COP supporters stand proud...

[vaio]

No one thought that the COP could muster any significant votes...most knew tht they wld not win any seats...yet their supporters stayed with them and supported them....

today we are proud to see tht we have silenced those critics who said COP is insignificant...now they sayin that we got only the ONR votes...100,000 + citizens have spoken and said tht they are NOT happy with the PNM and the UNC....

Not a damn seat? indeed but not the DAMN PRIME MINISTER SEAT FOR BAS!!!!

[Maccogirl]

Now you see I was trying to be nice, but when you come and post nonsense like this what do you expect my reaction to be??? :roll:

[Sirius]

COP lost, but they made their mark. What they need to do now is to work the ground for the next 5 years starting right now. They need to run for local government elections. They need to get involved with communities. They need to show their 100,000+ strong voter base that they are indeed here to stay. They need to make consistent public appearances, talking about the current issues of the country. Tour the schools, hold community meetings to discuss community issues and provide advice. Become an active part of poverty reduction and education programmes. Give credit to the government and opposition where credit is due. Criticize the government and opposition where criticism is due.

They need to show those that did not support them this time around that they are a permanent, active, caring and fair party. They need to show that they respect the choice of the electorate. They need to show that they can learn from the past. If they do this they will be well on the road to government in 2012. The question is, can they do it? Only time will tell, but as they currently stand, they have my full support.

[vaio]

sirius i feel you have a lot of great ideas...you shld seek to work closely with the Executives in the COP...i'm sure Nicole won't mind nor Wendy or the others.. ;)

[TheLight]

You did well putting back the incompetent corrupted pnm in government, murder rate 303, chicken $10.00 per pound…stand proud

[sugarnuts]

COP has nothing to be ashamed of...They can only build on the success for the local government elections

[vaio]

You did well putting back the incompetent corrupted pnm in government, murder rate 303, chicken $10.00 per pound…stand proud

oh light dearie....you are confusing the COP with the UNC..what are you proud of - your leader?, his speech?, his ideals?, his integrity?, his ability to work with others?, the infighting within the UNC????? Or is it the amount fewer number of seats and votes for the UNC compared to 2001.....The people chose to vote for the COP they could have easily voted for the UNC if they really believed that the UNC was the right party....

[Maccogirl]

Go check you figures the voter turn out if we are going on what the EBC says is 458,634 that is way lower than 2001, ask yourself why this happened

[Somebody007]

You did well putting back the incompetent corrupted pnm in government, murder rate 303, chicken $10.00 per pound…stand proud


I hoping the murder rate go up to 500 under the incompetent corrupt PNM....when that happens I will still vote them back in power for sure.

[TheLight]

You did well putting back the incompetent corrupted pnm in government, no beds at hospitals, poor roads and no water....stand proud...Vindra body can't be found as yet...stand proud!

[skl]

odd.......I thought it was the people who actually voted for the PNM that put the PNM back in govt.............

[vaio]

You did well putting back the incompetent corrupted pnm in government, no beds at hospitals, poor roads and no water....stand proud...Vindra body can't be found as yet...stand proud!

uh :?: ...light...the UNC put the PNM in power in 2001...all of those things you stated here is because of the UNC :roll: ....they put them in power for the last 6 years and becuase of Bas and his stupidness :roll: ....cussin and insultin COP then callin for unity :roll: ...HE is the one responsible... :roll:

[TheLight]

You did well putting back the incompetent corrupted pnm in government, murder rate 303, chicken $10.00 per pound…stand proud


I hoping the murder rate go up to 500 under the incompetent corrupt PNM....when that happens I will still vote them back in power for sure.

Once you is not one of the 500 I sure you will…stand proud!

[JediKnight]

Aye Vaio, ah didn't see yuh Saturday. I am standing proud. I will do it all over again.

[TheLight]

You did well putting back the incompetent corrupted pnm in government, no beds at hospitals, poor roads and no water....stand proud...Vindra body can't be found as yet...stand proud!

uh :?: ...light...the UNC put the PNM in power in 2001...all of those things you stated here is because of the UNC :roll: ....they put them in power for the last 6 years and becuase of Bas and his stupidness :roll: ....cussin and insultin COP then callin for unity :roll: ...HE is the one responsible... :roll:

Dookeran put pnm back in power.....stand proud!

[skl]

I wonder why Light dont go and complain about the people who actually voted PNM........ ? he fraid them maybe.

[vaio]

Aye Vaio, ah didn't see yuh Saturday. I am standing proud. I will do it all over again.

how yuh mean? oh ...i enjoyed myself..i screamed soooo much i couldn't talk the next day....whey you was....?

STAND PROUD!!

[Somebody007]

You did well putting back the incompetent corrupted pnm in government, murder rate 303, chicken $10.00 per pound…stand proud


I hoping the murder rate go up to 500 under the incompetent corrupt PNM....when that happens I will still vote them back in power for sure.

Once you is not one of the 500 I sure you will…stand proud!


Light we all know you only voting for Panday simply because he is both indian and hindu, nothing else.....even if the murder rate was 500 under the UNC, you would still vote for Panday only because of his race and ethnicity....I know this for a fact.

[vaio]

I wonder why Light dont go and complain about the people who actually voted PNM........ ? he fraid them maybe.

Aye skl, light and others only know how to attack COP proud supporters!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[JediKnight]

Aye Vaio, ah didn't see yuh Saturday. I am standing proud. I will do it all over again.

how yuh mean? oh ...i enjoyed myself..i screamed soooo much i couldn't talk the next day....whey you was....?

STAND PROUD!!

Ah was mostly behind by the stage, I made a couple passes in the crowd. Ah was wearin a COP polo ;)

[vaio]

Aye Vaio, ah didn't see yuh Saturday. I am standing proud. I will do it all over again.

how yuh mean? oh ...i enjoyed myself..i screamed soooo much i couldn't talk the next day....whey you was....?

STAND PROUD!!

Ah was mostly behind by the stage, I made a couple passes in the crowd. Ah was wearin a COP polo ;)

Wait...Macco say only light skin ppl does get a Polo... :ugeek: :mrgreen:
i was just in front the stage....in a white polo.... :D

[TheLight]

I wonder why Light dont go and complain about the people who actually voted PNM........ ? he fraid them maybe.

Aye skl, light and others only know how to attack COP proud supporters!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

When you can’t go out and lime after 6.pm because of the crime ….stand proud!
When you park your car by the mall and come back and can’t find it…stand proud

[skl]

Stand Tall !!! Lol

lol but like light fraid to bad talk KBB, breadwinner and somebody in truth.

[vaio]

so light lemme ask you :arrow: ....how you and all the UNC supporters does duck and run from questions posed to you and instead bring up another issue. :ugeek: ..How proud are you of the UNC :?:

[TheLight]

Light we all know you only voting for Panday simply because he is both indian and hindu, nothing else.....even if the murder rate was 500 under the UNC, you would still vote for Panday only because of his race and ethnicity....I know this for a fact

If that is your reason for voting PNM….stand proud

[JediKnight]

Wait...Macco say only light skin ppl does get a Polo... :ugeek: :mrgreen:
i was just in front the stage....in a white polo.... :D

Well I brown skin. Ah couldn't get close to the stage. The closest I got to the stage when I was walking the crowd was by the Bandstand, where the media was. Other times I was backstage limin.

