a very fair and just people who have been stuck by the unfortunate fate of trusting too much in " DR Politics" and have looked too much to others to do for us what we should be doing for ourselves but it is my sincere belief that we shall rise up as a people and become one of the greatest nations on this earth and make Trinidad and Tobago one of the best places to live...please,do not doubt the great things we can do as a people.
Correct me if I am wrong!



Of course you're not wrong there.
I know some people are still hung up on the results of the elections.
The fact is, life goes on regardless of who's in power and I was hoping the 'woulda', 'coulda' 'shoulda' type responses about election results be avoided, since that doesn't help in looking for solutions.
We can learn a lot from the past, but we do not live there anymore. What matters most is the present we live in and the future we seek to build.
There is more to life than party politics but it seems some have just 'given up' because they don't have faith in the government of the day. Would an unemployed man stop seeking a job just because his favorite party is not in power? It is far easier to complain about a situation than it is to seek solutions, and therein lies the challenge ahead.
So i was just curious to find out about other people's ideas on combating crime, both long-term and short-term.

[KFCSpicy]

Did anyone read about the psychologists' comment and theory that is licks and parents is de reason for crime in trinidad? :shock:

[Somebody007]

I have a pretty long post to make here but in a nutshell......set up one of them global tracking systems using the hubascope in space to combat crime....trust me, it will work. I will explain this point later.

[BW]

I have a pretty long post to make here but in a nutshell......set up one of them global tracking systems using the hubascope in space to combat crime....trust me, it will work. I will explain this point later.

scary stuff. As a famous quote goes, "trade privacy for security, and you will have neither".

[kemist]

Too often criminals get away from the police, but i wonder where do they go? Trinidad is only that big. I am assuming if the police had better tools and more reliable info to work with, we would probably see more criminals being caught and prosecuted.
It is sad to say that our present system lacks adequate deterrents. I dont believe its simply a matter of increasing the penalty for the crime. Most criminals are enjoying the comfort of not facing the consequences of their crimes because they don't really think that they'll be caught.

So what about tracking vehicles? I was wondering if that is a breach of privacy. I would argue that its not, since there are already number plates to identify vehicles. I was thinking in line of a traffic camera system similar to that in some parts of the US and Canada. I've also read about number plate recognition technology (but i suppose that would be very expensive). Such tools could probably give the police the advantages they need in catching those criminals.

[brag]

Yes, I would agree with the psychologist to some extent, and add that the proper warning with the full knowledge of behavior and its consequences takes out the anger and rage felt by the recipient of punishment, and can break the cycle of abuse and crime in societies.

Violence begets violence, and the cycle never ends. But the right kind of education with repeated, advanced warning about behaviors and consequences at all levels of human understanding can bring about the needed change.

[deathwinger]

Take up SIDEARMS is the best solutions to COMBAT crime. If the criminals know they will collect a round for doing their crap, they will think twice about it.

All the fancy dancy talk, this is what they want. Cause they know when they have a gun stuck in your face, you too pansy to fight back and have no way to defend yourself. Why they have to respect you for? You weak! They strong!

EVEN the playing field and see how QUICK that will change.

[vaio]

Can we say "hang them high" on woodford square.... :|

[Somebody007]

Can we say "hang them high" on woodford square.... :|



Nah girl that too harsh for we. I don't even really support the whole idea of hanging to begin with. The question to be asked now is, does hangings act as a deterrent towards committing crimes???? In my opinion and one main reason why I don't support hangings, is that somewhere along the lines and it is happening right now in the USA.....innocent people paying the ultimate price and some crucial evidence showing up long after they get hanged to prove their innocence.

[vaio]

^^..too bad we can't do it.. :|

there are a lot of opinions for and against capital punishment....but my question is - why are ppl sentenced to death if they are not put to death...??

As for the "innocent" ppl being hanged well....that is sad that evidence was found after the hanging....

[Somebody007]

^^..too bad we can't do it.. :|

there are a lot of opinions for and against capital punishment....but my question is - why are ppl sentenced to death if they are not put to death...??

As for the "innocent" ppl being hanged well....that is sad that evidence was found after the hanging....



What about the global tracking system device? I feel this will be one costly exercise to implement but I saw a documentary a couple years ago on that same hubascope in space and what it can actually do to help us. That same hubascope could actually take pictures of people walking down a busy Frederick Street in Port of Spain, track boats and ships on the ocean and those submarines that move on the ocean floor and the people inside the submarine too eh..... To be honest, it can track virtually every move you make, even if you are sitting inside your homes watching the television.

According to Breadwinner, this is actually an invasion of privacy but the US is actually using the hubascope to catch criminals in America...and guess what....its working big time. Sometimes, life is a give and take situation and in this case, it seems like it.

[BW]

According to Breadwinner, this is actually an invasion of privacy but the US is actually using the hubascope to catch criminals in America...and guess what....its working big time. Sometimes, life is a give and take situation and in this case, it seems like it.

I think you missed my point. These sort of all-encompassing surveillance systems are a bad idea, no "give and take" about it. There's deprive us of essential liberties, and they don't give us any assurance they will work (and, indeed, they may end up creating more crime than we have now)

Consider the kind of people who will be watching you. Do you really know them, and can you really trust them? In our specific situation, can you honestly tell me there aren't criminal elements organized within the police force? How can you be certain that the guys behind the screen are there to protect you, instead of wanting to kidnap you?

They will know your movements, who you visit, what you do with your life. They will know when you leave your house in the morning. They will know when you have left your daughter or wife home alone. They will know your work hours. They will know when you go to the bank. They will know how much you deposit, and when you are most vulnerable.

Answer this: do you trust these people? Really? In a country as corrupt as ours?

Before you so willingly give up your privacy, take good account of how much you stand to gain (and how much you stand to lose). These ultra-surveillance systems are just a bad idea, and moreso in a country like ours. There's still many other things that need to be done (such as flushing out the corrupt police officers) before we even think about anything else.

[iiinharmony]

It seems to me that on such a serious topic as CRIME which attacks the very fabric of our lives by the very nature of crime that we will have been snowballed with replys and postings on this forum!
Crime is a nasty thing which can strike us at any given moment while we sit enjoying a drink at a bar or at home with our friends or on a beach or sleeping in our beds at night or day at our jobs anywhere and anytime by some pieces of garbage and sewer rats who stink and smell with a stench that makes you want to throw up...yet we go about our daily life as if it is okay?
Please,we need to get craking on this and place constant pressure upon the powers that be to solve the problem .....do I hear anything as yet ?

[KFCSpicy]

harmony yuh wasting yuh time with that plea. If yuh start a thread on how to eat toe nails with a chopstick then yuh go see how dat thread go pick up and run to 600 pages of replies. The lack of posts on this thread is indicative that people just dont want to know or cant be arsed to sort it out as it's not in their remit or a solely a government problem to solve. :(

[Scorpio]

Thank you for asking!
(1) I have written several letters to the Express offering to end crime in Trinidad and Tobago in eighteen months at a low cost and return Trinidad to the safety and security of 1960. No takers only people trying to steal my plans.
(2) I made several attempts to see the Attorney Genral and the Minister of National Security but I met with a bunch of people who acted like lackeys with one sole purpose: To protect the officials from ever hearing anyone outside of the Party!
(3) I tried letters but received replies from the same type of dummy who wants my plan so the letters went to the garbage.
I have just discovered this forum and I say it again:
(a) I can end crime in Trinidad in (18) months and solve the traffic congestion problems in two years for good at low cost.
Now if Panday had won I could have gotten an audience with him but Mr.manning and company ....it seems impossible not because they will not see me but because the wall of idiots who place themselves between the PNM Governmnet officals and the people with solid ideas and the means and ways of getting the job done are too much of a headache to deal with so I guess we wait another five years for a new government which will remove the wall of idiots from around the government officials and allow them to hear new ideas from people who love their country like I am sure Mr.Manning does.

Maybe those "same type of dummies" and the "wall of idiots" think you're a dummy with an idiotic plan, have you considered that ?? :twisted:

[Somebody007]

According to Breadwinner, this is actually an invasion of privacy but the US is actually using the hubascope to catch criminals in America...and guess what....its working big time. Sometimes, life is a give and take situation and in this case, it seems like it.

I think you missed my point. These sort of all-encompassing surveillance systems are a bad idea, no "give and take" about it. There's deprive us of essential liberties, and they don't give us any assurance they will work (and, indeed, they may end up creating more crime than we have now)

Consider the kind of people who will be watching you. Do you really know them, and can you really trust them? In our specific situation, can you honestly tell me there aren't criminal elements organized within the police force? How can you be certain that the guys behind the screen are there to protect you, instead of wanting to kidnap you?

They will know your movements, who you visit, what you do with your life. They will know when you leave your house in the morning. They will know when you have left your daughter or wife home alone. They will know your work hours. They will know when you go to the bank. They will know how much you deposit, and when you are most vulnerable.

Answer this: do you trust these people? Really? In a country as corrupt as ours?

Before you so willingly give up your privacy, take good account of how much you stand to gain (and how much you stand to lose). These ultra-surveillance systems are just a bad idea, and moreso in a country like ours. There's still many other things that need to be done (such as flushing out the corrupt police officers) before we even think about anything else.


Breadwinner, I know what you are saying but don't you think that crime is becoming more sophisticated that we will need to step up with our current technological frameworks to deal with the situation. Look at how people does say that fast boats are being used on the sea....and these speed boats can go undetected on a radar system.....even some of them 'submarines' on the ocean floor is not being picked up on radar....and maybe alot of other stuff, authorities will not be able to trace even if they could tap into your email accounts and telephone messages.