[Somebody007]

Light we all know you only voting for Panday simply because he is both indian and hindu, nothing else.....even if the murder rate was 500 under the UNC, you would still vote for Panday only because of his race and ethnicity....I know this for a fact

If that is your reason for voting PNM….stand proud


Are you afraid to answer the question?

[TheLight]

so light lemme ask you :arrow: ....how you and all the UNC supporters does duck and run from questions posed to you and instead bring up another issue. :ugeek: ..How proud are you of the UNC :?:

You prevented old age pensioners from getting $3,000 per month….stand proud
You prevented workers from getting a $16.00 minimum wage…stand proud

[Somebody007]

so light lemme ask you :arrow: ....how you and all the UNC supporters does duck and run from questions posed to you and instead bring up another issue. :ugeek: ..How proud are you of the UNC :?:

You prevented old age pensioners from getting $3,000 per month….stand proud
You prevented workers from getting a $16.00 minimum wage…stand proud


and when the minimum wage reach $16, the prices of everything else will simply go up....so stand proud for a change.

[JediKnight]

Light we all know you only voting for Panday simply because he is both indian and hindu, nothing else.....even if the murder rate was 500 under the UNC, you would still vote for Panday only because of his race and ethnicity....I know this for a fact

If that is your reason for voting PNM….stand proud


Are you afraid to answer the question?

Aye 007, wha yuh wastin yuh time for. Panday lose in 1976, 1981, 1991, 2002 and 2007. He tie in 1995 and 2001. COP cause all ah dat. Panday have the secret formula to winnin the election, but that damn COP, always thwarting his master plan. Stand tall, after 40 years in politics yuh still doh know how to win an election. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sumana]

Stand proud for screwing us out of good governance for the next 5 years - Stand proud for causing more crime, inflation, in this country.
Yeah allyuh stand proud

[Somebody007]

Aye 007, wha yuh wastin yuh time for. Panday lose in 1976, 1981, 1991, 2002 and 2007. He tie in 1995 and 2001. COP cause all ah dat. Panday have the secret formula to winnin the election, but that damn COP, always thwarting his master plan. Stand tall, after 40 years in politics yuh still doh know how to win an election. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]


hehehehehehehe.....lol........ :D :D :D :D

JediKnight ah missing dem days when I use to ketch rell kicks...lol.

[Somebody007]

Stand proud for screwing us out of good governance for the next 5 years - Stand proud for causing more crime, inflation, in this country.
Yeah allyuh stand proud


Allyuh get over it nah....only carrying on like little children....stand proud, stand proud, stand proud.....ok we get what yuh say.

[vaio]

Stand proud for screwing us out of good governance for the next 5 years - Stand proud for causing more crime, inflation, in this country.
Yeah allyuh stand proud


Allyuh get over it nah....only carrying on like little children....stand proud, stand proud, stand proud.....ok we get what yuh say.


007 - Yuh ent read what she say...."good governance" :lol: :lol: :lol: that means when you get a $10m gift and screw over the ppl who vote for yuh just not to let RLM lead....oh lord!! "good governance" ah like that one..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sumana]

No no you stand tall, but don't let me hear a word out of you complaining about PNM, YOU VOTED FOR IT NOW LIVE WITH IT

[vaio]

No no you stand tall, but don't let me hear a word out of you complaining about PNM, YOU VOTED FOR IT NOW LIVE WITH IT

awright....i'll do what i've been doin for the last 6 years...live with it!!!! ;)

[Sumana]

and don't blasted complain

[vaio]

and don't blasted complain


So anybody know if Bas sleep with the Devil or his father this time??!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sumana]

Only a ignorant blind fanatic will still be attacking Panday at a time when they let PNM back into power
A vote for COP WAS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A VOTE FOR PNM

[JediKnight]

A vote for the UNC will always be a vote for the Opposition. Its never about government.

[vaio]

Wait...Macco say only light skin ppl does get a Polo... :ugeek: :mrgreen:
i was just in front the stage....in a white polo.... :D

Well I brown skin. Ah couldn't get close to the stage. The closest I got to the stage when I was walking the crowd was by the Bandstand, where the media was. Other times I was backstage limin.

Like yuh get preferential treatment or what??!!

[vaio]

A vote for the UNC will always be a vote for the Opposition. Its never about government.

never has a man been more right!!!!

[Sumana]

And it's never been about government for COP go read what vaio said, her true colours are coming out - voting for COP has alwas been about keeping PNm in government.

[JediKnight]

Wait...Macco say only light skin ppl does get a Polo... :ugeek: :mrgreen:
i was just in front the stage....in a white polo.... :D

Well I brown skin. Ah couldn't get close to the stage. The closest I got to the stage when I was walking the crowd was by the Bandstand, where the media was. Other times I was backstage limin.

Like yuh get preferential treatment or what??!!

Ah suppose because ah was heavily involved in de campaign I was invited back stage. I was on the platform on 9/9 ;)

[vaio]

And it's never been about government for COP go read what vaio said, her true colours are coming out - voting for COP has alwas been about keeping PNm in government.

Oh please!!!!!! Vaio is a true COP 8-) .....yuh like yuh party, puttin words in ppl mouth and spreadin propoganda.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Sumana]

WEll if you're a true COP, people look @ vaio's words and see what COP is all about - hate, and keeping PNM in government

[skl]

like Sumana having trouble standing tall :D

[Sumana]

I"m standing tall because I did the right thing to get PNM out of government. You on the other hand like every other COP fanatic should bow your head in shame and take PNM in your tail for another 5 years.

[vaio]

WEll if you're a true COP, people look @ vaio's words and see what COP is all about - hate, and keeping PNM in government

no my dear girl...you ain't gonna get to spread yuh propoganda amongst us COP supporters....we stand proud - together!!! 8-)

[vaio]

like Sumana having trouble standing tall :D


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sumana]

WEll if you're a true COP, people look @ vaio's words and see what COP is all about - hate, and keeping PNM in government

no my dear girl...you ain't gonna get to spread yuh propoganda amongst us COP supporters....we stand proud - together!!! 8-)

It's not propaganda if it came directly from you

[skl]

I"m standing tall because I did the right thing to get PNM out of government. You on the other hand like every other COP fanatic should bow your head in shame and take PNM in your tail for another 5 years.

really what did you do to get the PNM out ? vote agianst the PNM ? well I did that too.

[JediKnight]

I always remember Panday's statement... As long as Patrick is leader of the PNM I will be Prime Minister. Yuh ha to be a real mook to let Patrick take yuh own line and turn it around on you. Instead of supporting the COP to win the government, you chose to support the UNC to form opposition. And you say we should hand our heads? I will always remain a proud supporter of the COP.

[sylvestter]

i am very proud.
i voted against the pnm.
and i did not vote for a party that did not deserve my support.

there are a few idealists and right-thinking people in this country who sincerely hope for a better t&t.
unfortunately we are in a minority.

[vaio]

WEll if you're a true COP, people look @ vaio's words and see what COP is all about - hate, and keeping PNM in government

no my dear girl...you ain't gonna get to spread yuh propoganda amongst us COP supporters....we stand proud - together!!! 8-)

It's not propaganda if it came directly from you

quote it for meh nah!!! i have and will never support the PNM!! :roll: and read skl's comment....ALL COP SUPPORTERS VOTED AGAINST THE PNM JUST LIKE YOU!!!!

[vaio]

I always remember Panday's statement... As long as Patrick is leader of the PNM I will be Prime Minister. Yuh ha to be a real mook to let Patrick take yuh own line and turn it around on you. Instead of supporting the COP to win the government, you chose to support the UNC to form opposition. And you say we should hand our heads? I will always remain a proud supporter of the COP.

Amen.

[littleone]

i am very proud.
i voted against the pnm.
and i did not vote for a party that did not deserve my support.

there are a few idealists and right-thinking people in this country who sincerely hope for a better t&t.
unfortunately we are in a minority.

keep on doing what you doing. and hopefully COP will continue to grow and garner more support. one day we wont be the minority.

[littleone]

quote it for meh nah!!! i have and will never support the PNM!! :roll: and read skl's comment....ALL COP SUPPORTERS VOTED AGAINST THE PNM JUST LIKE YOU!!!![/quote]

yuh go wait fuh dat. ah read over the thread 2 times to be sure and me ah see anything that remotely suggest that you support the PNM.

[vaio]

i started this thread so that the COP supporters can feel proud of today...hmmm look at what happened :(

[Somebody007]

and don't blasted complain


So anybody know if Bas sleep with the Devil or his father this time??!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Vaio is clearly competing with Tommy Joseph at this time....just now you go make me fall off the chair laughing....

[TheLight]

i started this thread so that the COP supporters can feel proud of today...hmmm look at what happened :(

For putting pnm back in government….stand proud

[vaio]

i started this thread so that the COP supporters can feel proud of today...hmmm look at what happened :(

For putting pnm back in government….stand proud

Light answer at least one question and stop ducking all...are you a proud supporter of the UNC after yesterday...? :?:

[vaio]

and don't blasted complain


So anybody know if Bas sleep with the Devil or his father this time??!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Vaio is clearly competing with Tommy Joseph at this time....just now you go make me fall off the chair laughing....


:oops: :oops: ah gonna try an behave...but yuh know if he sleep wid them yet!!! :P

[Somebody007]

And it's never been about government for COP go read what vaio said, her true colours are coming out - voting for COP has alwas been about keeping PNm in government.

Oh please!!!!!! Vaio is a true COP 8-) .....yuh like yuh party, puttin words in ppl mouth and spreadin propoganda.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



Vaio, if is one thing I want yuh to notice....look how all the hate coming out on the thread eh....people speaking full of emotions here....they was expecting your vote and pretending to like you from the beginning and now yuh didn't go them, the real colours starting to show.....Yuh know if PNM did loose, I really doh think we woulda be carrying on like this....look I voted for PNM but still showing COP support, I also said Dookeran is a man of intergrity and the COP fought the election on moral principles.....ah mean we took our losses back in 1995 fair and square......and so are you....which I fine is an admirable quality. The people who only carrying on about their losses braying on and on like little demons out of hell.

[Somebody007]

And it's never been about government for COP go read what vaio said, her true colours are coming out - voting for COP has alwas been about keeping PNm in government.

Oh please!!!!!! Vaio is a true COP 8-) .....yuh like yuh party, puttin words in ppl mouth and spreadin propoganda.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



Vaio, if is one thing I want yuh to notice....look how all the hate coming out on the thread eh....people speaking full of emotions here....they was expecting your vote and pretending to like you from the beginning and now yuh didn't go them, the real colours starting to show.....Yuh know if PNM did loose, I really doh think we woulda be carrying on like this....look I voted for PNM but still showing COP support, I also said Dookeran is a man of intergrity and the COP fought the election on moral principles.....ah mean we took our losses back in 1995 fair and square......and so are you....which I fine is an admirable quality. The people who only carrying on about their losses braying on and on like little demons out of hell.

[cm103]

For getting more votes than the UNC...stand proud

Ah done now...like elections...time to move on.

Light, I suggest you hide in yuh house for the next 5 years. Especially don't go on the internet, that even more dangerous.

I have the feeling that everytime someone dead, even if it from natural causes, Light go be on here in we tail about the PNM in power because of...

I stood up for what I believed in....and for that I stand tall.

[TheLight]

look I voted for PNM but still showing COP support

You have to because corpse supported pnm to be in government…stand proud

[cm103]

look I voted for PNM but still showing COP support

You have to because corpse supported pnm to be in government…stand proud

Thanks Light...you too ok?

[vaio]

And it's never been about government for COP go read what vaio said, her true colours are coming out - voting for COP has alwas been about keeping PNm in government.

Oh please!!!!!! Vaio is a true COP 8-) .....yuh like yuh party, puttin words in ppl mouth and spreadin propoganda.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



Vaio, if is one thing I want yuh to notice....look how all the hate coming out on the thread eh....people speaking full of emotions here....they was expecting your vote and pretending to like you from the beginning and now yuh didn't go them, the real colours starting to show.....Yuh know if PNM did loose, I really doh think we woulda be carrying on like this....look I voted for PNM but still showing COP support, I also said Dookeran is a man of intergrity and the COP fought the election on moral principles.....ah mean we took our losses back in 1995 fair and square......and so are you....which I fine is an admirable quality. The people who only carrying on about their losses braying on and on like little demons out of hell.


007, thank you for your honest comments....even if yuh is PNM :?

i meet lots of ppl daily and most ppl say they support the COP but they voted for the PNM even though they believe Patos is a demon....they just do not like the way UNC is operating and just cannot support or even lend an ear to them...i feel so angry cause i wanted the PNM out!!!

I guess my way of showin anger is by laughing... :P (can't help if i am a nice and happy person :oops: )

the unc ppl need to grieve a little before common sense sets in.....

[TheLight]

the unc ppl need to grieve a little before common sense sets in.....

you ever stop and think what would happen if Manning did got that 2/3 majority

[Mysty]

COP was made only to put PNM back into power, because no way in hell were they going to win. They knew this.

Their task was to ensure that the UNC remain as the Opposition. They have done it, and there will be no more COP.

It is better you guys had voted for the PNM.

[sapodila]

i am very proud.
i voted against the pnm.
and i did not vote for a party that did not deserve my support.

there are a few idealists and right-thinking people in this country who sincerely hope for a better t&t.
unfortunately we are in a minority.
...for now ....Sylvester.... for now......next time around more people will wake up and smell the @#$%^& they supported... and will realize "that it's time for real change"..... NO PANDAY UNC and NO MANNING PNM. When dem lil chilren grow up in five years, they too will realize that "winning" or belonging to "the winning party" is of less importance. They will recognise the need for change.

[scrunter]

No one thought that the COP could muster any significant votes...most knew tht they wld not win any seats...yet their supporters stayed with them and supported them....

today we are proud to see tht we have silenced those critics who said COP is insignificant...now they sayin that we got only the ONR votes...100,000 + citizens have spoken and said tht they are NOT happy with the PNM and the UNC....

Not a damn seat? indeed but not the DAMN PRIME MINISTER SEAT FOR BAS!!!!


This is SAD ..I just come off a thread about let's move on and then read this set ah $$$$*****e on this thread.

You got it wrong...everyone said that you are a repeat of the ONR with lots of votes yet no seat and dat you should not allow history to repeat itself but I guess you all are toooooooooooo intelligent to listen this simple set of logic........So Bas didn't get it is not he ah lone go suffer is everyone not only unc but cop as well and most of the pnm supporters. live goes on.move on.