I perfectly understand your comment with respect to who is really watching you and do you trust these people.....when I was typing on this thread initially, I was thinking on how can we significantly impact on reducing the drug trade....because at least 50% of crime in the entire caribbean has a direct/indirect link to drugs.....at least this is what criminologists and sociologists believe...and if we can tackle the drug trade, then we can deal with a big chunk of crime in the caribbean....

Crimes of Passion is a totally different story here......

[lexbarker]

I still remembered reading a report some years ago that the ScotlanYard (I believe) was not getting good cooperation from the Chief of Police and other high officials. It was suspected that they were part of the problem.

[skl]

1. clean up the Police service, mandatory drug testing, higher pay, better qualifications. no more suffling around of suspect cops.

1b. while we're at it id make mandatory drug testing a condition of emplyment in the governement service ---civil servants, teachers, statutary board members, MPs etc.

2. restore law and order in "no go areas". there are several places in trinidad where the police will not go. those areas have become gang controlled fiefdoms. there needs to be a police operation in those areas. and the maintainance of police posts.

3. AFTER the police of cleaned up those depressed areas then a economic.social redevelopment plan needs to be implemented in those same areas so that the gangs cant reestablish themselves. I remember Robert Amar pointing out that there were no KFCs or pharmacies in LAvantille no small business of any kind.

4. tied to this needs to be an operation at the other end. Money has to go somewhere. even millionaires needs to account for the source of thier fuunds.

5. go up the chain. its easy to catch the street level guys. whats difficults is the will to go up the chain.

6. expand the judicairy. we REALLY need to double the number of Magistrates and judges to deal with the caseload.

[kemist]

1. clean up the Police service, mandatory drug testing, higher pay, better qualifications. no more suffling around of suspect cops.



I was wondering if police officers or any other officers with authority e.g customs, coast guards, etc. has to declare their assets?

[dee_dee]

1. clean up the Police service, mandatory drug testing, higher pay, better qualifications. no more suffling around of suspect cops.

1b. while we're at it id make mandatory drug testing a condition of emplyment in the governement service ---civil servants, teachers, statutary board members, MPs etc.

2. restore law and order in "no go areas". there are several places in trinidad where the police will not go. those areas have become gang controlled fiefdoms. there needs to be a police operation in those areas. and the maintainance of police posts.

3. AFTER the police of cleaned up those depressed areas then a economic.social redevelopment plan needs to be implemented in those same areas so that the gangs cant reestablish themselves. I remember Robert Amar pointing out that there were no KFCs or pharmacies in LAvantille no small business of any kind.

4. tied to this needs to be an operation at the other end. Money has to go somewhere. even millionaires needs to account for the source of thier fuunds.

5. go up the chain. its easy to catch the street level guys. whats difficults is the will to go up the chain.

6. expand the judicairy. we REALLY need to double the number of Magistrates and judges to deal with the caseload.

We need to start with this one first. Tidy up the DPP's office so that more attorneys will be better able to make court appearances and not hinder the judicial process. A murder case should not take over a year to be heard.
Police officers need to be better equipt so witnesses can be found and brought to court. Slack police officers who love to miss court dates should be disciplined.
A better witness protection programme needs to be implemented.
Put someone with law enforcement experience in the Minister of National Security chair and at the same time hire a Commissioner of Police with balls who would say "fork you "to politicians
Investigate all reports of corruption against police officers and deal with it immediately when evidence is provided not transfer these officers.
Fire all them slackers on the Police Executive who have all the gang leaders on their speed dials and like to party and entertain these criminals at Cristmas time and eat wild meat with them
Police need to start acting like police and let criminals know they have no say

[kemist]

Investigate all reports of corruption against police officers and deal with it immediately when evidence is provided not transfer these officers.



good point. I think one problem is investigating those reports. In a place where every1 knows every1, and some of these corrupt officers are senior ones, its difficult to get the police investigating their own.

I know of one case where two opposing politicians worked together in an attempt to get rid of one particular senior officer. There wasnt enough evidence against him, so since they couldnt fire or demote him, they had him transferred out of his department but he had to be promoted for the other job. For someone who got a promotion, he was really vex about getting transferred, which I interpret as him no longer being in a position to continue with his 'alleged' illegal activities and profiting from them.

[skl]

does the TT police have an Internal Affairs Dept ? to police themselves ?

[dee_dee]

does the TT police have an Internal Affairs Dept ? to police themselves ?

Internal Affairs department will be the Anti Corruption Investigations Bureau, which in a way is himself investigating himself
Personally I think a board (independent one at that) should be appointed to investigate allegations against law enforcement officers, whether it be police , army, coast guard etc

[KFCSpicy]

who policing the police? Well I sure this question was asked by someone else in another thread...not sure! But my response was that I cud remember the office that holds IAD is based in POS on the corner of Duke and Abercromby or Park and Abercromby (cah recall as it's been awhile) sorry if this is inaccurate eh guys.

[snowbird]

What is needed in T&T are stronger Police detection skills, and a much swifter Court / System. Right now the system you have there fails to act as a deterrent; as a matter of fact it does just the opposite, it encourages crime when it shows how easy it is to commit crime and get away with it.

[trinisuckz]

what we need are additional POlice/Army Mobile Offices Setup around More strategic positions in trinidad.
Have consistent Mobile patrols on the nations Main Highways 24 hours a day!

PUT the essential CCTV systems in place for ALL major Places of Business in trinidad, Chaguanas, POS, Sanfernando, etc..... monitor these areas carefully.

Place CCTV systms in the HOT spots in Trinidad without them knowing, All areas that are known for Festering Criminals should be Monitored.

Train the police force Properly in the USe of firearms, so that these police chases may end sooner with less innocent peoples lives being put at risk.

Bring back PUnishment in schools, teach the younger generation some darn Discipline and behaviour.

HANG man, Hang man, HAng man, Hang man, HAng man, Bring him back and set some examples!

All sentenced criminals in the system should be implanted with GPS chips - so that their locations are ALWAYS known!

Utilize and Improve on the GPS capabilities of Cell phones so that all of these kidnapping cases can be much harder to actually attempt, due to tracking!

We can make a safer trinidad .

[brag]

It should be a crimal offence to threaten a member fo the Court or anyone attending a court trial. It should be an automatic five years when a threat is made against a judge, magistrate, defense attorney, prosecuting attorney or witnesses. The threat against CM, McNichols, is so outrageous.

[iiinharmony]

May I ask you folks to not leave " Supt.Chandraban Maharaj" out to dry ?
The investigation into the allegations made by this Senior Police Officer against Other Senior Police officers and officers seem to be dragging and seems to be heading for a " Cover UP" ?????
It is here on these forums ( thanks to the Guardian and the Internet ) "we can do something to help win the " War on Crime".
Please,come up with ideas as to how and what we can do now ( right now) with our cell phones ,our computers,our common sense ...what can we do to make certain this police officer does not end up shot or killed by some so called criminal or shot by accident or suddenly commits suicide etc because he is saying he is fearful for his life and the officer appointed to investigate the allegations still has not completed the investigation into the disappearance of drugs form the Princess Town Police Station so it is my suggestion that we do not rush to judgement but we need to come up with ideas as to what WE CAN do as individuals and collectively to see that the merits or demerits of his allegations are properly brought to light and not covered up or simply shoved aside.....so people,get up off your " yappings" and " joking" and let us see what we could do now.... then do it!
I have confidence in you folks to be more than just people yapping here but we have the force to force change let us do it now or let us then " go quietly into the night and simply hustle our coward tails between our legs and shut to heck up or let us do it now and Get it done people.

[KFCSpicy]

harmony yuh real optimistic about the arm chair critics on here but I like yuh style. :D

[trinisuckz]

PUBLIC Hangings, Electric CHAIR, Boil the guilty criminals in OIL,

rapists and child molesters - they DESERVE to Suffer before death!

GEt rid of them by any means possible!

talk done!

[vaio]

PUBLIC Hangings, Electric CHAIR, Boil the guilty criminals in OIL,

rapists and child molesters - they DESERVE to Suffer before death!

GEt rid of them by any means possible!

talk done!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

[trinisuckz]

vaio- sorry but there are people who are all for human rights and feel compassion and forvigeness for wrong do-ers!
Some people believe that criminals can be rehabilitated!

Im one of those who has given up on the human emotion in criminals in trinidad, its a different breed of people nowadays!
If these criminals want to Kill and rape innocent people for nothign but hate and spite then they should be dealth with accordingly!
maybe my arguments for taking matters into my own hands are a bit extreme, But if left up to the authorities they will simply become another inmate of the state where my HArd earned money goes towards their feeding and shelter until they release them back into socitey to continue what they never intended to stop.

[KFCSpicy]

i think he looking for attention so I done wid he rantings. He obviously fevered and delirious and need some Love in he life. :)

[vaio]

vaio- sorry but there are people who are all for human rights and feel compassion and forvigeness for wrong do-ers!
Some people believe that criminals can be rehabilitated!

Im one of those who has given up on the human emotion in criminals in trinidad, its a different breed of people nowadays!
If these criminals want to Kill and rape innocent people for nothign but hate and spite then they should be dealth with accordingly!
maybe my arguments for taking matters into my own hands are a bit extreme, But if left up to the authorities they will simply become another inmate of the state where my HArd earned money goes towards their feeding and shelter until they release them back into socitey to continue what they never intended to stop.

i'm sorry trini but i find those measure quite extreme...and if you do that to the criminals that what does that make you....better!!???. no it does not...

i understand that we may be frustrated but that is why we have laws and courts to deal with the offenders....you are talking abt cruelty to human beings, they are not animals....you want to implement penalties like in those extremist countries....

the crime situation does make me sick beyond words but torturing ppl won't make me feel any better and i am sure that if you were put in a situation to torture these criminals yourself...you won't feel good abt it.....