[Sumana]

scrunter you see how vaio talking? that's typical COP supporter personal grouse against Panday as if Panday personally came into his house and robbed them. The fight was never against PNM for COP it was always to make sure UNC stays out and PNM stays in.

[Somebody007]

scrunter you see how vaio talking? that's typical COP supporter personal grouse against Panday as if Panday personally came into his house and robbed them. The fight was never against PNM for COP it was always to make sure UNC stays out and PNM stays in.


Stop blaming the COP for your downfall. You have nobody but to blame yourselves for your own demise.

[Sumana]

I'm blaming cop for the country's demise. and if you're too blinded to see what happened, then I hope your blinded to not see when your family is being robbed, raped, kidnapped and murdered thanks to you voting COP and voting PNM back into govn't

[Somebody007]

I'm blaming cop for the country's demise. and if you're too blinded to see what happened, then I hope your blinded to not see when your family is being robbed, raped, kidnapped and murdered thanks to you voting COP and voting PNM back into govn't



I never had to feel worried about any danger happening to my family. They are well protected by God above..... ;)

[Sirius]

I'm blaming cop for the country's demise. and if you're too blinded to see what happened, then I hope your blinded to not see when your family is being robbed, raped, kidnapped and murdered thanks to you voting COP and voting PNM back into govn't

And that is why you are doomed to opposition. Maybe if you spent more time focusing on the issues instead of lambasting the COP you would have won back voters from the COP. Maybe if you had not been insulting COP while in the same breath asking for unity, the COP might have been in the Alliance with a chunk of their voters handed to you.

Just some food for thought.

[Sumana]

**** you stand proud my boy you stand proud But don't ever complain about PNM, you get what you voted for.
ANd your Ganga, Yetming and Sadiq never wanted unity. No wait that's something against the COP, that could never be true! Ofcourse not!

*Moderator note: Name removed*

[Somebody007]

By the way who is ****??? Sirius is this your real name???

*Moderator note: Name removed*

[Somebody007]

I guess you will have to talk to Sumana on private message. Anyways I won't repeat the name...@Sirius.

[sylvestter]

i don't understand all this robbed, raped, kidnapped and murdered thanks to the COP talk. what a load of rubbish.

[Somebody007]

i don't understand all this robbed, raped, kidnapped and murdered thanks to the COP talk. what a load of rubbish.



Bad mind never gets you anywhere in life. I wonder if Bas Panday knows this???

[vaio]

yuh know they talkin about how we "hate" what was that HATEFUL statement about from Bas on election..that was nothing but HATE!!!

[scrunter]

yuh know they talkin about how we "hate" what was that HATEFUL statement about from Bas on election..that was nothing but HATE!!!


That was not hate that was being CANDID....plain talk bad manners.right???

[TheLight]

You did well putting back the incompetent corrupted pnm in government, murder rate 303, chicken $10.00 per pound…stand proud


I hoping the murder rate go up to 500 under the incompetent corrupt PNM....when that happens I will still vote them back in power for sure.

it did :roll:

[deathwinger]

I was actually just thinking about that when I was reading through this old thread that resurfaced.

Let's hope we can have a unified opposition someday so that this madness could finally end and Trinidad could go back to being a nice place to live.

[shield_2006]

The newspapers to-day made interesting reading with Jack,COP, Kamla, Baharath and Dookeran. WOW!!! I hope Dooks realise that Panday send Kamla to set him up and destroy Jack and Ramesh in one fell swoop. He want the accommodation back for he self.

Smart move by Dookeran to ask UNC to join COP.

[Maccogirl]

Dooks still asking UNC to join COP, like he did not notice the support Kamla has, also Kamla is in the opposition exactly where Dooks sitting? Again I have to ask if COP and Dooks is this big force to beat the PNM what they hell they doing asking anyone to join them?

I guess it is only in T&T where so many can be so disgusted as they say with the government of the day and yet no other party can move them. As for COP how long they on the scene now so you mean with all this nonsense PNM doing the COP still not building strength and support as a party, I really think its time some of you stop fooling yourselves with this COP nonsense. :lol:

[Slider]

The significance of Dookeran "asking UNC to join COP" [sic Maccogirl] is that he means if there is to be unity, it will be under the COP banner. His statement means that COP is a party here to stay and they are not going, with cap in hand, bowing back to the fold of UNC and Panday.

The COP has stated their intentions are that they will not join the UNC, rather if the UNC wants only 1 opposition party they will have to join them. The COP appeals to the Educated and Middle class so unlike the UNC, they don't have to spell out everything in simplistic terms - their following is intelligent to understand.

[mammadon]

I think COP should stand proud.

Kamla seems to be warming to Dookeran, and obviously she is big in the UNC-A. Ramjack may also follow suit, and with this local elections thing coming up, I expect plenty of protest votes towards the COP against Manning.

Granted, people may vote in terms of race. But PNM are not popular. For this reason the protest vote factor may eat into the PNM's traditional voter base, and would make gains for both COP and the UNC-A. Manning eh even want to hold the election cos he scared he lose it. IMO, there is no other reason why!

[Slider]

The protest votes would only come COPs way if Bas is not part of the unity party.

Disenfranchised PNM folks would prefer to vote for PNM just to say "we voted against Bas."

[mammadon]

True. but Panday seems he's staying put for now. It's mainly been UNC-A bigwigs other than the leader who are warming to the COP.

I think COP would be a good alternative to the PNM, and i would support them, provided Dookeran didn't turn it into another UNC-A and focus for the most part on Indian interests.

[Slider]

The UNC-A came out of the bowels of the Sugars and Workers Trade Union which Panday inherited via Bhadase/ULF so in fact the party was born out as being a voice for the Indians.

At the time the ULF came about their main core was the Hindu Indo Trinis. The Muslim Trinis were mostly aligned with the PNM (a reason why Kamal and the Mohammed clan was important to the party). The Presbyterian Christian pro ULF. The other Indo Christians were split but more anti-PNM.

Gone are the days of Caroni which more than killed an industry, it was a political move by the PNM to kill off UNC support. Without need to be defended (as there was no Cane), the children of those sugar workers who are independent and educated, will care less about sympathy vote for the "indian" party. They are now concerned with issues. If you looked at the 2007 election campaigns the PNM focused on 2020 development and COP presented their vision with "New Politics."

Both presented highly Philosophical methods of thought. The UNC on the other hand were playing catch-up and had to resort to defending themselves from corruption and attacking the COP. They didn't even attack the PNM because the COP had avalanched into something bigger than they expected.

When you have an educated crowd, mudslinging and gossip is not what they want to hear. They want to hear about issues. Hence, now the educated children of the UNC are what is making up the core of the COP. Some still stay with the UNC, but some just don't vote and some go to the PNM.

[deathwinger]

Gone are the days of Caroni which more than killed an industry, it was a political move by the PNM to kill off UNC support. Without need to be defended (as there was no Cane), the children of those sugar workers who are independent and educated, will care less about sympathy vote for the "indian" party.

Looks like we need to give the white man the Oil and Gangs to destroy the PNM support. :lol: I jest.

Life under the PNM yes boy. Just make sure if you getting rob don't fight. And if they intent on killing you, at least someone could use your death as an example of the failure by the government.

How hard is it to legally get a gun again?

[Slider]

Deathwinger, just remember the White people vote PNM eh.

Guns are not the way boy. Fight with education and good morals.

[Maccogirl]

The COP appeals to the Educated and Middle class so unlike the UNC, okkk I guess there are not enough educated and middle class people in T&T to give Dooks a seat :roll:

It' s simple talk like this that has the COP in the position they are in today and will be for a long time, some of you COP supporters have to get that log off your shoulders there is nothing like class when it comes to voting and election, you need every vote in this game to count.

If you keep saying the COP appeals to educated and middle class people unlike UNC and PNM the end result will be the same not a dam seat for them :lol:

[vaio]

i wonder why some ppl are so hell bent on unity? Granted the COP has no seat in parliment, but that does not mean that they have no voice! :roll:

The UNC has recognised that they COP is a viable party and has good support, what i am wondering is how the UNC supporters can't see what their party knows.

[deathwinger]

i wonder why some ppl are so hell bent on unity? Granted the COP has no seat in parliment, but that does not mean that they have no voice! :roll:


In our current political system, that is an unfortunate yes.

They can bawl and scream as much as they want, but they don't have as much rank to change the government's mind about something because such a change is not held in the hands of a vote (Parliament and Elections). And that's all the matters to Patrick Manning. So, the COP may be able to say whatever they like, but a voice they do not have.

It does show the inability of our system though when 22% of a populations has no representation at all.

[TheLight]

The significance of Dookeran "asking UNC to join COP" [sic Maccogirl] is that he means if there is to be unity, it will be under the COP banner. His statement means that COP is a party here to stay and they are not going, with cap in hand, bowing back to the fold of UNC and Panday.

The COP has stated their intentions are that they will not join the UNC, rather if the UNC wants only 1 opposition party they will have to join them. The COP appeals to the Educated and Middle class so unlike the UNC, they don't have to spell out everything in simplistic terms - their following is intelligent to understand.

And that is why they don’t care if they divide the votes because come hell or high water them bread well butter

[vaio]

I hear you DW and i agree. What i shld have said is that even though they have no seat, it has not stopped them from being vocal abt a lot things that is going wrong with the current administration.

Wait na! Light still fighting the COP? :roll:

[Slider]

Light,

That is what makes them a special case of you have to come good to get their vote. These are the people that do not depend on the government for hand outs and 10-days work.

Sympathy and voting along racial lines are meaningless to them.

[TheLight]

I hear you DW and i agree. What i shld have said is that even though they have no seat, it has not stopped them from being vocal abt a lot things that is going wrong with the current administration.

Wait na! Light still fighting the COP? :roll:

No, I just speaking me mind [smilie=dash2.gif]

[TheLight]

Light,

That is what makes them a special case of you have to come good to get their vote. These are the people that do not depend on the government for hand outs and 10-days work.

Sympathy and voting along racial lines are meaningless to them.

It will come a time…….soon! they will have to make a choice, these are the same people targeted by criminals

[vaio]

but they've made a choice, they choose to support the COP. If they had supported the UNC, where wld that have gotten them - in opposition!

[TheLight]

but they've made a choice, they choose to support the COP. If they had supported the UNC, where wld that have gotten them - in opposition!

GOVERNMENT? You may never know! but voting COP is keeping PNM in office

[skl]

apparantly Light doesnt understand that you have to actually campaign for people's votes. Funny how many people dont understand how democracy works.

contrast

Obama in 2008 went campaigning in freaking lily white GOP stronghold Idaho for votes.

Kerry in 2004 abandoned rural areas and focused entirely on maxing out urban turnout.

guess which one won.

[TheLight]

apparantly Light doesnt understand that you have to actually campaign for people's votes. Funny how many people dont understand how democracy works.

contrast

Obama in 2008 went campaigning in freaking lily white GOP stronghold Idaho for votes.

Kerry in 2004 abandoned rural areas and focused entirely on maxing out urban turnout.

guess which one won.

You comparing the United States to the Crisis Trinidad in?

Wait! Hmmm……nevermind!

[skl]

apparantly Light doesnt understand that you have to actually campaign for people's votes. Funny how many people dont understand how democracy works.
contrast
Obama in 2008 went campaigning in freaking lily white GOP stronghold Idaho for votes.
Kerry in 2004 abandoned rural areas and focused entirely on maxing out urban turnout.
guess which one won.

You comparing the United States to the Crisis Trinidad in?

Wait! Hmmm……nevermind!

apparantly that was too much thinking for light. :mrgreen:

I was comparing sitting in your stronghold to going out and finding new votes.

but I suppose that's too much work for Light. Much easier to say "PNM bad. You MUST vote for UNC and not COP because ...well because !!!!"

[Slider]

apparantly that was too much thinking for light Remember most of the UNC thinkers gone over to COP.

That is one thing the PNM never takes for granted we always campaign in every single constituency in every election.

If you want to hear thinking and vision come out in Woodford Square tonight from 7:30pm.

[mammadon]

The significance of Dookeran "asking UNC to join COP" [sic Maccogirl] is that he means if there is to be unity, it will be under the COP banner. His statement means that COP is a party here to stay and they are not going, with cap in hand, bowing back to the fold of UNC and Panday.

The COP has stated their intentions are that they will not join the UNC, rather if the UNC wants only 1 opposition party they will have to join them. The COP appeals to the Educated and Middle class so unlike the UNC, they don't have to spell out everything in simplistic terms - their following is intelligent to understand.

And that is why they don’t care if they divide the votes because come hell or high water them bread well butter

Says who?

The middle class/educated most likely are businessmen, doctors, lawyers, and other professional vocations.

Dey have plenty reason to care about the actions of government. Businessmen, by and large, care about how the government's attitude to business is, how the government would treat their industry/firm, even shadiness like how the government would sweeten them up (well, this IS Trinidad after all).

to think the middle class eh care about politics is dotishness. the key point is that how government acts affects them differently to other social classes.

[Slider]

Well said mammadon.

But Light, who is to say that it is not the UNC that dividing the COPs vote?

In the UNC Monday night meeting tonight, Bas just called Jack Warner "The former member for Chaguanas West" and Ramesh as "the former member for Tabaquite." He has admitted that the constituents of those 2 and Mayaro have been neglected in representation.

[skl]

In the UNC Monday night meeting tonight, Bas just called Jack Warner "The former member for Chaguanas West" and Ramesh as "the former member for Tabaquite." He has admitted that the constituents of those 2 and Mayaro have been neglected in representation.

eh heh ? ent there was some poll a few months ago that had RLM and JW as the two most effective MPs ?

things really odd now in oppostion politics i find. The party that win 0 seats acting strong and confident and the party that win 15 seats acting all besieged and defensive. In one way it was a good thing LG elections postponed. LGE would only disrupt the oppostion movements taking place now. I think we are moving to a resolution one way or the other.

[JPersad]

In the UNC Monday night meeting tonight, Bas just called Jack Warner "The former member for Chaguanas West" and Ramesh as "the former member for Tabaquite." He has admitted that the constituents of those 2 and Mayaro have been neglected in representation.

eh heh ? ent there was some poll a few months ago that had RLM and JW as the two most effective MPs ?

things really odd now in oppostion politics i find. The party that win 0 seats acting strong and confident and the party that win 15 seats acting all besieged and defensive. In one way it was a good thing LG elections postponed. LGE would only disrupt the oppostion movements taking place now. I think we are moving to a resolution one way or the other.
Maybe MG can explain...