[KFCSpicy]

^^^ don't be so sure Viao. I mean do we really claim to know each others limits on here?

He may well jump up and down at the chance as well as he may not. But from his past posts I get the feeling it is the former choice.

[vaio]

^^^ :shock: :shock: ....

[trinisuckz]

vaio- one question will sum it up- are you FOR or against the DEATH penalty?

Im ALL for the death penalty- i find that trinidad needs to start back bussing necks Daily !

There are many inmates who need to be hung for their crimes!

[vaio]

i am FOR the death penalty either a lethal injection or hanging.....but not boiling ppl in OIL!!! or torturing them in any way....

[KFCSpicy]

^^^^hee hee heeeeeeee :lol:

[trinisuckz]

then at least we agree on some line - Hang the guilty! do it NOW- what are they waiting for?

:roll:

[vaio]

^^Not boil them in OIL right :?

[trinisuckz]

well some guilty criminals - Quick death is too good for them!
Child molesters and rapists have injured people for their entire lives and should be PUNISHED! so they need to feel some pain.

[Ali]

^BOIL IN OIL!!! :shock: .......nah boy

BUT HANG THEM DRY!!! :x

[vaio]

^^ Agreed to both points...once due process of law has been completed.... :geek:

[trinisuckz]

vaio- ever heard the term- " the law is an arse" ?

there are so many loop holes within the "system" more so in Trinidad where everyone knows someone!

and what? the innocent pays the price? come on!

[vaio]

^^Trini....the law is an arse?? :? ....how can you blame the law itself....you need to blame the system ....if we have proper checks, these things will not happen, we must have accountability and checks in place so that these ppl who are there to protest and serve..

[kemist]

hmmmm perhaps now is a good time to go into the angry mob buisness. "Get yuh cutlasses here, 20% off crooksticks, rope- $7 ah poun!" And as soon as it pick up, ah go hire ah manager to run it and go foreign, and spend my money there, because i eh wanna get kidnap.

ok back to reality.

I prefer to see the DNA bills get passed (and the necessary measures put in place )
b4 hangings are resumed.

edited : ok may thats just a wish, not reality

[brag]

What we wish for others is not different from what we wish for ourselves, for there is no other, bu the one universal self. Build more smaller jails and rehabilitate the criminals with compassionate care and treatment. It is the only way out of this mess we ourselves created in T&T.

Just think about how it all got started--from the little bribes we give to get a job or favor here and there, etc. It has a long history in T&T. Did we all stand on our own two feet and merit what we have today by our hard work. Think about it. The whole culture of T&T is about who can help another get something through who knows whom--not necessarily by merit or our own hard work.

What we don't realize is that every problem in life is based not on the outside but our own reflection of who we really are, how we think and how we behave as selfish individuals. There is no other way out, but constant reflection on who we are, and making the needed change.

[vaio]

@ kemist.....the DNA bill once passed and implemented can really assist our enforcers in their duty.....

[iiinharmony]

It is with a huge amount of sadness and amazement that I read your post and please,know deep in your hearts that I sincerely respect your right to say what you want at all times within the guidelines set out by the Site Administrators, but it is with heavy heart I keep on reading and ,reading ,and reading every line you write my brothers and sisters and yet not a single mention ( except for the prediction that none of you will respond made by KFC SPICY) of anything or any offer or call or support for this Police Officer who must be having grave regrets about not taking the promotion and fulling up his pockets and getting rich like the corrupted ones because he may be rapidly accepting that he shall be hung out to dry and face the murderers and corrupted police alone...it is truly sad to see this and as for those of you who are prescribing punishments for Criminals please,remember they have to be caught first and where we have corrupted police officers presided over by seemingly corrupted poilce officers who are promoted to higher ground little wonder the criminals need not worry about your prescription of horrors by way of punishment because they will not have to face it because they shall not be caught and convicetd and then punished if all we do here is flap and yap and accoriding to SPICY KFC " arm chair critics " harping and yapping but deliberately avoiding any and all attempts to do anything at all from sending an email to making a phone call to a minister or to the members of parliament or to the opposition members and leader to the Newspaper( The Guardian ) asking them to get on this and protect this man and do something now....here we are just yapping and or not doing anything at all ...it is so easy to point a finger from the shadows and do nothing but please,let us cast of the Coward's cloak and clothe ourselves with some back bone and try to at least do something now.
I am disappointed very disappointed people.

[vaio]

^^^iinharmony.....i hope you are doing you part instead of flapping and yapping...

and if you feel that all of us just sit here and try not to do anything, then my friend you are so wrong, you don't know what some of us do in our lives in an effort to make things better....

Your focus seems to be on Mr Maharaj, but i believe he has been in the service for sooo many years and is NOW talking a step.....well better late that never right..... :roll: :roll:

[brag]

We never know how a word, a thought, an idea, etc., when expressed reaches another to change the world in time.

[KFCSpicy]

vaio- ever heard the term- " the law is an arse" ?

there are so many loop holes within the "system" more so in Trinidad where everyone knows someone!

and what? the innocent pays the price? come on!


You would know about the loopholes cause u beat up a man and proudly exclaiming it online and yuh not in jail. So de law is an arse wid bobby socks for letting u and your cohorts go. :D

[iiinharmony]

Viao,my friend,please,re-read my POSt again and give yourself clearly to understabd that my post specifically asked and appealed and begged each of us here on this forum to :- Quote my Post of November 29,2007at 9.20:am
"" It is here on these forums ( thanks to the Guardian and the Internet ) "we can do something to help win the " War on Crime".
Please,come up with ideas as to how and what we can do now ( right now) with our cell phones ,our computers,our common sense ...what can we do to make certain this police officer does not end up shot or killed by some so called criminal or shot by accident or suddenly commits suicide etc"" Unquote.
So,my dear Viao,there is a bit of a misibterpretation here but nothing which we cannot amicably sort out as you can see it is an appeal for us here to come up with ideas and share it with each other and then take immediate action each of us individually and yet collectively to assit this Senior Police Officer because it does not matter why he took so long because we can guess at many reasons and one obvious reason is the fellow has ro look after his wife and kids and he needs his pension so he waited till he would be avle to safely retire and prepared and planned for this as you can see he applied for a gun permit because he knew what he was going to do maybe his children are now safely out of the country so revenge cannot ve taken against them because a man who loves his family is always placed in a postion of being " Hostage" to them because one shall be able to feel the fear for one's life and face up to it aolne and do not allow the fear to stop one from acting righteously but when one has to worry about the children and the wife one is held hostage and he seems to have no fear of the corrupted police officers if he as a gun also because they surely have one also and remember maybe he feels the Government may do something now surely not the Police who sends an officer to investigate who has a less than sterling record for completing investigation sinto police corruption!
So please,let us really start something here without fear and get these crooks off the force if they are crooks as the Senior Superintendedt says ...put away our blankets and stop yawning and get up and get our collective behinds moving!
Thanks Viao

[kemist]

iinharmony,

perhaps ordinary citizens are just not capable of doing much for that superintendent. Obviously we cannot physically stand guard at his home to protect him and we cannot investigate the matter for ourselves. (i know you were not implying those things). I am just asking how much can an ordinary citizen really do? It seems to be in the hands of the investigators and the courts.

We can probably write to our MP's and media editorials, that
1)We don't want this man to get killed. We want him to be able to testify if it comes to that. I am unaware whether or not he is under state protection, if not, perhaps this is something people can call for, but how?
2) We want a fair and thorough investigation.
3)If found guilty, we want those offenders to be penalized appropriately.

I don't have any ideas on how an ordinary citizen can have an impact on 2 & 3 above. And perhaps not many people think that writing to their MP's would result in them taking any sort of action, especially with the election season over. And maybe people just don't have faith in the media.
I understand and agree with your general message iinharmony , if I got it right it's that the country is at a point where citizens need to get more actively involved in the issues, but that i feel is easier said than done, since there's only so much that we can do, and to do the little that we can do, would require a 'cultural' change.

[iiinharmony]

You are very right Kemist and thank you for your input.
Many years ago I read this," Have we by the things we have done or have not done contributed to the impoverishment of human reality ?"
I never ,ever,finished reading the book ( that was somewhere in the Introduction ) because I remained stuck on that question and what did it really mean.
To some it will have no meaning and to others it shall have some meaning so strong within itself that we are forced to demand and bring out the humanity within ourselves whether we want to or not yet for others who have become so steeped in selfishness and self agrandizement that such a question to them is like " spitting in the wind" for it does not go anywhere tangible.

That aside it is my sincere belief that we could each do something or come up with something.
Some of us could locate the email addresess of the Members of Parliament.

Some of us can get at least ten people to get ten people to get ten people to sign a petition and send or hand deliver copies of these petitions to the President ,the press,the heads of religious bodies,School Principals;get students to start Texting Messages to the President, members of Parliament and sending letters to all the Newspapers in support of thie Senior Police officer.

They will Publish and pay attention to numbers.

Send letters to each of the Appeal court Judges and all tell the Judges and magistrates;get students at the University and High Schools involved all those people who have been victims of kidnapping and all those business people and all the diplomatic missions here ...yes there is a lot we can do.

We can all send letters and emails to CNN and the BBC asking for their help to expose this corrupt situation which we know exist in the Police service because tsome of then have to be corrupt because drug dealers do not hide to sell drugs they do it quite openly!