[Maccogirl]

And the party with 0 seats is just that a party with 0 seats, no voice and no vehicle to change anything. If it was not for the Syrian support or the french creole backing that getting Dooks mug in the papers ever so often with a sound bite here and their on their TV/Radio station the COP would not be given a air on the political stage.

Some of you can keep fooling yourselves with the feeling that the COP is this great force come election time the result will be the same if they cannot find a way to come together, all the talk about Jack and Ramesh where were they at the COP event, why did they not attend?

I have to time to waste grasping at straws and getting my jollies on with the COP, Dookeran is still the same dead, dull, uninteresting character he has always been, he cannot move anyone to get excited to want to get rid of the PNM, so be serious you want to move PNM find a new leader it is not only Panday that is a problem Dooks need to take a rest also :lol:

[vaio]

If i to listen to Macco and didn't know better i'd think Dookeran was the Prime Minister, all she doing is blaming him for everything and she wants him to be removed as leader. I am hearing no one who support the COP calling for the resignation of Dookeran as leader but calls are coming from the bowels of the UNC for Bas to leave :lol:

You know what i think the real issue is for UNC supporters - they are so ashamed at how RamJack-G are behaving and the UNC looks reallllllllll bad right now so they have nowhere else to sling their mud other than the COP :roll:

C'mmon ppl, we need good governance and if Kamla and Dookeran are willing to talk abt a united force then why the hell are unc supporters fighting it and only concerned abt Bas?

[skl]

And the party with 0 seats is just that a party with 0 seats, no voice and no vehicle to change anything. ......etc

I look forward to MG sending a letter to kamla telling she that she wasting her time. :mrgreen:

[vaio]

And the party with 0 seats is just that a party with 0 seats, no voice and no vehicle to change anything. ......etc

I look forward to MG sending a letter to kamla telling she that she wasting her time. :mrgreen:

:lol: :lol:

[Maccogirl]

Where in my post do you see I am blaming Dookeran for everything? You still have not answered where Jack and Ramesh was in the big COP event, why did they not attend I would really love to know the answer to that one.If Jack looking for unity and he said that dookeran is a good man and he willing to talk what happened, was Jack not going all over the place asking for talks?

Don't let Kamal little visit go to your head and make you feel Dookeran is now boss if you thinking that wake up, Kamal not going to play second fiddle to Dookeran she has been tested several time in the political arena and has not lost her seat.

For Dookeran to tell Kamal come and join him he farse he has no seat and he not even sure he can win one, but yet asking UNC people with seats in parliament to join him, nah you can bargain from a position of strength not a weak one, and even in Ram/Jack case they also have held their seats, so Dooks only smelling he self once again. :lol:

None of you that support COP will call for the resignation on Dooks, but the fact is he led the COP into an election, he told people he was going to win everything, he had graphs, polls, numbers men for months talking about how COP in the lead, they have the election in the bag, end result the did not get a dam seat, if that had happen to the UNC I wonder what many of you COP die hard would be saying about Panday now. :roll:

[Slider]

From lastnight's meeting in Lopinot/Bon Air, were Bas made the statement that Ramesh, Jack and Gypsy are no longer part of the UNC representatives, I guess they are free to join whatever party they desire.

I don't think it would be difficult for UNC to win back Chag West and Tabaquite but the Mayaro seat is a different kettle of fish.

If those 3 join the PNM it would make the PNM extremely strong. If they join the COP then that would give the COP a base to work with. Though, I think the COP members would only accept Gypsy because a squeaky clean party like that might not want to be tainted by Jack and Ramesh.

[King B]

Give me a break, Jack and Ramesh have done more to reach out to the people than the COP ever have. The COP still thinks they can win hearts and minds with a press conference every now and then or a quote from Dookeran in the press every so often. They have to get out on the ground and meet the people but that is way too much work for such a white collar bunch. Enjoy those zero seats.

[deathwinger]

Dookeran needs to be replaced as leader of the COP because it has been proven under his leadership the COP can win absolutely no seats in Trinidad and Tobago.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a dunce.

[Slider]

:lol" @ deathwinger

[skl]

Don't let Kamla little visit go to your head and make you feel ...For Dookeran to tell Kamal come and join him he farse


so you agreeing with my statment "COP acting confident, UNC acting besiged? :lol:

[Mr Majik]

Dookeran needs to be replaced as leader of the COP because it has been proven under his leadership the COP can win absolutely no seats in Trinidad and Tobago.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a dunce.
This statement is duncy. Nothing has been proved other than COP failed to win a seat in the last election.

[Maccogirl]

Don't let Kamla little visit go to your head and make you feel ...For Dookeran to tell Kamal come and join him he farse


so you agreeing with my statment "COP acting confident, UNC acting besiged? :lol:

Yuh know what they say about checking egg in fowl bottom, but go ahead all yuh feel free beat yuh drum and dance, I told you before I will have to excuse you its your age you just young and inquisitive so you feel you know everything but carry on fella :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Slider]

I didn't know skl was a fella that liked to check egg in fowl bottom :lol:

[vaio]

Give me a break, Jack and Ramesh have done more to reach out to the people than the COP ever have. The COP still thinks they can win hearts and minds with a press conference every now and then or a quote from Dookeran in the press every so often. They have to get out on the ground and meet the people but that is way too much work for such a white collar bunch. Enjoy those zero seats.

and why you feel that they are not going out and meeting the ppl :roll: In addition to their weekly meetings, they go out to the different communities and listen to the ppl.

I wonder why you, macco and all the others who feel that COP does not pose a threat, why allyuh have so much bad things to say abt them. Can't u just ignore them and the 100,000+ ppl who voted and support them :roll:

[vaio]

Where in my post do you see I am blaming Dookeran for everything? You still have not answered where Jack and Ramesh was in the big COP event, why did they not attend I would really love to know the answer to that one.If Jack looking for unity and he said that dookeran is a good man and he willing to talk what happened, was Jack not going all over the place asking for talks?

Don't let Kamal little visit go to your head and make you feel Dookeran is now boss if you thinking that wake up, Kamal not going to play second fiddle to Dookeran she has been tested several time in the political arena and has not lost her seat.

For Dookeran to tell Kamal come and join him he farse he has no seat and he not even sure he can win one, but yet asking UNC people with seats in parliament to join him, nah you can bargain from a position of strength not a weak one, and even in Ram/Jack case they also have held their seats, so Dooks only smelling he self once again. :lol:

None of you that support COP will call for the resignation on Dooks, but the fact is he led the COP into an election, he told people he was going to win everything, he had graphs, polls, numbers men for months talking about how COP in the lead, they have the election in the bag, end result the did not get a dam seat, if that had happen to the UNC I wonder what many of you COP die hard would be saying about Panday now. :roll:

Why you don't ask RamJack-G why they did not come to the convention - ent them belong to your party UNC :lol: :lol: :lol:

So even if COP is in a 'weak' position as you put it, why is it that the UNC is calling for them to join them :roll:

Bas told the ppl he was also going to win the elections and he was going to be Prime Minister so you don't have a point there. As I see it Bas can NEVER ever sit on the PM's chair again :lol: :lol:

[Slider]

You know there is still a possibility that Jack and Ramesh could still win the UNC internal elections. If that happens I wonder how it will be accepted by the pro Panday executive.