Some of us are great at putting proposals and petitions together so put some together for us and we can all get them moving because it has to start somewhere and we here can surely provide the leadership and get things going if we really put our efforts into it because as we believe we shall achieve...so could anyone here prove to me that YOU as an individual is incapable of doing something positive to move this forward ? Or serious convince all of us that there is nothing you can do?

Come on folks a lot of you have criticised from the Prime Minister to the Minister of National Security to the Leaders of the Opposition about they not doing their jobs etc and many of you spoke like you coukd do a better job well how could you do these guys job and you cannot even get a petition drive going?
Please,come now people show some courage and backbone! Let us get this done.Let us do this.

[KFCSpicy]

:shock: and I thought I used to write some long posts :o

[iiinharmony]

George Bernard Shaw once said," He who has nothing to say cannot write!"

Quite Frankly you could write and say what ever you wish and direct your spiles and rants and raves and cricticisms at who or whatever you wish as far as I know as long as you obey the rules which you and all of us agreed to when you and all of us clicked on " I agree."

Quite,frankly,it is a well known fact that I do not give a flying bat's behind for you fresh water yankees,rotten salmon canucks and grapefruit limeys, who fled our shores with lies that we are not nice people here and our country is going to pieces ...all yuh pleaded with and fooled the foreign people into believing that things are so bad here that it is a matter of life and death to let you into dey country.

In all yuh mind de TNT ship was sinking and like rats desert ( ((don't blame dem rats only Gallant Captains ,Officers ,and Crews go down with their Ships)))) a sinking ship all yuh ran to wherever but as it turns out we remained at home in our beloved TNT and ,like Manning and Panday, and Martin Joseph and Dookeran,we weathered the storms from economic down turns to coups to the traffic congestions to the crime waves to the high food prices...we weathered the storms and things are looking up real nice for us all ...and now all of ah sudden all yuh want to come back here on this Forum and have de gall to flap all yuh yap like all yuh is real Trini with all yuh fresh water yankee passport etc...how dare you tell me how much to write ?

It is none of your darn business de only people who could tell me that is the Site Administrators and you eh one of dem because based on your nasty fresh water yankee language ah done know you eh have the intelligence and skill set to put down a wok like dem Site Administrators!

Yuh could talk and say what yuh want from now on because I eh listening to you and this is de last ever post yuh go ever get from me because you eh worth my time we have better and way bigger fish to fry than little half illiterate grase eating KFC sprat like you! look at your choice of name ..KFC SPICY ...is that yuh hero ? Ah set ah people selling nasty and greasy salt soaked mess to the Public? It is your right but not our desire here in dis country of TNT we eat Roti and Goat.Bara;Doubles;Coconut Bake and Saltfish down at the Breakfast Shed and nice TNT food at the " Living Waters" on Frederick street by the jail and we hit de Mecca for we TNT food and roti at late night so what happen if some Trinis here eat KFC ? They used to Eat McDonald too but ah look around and is " Whey de junk food gone?" KFC time eh come yet but it coming sooner dan it tink! We are educating our people not speak like you do and not to want to seek de tings you seek and eat the garbage food all yuh does eat over dey and we go win de war of garbage food too just as we go win de war on crime!

Peanut warned you.

Sorry for those of you who have issues about TNT and how much we write because this is not America where you are always reminded to " be quiet...do not speak so much...silence... etc "

This is a Place where YOU Fresh Water yankees have no say at all because the Privilege which is allowed you and all of us here by The Guardian of Democracy,The Trinidad Guardian,is not allowed you by the Yankees and Canucks and Limeys because they do not want to HEAR what you have to say because they assume they already KNOW what you have to say is irrelevant,garbage,stupid and plain doltish and nonsensical which they and their readers do not have time to waste on and of course they are not " dating sites" neither is this Forum ( why don't you ask the Site Administrators).
They have graciously allowed you people who are so inclined to confabulate with other members the option of PM = Private Message so if you do not have anything relevant and sensible to say or you do not " like it here" I am sure that the Site Administrators shall allow you to freely depart.There is no charge to come and depart.

[vaio]

@iiinharmony...paragraphing really helps....try it more nah....pls... :mrgreen:

your attacks on ppl who have decide to leave T&T is uncalled for....since their reasons for leaving are so varied....why do you see it as abandonment..... :? ...if i were to leave T&T for a better opportunity elsewhere, where crime is lower...that makes me a traitor... :? :roll:

I agree with your points on doing something or rather anything so that we can ensure that our country is perhaps liveable again one day.....

With all your great long posts....i hope that your letters were sent out....have started petitions, etc...which will get us nowhere....all of these things as good as they may sound and which may or shld work in theory will not work in real, since it is a culture change which must be effected from the top....

there are lots of ppl who are making a change from the bottom....community groups who look out for each other in their communities....but its the ones at the top...gov't, ministers, judicial personnel, etc.....the citizens will call - don't you recall Cadiz efforts ....what happened there???

[dancerboy]

The answer is blowing in the wind. The solution is so simple everyone is overlooking it. Enforce the laws stricly. It is that simple. There is very little crime in SINGAPORE. Does anyone remember (or forget) the american teenager who was flogged there for graffiti.?, Do you think he will go back there again ?, Do you think he would encourage his friends to go there ?. The fear of punishment is an elixir for crime. Peolple in New York will bounce a check, no big thing.The 'state' i live in you go to jail for bouncing cheeks. Do you think people in this state "bounce" checks ? If you play your music too loud, you could go to jail. A man was sent to jail for seven days, because the police had to visit him three times in a week for the same complaint. Do you think people in this "state' play music to disturb their neighburs ? So my friends there goes the answer. Making laws on top of laws and not enforcing them will solve nothing (no pun intended). The money spent on the blimp would have been better spent on hiring more police officers. If you have enough police officers on the ground, you will have very little use for the blimp. In most "first world" countries ( which the gov't is hoping to achieve by 20/20), the police use helicopters to search for the criminals, but it is the police officer on the ground who makes the collar. That's one way to bring criminals to "heel". dancerboy

[brag]

That is why I say build more jails, but treat them well because we encouraged many not to take the law seriously. Trinis grew up believing that beating the system is a great feat. Well, a little more eforcement of the law will certainly begin the process of helping all respect the law, but it is not fair to punish them seriously for the first offense after we sent out the messsage that you can be a hero for beating the system.

[citizen]

I made a similar suggestion as dancerboy at least a year or two ago, drawing the reference to Singapore. However, the overwhelming opinion at that time was that Trinis would not put up with the enforcement of such stringent laws. As dancerboy said: "The solution is so simple everyone is overlooking it".

Appropriate punishment is the best deterrent to crime and criminals, especially if you let the populace know what the consequences are. Just ask anyone where Islamic law reigns supreme.

But those practices are barbaric and inhumane! Right? Wrong! They are just what we need, but our leader has neither the testicular nor intestinal fortitude to institute such "harsh" punishment.

[KFCSpicy]

iiiharmony like u have a stutter so yuh posts unendurably long. I hope the mods monitoring u cause i doh appreciate yuh pms eh? The mods like to talk about going off topic and eh see none of them pull yuh up...unless 03 do so privately.

But u cud hate on me cause I have a better life and choose to have a better life me eh care. And I eh going and apologise to u or anyone else on here for that. I blessed no rass. I didn't have to travel to escape nothing and lie about nothing, detective columbo... my skills and education and a little something called "Freedom" have me partly where I am and God carrying me the rest of the way.

~You need love and u need to stop stalking women on here via posts and stop asking me private questions that have no concern to u or your well being.

~Once again talk about crime on the thread and doh forget that none of us on here gives a rats fleeing baxide what u think about us on here. You take it allll to heart if u have one...and do u; but avoid stalking me via pm please.

Is because of soul less people and disrespect for others that crime is such a big factor. All yuh may think that all yuh above and beyond some of these criminals but some of all yuh displaying behaviour patterns and thoughts that not far from amoral so that makes some of all yuh no different from the average petty murdering teefing criminal. Before all yuh cast stones and judge with long posts (like this one :D ) look at yuh own self.

Physicians heal thyselves. :evil:

[vaio]

^K...another stalker.... :? ....what is wrong with ppl....steups.....

i say to start with the small things....i am glad that one police officer is on bribery charges....we need to find all those who are crooked....charge them...let public confidence in the protective services reign once again.....

[brag]

I know what I am saying below may sound a bit crazy to some and would never be a popular position. But again, I am not running for any kind of office. We need to think more deeply about it, since it is the law of action and rebound, also know as the law of karma. Karma is also the law of love whose most ancient basis is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and which brings about all kinds of human transformations.

More and different kinds of jails are necessary for more transformation or to save people from themselves. Some transformations will take longer for some than others, but the law of karmic love will always prevail.

The point of building more jails is to remove as many first time and other criminals away from the general public while all look for ways of reducing crime to a minimum. That is one of the reasons why we have many volunteers doing counselling in jails, but not enough. The passage of time can also be a great healer for those who seem beyond rehabilitation. Karmic love is dynamic and resolute, taking everyone to great heights.

The bare bone fact is that everyone creates the conditions for his/her own victimization. It does not call for less sympathy for victims, but more action of every kind, and always thought towards the innocent who may be inadvertantly incarcerated. Without self awareness and self inquiry, anyone can be a potential criminal and victim, as well. The conditions that create victimization are not always visible from the outside. Something in peoples' personalities may attract them to each other, and bring about some victimizations.

We often wonder why some people can live an entire lifetime without being the subject of as much as a single victimization. I remember we had some staff members who were repeatedly victimized in the field. The victimizer can spot them coming from miles away, like some kind of magnetic attraction, or perhaps like they once knew each other, and it was payback time.

The same kind of victimization often happens to many children who are abused physically and sexually in the homes of their own parents. We place them in foster homes, and they often get repeatedly abused by someone in the foster home, as if it was just waiting to happen.

Let us truly face the fact of the most ancient law of karma, but we do not become less sympthetic, since we too depend on this law of karma for learning and doing our duties with love--the duties of doing unto others as we would have them do unto us.

[iiinharmony]

My Buck taught me very well how to deal with people who are ignorant and cover up their ignorance by saying things which in their minds are calculated to
((( worry or bother or have some kind of adverse effect upon people whom they ( in their very minds) view as " above and way beyond their comprehension ".
This they probably think in their ignorance ))).....

He said," Son,completely ignore them because by trying to engage them in intelligent debate is like trying to catch a mosquito with a seine.
" He said Son,yuh cyar reason with a latrine fly telling the fly it will get better food in the kitchen sink!
So doh even try!"

I have to apologise for my Buck for straying slughtly from the path but Dad,I am back on track never to ever stray again!

Now to your Post,Mr.Brag.

Your argument is vested in the Western Way of Crime Solution which is doomed to failure because every Crime Solution which some of the Western Countries have come up with has been neutralized by its abject failure .....from Nixon's law and Order Campaign to President Kennedy's Sargent Shriver Programs to Florida and Louisianna's " Hell Hole " Prisons ...they all failed because the reality of the situation is this:

They only jail the " little people" while the majority of the " Big Fish" the organizers of criminal activity ( which is a very,very,lucrative activity) remain at large to recruit more poor people to serve their criminal enterprises and so the " crime beat goes on!"

In the TNT Republic we shall put into place operations which will " snuff" out crime like a candle is "snuffed" out in a fierce storm .

We are not going to build more Jails ,but ,actually we may have to tear down some jails and shift some Prison Officers to other areas of Government employ.
Some of you are going to scream and say,"What " it is and say when " or,"You talking stupidness "and all the usual expressions of ignorance and stupidity but nevertheless the answer shall be a resounding and deafening Silence.
Mr Brag your Post was well written and your ideas very clear but sorry," wrong country,not for TNT."

[brag]

I do agree with you that every country is unique in how some things are done and work best. Just copying what others do is not always the way to go, but it is not always wrong to try new ideas, especially those that are tested elsewhere and work well.

I just feel I have an idea from where you are coming, but I can't be sure. I must make mention, though, that it is usually an expectation that when we object to or critize what others say, we also put forward our own recommendations and solutions as alternatives. So tell us how you intend to rehabilitate perpetrators of crime in T&T by whipping them when they break the law, and how do you control the rage and anger created in the process?

What about the many innocent people who become victims of the law, prosecuted by some people who have no conscience in how they gather, or manufacture information and administer the law? In other words, how do you compensate the many who innocently end up in jail by faulty or fabricated evidence or just by not having a competent defense attorney or did not have the money to secure the high powered attorneys to defend their innocence?

Do you know how many innocent people were executed (put to death) because of bad information and faulty evidence presented in court, how many are in jail only because someone had good connections and managed to victimize them?

Things are not as black and white as you seem to suggest, my boy.

[trinisuckz]

just curious , how many of you here have seen the inside of Trinidads golden grove?
Its actually very comfortable! the prisioners there have very good accomodations, talk to some of the people whoo frequent there- inside there they have no worries about shelter, food or anything, its like a damn holiday for some!

PUNISHMENT is what we need- a good whipping every day and HARD wuk in the hot sun!
they need to be afraid of prison, they need to bleed daily for their crimes!
They shoudl NEVER ever want to go back to prison!

that would help!
and those on DEATH ROW_ please procees to stretch and buss their necks!

[KFCSpicy]

:( sigh... I see de Prozac finish. :roll:

[brag]

I have never even seen a building that houses inmates at Golden Grove, and I do not even know where the Golden Grove prison is at Golden Grove, but what does that have to do with the issue of rehabilitation of prison inmates?

Punishment is meant to deter the offence from being repeated and must be administered according to the degree of the crime committed. How would anyone like being whipped every day for a first time offence or for being at the wrong place at the wrong time, and getting caught up in a situation for which they had litle or no control.

Hard work never kills anyone, and it is appropriate to work prisoners twelve hours a day to pay for their cost in prison. Most successful employees work mor hours than that. Prisoners can have a savings account as motivation for hard work for the day when they are released. Developing the necessary skills for when they leave jail is a must. Many of these criminals may never have worked a day in their lives, and know nothing about work as discipline.

Learning strict discipline is perhaps the greatest rehabilitation program that can benefit most people. It can be a great tonic for many prisoners, not the kind of whipping, etc., that some are quick to suggest.

[iiinharmony]

Ever hear of a Prison named " Angola ?"

It is one of the worst prisons in the USA.It is situated in the State of Lousianna in or near the town of Angola,Louisianna.

Now look at the crime rate in New Orleans alone and actually just look at the " Murder Rate" alone.

New Orleans Battles Rising Crime Rate

The crime rate in New Orleans has continued to rise since the beginning of 2007, with 10 murders occurring in the last two weeks. NewsHour correspondent Betty Ann Bowser reports on the latest increase in violence and crime throughout the Big Easy.

Quoted from : http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan- ... 01-22.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june07/nocrime_01-22.html)
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

After a precious pause following Katrina, New Orleans appears to have returned to its 2004 murder rate, according to TIME's estimate. In 2004, the last full year before the hurricane, there were 56 murders for every 100,000 people, according to the FBI. That was about eight times the murder rate in New York City. Today, there are far fewer people in New Orleans, and so fewer dead bodies in absolute numbers. But in February, seven people were murdered. The tally this month, at four murders so far, looks headed in a similar direction. At this rate, 54 people will be murdered in New Orleans this year for every 100,000 people in the city. The New Orleans Police Department claims the murder rate is actually lower than this, largely because the department relies upon a an estimated population of 190,000 for the city. TIME is using a population estimate of 155,000 released on March 15 by RAND, a nonprofit research organization that has been asked to do regular estimates by the Bring New Orleans Back Commission.
Quoted http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 89,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1175489,00.html)
Unquote.
You should get the messgae here because New Orleans has a much smaller population than TNT.
The terror of the Angola Prisons means nothing to the murders.
We have a solution .Trust me and it is coming and it willnot fail.
We are not like America which fortells to the criminals what is coming so that they make plans to evade the plan.
We were not born yesterday and the Public does not always need to know everything only the results which they will experience.
Right now we are seeking to find a way to stop the " re-infection" of our system( when we clean and disinfect it) with the stinking criminals germs and viruses from the USA,Canadd and Britain...especially the USA,they are the worst and most difficult to rid the TNT Republic of!
So trust me we are on top of it!

[trinisuckz]

you see that "prison island" aka CArrerra that we have.

We should utilitize it to the fullest!
Drop off all criminals who are on death row, those who are guilty of Serious crimes , those who are guilty of sexual crimes and LEAVE them there to ROTT.
No food , no water!

Just think of it as trinidads small alcatraz!
:twisted:

[KFCSpicy]

^^^ummm sykoh boy...lol how much times we tell yuh to stop wid de extremes? Alcatraz didn't starve their inmates or treated them inhumanely enuff so that the Human Rights people would frown heavily on the frown thread.

Sigh!

So wait they not using the Carrera Island at all? :o :? But what de rass...I thought they were using it..but come to think of it if they were, haff them high risk prisoners would not get cell connection on Carrera or get word to anyone on the mainland to go kill so and so.

Sighhhhhhhhhh! This getting more sickening as the day goes by. :(

[brag]

harmony, please give us the pleasure of reviewing your thought of controlling crime in T&T. It would be better if you just come out and say that Islam has the only answer for crime--cut off their hands, pluck out their eyes, stone them to death, enslave them, boil them is hot oil, kill them, etc. Why are you dancing around the issue instead of saying what you really want to say? it seems like all you are doing is holding back what you really want to say. It migh be better saying it, and let the pieces fall where ever they may.

[trinisuckz]

We do nto NEED any of those human rights organisations( HRO ) here in trinidad!
When a prisioner is put to death or punished SO be it!
DO the crime do the time!
From the moment a bandit murders an INNOCENT person- they have forgoed their own right to life!

HANG them high and keep quiet- no damn HRO needs to know!

[brag]

Those human right organizations are the ones that fight for you when excesses in government controls become unbearable.

[trinisuckz]

some people believ in rehabilitation- it does not work in thr older and seasoned criminals.
I agree that the younger minds are the ones who must be taught nd brought up differently to create a better future, as for the current criminals and hardened lawbreakers.
Just get rid of them!

[lexbarker]

some people believ in rehabilitation- it does not work in thr older and seasoned criminals.
I agree that the younger minds are the ones who must be taught nd brought up differently to create a better future, as for the current criminals and hardened lawbreakers.
Just get rid of them!
I strongly believe in rehabilitation but only after you hang them.

[Jerann]

Firstly, The Prime Minister and the Authorities must be serious about curbing crime. You cannot stop crime. Only if they or their families are victims, you will see a change. Maybe they don't care about the victims, or the majority of the victims ... hence the current trend.

Then you need more Police, more Police Vehicles, better two way communication and dedicated (to their jobs) police personnel who will fight crime fearlessly and impartially.

You need to have stiffer penalties, better Prosecutors and not too much rights in jail (when you commit a crime, you forfeit your rights).

Get the Army involved. Have them placed at strategic points. Their presence could help deter crime.

The police is watching the people, who's watching the Police?

Thank you.

[Harry Williamn]

It seems to me that the comments made by some of you folks are way beyond my simple comprehension!

Some of you in your rage or hatred or discontent or whatever negatives which drive you folks who are anti-government and anti-PNM and anti Manning and anti Martin Joseph etc has lost it totally because the Gentleman who Posted the Topic asked for your Ideas ( am I right here ?) to fight crime and eradicate crime in so far as we are able to within the Law from our Country and if possible the world.

One reads some of your replies which says stuf like this: " Only if they or their families are victims, you will see a change. Maybe they don't care about the victims, or the majority of the victims ... hence the current trend"
Quoted from the Post by Mr.Jerann dated Dedember 08/2007.

Do you really expect us to believe what you wrote there ? Do YOU ?

It seems to be a trend which some of you on this Forum seems to be " pushing "....whenever anyone replies to your tirades and illogical,irrelevant and obnoxious ideas and statements so devoid of factoid that they are wild allegations at best and downright lies at worst.

How could you say that the Government does not care about crime etc unless it is their family who is involved?
You people ignore raw facts which can be proven any day.
If the Government does not care why are the jails overcrowed as well as detha row?

Why are there so many cases pending before the court?
Are you saying that these criminals waltzs down to the police station asked to be charged for their crimes and then waltz of to court and the Jail?
It is the same police and Government which you are lambasting who place the criminals in Jail.
Gentlemen and ladies ,display your intelligence not your ignorance.

[peanut]

Intelligence????

Let us not talk about the 83% [CoP figures of unsolved murders] what is the conviction rate of criminals?

The fact is even though the jails are overcrowded, crime continue to escalate, and those who are in jail are walking out of the courts as free men/women.

Here is another cold hard truth .. The Gov't prefer to buy a set of outdated limping blimps, eye in the sky with no one to man it, radars that criminals evade at ease in an attempt to hoodwink the population into believing they are trying to control crime. Let us not forget taking the criminals to Crowne Plaza to make deals with them before the election so that the crime stats can be manipulated to reflect imagined actions by the Min. of Nat in Security.

The jokiest part of that is, the dombfounded and dotish Pastor Manning could help but make yet a bigger asss of himself, by being amazed in the sudden rise in crime after election.

I will say this again, and it is my deepest desire to see every one of them in Gov't, and everyone of their supporters be the victim of crime, directly or indirectly. It is only then they will get up off their collective lazy baxides and really do something.

[Jerann]

That's what I think too. The criminals should start attacking the Government (officials), but they don't. Makes you want to believe, they are working FOR the Government !!!.

[citizen]

Why bite the hand that feeds you?

[iiinharmony]

Mr.Kemist:
At age 29 you are a fairly young and very intelligent gentleman. It seems to me that you ,like most of us who live in our beloved TNT Republic
( Mr.Kemist I do not know if you live here in Trinidad and Tobago and your living here has its relvance in many ways but it is not the Topic)....it seems to me that we wrote GCE London,Cambridge,CXC or whatever we wrote we did English 101.

We in TNT learned that when we are given a " a TOPIC " to write on or to comment on we have been trained to " remain on Topic."

Your " TOPIC " clearly asked ," WHAT ARE YOUR IDEAS ON FIGHTING CRIME ? Then you added a directive ," Please,leave the POLITICS" out of it !

It seems to me as I read some of the Post that some people simply do not really understand what it measn to stay on "TOPIC" and to leave the Politics out of it.

To those of you who simply have not understood what the TOPIC ask let me refresh or explain what it asked" IT ASKED FOR YOUR " IDEAS" ON COMBATTING CRIME.

Now if you have no ideas it is okay because not everyone can have ideas on some subjects but please,fro crying out loud ,stop killing us slowly witht he Anti -TNT ,ANTI-Government,Anti-Mannig,Anti-PNM,Anti-Police,Anti-Prison System,Anti-Courts,Anti-TNT Laws and my coconut,Anti-all kind ah ting over here !

The Post asked for IDEAS not outburst of Anti everything ! Like stick break in all yuh ears or what ? All yuh cyar hear ? It is " Ideas" not " High gears cussing out TNT and the PNM "....we kind ah tired ah that now ...please,start all yuh own post with that kind ah ting and let people with ideas ring out here on this post nuh!
We fed up ah hearing it because we live here and we know here and we like it here ...how much time we go tell all yuh so ?
Time to go to bed ah hah to get up latish to go to wok yes!

[KFCSpicy]

:roll:

[trinisuckz]

combatting crime! Buss necks!
Do it now!
Do it everyday!
bring back Floggings and WHippings.
it will slow down crime!

[KFCSpicy]

sighhhhhhhhhh. Time to ride out on all this nonsensical, irrelevant, implausible b.s. on here.

elvis is sooo leaving this sykoh building. ;)

[vaio]

combatting crime! Buss necks!
Do it now!
Do it everyday!
bring back Floggings and WHippings.
it will slow down crime!

:roll: ..gosh them things again.... :roll:

[iiinharmony]

Well Viao at least " trinisuckz" understands the " Topic" and has given an idea and not an " off Topic Harrangue!" So it is incumbent upon us who understands how to debate a " TOPIC" to show by logical argument that his " IDEA" cannot work and why.

" Trinisuckz": Consider this:-

No one can deny that if implemented your idea shall send criminals underground ( either hanged by the neck until dead and then burried by the State or they shall halt their criminals enterprises by going underground untill the attack blows over) and halt crime dean in its tracks.

Really ? You see " trinisuckz" there is very clear evidence that even when the Britsh used to " publickly " Hang " Pick-pockets" " Other Pick-pockets" were in the very crowd watching the " Hanging" and guess what? They were picking -pockets!

In the State of Texas President George W Bush (when he was Governor ) Executed a whopping (131) convicts and it did nothing that anyone can prove to stop the Murders in the State of Texas which continues unabated while he was he was Governor and continues today.

Quote:" GW Bush Has Executed 131 Inmates - Many With Seriously Flawed Trials
by Steve Mills, Ken Armstrong and Douglas Holt

AUSTIN, Texas — Under Gov. George W. Bush, Texas has executed dozens of Death Row inmates whose cases were compromised by unreliable evidence, disbarred or suspended defense attorneys, meager defense efforts during sentencing and dubious psychiatric testimony, a Chicago Tribune investigation has found.
While campaigning for president, Bush has expressed confidence in the fairness and accuracy of the death penalty system in Texas, the nation's busiest executioner. He has said he sees no reason for Texas to follow Illinois' lead by declaring a moratorium on executions.

But an investigation of all 131 executions during Bush's tenure found that the problems plaguing Illinois are equally pronounced in Texas and that additional flaws undermine the state's administration of society's ultimate punishment...."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/061100-01.htm
Unquote.

Quote : " Washington, DC: The Texas prison system grew faster than any other prison system in the country during the 1990s, adding nearly one out of every 5 prisoners to the nation's prison boom. In a new study to be released by the Washington, DC-based Justice Policy Institute on August 29th, the criminal justice think tank found that one out of every 20 adults in Texas were either in prison, jail, on probation or on parole. There are more people in prison in Texas than in any other state, and Texas' incarceration rate is second only to Louisiana.
"Out of every 20 adult Texans you meet, one is under criminal justice control," stated Vincent Schiraldi, the Institute's Director and report co-author. "The sheer numbers of people in prison and jail in Texas are signs of system fixated on punishment, and devoid of compassion."

http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/texas/texaspr.html

Unquote.

Need I go further to show that " hanging daily " may satisfy the rush for revenge and those of you who have not actually thought out what you wish to say before you say it here ...you know,the knee jerk reaction thing???

Check back during the very month Mr.Dole Chadee and his fellow convicted conspirators were hanged ...did you take time to check the murders and violent crimes which happened during that month ?

How much illegal drugs and guns were brought into the country and sold or and exported to the " drug crazy yankees " that month ?

Did anyone ever think upon the effect which the high and very obscene profits from the illegal drug trade has upon the crime in TNT ?

Is the illegal drug trade the fuel of the " crime wave " ?

If you want to hang a crimnal a day to keep murder at bay then ban all travel from Trinidad to the USA ,Britain and Canada unless what is going out from Trinidad and Tobago is searched with a fine tooth comb ( I mean every single purse and pocket and ship and schooner and air plane ) Search and Srarch and when it reach the USA and Britain and Canada more and more and more search even diplomatic pouches must be clear plastic bags etc ) see through purses ) ....if you do that then the drug dealers cannot ship the drugs to the lucrative markets over there and they will have to " drop the drug business here " and go to some other country.

Yeah,yeah,yeah,here all yuh cry of gosh " he must be mad ,we cannot do that etc ...who say we cannot do that ?

We are the TNT republic we do whatever our elected government wants to do as long as we place the laws in place so beat yuh gums all day and all night long only a drug traffiker should have to worry about that!

Decent Trinis doh carry out pleanty they does " bring down " plenty! The illegal drugs are going out to up dey and coming in from Venezuela..every one know that!

That is the very point " trinisuckz" if you find that shuting down the outgoing traffic is outrageous so do some people find that " hanging a crimnal a day is pass outrageous but at least you have given your idea.

may your detractors come up with an idea ? Or are they only " shooting blanks ?" Maybe they need some " cat milk?"

Milk a 9 year old cat and drink the milk an yuh go get some idea when the cat finish with yuh!

[JPersad]

1.Do whatever you can to protect yourself ,family and property at all times.
2.Demand that the government put in place an efficient "Witness Protection program ."
3.Demand that the government install an independent and empowered body to investigate and take the necessary action against any complaint against any law enforcement officers ,including and up to termination and loss of benefits to any officer found guilty .
4.Offer a real wage and better benefits to all law enforcement officers.
5.Give all law enforcements officers (including retirees ) the option to carry an off duty and concealed firearm at all times .
6.Build bigger and better jails .Treat inmates with respect and give them the opportunity to become law abiding citizens .(Most will not ,but it must be implemented for the few inmates who really want to change for the better .)
and
7.Citizens should ensure via the ballot that no government stays in power for more than 2 consecutive terms .This will keep the government of the day on their "P's and Q's ." and therefore work harder to facilitate a better quality of life for all citizens .

[iiinharmony]

Term limits still gave you the Iraq war!

With all the jails all yuh have over dey crime is still rampant.
Witness protecion program ?
Please, there is so many flaws in your programs ...remember the case where a Top Cop was making millions selling witness protection Information to criminals?
We doing fine here and we know what we need and what we need is not to copy cat a sick and dying society who allowed a CIA agent to be exposed by the government for political spite and thousands of people to die during Katrina where Cuba got hit by the same hurricane and not one person died!
We already have mechanism in place to deal with crooked cops even Burroughs went on trial.
WE do not need more guns on the street we need all guns off the street ...like Bermuda.
Police Officers are well paid for their work and untill we get rid of the " US Corrpted Influence where money is Kind and Character is nothing " a crooked cop is going to be a crooked COp like Bernard Kerik ( he was too well paid now he is charged for coruuption) and whatever we pay a crooked cop the drug lords will pay them ten times as much so we are not going that route the route we are going is this:
YOU WANT TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.YOU MUST BE TRUE TO YOUR OATH NOT LIKE TH EFRESH WATER YANKEES WHO SWARE ALLEGIANCE TO UNCLE SAM TO GET CITIZENSHIP BENEFITS THEN SAYING THEY LOYAL TO WE.
WHEN YOU AREA COP YOU AREA COP WE ARE NOT GOING TO BRIBE YOU.
We have a better quality of life than you do hence you all are so inetrested in TNT and we are not really Interested in you until you renounce your allgeiance and re sware your allegiance to us and still we will have to take that with a grain of salt for once a traitor always a traitor?
So your ideas are not original just a copy from the USA and we could get that right here with one phone call to the US Embassy.
Yuh have anything more to add ? Something original maybe?

[JPersad]

Term limits still gave you the Iraq war!

With all the jails all yuh have over dey crime is still rampant.
Witness protecion program ?
Please, there is so many flaws in your programs ...remember the case where a Top Cop was making millions selling witness protection Information to criminals?
We doing fine here and we know what we need and what we need is not to copy cat a sick and dying society who allowed a CIA agent to be exposed by the government for political spite and thousands of people to die during Katrina where Cuba got hit by the same hurricane and not one person died!
We already have mechanism in place to deal with crooked cops even Burroughs went on trial.
WE do not need more guns on the street we need all guns off the street ...like Bermuda.
Police Officers are well paid for their work and untill we get rid of the " US Corrpted Influence where money is Kind and Character is nothing " a crooked cop is going to be a crooked COp like Bernard Kerik ( he was too well paid now he is charged for coruuption) and whatever we pay a crooked cop the drug lords will pay them ten times as much so we are not going that route the route we are going is this:
YOU WANT TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.YOU MUST BE TRUE TO YOUR OATH NOT LIKE TH EFRESH WATER YANKEES WHO SWARE ALLEGIANCE TO UNCLE SAM TO GET CITIZENSHIP BENEFITS THEN SAYING THEY LOYAL TO WE.
WHEN YOU AREA COP YOU AREA COP WE ARE NOT GOING TO BRIBE YOU.
We have a better quality of life than you do hence you all are so inetrested in TNT and we are not really Interested in you until you renounce your allgeiance and re sware your allegiance to us and still we will have to take that with a grain of salt for once a traitor always a traitor?
So your ideas are not original just a copy from the USA and we could get that right here with one phone call to the US Embassy.
Yuh have anything more to add ? Something original maybe?
What yuh smokng ?
The fact shows at least 1 murder per day in Trinidad , but that is fine by you ?
How do you suggest we get criminals to give up their guns ?
Why is it that is not mandatory for all law enforcement officers to have wear body armor while on the job ? I suppose it fine by you for law enforcement officers to be killed in the line of duty .

[Somebody007]

Lemmeh tell allyuh eh....ah mean all ah we could come up with some really nice ideas to combat crime but really the best way to start dealing with the problem (and by the way this is not a solution, only ah recommendation) is to look at our current corrupt and inefficient police service.

The Trinidad and Tobago Police Service got issues....plus even up to a few days ago I was reading online on the front page of the Express Newspapers where two police officers have been charged in the kidnapping of a businessman sometime ago....

[iiinharmony]

I do not "smoke" JPersad but for seven years 1965 to 1973 ah "smoke" bad people arse though! They were great for their cause but as far as I was concerned they were bad for my mission so they got their arses smoked.

Yuh want to see my kind ah Trini google my kind of people " Kent D Padmore" and to get to yuh point:

You have a one tracked mind and your mind is on a " yankee track".

All you know is the " yankee way" and no other way so you ,with your yankee bliders on is like a donkey in a Cheatah race.

We do not have to explain to you what we have planned and what we have proposed but we know at the end of the (18) month Peroid from our start date we will have no need for police to wear guns and body armour.

All that kind long stroke way yuh coming with to try to kiss police tail we pass that ....so posing them kind ah stupid questions about if I want police to get killed etc sounds doltish of better said" dotish head!"

In every body of police you have corrupt cops and none so corrupt as the United States. Lawyers and cops go to jail every day over day because they chupid,.

here the cops are a lot smarter and bit by bit we go kecth them and chew them up and spit them out when we plan unfolds .We eh jave the " quick fix" election gimmick plans but solid plans for the War on crime and we cyar lose so wey yuh buss in yuh head for?
When the UNC was in Power I did not hear all yuh talking bout crime nor when the NAR and ONR was in power....crime grown under all the regimes because of the corrupt influence of the USA and their filth coming into our sweet shores.

You all drop a lot of nastiness in our country and we go clean it up properly and left not a drop behind ...wey yuh digging ...yuh tink when we clean it up all yuh go come down here and stink it up again?
We have the best of the best of crime busters and criminal destroyers and anti crime war machines getting ready and when we hit it will be a clean sweep and none shall escape so take warning we scraping up all al allyuh from the Voter Fraud people to the pickpockets to he visa racteers to the drug dealers and house breakers gand leaders and the gangs and the URP crooks the SE Peep crooks the businessmen crooks the corrupted police men and all the crooked custom officers and tax evaders ...we taking all in one clean sweep....sorry patrick ah had to tell dem but still they have no idead what go hit them an when....we go see who go laugh last!

[iiinharmony]

Jpersad: I forget to ask you....do you have a contact for body armour and yuh trying to sell we body armour ?

We eh buying go sell it to the US Troops in Iraq who all yuh send over dey ( just like all yuh did marines in Vietnam and the Gulf war ) with equipment built by the " Lowest Bidder" ...it is all about money not the safety of the troops and I know that for a fact breads.

We doh buy from the Lowest bidder for our Police and Soldiers but we get the best of the best that is why we have Israeli Gali rifles and not the cheap arse overheating and misfiring M-16 that is built by the Lowest bidder and has one advantage : Cheap and light weight.

The Columbian drug lords are better armed than the US Military soldiers except for those gurading the President.

US Marines in Vietnam caught hell to get proper equipment the best thing was the M-14 which was heavy but at least it wea reliable so please, don't try to " fool " me about US this and trhat I know what I am talking about first hand not second hand...why the heck do you think so many fine young US Marines and many Trinidad Citizens who came to America's aid during the Vietnam war dies needlessly because of cheap arse equipment and the usual faulty intelligence ?

So please,back to heck up and know what yuj talking bout when yuh about " it is fine by me for officers to get killed" Police here get killed ? How often do you see that ? Police here are well trained to engaged armed criminals and you better check and see who gets killed in these attacks and the alst one when two police officers got shot it was in the face and grazed on the back and bandits...dead and the one that got away ...he go get it too if he do not surrender...body armour ? How do you know what they were wearing ?
You need to understand we do not ( plasster our methods acroos the press for kudos) do things for show we act and that is that.



We do not need body armour when we ready we go get that if we Police decide we need it and Murder rate ? At least we could go school and to Church and to University and the Mall without worrying that some psycho go shoot up the place just to get on the "SICKO VAMPIRE CNN" it lives off of violence just like the psychos over dey!

[JPersad]

IH,
This thread is not about JPersad .
It is about sharing ideas to combat crime .
All you are sharing is long and pointless ranting and nothing of substance .

[KFCSpicy]

;)

[peanut]

There is only one solution to crime in T&T, get rid of the criminals in Gov't :!: :mrgreen:

[Somebody007]

I do not "smoke" JPersad but for seven years 1965 to 1973 ah "smoke" bad people arse though! They were great for their cause but as far as I was concerned they were bad for my mission so they got their arses smoked.

Yuh want to see my kind ah Trini google my kind of people " Kent D Padmore" and to get to yuh point:

You have a one tracked mind and your mind is on a " yankee track".

All you know is the " yankee way" and no other way so you ,with your yankee bliders on is like a donkey in a Cheatah race.

We do not have to explain to you what we have planned and what we have proposed but we know at the end of the (18) month Peroid from our start date we will have no need for police to wear guns and body armour.

All that kind long stroke way yuh coming with to try to kiss police tail we pass that ....so posing them kind ah stupid questions about if I want police to get killed etc sounds doltish of better said" dotish head!"

In every body of police you have corrupt cops and none so corrupt as the United States. Lawyers and cops go to jail every day over day because they chupid,.

here the cops are a lot smarter and bit by bit we go kecth them and chew them up and spit them out when we plan unfolds .We eh jave the " quick fix" election gimmick plans but solid plans for the War on crime and we cyar lose so wey yuh buss in yuh head for?
When the UNC was in Power I did not hear all yuh talking bout crime nor when the NAR and ONR was in power....crime grown under all the regimes because of the corrupt influence of the USA and their filth coming into our sweet shores.

You all drop a lot of nastiness in our country and we go clean it up properly and left not a drop behind ...wey yuh digging ...yuh tink when we clean it up all yuh go come down here and stink it up again?
We have the best of the best of crime busters and criminal destroyers and anti crime war machines getting ready and when we hit it will be a clean sweep and none shall escape so take warning we scraping up all al allyuh from the Voter Fraud people to the pickpockets to he visa racteers to the drug dealers and house breakers gand leaders and the gangs and the URP crooks the SE Peep crooks the businessmen crooks the corrupted police men and all the crooked custom officers and tax evaders ...we taking all in one clean sweep....sorry patrick ah had to tell dem but still they have no idead what go hit them an when....we go see who go laugh last!


Yuh doh mine if ah call yuh harmony for short eh....you do have some validity and truth in all your posts.....its just that they way you express is controversial for the forum and even more controversal for forumites and the mods.

[peanut]

Why not just call him "harm" :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[KFCSpicy]

oh dear! nail on head peanut? :shock:

[vaio]

well after reading a lot of nothing.....from certain ppl

i agree with Pnut start from the top..

[Falcon]

re-opened :roll:

[kemist]

looks like my post from last night was removed.

[neilrmp]

You can start combating crime in T&T by first cleaning up the goverment agencies, only then will you see progress. :geek:

[kemist]

one thing i didnt foresee at the time i started this tread, was the broadness of this topic .
I was thinking about splitting this topic into specific categories :
1)illegal drugs and firearms trafficking
2)police reform
3)traffic regulation (& enforcement of)
4)legislation
5)social development/education
6)integrity restoration in all offices (police, customs, liscencing, ministerial, etc.)

there may be other sub-topics i have left out.
i know all of these are all inter-dependant of each other, but i was thinking these may be easier to discuss if done in separate threads.
let me know what you think.

[Harry Williamn]

Neilrmp.....
It is so bad to see that you are proudly displaying a US flag on a TNT forum but again I have the greatest respect for your right to do so but it does give one who thinks an insight into where your loyalties lie and we then can decide to attach as much weight ( if any at all to your post!

kemist ....your topic is a very necessary Topic and goes to the heart of a very serious problem which we face in TNT.
I am firmly convinced that if the USA and Canada and Britian legalise drugs ( a sensible move because drug addicts use drugs even as we speak ) the demand will go away because the Government will control the drug traffic just as they control the " other drug traffic "alchohol and cigarettes and so the drug trade will come to a screeching halt ...the Juggernaut of crime in Latin America ,The USA,Britain and the some Caribbean nations will dramtically decrease and in some countries crime will vanish!

The drug trade has single handedly wreaked havoc upon the morality of our protective services.

It has brought to the fore the corrupt ways of many a protecive service officer.

Kidnapping and Armed robbery and the proliferation of firearms in TNT can be attributed to the negative influence of the American crime culture upon TNT as is the drug trade.

The question is we know the problem and how do we solve the problem and what shall we call " a solution ?"

A solution is : When we totally eradicate crime from our country both white collar and blue collar so to speak.

We do not need " acceptable levels of crimes and containment of crime within the poor areas" we need a total elimination of crime and sure I know the way but cannot give it free! I am working on it.

[neilrmp]

HW,There is an old saying, "A picture paints a thousand words", you myfriend are seeing only one hundred, I hope someday you could see the entire picture.

[Harry Williamn]

911 is not a TNT problem never was and by the Grace of God never shall be, because ,Bin Laden eh looking for we....we lost 47 TNT people in the dastardly and cruel attack but still it is not our problem and the US will like to make it our problem and involve as much people as possible in they " war " on terror but hopefully the Government of the day in TNT will have enough sense not to get us involved because we did not benefit from the cake which the US eat which caused the war to be started so ....we really do not give damm!

We have our very own terroist to deal with here and we have the Total support of every single TNT Republican in our " war on Terror " this Christmas...our Terror is the negative US,British and Canadian influence upon our Country so when I see a US Flag on our forum I need to talk about it pal and it is nothing personal just peeling the corn.

[dancerboy]

MAY BE WE SHOULD ALL IGNORE HARRY WILLIAMN, PROBABLY HE WILL GO AWAY. DANCERBOY

[peanut]

Yuh think? no such luck cause he eh go know who have him on ignore :mrgreen:

[neilrmp]

Oh no....., you should not have said that dancerboy, You will be next in the Firing line.

[Harry Williamn]

It seems that when you folks have nothing relevant to say you begin personal attacks but no amount of personal attacks can ever remove the TARGET. The TARGET REMAINS:

The United States is one of our biggest crime problems because of its negative influence upon the TNT republic and the Caribbean in General with the exception of The Cayman Islands,Bermuda,The Britsh Virgin Islands,Anguilla and some parts of the Bahamas.

It seems so puerile to ignore the content of the post and resort to " firing line and " your type of reply dancerman ...it seem that I am in the firing line from some of the ex pats ( who have been seeking to ram down our throats the " Americanitis " ) because I have clearly stated that the solution to the crime situation which you all keep harping about every day and every night of your lonely lives ( I truly feel sorry for you all really no joke man ) shall be solved with the removal of the negative US influence inTNT and you all simply flies off the picka tree and starts with the perosnal attacks ...not me ...just look back at your post!

I shall say it now and always : " We do not give two hoots about the yanks war on terror because that is not our problem but you all ahve being trying to involve as much people as you can ...Mr.Osama Bin Laden and his boys are not looking for TNT nor our Emperor he looking for all yuh!

All yuh continue to " terrorise " TNT with the negative influence of murder,mafia,drugs,rude and highly disrespectful children who are quick to lie ,cheat and steal and call the police for the parent who dares to discipline them ...you all simply have blinded YOUR MINDS to what I have been consistently saying ....the USA needs to keep their bad ways over there....all the human negatives are probably legal over there!
Well legalise all yuh drug habits and crime will go way down over here.
So you coud keep up your personal attacks and hope I will go away so you could have the free reins to continue your reletless attacks upon TNT...but the TARGET REMAINS,sir!

[Scorpio]

Mr. Trini Republickc0nt, you seem to enjoy thinking of youself as a "target"....well, sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not that important, as a matter of fact you have made yourself very irrelevant because of your silly attacks on "Trini expats". If you read the responses to your posts you will see that posters here don't think much of you, so believe me, the "target" is safe, none of us taking you on anymore. :D :D :D :D

[KFCSpicy]

amen brother scorpio.

dancer pnut neil ...jess do like i do and ignore the sadness that is this non-entity.

[Scorpio]

^^Yeah, guys leave de self proclaimed target alone. :D

[peanut]

Doods, I have that on ignore .. I does just go off all yuh reactions :lol: :lol: :lol:

[KFCSpicy]

good girl.

[neilrmp]

Merry Christmas Mr. Harry Williamn

[peanut]

Merry Christmas Mr. Harry Williamn

How yuh bad so eh :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[neilrmp]

No This time I am serious, Merry christmas Sir.

[peanut]

I saved the Best for last;

WOLFIE ..... MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS ... SIR :!:

MAY GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY and MAY HE GRANT YOU A LITTLE MORE PATIENCE TO DEAL WITH US IN '08 ;)

[Harry Williamn]

The Police have struck again and of course some of you will still " down cry " our fine officers but you know what ...me and my group have already boxed up some nice Johnny Walker Blue and Red for the boys and some ham and nicies for the boys who go be working down at the station Christmas day...we go also drop off a nice dinner for them and spend a half hour with them boys because they " eh playing " the woking!

(1) http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161254103 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161254103)

(2) http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161254103 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161254103)

(3) We go win the war on crime and all yuh cannot stop we and all ah we who live here in TNT seeing what happening in town right now....people shopping like crazy and crowd for so...whey the crime ?

Police and soldiers like peas and the police eh playing is licks,bullet or come quietly and take yuh arrest if you break the law ...so beat all yuh gums we go beat the Johnny Blue.

[deathwinger]

Johnny Walher Blue and Red for the boys...

So why the most expensive (blue) and the cheapest (red)?

Gold and Blue man! Hell, we good with a black.

[Scorpio]

^^personally, I like the green malt one de best. :D

[Harry Williamn]

Yuh have to mix the rich with the poor because it is a " war " on unhappiness and every body cyar bring out they Gold and they Blue yuh no so we mix it up for every body and the babash always dey!

I feeling the Christmas real strong and this will be the best Christmas ever in TNT read the news the police eh playing nuh they hitting heard ,hard ,hard!

[klewis]

I know you don't want politics involved, but I think the only solution is to change the government. With all the time they were in power the crime situation, among other things, just got worse, and it is going to continue until the people stand up and demand change. Of course we got that chance on November 5th and people decided it was better to have a house than to get rid of crime. I want to know what is the good of having a house if it is going to be burglarized and the occupants robbed, raped, kidnapped or murdered. Another solution is for the powers-that-be to allow private citizens to have firearms in order to protect themselves. If a man or men enters my house carrying guns, I want to be equally equipped so that I can protect myself and my family. But these miscreants know that people really have no means of protecting themselves, so they take advantage of the defenseless. Everyone has a right to protect themselves, their families and their property. It is only right that we be well equipped to do just that. The people need to fight for themselves because who else is going to protect them? The police? Get real.