[skl]

Don't let Kamla little visit go to your head and make you feel ...For Dookeran to tell Kamal come and join him he farse
so you agreeing with my statment "COP acting confident, UNC acting besiged? :lol:

Yuh know what they say about checking egg in fowl bottom, but go ahead all yuh feel free beat yuh drum and dance, I told you before I will have to excuse you its your age you just young and inquisitive so you feel you know everything but carry on fella :lol: :lol: :lol:

so that's a yes or no ? :lol: :D :mrgreen: I'm laughing at your immature attempt to avoid my statement .

[skl]

You know there is still a possibility that Jack and Ramesh could still win the UNC internal elections. If that happens I wonder how it will be accepted by the pro Panday executive.

I betting they not going to let RamJack contest. Panday already laying the groundwork to have them disiciplined (and this ineleigible to constest) or expelled.

[Maccogirl]

so that's a yes or no ? :lol: :D :mrgreen: I'm laughing at your immature attempt to avoid my statement .

There is one thing I don't spend much time on and that is little boys or fools, I answered your statement if you feel you have something to celebrate in the COP you can feel free to do so, no skin off my back that is all that I am saying :roll:

[Maccogirl]

Where in my post do you see I am blaming Dookeran for everything? You still have not answered where Jack and Ramesh was in the big COP event, why did they not attend I would really love to know the answer to that one.If Jack looking for unity and he said that dookeran is a good man and he willing to talk what happened, was Jack not going all over the place asking for talks?

Don't let Kamal little visit go to your head and make you feel Dookeran is now boss if you thinking that wake up, Kamal not going to play second fiddle to Dookeran she has been tested several time in the political arena and has not lost her seat.

For Dookeran to tell Kamal come and join him he farse he has no seat and he not even sure he can win one, but yet asking UNC people with seats in parliament to join him, nah you can bargain from a position of strength not a weak one, and even in Ram/Jack case they also have held their seats, so Dooks only smelling he self once again. :lol:

None of you that support COP will call for the resignation on Dooks, but the fact is he led the COP into an election, he told people he was going to win everything, he had graphs, polls, numbers men for months talking about how COP in the lead, they have the election in the bag, end result the did not get a dam seat, if that had happen to the UNC I wonder what many of you COP die hard would be saying about Panday now. :roll:

Why you don't ask RamJack-G why they did not come to the convention - ent them belong to your party UNC :lol: :lol: :lol: So Jack turn down Dooks invite then :lol:

So even if COP is in a 'weak' position as you put it, why is it that the UNC is calling for them to join them :roll: Is Dooks telling the strong UNC come join us, the party with seats??

Bas told the ppl he was also going to win the elections and he was going to be Prime Minister so you don't have a point there. As I see it Bas can NEVER ever sit on the PM's chair again :lol: :lol: Does anyone enter a race without the thought of winning? but when you run dead last or people lap yuh on the field then you know its time to give up ent?? :lol:

[Mr Majik]

Macco...if Basdeo Panday had quit when he lost badly he would never have been around to become PM.
If John McCain had quit when he lost badly he would never have been around to once again run for his party's nomination and win it handily.

Now, as for your belief that UNC is so strong, let me proffer an analogy.

Bas and Dooks working in the same place and living in the same area. For years Dooks riding bicycle and Bas driving a slick Benz. So Bas always reaching to work an hour before Dooks.

But now the Benz getting old, and Bas didn't take the time to maintain it and care for it. He used to drive it hard and push it beyond it's limits.

One day Dooks reach to work and no sign of Bas. He say maybe the old man home sick. But shortly after Bas walks in vex like hell. The Benz not working good again. It can't go past 50km/h.
Dooks always maintained his bike and because he doesn't have to sit in traffic with the cars he now reaches to work before Bas every day.

[dancerboy]

Macco...if Basdeo Panday had quit when he lost badly he would never have been around to become PM.
If John McCain had quit when he lost badly he would never have been around to once again run for his party's nomination and win it handily.

Now, as for your belief that UNC is so strong, let me proffer an analogy.

Bas and Dooks working in the same place and living in the same area. For years Dooks riding bicycle and Bas driving a slick Benz. So Bas always reaching to work an hour before Dooks.

But now the Benz getting old, and Bas didn't take the time to maintain it and care for it. He used to drive it hard and push it beyond it's limits.

One day Dooks reach to work and no sign of Bas. He say maybe the old man home sick. But shortly after Bas walks in vex like hell. The Benz not working good again. It can't go past 50km/h.
Dooks always maintained his bike and because he doesn't have to sit in traffic with the cars he now reaches to work before Bas every day.

MR.MAJIK my friend, it doh wok so. Bas go only be late one day. He, or one of his rich friends go buy him ah next benz or ah BMW.

DANCERBOY

[Wayne]

Mr.Majik,your Insight of Trini politics is very knowledgeable.I admire that,as I do not possess that ability.Is it
a possibility that you could return to TnT and "lend a hand".......yes?

[Slider]

Majik have a fan now who will vote for him.

[Maccogirl]

We all know Bas old, and in case you did not notice Dooks is no spring chicken either, but some of you acting as if the UNC party is token that can be handed to the nearest person that makes overtones that they want it.

All these sensible people on here listening to Dooks saying come join us UNC, the UNC has 15 seats in the house who in their right mind is going to move over to the COP giving over their positions to the COP. Those are not COP votes that won those seats are they, and who is to tell if this is the desire of the voters that help these UNC people win those seats in the last election.

I keep seeing COP people saying Bas must go, they don't want Bas is there a mass protest by UNC people saying the same thing, until I see that then I will say yes UNC dead. Jack and Ram making one set of noise when the night come in UNC areas are their meeting full with people standing room only calling for Panday to change, where is the ground swell that Panday needs to step down.

I have no problem in Panday stepping down, but there sure seems to me that there is no huge movement of people wanting this to happen, neither is there a huge movement of UNC supporters calling for the UNC to join COP , if someone can furnish the proof that this is what is going on am willing to take a look at it and see, until then I have to say it seems UNC supporters have no problem with Panday being in charge, in the same manner as PNM supporters have no problem with Manning.

[JPersad]

The longer Panday remains leader of the UNC , the more party will continue to lose supporters at a steady rate .However given the history and tactics of this once wily politician,he will ensure the party collapses as soon as he departs as leader .Time and his history however will deny him the leadership of a new and formidable party.

[Maccogirl]

Panday will leave politics my friend so no need to worry. When ever election comes around two parties will have to face the polls maybe more but unfortunately what do you feel will happen if the results turn out to be the same a PNM win, who will you all blame then?

It will be so interesting to hear all the different views as to why COP did not do better or why they could not beat the PNM, I hope am around to share in the discussion because I would love to hear the views especially if Panday and the UNC is no longer in the race :lol: :lol:

[Slider]

You notice, with all the talk about COP, is only Dookeran I hearing about. I eh hearning nothing from Yetming, Sadiq, Ganga Singh and well Gillian leave the boat.

I did see Manohar hugging up Jack Warner on a cricket ground though.

What happen to all those ex-UNC ministers that cross over to the COP? They in the political cemetary now? The truth is that 75% of the COP are not in the COP because they love COP but rather because they HATE Panday. They want to spite the man and hope everything in the UNC goes sour. The COP has a real hater crew inside it.

Whenever you talk to a COPer they don't start off talking about their party, rather they start by something negative about Bas.

[Mr Majik]

Mr.Majik,your Insight of Trini politics is very knowledgeable.I admire that,as I do not possess that ability.Is it
a possibility that you could return to TnT and "lend a hand".......yes?
Thanks for the compliment, but the fact is we all have it in us. We must first shed any preconceptions we have been fed, such as the PNM-till-I-Die sentiment that has been passed down to many of us by our previous generation. My parents, God bless them, are of that ilk. But since they are in their mid 80s and vote only in Canada I don't expend much energy on discussing Trini politics with them.

I have often thought about entering public service here, in Canada, since I am a very community minded person. However, I fear the bloodhound press.
In the folly of my youth I had some innocuous "adventures" which to the average Joe, or my friends and neighbours are really no big deal. But with the nature of the media game I would be concerned that someone would see my picture, call some gung ho reporter and turn the fragmented skeleton in my closet into a full fledged Frankenstein's monster.

As far as T&T politics, I have thought about that now. But I am deterred when I see the reception given to those who haven't been part of the "in" scene all their lives. Although my Dad was very well known around T'dad, his children are relatively unknown. And those who knew him personally are rapidly crossing over to the Promised Land.

I see the detractors who question Dookeran's years in Canada, which are nowhere as long as the years I've had here. I am well aware that there are many people in Trinidad who don't look kindly on a "foreigner" who they perceive is coming to "show the natives how it's done."

Yes, I would like to help Trinidad. I just don't know, at this time, how I could.

[Mr Majik]

We all know Bas old, and in case you did not notice Dooks is no spring chicken either, but some of you acting as if the UNC party is token that can be handed to the nearest person that makes overtones that they want it.

All these sensible people on here listening to Dooks saying come join us UNC, the UNC has 15 seats in the house who in their right mind is going to move over to the COP giving over their positions to the COP. Those are not COP votes that won those seats are they But in the seats UNC lost, is COP votes lose it for them, ent?
, and who is to tell if this is the desire of the voters that help these UNC people win those seats in the last election.

I keep seeing COP people saying Bas must go, they don't want Bas is there a mass protest by UNC people saying the same thing, until I see that then I will say yes UNC dead. Jack and Ram making one set of noise when the night come in UNC areas are their meeting full with people standing room only calling for Panday to change, where is the ground swell that Panday needs to step down.

I have no problem in Panday stepping down, but there sure seems to me that there is no huge movement of people wanting this to happen, neither is there a huge movement of UNC supporters calling for the UNC to join COP , if someone can furnish the proof that this is what is going on am willing to take a look at it and see, until then I have to say it seems UNC supporters have no problem with Panday being in charge, in the same manner as PNM supporters have no problem with Manning.
How disingenuous can you really get? In the last GE COP got 148,041 votes. Considering that most pundits put the makeup of COP supporters who left the UNC at about 1/3, that's about 100,000 who left the UNC mainly because of Bas. 10% of the population, or 22.64% of the vote, or 30% of the votes UNC could have gotten is a HUGE chunk by any stretch.
Add that to the amount of Letters to the Editor, blog posts, and forum posters who say they support a UNC without Bas, or say they want the UNC and COP to unite, there is a massive groundswell of support for some kind of unification. The blocking point is the presence of Basdeo Panday.
It really matters little whether any new entity is known as COP or UNC. What matters, and I believe Dooks understands this, is that it must be a party with a rigid structure, inalienable rules, and a fair internal governing system. And it must not include Bas in any authority position.

[skl]

When ever election comes around two parties will have to face the polls maybe more but unfortunately what do you feel will happen if the results turn out to be the same a PNM win, who will you all blame then?



I doh know. [smilie=crazy.gif] maybe the people that vote PNM ? that's seems like a reasonable view.

or maybe the oppostion camapign was lacking something attractive to voters- that could also be it. :mrgreen:

why MG , who you going to blame ? [smilie=boredom.gif]

[Mr Majik]

When ever election comes around two parties will have to face the polls maybe more but unfortunately what do you feel will happen if the results turn out to be the same a PNM win, who will you all blame then?



I doh know. [smilie=crazy.gif] maybe the people that vote PNM ? that's seems like a reasonable view.

or maybe the oppostion camapign was lacking something attractive to voters- that could also be it. :mrgreen:

why MG , who you going to blame ? [smilie=boredom.gif]
Dookeran nah...

But really Macco...I see you and all posting how Bas should step down and give someone else a chance. What happen? Like you flip flopping now or what?

[Maccogirl]

Mr Majik stick to politics in Canada nah, if you going to say that there is a grown swell of emails, blogs and forum posters who say they support a UNC without Bas, using that as a yardstick to come to some political conclusion you really need a lesson in Trini politics.

Letters to media editors have been know to be written by the same people over and over using different names, the calling radio programs if you listen well are the same callers over and over, saying the same old lines on every station that they can get into. I have gotten so familiar with their voices now that I know their radio names as soon as they say one line.

As for this political forum for years it has been the same people posting on here many living overseas and never vote in T&T anymore, at election time yes a few new ones appear some old names return mostly PNM die hards to support the PNM but that is it, is this what you are going to take as a marker as voters wanting change?

Yesterday there was Ram/Jack motorcade rolling through St. James their caravan for change, Jack and the boys standing on the back of a pick up with mic in hand calling out to the public, while following them two big music trucks blasting Jahagi Bai like Carnival Monday.

I was standing in front of a very popular car parts place, the customers all ran out to see the show to my surprise you know what the response of the man in the street was, it was to tell Jack to haul he tail, people have no time for that nonsense, Jack have money to waste, he should go see about the people football and some was very vocal in telling him that.

You may not want to take that as a yardstick to judge with is really going on in T&T, but these are the grass root voters, the people that get up come out and vote in their numbers not the high fliers, the forum addicts and overly educated of this society, these are the simple folk of T&T and if you cant reach them with your message or if they feel you are not genuine a politicians chances of ever winning an election or a seat are rather dim, that is the nature of T&T politics.

[Mr Majik]

But isn't St James a PNM stronghold?
Would Panday have gotten a big welcome passing through the same crowd at the same time?

[Mr Majik]

Even more relevant to the thread...how would Dookeran have been received by that crowd?

[Slider]

Where the Caravan was passing through along the Western Main Rd. there would have been a cross section of the society as that is one of the busiest business districts in the country. You wouldn't find much people (i.e. PNM voters) living along the WMR as compared to the side streets.

So Macco is right to say that those sentiments are what would be reflected by a lot of people.

St. James is part of the POS South Constituency where the PNM/COP vote ratio is 7800/3100 so there is good COP following too - i.e. Anti-Panday. So if people were telling Jack those things then it means the Caravan hasn't really done anything.

[Mr Majik]

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Check other Vids from This Channel here... (http://www.youtube.com/user/theunitedvoice)

[Slider]

From the video it seems as if those in UNC heartland are fed up with Panday and are welcoming the change proposed by Ramjack.

[Maccogirl]

All the vids come from the Ram/Jack channel what you expect to find dey :lol: