What is the latest on the Tobago hospital?

[TheLight]

Someone need to answer why the pnm government spend over 500 million on this project and not complete it and the only way for this o be done the pnm must be voted out, so the new UNC-A government can investigate this scandal properly and charge anyone found guilty of Larceny

Call to examine Larceny Act


The "appropriate authorities" should examine the Larceny Act to find out if NH International (Caribbean) (NHIC) has committed any offence by the removal of Nipdec's materials from the Scarborough Hospital site.

This is among the recommendations in the report of the Commission of Enquiry into the Scarborough Hospital project/Landate affair.

The report was laid in the Senate on Tuesday.

The Commission, which was headed by retired Justice Annestine Sealey, found that materials from the publicly-funded Scarborough Hospital project were moved to the private Mason Hall development in which Housing Minister Dr Keith Rowley has an interest.

The Commission was set up following an allegation by Opposition Chief Whip Ganga Singh during last year's budget debate that materials, labour and equipment had been illegally moved to the Landate development owned by Sharon Rowley, the wife of the Housing Minister.

In its 96-page report, the Commission stated: "The removal of materials, as a further finding of fact, to the Landate Development can be verified by the documents submitted by NHIC (NH International (Caribbean).

The Commission "found both in law and in fact that the unfixed materials on the Scarborough Hospital site is and was the property of the employer (Nipdec) and that the pretended claim by NHIC that it owned the material, was both unfounded and unjustified".

The commission advised Nipdec to revisit its contract with the NHIC, which was entered into on March 6, 2003, to ascertain whether a fundamental breach has occurred by such removal and the enforcement of such right to damages.

http://www.thetobagonews.com/index.pl/a ... id=4616630 (http://www.thetobagonews.com/index.pl/article?id=4616630)

[Scorpio]

I am waiting to see if Tobagonian voters will make the PNM pay for the hospital fiasco.

[TheLight]

I hope they do

[nobellium]

Who else they go vote..? NAR??

Tobagonians probably never even hear about COP...

[sam48]

All Trinis,
Remember a fella named Desmond Cartey of the PNM
In the middle of an election campaign he admitted that "all ah we teef"
Rowley is vehemently denying any knowledge of the stealing of materials and labor from the siteof the Tobago hospital and is making all kinds of legal acrobatics to save his arse.
I am waiting for him to pull a Panday and say that he had left the handling of that business totally in the hands of the wifey and was blissfully unaware of all the thievery that took place and that may be the reason why the hospital cyah finish build.

[slick]

Once the PNM in power, them fellas business fix.
Is a different law for them...it's called LAWlessness.

[JediKnight]

Who else they go vote..? NAR??

Tobagonians probably never even hear about COP...

Wha make you feel so. COP is alive and well in Tobago. Tobagonians fully well know about the COP.

[Scorpio]

YUh see that "who we go put" mentality, dais what have TNt in the mess it in today, this is why some politicians rub ***** in the electorate eyes with impunity.

[citizen]

Isn't is strange how politicians like Panday and Rowley blame their wives when things go wrong? In all these cases, corruption is the name of the game - the airport, the hospital, ...

[JediKnight]

Isn't is strange how politicians like Panday and Rowley blame their wives when things go wrong? In all these cases, corruption is the name of the game - the airport, the hospital, ...

Wait nah Citizen... yuh songin like Ganga Singh on de platform in Cunupia on Friday... :mrgreen:

[citizen]

Well either great minds think alike, or else, fools seldom differ! Take your pick.

[JediKnight]

Well either great minds think alike, or else, fools seldom differ! Take your pick.

Ah goin wid d great minds!!! :mrgreen:

[TheLight]

Did Manning say anything Saturday about Tobago Hospital?

[JediKnight]

Did Manning say anything Saturday about Tobago Hospital?

Ah doh tink so, buh he shoulda say dat is Eudine fault it eh build and da is why he fire she. Or that NH was too busy in Trinidad and they went off track when the scaffolding collapse!

[Scorpio]

Who cares about hospital, ah sure de Landate Housing Project done long time. :evil:

[TheLight]

Take allyuh time and read this,

Here you have proven corruption, yet no one is charge for it, why?


The Commission, which was headed by retired Justice Annestine Sealey, found that materials from the publicly-funded Scarborough Hospital project were moved to the private Mason Hall development in which Housing Minister Dr Keith Rowley has an interest.
http://www.thetobagonews.com/index.pl/a ... id=4616630

Some $5 million worth of material has been improperly removed from the Scarborough Hospital project site in Tobago, according to the National Insurance Property Development Co Ltd (Nipdec).
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161077682 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161077682)

[sam48]

Rowley say all he knowis that he hired the same contractor who is building the hospital to do his landate project and that is allhe know. He was not watching the contractor to see where he getting the materials from.
The convenient coincident is that both projects were being done at the very same time and as a cabinet minister he would have had the inside info about when the hospital building project would commence.Naughty boy Keith.

[Somebody007]

This thread need to get shut down.....Keith Rowley has been cleared of all this rubbish talk by a Canadian Investigator.....yuh eh see nobody on the opposition talking about materials missing from the Tobago Hospital on d political platform.....because this would be libel. The Light, why yuh doh talk about Lennox Smith from the UNC getting arrested for violating a restraining order and domestic violence in which the man wife had to call the police for him.

[Scorpio]

007 have my vote for Moderator. :D

[TheLight]

He cleared by who?? You telling me a hospital which suppose to cost 131 million dollars reach 500 million not completed, abandon in bush and that is ok with you….geez

[Somebody007]

Light, go and listen to Dookeran and Panday talk on d platform....that issue with the Tobago Hospital will never come up. That man has already been cleared of that charge by canadian investigators who were hired to look into that issue. It is dead Light, the issue is dead....doh bring up ole tork unless we wanna revisit the cowshed terminal up Piarco....yuh know, what we call an airport.....when it is actually one terminal and the real airport aint start to build as yet.....whey all the money gone from the airport dread....Imagine one revolving door costing 70 million dollars......just one door yuh know....and it have a couple of dem doors in the airport....while dem same revolving doors cost just a couple of thousand pounds in the UK.....

Ping ah ling, Ping ah ling......this thread will be closed soon.

[TheLight]

How many times the PNM will squander the taxpayer’s money and getaway with it

We had the Caroni Racing Complex 100 million dollars
Then project pride 100 million dollars
Then LABIDCO 300 million dollars
The Lara stadium 1 billion
The blimps 50 million
The Tobago hospital 500 million dollars


Is time to make pnm pay!

[TheLight]

Some more corruption to ponder on!

2002 – 2005,
$1 billion corruption in CEPEP
$70 million in NEDCO
$100 million in National Housing Authority refurbishment
$1 billion unaccounted for by National Housing Authority
$2 billion in red by Water And Sewage Authority
$500 million Health Sector corruption scandal

The PNM Government history of corruption
1960 Lock Joint scandal;
1970 John O’Halloran and Francis Prevatt;
1980 $1 billion cost overrun and corruption in the Twin Towers, Hall of Justice and Eric Williams Sciences Complex.
1990 BWIA with the Ed Acker scandal,
Powergen,

[Somebody007]

Up to now, we still have to find out how much money does Oma Panday have in her London Bank Account. Over 25 billion dollars was wasted in the Piarco Cowshed Terminal, whey all that money gone dred.

[lak]

Up to now, we still have to find out how much money does Oma Panday have in her London Bank Account. Over 25 billion dollars was wasted in the Piarco Cowshed Terminal, whey all that money gone dred.


Oh Lawd even KingB did not exaggerate with a figure like you! $25Billion. You are very desperate!!

You playing smart with your selective stupidity. The matter is before the courts and Oma Panday has been charged with having $ US 125,000 in her account!!

[Somebody007]

Manninng promises to invesitgate all the cowshed stadiums built by Jack Warner and company when he returns to power after November the 5th. Allyuh sit down and watch how thw UNC will crumble after that.

[Double Trouble]

This thread need to get shut down.....Keith Rowley has been cleared of all this rubbish talk by a Canadian Investigator.....yuh eh see nobody on the opposition talking about materials missing from the Tobago Hospital on d political platform.....because this would be libel. The Light, why yuh doh talk about Lennox Smith from the UNC getting arrested for violating a restraining order and domestic violence in which the man wife had to call the police for him.

Somebody,

Like that thief is yuh pappy or what? How yuh so defensive about this?

[Somebody007]

This thread need to get shut down.....Keith Rowley has been cleared of all this rubbish talk by a Canadian Investigator.....yuh eh see nobody on the opposition talking about materials missing from the Tobago Hospital on d political platform.....because this would be libel. The Light, why yuh doh talk about Lennox Smith from the UNC getting arrested for violating a restraining order and domestic violence in which the man wife had to call the police for him.

Somebody,

Like that thief is yuh pappy or what? How yuh so defensive about this?


Double Trouble I not being defensive...all I saying is that this issue has already been dealt with and the canadian investigator cleared him of any wrong doing, that is why no politician not talking about this issue on a platform. Light just trying to dig up dirt to make the PNM look bad. Why yuh think I bring up the issue of Lennox Smith of the UNC getting charge for violating a restraining order and fraud....issuing of false cheques. That is more pertinent now than all this Rowley chupidness that he has already been cleared of.

This is a clear indication that it have trinis whose concern is to smear Rowley's reputation as a PNM Minister.....guess what all them efforts will fail big time.

[TheLight]

What nonsense you talking … you saying it is ok for pnm to spend 500 million dollars on a suppose hospital and have nothing to show for it and a commission of enquiry established materials was move from the hospital to Rowley landate compound and the public must ignore that?

NO WAY…PNM MUST PAY! VOTE THEM OUT!

[TheLight]

I saw the Tobago hospital on C News the entire building surrounded with overgrown bush

[Somebody007]

Boy this issue dead....how come you ent try to justify to all ah we what Bas and Jack was doing in South Africa. Alot of people have become disoriented with the UNC.

[TheLight]

Boy this issue dead....how come you ent try to justify to all ah we what Bas and Jack was doing in South Africa. Alot of people have become disoriented with the UNC.

Why you don’t justify how 5 million dollars in materials was move from the hospital to Rowley landate project

[Somebody007]

Boy this issue dead....how come you ent try to justify to all ah we what Bas and Jack was doing in South Africa. Alot of people have become disoriented with the UNC.

Why you don’t justify how 5 million dollars in materials was move from the hospital to Rowley landate project

Boss Rowley himself is not responsible for any materials being moved from the project. I told you umpteen times that the courts already did their investigation on this. The man is not responsible for any materials being moved from the Hospital to the landate project. The case has not been closed yet however.

[TheLight]

the courts already did their investigation on this.

Courts doing investigation now! What next?

[serenity]

007,
How the issue dead? Forgive meh, ah havent been following.
I thought Rowley get away on a technicality (as opposed to there being no merit to the charge) ie not given a chance to answer the charges befor eth report was submitted.
He thief. How the hell millions of dollars in material could reach on your property and u eh know nothing about it? Santa Claus drop it for u? Somebody setting him up? :roll:

[TheLight]

Rowley can't getaway with this!

London embarrassed over hospital, airport projects
Friday, October 19th 2007
Chief Secretary Orville London has said the stalled multi-million Tobago Regional Hospital project and the Crown Point airport expansion were "major embarrassments" to him and his administration.

He said he would be the first person to say that the hospital and airport projects were embarrassments.

http://www.thetobagonews.com/index.pl/a ... d=13973802 (http://www.thetobagonews.com/index.pl/article?id=13973802)

[TheLight]

How many of you want to see pnm account for the Tobago Hospital, Vote UNCA!

[gaia]

Boss Rowley himself is not responsible for any materials being moved from the project. I told you umpteen times that the courts already did their investigation on this. The man is not responsible for any materials being moved from the Hospital to the landate project. The case has not been closed yet however.
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Nah de man innocent, de material move by itself! Is he responsible for de construction, is he guilty, no two ways. If he say is de contractor, then tek he tu court, but somebody must pay. PNM corruption going on for too long. Since Erica lending money to de state and Mahabir an O hallaran teef, an de PNM does leave de tresury empty everytime dey lose election. For at least 40 yrs now. Move dem out FOREVER

[bluemellow]

How many of you want to see pnm account for the Tobago Hospital, Vote UNCA!

except in tobago... they didn't bother to send up candidates there.

[TheLight]

How many of you want to see pnm account for the Tobago Hospital, Vote UNCA!

except in tobago... they didn't bother to send up candidates there.

Alright, alright, vote DAC/TUF in Tobago

[peanut]

How many of you want to see pnm account for the Tobago Hospital, Vote UNCA!

except in tobago... they didn't bother to send up candidates there.

Alright, alright, vote DAC/TUF in Tobago

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[TheLight]

Rowley in jail yet?

[TheLight]

The "appropriate authorities" should examine the Larceny Act to find out if NH International (Caribbean) (NHIC) has committed any offence by the removal of Nipdec's materials from the Scarborough Hospital site.

http://www.thetobagonews.com/index.pl/a ... id=4616630

So Elias should be charge for stealing

And then Rowley would be charge for…

The crime of receiving stolen property occurs when a person buys or possesses property that has been stolen through theft, fraud, deceit, embezzlement, or taken by any other unlawful means by someone else.


Why the PNM Police not doing their job?

[TheLight]

Elias in jail yet?

[trinisuckz]

why spend any more money to finish a Hospital when we can spend that 300 million on the PMs residence?

:roll:

its not like the people of Tobago matter! - im sure this is one of the justifications of our illustrious leaders decision not to finish the hospital!

[TheLight]

I don’t know what the PNM police doing, they charged a man for distributing flyers without a phone # but here we have massive corruption and the PNM police doing absolutely nothing

[Somebody007]

You still with this stale piece of talk??? This case already dead....time to move on....I told you 500 times that Rowley has been cleared of all charges with this Tobago Hospital issue yet you still keep bringing it up. Please get your head checked out.

[TheLight]

You still with this stale piece of talk??? This case already dead....time to move on....I told you 500 times that Rowley has been cleared of all charges with this Tobago Hospital issue yet you still keep bringing it up. Please get your head checked out.

It will never go away until Rowley in jail….

[Somebody007]

You still with this stale piece of talk??? This case already dead....time to move on....I told you 500 times that Rowley has been cleared of all charges with this Tobago Hospital issue yet you still keep bringing it up. Please get your head checked out.

It will never go away until Rowley in jail….


Well you can keep on dreaming of seeing Rowley in jail because that will never happen.....hmmmm.....so tell me.....what will end up with Panday and all his cases....will he end up in jail?

[sam48]

somebody 007,
Panday may or may not end up in jail but that is a red herring yuh tryin topull across this thread.
The only reason why Rowley arse not in front the court is because Manning have his arse locked up politically. The only threat of any substance to Manning and being PNM honcho and PM for life has sold his manhood for a mess of pottage in the Landate housing development and is dead, Manning owns his arse.
If Manning only get up one morning having only had a dream with no proof whatever that Rowley is conspiring against him, it goh be Rowley arse in jail.
So if yuh tink dat is a dead matter just wait an see.
Personally I dont mind, because if I was forced, on the pain of death, to choose between them I would have to hold my nose very tightly, turn away and choose meh boy Augustus.

[Double Trouble]

What was the original estimate and how much was spent before this project came to a halt?

[sam48]

Double Trouble,
Dem PNM boys notinterested in dat, dey only interested in Panday and Steve and Ish.
Yuh notice dat is only after PNM done win all the Tobago seat dat that hypocrite London re-discover his conscience and his shame.Typical PNMitis.
How allyuh find Manning tsunami stadium looking, it look like that abandon too, maybe the PNM boys may be wiling to update us on the cost so far and when it is expectedto be completed.

[TheLight]

What was the original estimate and how much was spent before this project came to a halt?

131 million and 500 million spent only 60% completed

[Somebody007]

Could somebody give me a figure on how much was spent on our cowshed terminal we call an airport up Piarco??? The place is a wanton wastage....billions and billions was spent on a cowshed airport.

[Double Trouble]

Could somebody give me a figure on how much was spent on our cowshed terminal we call an airport up Piarco??? The place is a wanton wastage....billions and billions was spent on a cowshed airport.

Somebody,

Stick to the topic! We are discussing a grossly over budget hospital that's not even close to completion. Do you really want to go into all the PNM projects that were abandoned or the billions that are still unaccounted for over the years? While the airport went way over budget, it's operational and a far cry from that old airport that your PNM governments couldn't replace in all their years at the helm.

[TheLight]

How come police not searching Rowley and Elias house every Monday morning?

[TheLight]

:roll: Well ah heard Dooks telling Manning to make the ole teef minister of security

[vaio]

how can you label the man.....he has never been convicted of anything....unlike other ppl in politics...

i think he can do a better job than Martin Joseph.....in fact any one can do a better job than MJ....

[Somebody007]

how can you label the man.....he has never been convicted of anything....unlike other ppl in politics...

i think he can do a better job than Martin Joseph.....in fact any one can do a better job than MJ....



Vaio, you forget is bLight yuh talking to.....Rowley never get convicted of any crimes and time and time again I keep telling this man that Rowley has been cleared by the courts and a canadian investigator on this issue yet they still keep on talking about this bull crap.....leave them let them talk but if a Panday verdict comes in guilty, trust me, that will hurt harder than anything they ever faced in this life.

By the way your avatars are stepping up a next level....this one with a nice halo on her head makes you the shining star you already are..... :D :D :D :D :D

[vaio]

bLight does vex meh sometimes :roll: ....the charges were cleared....so keith has no charges pending against him....but he callin the man a teef.....he will say that Bas innocent...but committed to stand trial.....innocent until proven guilty bLight.... :roll:

thanx for the avatar comments... :oops:

[TheLight]

The commission of inquiry proved materials from the Tobago hospital went to Rowley landate project and allyuh don’t have a problem with that?

What frocking hypocrisy

[sam48]

The Light,
If you are interested in proof of the DPP being a PNM yes man you have it right there.
There is aperfectly good reason why neither Rowley nor Elias is being prosecuted.
Elias is a PNM financier.
Rowley was the only threat of any substance to the continuing reign of the emperor.
Sincethe Landate issue and the wrongdoing you refer too was exposed Manning has Rowley,s testicles locked up in his desk drawer to ensure that he cant make a squawk in Balisier House or the DPP will be let loose on his backside. This ensures the uncontested reign of emperor Manning and the palatial life of his family far into the forseeable future.
The threat to Manning,s leadership from the Rowley, Hinds and Valley threesome has now been neutralised. Long Live The Emperor!!
Did you notice how quickly Rowley rushed to let Manning know that he putting Dookeran and the COP in dey place for suggesting that Manning should appoint him as NS minister. The Rotweiler eh taking no chances nah, jail eh nice at all .

[Somebody007]

The commission of inquiry proved materials from the Tobago hospital went to Rowley landate project and allyuh don’t have a problem with that?

What frocking hypocrisy



Try reading the front page of today's Guardian and deal with that.....now thats hypocrisy.....

[Falcon]

oye guys, watch the potty mouths please.........

[TheLight]

This clearly shows how corrupted Trevor Paul is :roll:

The Commission, which was headed by retired Justice Annestine Sealey, found that materials from the publicly-funded Scarborough Hospital project were moved to the private Mason Hall development in which Housing Minister Dr Keith Rowley has an interest.
http://www.thetobagonews.com/index.pl/a ... id=4616630

Some $5 million worth of material has been improperly removed from the Scarborough Hospital project site in Tobago, according to the National Insurance Property Development Co Ltd (Nipdec).
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161077682

[Somebody007]

Them websites you just gave there is for the both the front pages of the Trinidad Express and Tobago News. Next time try to quote a correct source rather than giving us the front pages of daily newspapers..... :roll:

[TheLight]

Them websites you just gave there is for the both the front pages of the Trinidad Express and Tobago News. Next time try to quote a correct source rather than giving us the front pages of daily newspapers..... :roll:

Try reading it again!

The Commission, which was headed by retired Justice Annestine Sealey, found that materials from the publicly-funded Scarborough Hospital project were moved to the private Mason Hall development in which Housing Minister Dr Keith Rowley has an interest.http://www.thetobagonews.com/index.pl/a ... id=4616630

Some $5 million worth of material has been improperly removed from the Scarborough Hospital project site in Tobago, according to the National Insurance Property Development Co Ltd (Nipdec).http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161077682

[Somebody007]

Still not getting them websites you talking about....I even did a search on google bout them same websites you pasted and came up empty handed.

[rivers]

you know what's interesting about dimlight, to him the facts be damned, ah mean Rowley took the integrity commission to court and got a judgement against them over this same issue but you want to talk about the movement of material.

The fact that material is moved from one location to another, how is that Rowley's fault? Is there any evidence that Rowley told the contractor, who he hired to do a job for him, to take the material from the hospital work site? Secondly, if the contractor had intended to steal the material for use at mason hall, would he have kept detail record of the material's movement from one site to the next? This is much to do about nothing, but dimlight carry on.

[Somebody007]

Rivers, Light already knows that Rowley was not responsible for the movement of materials but just want to be naive about the situation. Yuh notice the media don't talk about this issue....it is because the courts and the Integrity Commission already did their work on it and found nothing to convict Rowley of any wrong doings....but Light just want to prolong anything to make the PNM party look bad nah....but according to Rivers.....carry on.

[peanut]

007, I know Keith Rowley, I have worked with the man and I stand by what I have said ... Keith is a man of impeccable character and integrity who stands for fairplay and justice. Keith will never condone a crime against the poeple of T&T especially where the theft of their tax dollars are concerned.

[Somebody007]

007, I know Keith Rowley, I have worked with the man and I stand by what I have said ... Keith is a man of impeccable character and integrity who stands for fairplay and justice. Keith will never condone a crime against the poeple of T&T especially where the theft of their tax dollars are concerned.


Peanut, I will never doubt what you said here but the question is if Light understands whats going on?

[TheLight]

007, I know Keith Rowley, I have worked with the man and I stand by what I have said ... Keith is a man of impeccable character and integrity who stands for fairplay and justice. Keith will never condone a crime against the poeple of T&T especially where the theft of their tax dollars are concerned.


Peanut, I will never doubt what you said here but the question is if Light understands whats going on?

Why allyuh don’t ask Rowley how much he paid the contractors

[sam48]

The incorruptible Mr Rowley's Landate housing development project in Tobago was done while he was housing minister and at the sametime that the Tobago hospital was being built. Just co-incidence you say? OK I believe you. The same contractor building the hospital is the same contractor doing the incorruptible Mr Rowley's housing development project.Just co-incidence you say ? I believe you.
The contractor is a longtime PNM supporter and major financier who regularly gets a share in every major govt construction project. Just co-incidence you say? I believe you . I also believe you can sell me Manning's new palace for a hundred bucks anytime I want it.

[peanut]

Who all yuh wanted Keith and Sharon to give the contract to Ish .. ah suppose if Ish did get it wasn't going to have this kangkada ent :roll: :roll:

[sam48]

No peanut,
The problem is the arrogance and dont give a damn attitude of a govt minister who knows that he can do whatever whenever he likes with no care for how his actions will be perceived by the public.
How much taxpayers dollars were wasted just investigating these coincidents.
Does your incorruptible Rowley care?

[peanut]

Who is it that pushed for the investigations? I could of told them Keith would never condone something like that, but noooooooooooo, so it was investigated and NO EVIDENCE was found that Keith knew about the transfer of materials ... as a matter of fact KEITH FIRED ELIAS WHEN HE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT!

[Double Trouble]

Who is it that pushed for the investigations? I could of told them Keith would never condone something like that, but noooooooooooo, so it was investigated and NO EVIDENCE was found that Keith knew about the transfer of materials ... as a matter of fact KEITH FIRED ELIAS WHEN HE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT!

Typical! Typical!

Why did poor and innocent Elias, a well respected PNM financier, get fired for doing absolutely nothing wrong at the Tobago Hospital site?

[TheLight]

So allyuh tell me nah how much Rowley paid the contractors?

[sam48]

So peanut ,
We could look forward to Elias suing Rowley for breach of contract then?
After all Elias would have lost a lot of money on that job through no fault of his own,or will Rowley ensure that he make up for it with some juicy cost overruns on another govt project later.
You and Rowley must really believe that everybody dumb and blind in TnT.
Rowley fire Elias what hypocrisy. Too late fella.
The emperor now has the files on Rowley ready to be forwarded to the DPP.
This puts paid to any hope Rowley had of dethroning the emperor. Poor fella has to keep his mouth shut and only speak when the emperor says sic them Rover ah mean Keithos.

[Somebody007]

So peanut ,
We could look forward to Elias suing Rowley for breach of contract then?
After all Elias would have lost a lot of money on that job through no fault of his own,or will Rowley ensure that he make up for it with some juicy cost overruns on another govt project later.
You and Rowley must really believe that everybody dumb and blind in TnT.
Rowley fire Elias what hypocrisy. Too late fella.
The emperor now has the files on Rowley ready to be forwarded to the DPP.
This puts paid to any hope Rowley had of dethroning the emperor. Poor fella has to keep his mouth shut and only speak when the emperor says sic them Rover ah mean Keithos.



Who is the Emperor? All I know is that we have a Prime Minister and a President....I doh know what you talking about here.

[peanut]

[quote="sam48"]So peanut ,
We could look forward to Elias suing Rowley for breach of contract then?

Sue for what? A breach of contract .. :roll: :roll:

[Sly1]

This thread need to get shut down.....Keith Rowley has been cleared of all this rubbish talk by a Canadian Investigator.....yuh eh see nobody on the opposition talking about materials missing from the Tobago Hospital on d political platform.....because this would be libel. The Light, why yuh doh talk about Lennox Smith from the UNC getting arrested for violating a restraining order and domestic violence in which the man wife had to call the police for him.

Shut down the thread? WHY? It seem like it is going good.......WOW!!!!.....PNM hiding behind so much money?

[TheLight]

This thread need to get shut down.....Keith Rowley has been cleared of all this rubbish talk by a Canadian Investigator.....yuh eh see nobody on the opposition talking about materials missing from the Tobago Hospital on d political platform.....because this would be libel. The Light, why yuh doh talk about Lennox Smith from the UNC getting arrested for violating a restraining order and domestic violence in which the man wife had to call the police for him.

Shut down the thread? WHY? It seem like it is going good.......WOW!!!!.....PNM hiding behind so much money?

The rate they thieving it, soon it wouldn’t have any to hide behind…

But I find it strange no one can answer me how much Rowley paid the contractors

[lak]

[quote="Somebody007"]Keith Rowley has been cleared of all this rubbish talk by a Canadian Investigator.....

Was this "Canadian Investigator" a member of the RCMP? Because as far as I know a "Canadian Investigator" cannot lay charges, nor exempt anyone from being charged in a non Canadian jurisdiction.

[TheLight]

Ah still waiting, anyone know how much Rowley paid the contractors for the landate project?

[sam48]

Peanut,
Rowley admittted that he hired Elias (a contractor) to do a construction project on a private housing project belonging to Keith and Sharon Rowley in Tobago.
Which contractor you know doesnot draw up and sign contract documents and get his client to sign the documents also.
You will find out what contract it is when Manning hand the Landate file to the DPP.

[TheLight]

Still waiting!

allyuh tell me nah how much Rowley paid the contractors?

[sam48]

The light ,
Doh waste yuh time waiting , the silence from the PNMites willget louder.
The blindness disease has taken possesion of their mouth now.
PNM = Bobol + Bobol x Bobol since 1956.So doh waste yuh time dey incapable of answering yuh.

[peanut]

Peanut,
Rowley admittted that he hired Elias (a contractor) to do a construction project on a private housing project belonging to Keith and Sharon Rowley in Tobago.
Which contractor you know doesnot draw up and sign contract documents and get his client to sign the documents also.
You will find out what contract it is when Manning hand the Landate file to the DPP.

I know of 2 of them. They will do it according to the person who they are doing the work for.

[sam48]

Well if Elias and Rowley was keeping the business in the PNM family so they did not sign a contract,what proof does Rowley have that it was not all corruption from the get go as evidenced by the timing of both projects and Rowley's choice of contractor.
Allyuh PNMites really feel everybody blind like allyuh.
Dont you think Mr Rivers, that out of an abundance of caution, taking into consideration the timing of both projects and the likely perception that the public could have about it, that an intelligent man like Rowley would have insisted on a legal and binding airtight written agreement with his contractor of choice? Is that the way he transacts govt business? By word of mouth.
Manning waiting like a mapipire zanana for Rowley backside.

[peanut]

How come there was suck a lack of enthusiasm into condemning the UNC in the airport and the Desalination plant corruption? [among others] BTW, all yuh condemn Ish and company yet?

How come all still defending Panday and he $10mil bank account?

How come is discrimination and persecution of the UNC when their asses are before the court for tiefing and all yuh bawling is corruption with Rowley and Elias?

All yuh help meh to understand nah.

[sam48]

I for one, hold no brief for anyone engaged in corruption PNM UNC or whoever.
Anyone however big he may be who isgiven a fair trial and is found to be guilty of corruption or any crime for that matter, must be made to feel the wieght of the law.
Selective persecution for political reasons is not justice and I am not in favor of that.
When the evidence has been weighed and the law has run it s course whoever if Panday or Ish or Steve or Rowley or Eric Williams or Franklyn Khan and any one else is found guilty,I say like my grandfather
"Jail eh make to ripe fig" jail dey arse.
Do you want morecondemnation than that or should I say lynch them, hang them before they are given the oportunity to defend themselves Rowley and Elias included.
Rowley private housing development project completed and the Hospital for the poor people in Tobago hang up. Why shouldnt Rowley and Elias explain their part in this and be made accountable? Because somebody not condemning Panday?

[peanut]

Which one of them crooks was selected for persecution for political reasons?

If all yuh have so beef with Rowley and Elias, why not file a case in court against on behalf of the citizens of T&T, ent all yuh have Ramesh ... give him the evidence!

[Somebody007]

Which one of them crooks was selected for persecution for political reasons?

If all yuh have so beef with Rowley and Elias, why not file a case in court against on behalf of the citizens of T&T, ent all yuh have Ramesh ... give him the evidence!



Peanut, I eh lying eh but yuh could bring things across real peppery for them UNCmites...... :D :D :D

[sam48]

When an investigation paid for with the peoples money recommends to the PNM govt that action should be taken because wrongdoing actually took place, it is Manning and the PNM who should take action because the evidence was presented to Manning not Ramesh. If yuh want Ramesh to take upthe case tell Manning to give him a copy of the report thatwas paid for with the peoples money.
Manning is holding on to that report until the day he find out that Rowley plotting to remove him from the palace, den yuh go see action.

[peanut]

There yuh go again, why must I tell Manning to give Ramesh a copy of the report, do you hear me singing blah blah blah, Rowley this and Elias that? ... I doh think so.

Yuh mean Manning holding on to an incriminating report, come on man by now you should know Manning don't hold on to anything incriminating, ent he exposed the pictures of the Kensington Flats and the $10 mil London Bank acct?

[TheLight]

There yuh go again, why must I tell Manning to give Ramesh a copy of the report, do you hear me singing blah blah blah, Rowley this and Elias that? ... I doh think so.

Yuh mean Manning holding on to an incriminating report, come on man by now you should know Manning don't hold on to anything incriminating, ent he exposed the pictures of the Kensington Flats and the $10 mil London Bank acct?

You don’t fedup shyt and eat it, one minute you COP, one minute you UNC, one minute you PNM, one minute you Dead, one minute you Alive, you should really pack up and hide your head in shame because you no-longer credible.

[sam48]

Meanwhile all the poor suckers in Tobago who voted for the PNM are still waiting for their hospital.
The PNMbig man in Tobago Orville London wait until after the election to say that the PNM failure is an embarrasment,somebody should have minused some teeth from him fortwith.
As London was speaking Emperor Manning and Empress Hazeltine with Brian and whats his name in tow were most happily moving into the multi-million dollar palace which was constructed and fully furnished in record time.
As I write the new hospital site like the tsunami stadium is returning to jungle status.
So the failure to reduce crime seems to be just one of many failures that the PNM supporters condoned with their vote and continueto condone by their own failureto call their emperor to account. But forgive me, I forget 'We Like It So"

[peanut]

There yuh go again, why must I tell Manning to give Ramesh a copy of the report, do you hear me singing blah blah blah, Rowley this and Elias that? ... I doh think so.

Yuh mean Manning holding on to an incriminating report, come on man by now you should know Manning don't hold on to anything incriminating, ent he exposed the pictures of the Kensington Flats and the $10 mil London Bank acct?

You don’t fedup shyt and eat it, one minute you COP, one minute you UNC, one minute you PNM, one minute you Dead, one minute you Alive, you should really pack up and hide your head in shame because you no-longer credible.

Ah was fed up with the ****e in the UNC was feeding meh .. Man was ****e, ****e and more ****e!

Blight boy I eh go lie nah, when ah see Ramesh .. ah see ****e
When ah see Jack ah see ****e and ;
When ah see Bas, ah see, hear and smell ****e.

[TheLight]

Ah still waiting to hear how much Rowley paid the contractors for the landate project

[Somebody007]

This thread needs to close. I have a perfect question for UNCmites....justify to me the $41 billion dollars borrowed by Mr. Panday to build a couple schools, paving roads and a cowshed airport....and some police stations.....UNC borrow $41 billion from the IMF just to do a handful of things...all them projects that was under UNC construction aint even take $5 billion to complete so justify to me where the next $36 billion gone? :roll: :roll:

[lak]

This thread needs to close. I have a perfect question for UNCmites....justify to me the $41 billion dollars borrowed by Mr. Panday to build a couple schools, paving roads and a cowshed airport....and some police stations.....UNC borrow $41 billion from the IMF just to do a handful of things...all them projects that was under UNC construction aint even take $5 billion to complete so justify to me where the next $36 billion gone? :roll: :roll:

Can you provide the link please!! If you can't or won't then put a sock in it forever!!

[TheLight]

This thread needs to close. I have a perfect question for UNCmites....justify to me the $41 billion dollars borrowed by Mr. Panday to build a couple schools, paving roads and a cowshed airport....and some police stations.....UNC borrow $41 billion from the IMF just to do a handful of things...all them projects that was under UNC construction aint even take $5 billion to complete so justify to me where the next $36 billion gone? :roll: :roll:

Answer me question nah

how much money Rowley paid the contractors for the landate project?

[lak]

This thread needs to close. I have a perfect question for UNCmites....justify to me the $41 billion dollars borrowed by Mr. Panday to build a couple schools, paving roads and a cowshed airport....and some police stations.....UNC borrow $41 billion from the IMF just to do a handful of things...all them projects that was under UNC construction aint even take $5 billion to complete so justify to me where the next $36 billion gone? :roll: :roll:

Can you provide the link please!! If you can't or won't then put a sock in it forever!!


This thread gone completely dead after the brazen lie perpetrated by Nobody!!! The IMF has no record of these "ghost loans". Again please provide proof of at least 1, just one of these loans.

Gretzky and the Oilers would be so ashamed to know that the biggest liar in the world is a PNM sycophant!!

[Somebody007]

This thread needs to close. I have a perfect question for UNCmites....justify to me the $41 billion dollars borrowed by Mr. Panday to build a couple schools, paving roads and a cowshed airport....and some police stations.....UNC borrow $41 billion from the IMF just to do a handful of things...all them projects that was under UNC construction aint even take $5 billion to complete so justify to me where the next $36 billion gone? :roll: :roll:

Can you provide the link please!! If you can't or won't then put a sock in it forever!!


This thread gone completely dead after the brazen lie perpetrated by Nobody!!! The IMF has no record of these "ghost loans". Again please provide proof of at least 1, just one of these loans.

Gretzky and the Oilers would be so ashamed to know that the biggest liar in the world is a PNM sycophant!!


This information was taken from a hard copy written report which could be found at the UWI Library in the St. Augustine Campus. That is why I couldn't provide a website link....it was read from a hard copy document. You will not find this information on the current IMF webpage....as this document came out in 2001.

The name of the report is called The Economic Review for Trinidad and Tobago for the year 2000, written by a representative from the IMF. The report highlights (apart from economic performance) the amount of borrowing which had taken place over the years from 1990 to 2000 and of course, the UNC was in power at the time from 1996 to 2001 and all the borrowing which was going on in this period.

[lak]

This information was taken from a hard copy written report which could be found at the UWI Library in the St. Augustine Campus. That is why I couldn't provide a website link....it was read from a hard copy document. You will not find this information on the current IMF webpage....as this document came out in 2001.

The name of the report is called The Economic Review for Trinidad and Tobago for the year 2000, written by a representative from the IMF. The report highlights (apart from economic performance) the amount of borrowing which had taken place over the years from 1990 to 2000 and of course, the UNC was in power at the time from 1996 to 2001 and all the borrowing which was going on in this period.[/quote]

For your information the IMF archives has a copy of every single report that was published for the last 15 years. So no matter what you say you still lying. Read below, in the meantime I will request from the IMF the document you quoted.

Public Information Notice (PIN) No. 01/67
July 17, 2001 International Monetary Fund
700 19th Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20431 USA



IMF Concludes Article IV Consultation with Trinidad and Tobago
Public Information Notices (PINs) form part of the IMF's efforts to promote transparency of the IMF's views and analysis of economic developments and policies. With the consent of the country (or countries) concerned, PINs are issued after Executive Board discussions of Article IV consultations with member countries, of its surveillance of developments at the regional level, of post-program monitoring, and of ex post assessments of member countries with longer-term program engagements. PINs are also issued after Executive Board discussions of general policy matters, unless otherwise decided by the Executive Board in a particular case.


On July 6, 2001, the Executive Board of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) concluded the Article IV consultation with Trinidad and Tobago.1

Background

Trinidad and Tobago's economic performance improved markedly toward the end of the 1990s owing to sound policies, and significant new energy-related investments. The nonenergy sector has also been buoyant, reflecting a pickup in exports of manufactured goods, and strong demand in construction and services. Real GDP growth accelerated from 3-4 percent in the middle of the decade to 5 percent a year in 1998-99, and inflation and unemployment declined.

In late-1999, to signal their commitment to sound policies, the authorities requested that the Fund staff monitor their economic program covering the fiscal year beginning October. The program aimed at achieving adequate rates of economic growth and job creation, and maintaining macroeconomic stability through a strengthening of fiscal policy, credit restraint, and structural reforms, particularly privatization. Performance under the program was in line with the authorities' objectives. Output grew by just under 5 percent in calendar 2000, inflation remained at about 3½ percent, and the balance of payments strengthened. Unemployment fell slightly, but remained high (12½ percent at mid-2000). Indicators through the first quarter of 2001 suggest that economic performance continues to be favorable. Real GDP growth for the year as a whole is expected to dip slightly owing to the effects of a drought on agricultural output and a moderation in construction activity. Consumer prices are expected to rise by an average of 4 percent.

The central government balance shifted to a small surplus in FY 1999/2000. However, this turnaround stemmed largely from high energy related revenues that masked some weakness in the VAT, and increased spending on infrastructure projects. The performance of the public enterprises also weakened owing to a marked pickup in spending on capital projects that led to an increase in the public debt from 54 percent of GDP at end-1998 to about 60 percent at the end of 2000. During the year, the authorities established an interim revenue stabilization fund (RSF) aimed at setting aside a significant proportion of the windfall revenue from the energy sector. At the end of the fiscal year, TT$415 million (about 1 percent of GDP) had been set aside in an account at the central bank. Continued favorable energy prices in FY 2000/01 are expected to contribute to another small budget surplus, and a further transfer to the RSF, also equivalent to 1 percent of GDP.

Monetary policy is centered on liquidity management and exchange rate stability. Following a tightening of liquidity and interest rates in the first half of 2000 related to the government's temporary financing requirements, conditions eased in the second half of the year. Consequently, interbank rates, which had risen by 2 percentage points to about 12 percent at mid-year, fell back by about the same magnitude toward December. Liquidity conditions during 2001 have permitted a reduction in banks' reserve requirements from 21 percent to 18 percent in late-May. As a result, banks' lending rates have fallen by about 1-1½ percentage points in the year to date.

The external current account surplus rose to 5 percent of GDP in 2000, owing to higher export volumes and prices of petroleum and LNG that more than offset a surge in imports related to the public sector projects noted above. This outturn, together with proceeds of a eurobond issue, led to an increase in gross international reserves at end-December 2000 to US$1.4 billion, equivalent to 3.2 months of imports of goods and services and 48 percent of broad money. By end-April 2001 gross international reserves reached US$1.6 billion (3½ months of imports of goods and services and 50 percent of broad money)

The government's privatization program has quickened in recent months. The first tranche of shares in the state holding company that controls a number of government-owned entities was sold in February 2001, and additional amounts are expected to be offered for sale by the end of FY 2000/01. In June this year, the parliament approved legislation that aims at liberalizing, and fostering competition in the telecommunications sector. Also, agreement in principle has been reached for the sale of part of the operations of the sugar company, and private sector participation in the state water and broadcasting companies is under consideration. Recently, the government announced that it would consider divesting its holdings in the energy sector. In the financial sector, reforms focus on improving the effectiveness of open market operations, developing money and capital markets, and strengthening further the regulatory framework of the financial system.

Executive Board Assessment

Directors commended the Trinidad and Tobago authorities for their strong track record of economic performance in recent years, as evidenced by robust output growth, low inflation, and a strengthening of the external position. Further, unemployment has declined and there has been progress in most social indicators.

Directors noted that these achievements are due largely to sound policies, in particular to broadly balanced budgets, and effective liquidity management. In addition, though, over the past two years, the fiscal and external positions have benefited from high energy prices. Directors commended the authorities for setting aside a portion of the windfall energy-related revenues in an interim revenue stabilization fund (RSF). They urged that the fund be formalized promptly, based on clear, comprehensive rules, and full accountability.

Directors emphasized the necessity of a prudent fiscal policy in the interests of all aspects of economic performance. They considered that, to ensure fiscal soundness in the context of fluctuating energy prices, weaknesses in revenue policy and spending growth need to be tackled. Regarding revenues, they noted the progress in addressing the recent slow growth in nonenergy revenues, but suggested that these efforts be complemented by raising excise tax revenues, restructuring energy sector taxation, reducing tax exemptions, and strengthening tax administration. Regarding budgetary expenditures, Directors emphasized the importance of containing the growth of the civil service wage bill, while ensuring that the salaries of skilled staff remain competitive.

Directors noted that the state enterprise sector is a drain on the budget, which needs to be addressed as a priority, both in the interests of fiscal consolidation and of promoting efficiency and growth. They suggested that more stringent financial reporting requirements for enterprises, and ensuring strict control over their contracting of new debt, would be useful first steps toward improving their performance and accountability.

Directors viewed the authorities' monetary policy framework, which centers on liquidity management and exchange rate stability, as appropriate. They took note of the initiatives being undertaken by the central bank to ensure an adequate supply of government paper for open market operations, and to promote a wider participation of institutions in these operations. They welcomed the recent reduction in banks' reserve requirements, as an initial step in reducing the unevenness of regulations across financial institutions.

Directors considered that the authorities' policies had contributed to exchange rate stability, without adversely affecting competitiveness. Maintaining this balance over the medium term would require the continuation of macroeconomic policies to contain inflation, and structural reforms to raise efficiency.

With respect to the direction of structural reforms, Directors commended the authorities' efforts to reduce—and set clear criteria for—the government's involvement in the economy. They considered that the privatization program should go forward as quickly as possible. They welcomed the proposals to include the state energy companies in the list of government assets that could be offered for sale, and noted the authorities' intention to move ahead with the restructuring of the sugar sector. Directors commented that the strength of recent performance primarily reflected developments in the energy sector. It was therefore appropriate that economic policy should facilitate the flow of additional resources to this sector. At the same time, Directors supported the authorities' desire not to become over-dependent on the energy sector, and to diversify the economy accordingly. In this regard, they were pleased to note the continuing robustness of the manufacturing and service sectors.

Directors mentioned Trinidad and Tobago's growing importance as a regional financial center, and welcomed the steps to keep supervision of the financial system in line with international standards, particularly in the areas of cross border activity, the consolidated supervision of financial groups, and the regulation of nonbanks.

Directors remarked on the generally good quality of statistics but recommended that the authorities implement promptly the recommendations of the Fund's Statistics Department, especially in the area of national accounts, prices, and the finances of the state enterprises.

Directors welcomed the authorities' intention to enter into a new staff-monitored program.


Trinidad and Tobago: Selected Economic Indicators

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1996 1997 1998 1999 2000

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Real economy
Real GDP (percentage change) 3.9 3.5 5.6 5.1 4.8
Non-oil GDP 4.6 4.9 6.0 4.2 5.2
Unemployment rate (in percent) 16.3 15.0 13.5 13.1 12.5
Consumer prices (percentage change, end of period) 4.3 3.5 5.6 3.4 5.6

Public finance (in percent of GDP) 1/
Central government overall balance -0.5 0.1 -1.8 -0.6 0.2
Central government current balance 1.2 1.0 0.3 0.0 2.7
Revenue and grants 27.6 27.3 25.2 24.9 25.9
Expenditure and net lending 28.0 27.2 27.0 25.5 25.7

Money and credit 2/
Net foreign assets 9.2 5.8 3.3 2.2 12.2
Net domestic assets 10.2 17.5 -7.7 8.9 6.1
Public sector -1.4 6.8 -4.7 -1.6 -9.4
Private sector 3.6 16.7 2.9 12.3 9.4
Liabilities to the private sector 19.4 23.3 -4.4 11.2 18.3
Average prime lending rate 15.5 15.0 17.5 17.3 16.5
Average deposit rate 6.4 5.3 5.8 6.9 6.0

External sector 3/
Trade balance 6.0 -8.4 -12.2 0.9 8.6
Current account balance 1.2 -9.9 -10.6 0.5 4.9
Gross official reserves (US$ million) 546 706 783 945 1386
Reserve cover (months of imports of GNFS) 1.8 2.3 2.7 2.5 3.2
External public debt (end-of-period) 33.7 26.8 23.9 23.0 21.8
Real effective exchange rate index
(1990 = 100) percentage change -0.9 4.9 1.8 4.8 8.1


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Sources: Data supplied by the authorities, and IMF staff estimates
1/ The central government switched to an October 1-September 30 fiscal year in 1998.
2/ Annual percentage change in relation to previous year's liabilities to private sector.
3/ In percent of GDP, unless indicated otherwise.

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[sam48]

How much money did Rowley pay Elias for the Landate project.
We will never know, unless Rowley try to move the "father of the nation " and his Queen from the palace.

[TheLight]

How much money did Rowley pay Elias for the Landate project.
We will never know, unless Rowley try to move the "father of the nation " and his Queen from the palace.

Nah, the amount is in the commission of inquiry report
And if you know the amount and the arrangement of the contract then you will understand why they had to thief material from the hospital

[sam48]

The light,
So that was the unwritten clause in the contract then.
A PNM teef to PNM teef word of mouth teefs agreement to teef.
Landate completed and the Hospital site going back to la trois.
Poor hapless Tobagonians. Orville London say "it is an embarrassment"
I say worse PNM corruption is no news to me,but my heart goes out to the people of the sister isle who are waiting for the new hospital that was being built with taxpayers money. I sympathise with them for voting for PNM and still getting the ****ty end of the stick from PNM crooks.

[TheLight]

The light,
So that was the unwritten clause in the contract then.
A PNM teef to PNM teef word of mouth teefs agreement to teef.
Landate completed and the Hospital site going back to la trois.
Poor hapless Tobagonians. Orville London say "it is an embarrassment"
I say worse PNM corruption is no news to me,but my heart goes out to the people of the sister isle who are waiting for the new hospital that was being built with taxpayers money. I sympathise with them for voting for PNM and still getting the !@#$ end of the stick from PNM crooks.

Let me give you a little hint what Rowley told the Commissioners
Here goes,
The Landate contract was 1.7 million; he paid Elias $200,000 and agrees to pay the rest whenever he has money,

The Commissioners asked him if that is the way contractors do business, his answer was No.

[sam48]

The light,
I would have been able to console myself if the hospital was also built, but it is a difficult pill to swallow.
PNMites always attacking the UNC about the airport and corruption, but at least the country still have an airport to show at the end of the day.
Rowley project finish. materials and labor missing from the hospital site and the hospital building hang up cyah finish and cost overruns in the hundreds of millions.
That means Rowley project finish build Elias finish get paid for it (cost overruns) and the sick people of Tobago get left out.
Which PNMite can defend that corruption? Start spinning fellas.

[trinisuckz]

Many of you dont know the REAL half of the story and what went on with the Main contractor!

let just say there were many "funny" systems during tendering stages to finishing ( or not finishing ) as the case maybe!

[deathwinger]

...voting for PNM and still getting the !@#$ end of the stick from PNM crooks.

He who votes PNM shall feel the mighty end of the ugly stick. :lol: :lol:

Once those 15 constituencies that were not voted by the PNM are a paradise, I happy. Dem need to leave. :D

[sam48]

...voting for PNM and still getting the !@#$ end of the stick from PNM crooks.

He who votes PNM shall feel the mighty end of the ugly stick. :lol: :lol:

Once those 15 constituencies that were not voted by the PNM are a paradise, I happy. Dem need to leave. :D


I am mystified, please clarify?
What does this have to do with the Tobago hospital?

[TheLight]

They say thief from thief make god laugh, well ah hear bandits put down ah wuk on Elias

by the way Rowley in jail yet?

[Double Trouble]

It took over 3 years but the integrity just cleared Rowley. What a country!

[vaio]

...^^^and he is suing for compensation... :ugeek:

[snowbird]

And for those of us who still don't know? What is the status of the 'actual' hospital? Is it now completed?

[Double Trouble]

And for those of us who still don't know? What is the status of the 'actual' hospital? Is it now completed?

snow,

Ah tink they will start the actual building sometime before 2020. In the mean time, Rowley has some townhouses for sale.

[Double Trouble]

...^^^and he is suing for compensation... :ugeek:

vaio,

You can't help but admire dem PNM ninisters because they have a way of getting away with boldfaced thievery. Look at how Manning drawing 2 fat salaries legally. The citizens only vote for one Mannin and all dem other Mannings living free off the hog. Rowley is going to get millions fuh he troubles while Sharma would be lucky to recoup his legal fees.

[Somebody007]

They say thief from thief make god laugh, well ah hear bandits put down ah wuk on Elias

by the way Rowley in jail yet?


Look what yuh own people write for you read above this quote.....the integrity commission has cleared him and now, he is going to sue because his reputation has been damaged. So it aint going to have any jail time for Rowley at all.

[TheLight]

That integrity commission has no integrity, the entire country know material from the hospital went to Rowley landate project…

[sam48]

I realised a long time ago that nothing but nothing in TnT is immune from PNM political interference and that does not exempt the integrity commission, check and see how many PNMites on that commisson.
The country still waiting on the police to tell them who authorised the dropping of charges and release from jail of the Bajan fishermen who were charged for fishing illegally in TnT waters.
The DPP say is not he, the police say is a PNM govt minister but refuse to call his name.
That is the basis of criminal activity in TnT.
If the priest could play........

[dtk]

I was in tobago two weeks ago and it really is a shame what the government is handing out to Tobagonians. The government pissing on their backs and calling it rain. The tobago hospital is halted. Its a dead, blackened skeletal monument standing on a hill. Meanwhile the people of tobago have no choice but to go to the dilapidated first aid building in scareborough which is being touted as a hospital. The people of tobago deserve so much better. The PNM government just makes me so very angry when i think of how inept they are....and this is coming from a fella who grew up in a PNM household.

[JediKnight]

The government pissing on their backs and calling it rain. The people of tobago deserve so much better. The PNM government just makes me so very angry when i think of how inept they are....and this is coming from a fella who grew up in a PNM household.

Who dey vote for in November? It good for dem. Dey deserve everything dey get. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[slick]

The government pissing on their backs and calling it rain. The people of tobago deserve so much better. The PNM government just makes me so very angry when i think of how inept they are....and this is coming from a fella who grew up in a PNM household.

Who dey vote for in November? It good for dem. Dey deserve everything dey get. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Exactly. Reap what you sew. The residents of Picton surely are.

[sam48]

Rowley,Manning and the clowns in the "integrity"commission have now added insult to injury. It is now robbery,with violence and abuse to the intelligence of the citizens.
Too coincedental for belief, the Rowleys' Landate two million dollars housing development project began at exactly the same time as construction of the Tobago hospital. Rowley hired the same contactor for his project and paid him 200,000.
with an IOU to pay on a never never plan.Rowley project is complete and the start of construction of the hospital was a smokescreen designed to cover the illegal transfer of material and labor paid for by taxpayers, from one project to the other resulting in cost overruns for the hospital project and completion in record time of the Landate project. Investigations proved that the transfer of materials and labor is a fact.
Now the so called integrity comission would have us believe that poor Rowley is an innocent man.
I think the integrity commission is without integrity and should be impeached and sent packing for trying to insult the intelligence of the people.
It seems that Rowley is intent on following his leader and feathering his nest too.

[vaio]

The government pissing on their backs and calling it rain. The people of tobago deserve so much better. The PNM government just makes me so very angry when i think of how inept they are....and this is coming from a fella who grew up in a PNM household.

Who dey vote for in November? It good for dem. Dey deserve everything dey get. :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: ...........sigh and they will continue to vote PNM.....steups

[sam48]

The government pissing on their backs and calling it rain. The people of tobago deserve so much better. The PNM government just makes me so very angry when i think of how inept they are....and this is coming from a fella who grew up in a PNM household.

Who dey vote for in November? It good for dem. Dey deserve everything dey get. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/qu
:lol: :lol: ...........sigh and they will continue to vote PNM.....steups


They will say "We like it soooo" (accompanied by vulgar contortions of their lower body referred to in the local dialect as "wineing")

[serenity]

I believe the issues bet NIPDEC and the contractors are still in contention and until it is sorted by the courts or arbitration, it is unlikely that work can/will continue. So we have to wait until then. Its not fair, but its the proper thing to do in the circumstances.

[vaio]

according to the Minister...the hospital shld finish by August 2009.. :?

[raider]

this government couldn't organise a one car parade.

[Double Trouble]

according to the Minister...the hospital shld finish by August 2009.. :?

vaio,

So, that's another 21 months or more? Did this Minister give an update on the costs so far?

[TheLight]

So Rowley pay out the contractors for landate or he waiting untill the hospital project start back?

[TheLight]

So Manning dropped the charges against Rowley and then buy his private jet so Rowley can’t say anything, Valley got kicked because he opposed the purchase of the jet and rest of little boys & girls around Manning not saying a damn thing.

[Slider]

I don't think you all understand that the PNM does not like Rowley. We do not like him at all.

We wanted to get rid of him and Beckles in the last election.

We started with Valley and Hart but that started up roar and we thought it best to keep it at that.

But with the benefit of having 26 seats (thank you COP for helping us to get that wide margin) we will be able to weed out Keith and Penelope in the next election. So when you UNC-ers quarrel about Rowley we are also happy.

[TheLight]

I don't think you all understand that the PNM does not like Rowley. We do not like him at all.

We wanted to get rid of him and Beckles in the last election.

We started with Valley and Hart but that started up roar and we thought it best to keep it at that.

But with the benefit of having 26 seats (thank you COP for helping us to get that wide margin) we will be able to weed out Keith and Penelope in the next election. So when you UNC-ers quarrel about Rowley we are also happy.


Nah, that is poppycock, allyuh had a chance to get rid of him by letting the Dpp charge him for teefing but allyuh didn’t because he have files on all the PNM big thieves

[JediKnight]

The project stop pending ah feasibility study.... would it be more feasible to by a second jet or continue the hospital :lol:

[Slider]

Light(headed),

Keith has no trump cards. His allies are Valley, Penelope and Hart. Valley and Hart gone and Penny is the deputy speaker (technically voiceless LOL).

We have virtually weakened internal opposition from Rowley et al. Rowley was in the election because we campaigned using housing in the last election so it would have looked bad not to include him though we wanted him out.

Doh worry Neil Parsanlal will be moving into the Deputy position just now at the expense of Keith.

[skl]

Light(headed),

Keith has no trump cards. His allies are Valley, Penelope and Hart. Valley and Hart gone and Penny is the deputy speaker (technically voiceless LOL).

We have virtually weakened internal opposition from Rowley et al. Rowley was in the election because we campaigned using housing in the last election so it would have looked bad not to include him though we wanted him out.

Doh worry Neil Parsanlal will be moving into the Deputy position just now at the expense of Keith.

aye KBB you hear that ? Slider saying your boy Keith gone !

[Slider]

Why you have to go and try to call King's name?

Boy, you sure have a lot to understand about politics.

[skl]

Why you have to go and try to call King's name?

Boy, you sure have a lot to understand about politics.

LOL you jumping in thing YOU dont understand. King was telling us during the election that Rowley was Manning's chosen successor.

How does that square with what you saying ? :mrgreen:

[Slider]

Rowley is not a successor. Look at the ones in the spotlight now. Rowley's days are over and fading away.

The new kid on the block is NEIL PARSANLAL !!! !YAY!

[skl]

Rowley is not a successor. Look at the ones in the spotlight now. Rowley's days are over and fading away.

The new kid on the block is NEIL PARSANLAL !!! !YAY!

that's why I asking KBB how he feel about that. :mrgreen:

[TheLight]

I saw TV6 did a little story on the hospital, strange they didn’t do it for the election

[Roo]

Hospital done yet? I'm waiting to get a job there so I can go dong de island and sip froo froo drinks and watch hummingbirds all day long at Pigeon Point. This delay is seriously ruining my future... :evil:

[TheLight]

Hospital done yet? I'm waiting to get a job there so I can go dong de island and sip froo froo drinks and watch hummingbirds all day long at Pigeon Point. This delay is seriously ruining my future... :evil:

Elias said it will cost 1 billion to complete

[raider]

they made a movie about the tobago hospital saga........it's called 'never ending story'.

[Solachica]

An insider in the TRHA said tht the plans for the hospital are over 20 yrs old. They wanted to build a 50 bed hospital and the current hospital is 100 beds. The plan layout from long ago had the Kitchen near the Mortuary.
A consulting firm had advised tht the hospital under construction be condemned and a new one started becos it wud save money doing so.
The hospital tht is being built right now is way less than 50% completed as they are saying. Currently a section in the new construction is collapsing and this is without anything inside. So with the weight of beds, equipment , roof etc it may just cave in.
The radiology room being built was also not lined with lead. :roll:

[skl]

http://newsday.co.tt/news/0,76841.html


Tobago will move one step closer to the end of one of its most “frustrating developmental episodes” when the construction of the new Scarborough Hospital resumes on June 1.

Minister of Health Jerry Narace, along with THA Chief Secretary Orville London, UdeCOTT Chairman Calder Hart and a number of key health officials in Tobago toured the desolate Signal Hill site where the announcement was made on Friday.

The China Railway Construction Corporation Limited (CRCC) has been given the nod to complete the beleaguered project in some 18 months to two years. According to Hart, the CRCC was the lowest bidder and its proposal to turnover a fully operational hospital has been accepted and forwarded to Minister Narace for his response.

A 14-member delegation from the CRCC met with THA officials one month ago to discuss the project and was reportedly given the nod over Sunway Construction (Caribbean) Limited of Malaysia and Beijing Luijian Corporation of China.

Hart assured that because of modifications to the existing strategy of design, the project will be completed within time and budget this time around.

“The companies that bid on this project realised that they had to construct within a time frame, that the budget was fixed and that obviously from our standpoint there will be no break or any work stops associated with any of the issues that affected the project to this point,” Hart said.

He also sought to give the assurance that despite concerns raised the new hospital will be able to withstand any environmental challenges and that the contractors would have to rectify defects on the existing structure to “not only meet the needs and aspirations of Tobago but obviously meet the most modern medical standards.”

The CRCC will also be responsible for equipping the new hospital when it is completed. An excited THA Chief Secretary, Orville London said that the proposed ideas for turning “a 1998 hospital into a 2008 hospital made the wait worthwhile.”

So far over TT$100 million have been spend on the project which was suspended for two years after being approximately 55 percent completed.

The site for the construction of the hospital was turned over in 2003 and in August 2005, six months after the project should have been completed, contractors NH International requested that the project managers (NIPDEC) be detached from the contract resulting in the matter going before an arbitration tribunal.

[Solachica]

An insider in the TRHA said tht the plans for the hospital are over 20 yrs old. They wanted to build a 50 bed hospital and the current hospital is 100 beds. The plan layout from long ago had the Kitchen near the Mortuary.
A consulting firm had advised tht the hospital under construction be condemned and a new one started becos it wud save money doing so.
The hospital tht is being built right now is way less than 50% completed as they are saying. Currently a section in the new construction is collapsing and this is without anything inside. So with the weight of beds, equipment , roof etc it may just cave in.
The radiology room being built was also not lined with lead. :roll:


Hart assured that because of modifications to the existing strategy of design, the project will be completed within time and budget this time around.

He also sought to give the assurance that despite concerns raised the new hospital will be able to withstand any environmental challenges and that the contractors would have to rectify defects on the existing structure to “not only meet the needs and aspirations of Tobago but obviously meet the most modern medical standards.”

So far over TT$100 million have been spend on the project which was suspended for two years after being approximately 55 percent completed.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[snowbird]

From what is reported sounds like the Government is just sick and tired of people complaining about this unfinished project so now they just going to spend 'good money after bad' to end the complaining. :roll:

[Roo]

The radiology room being built was also not lined with lead. :roll:

Was it on the 2nd floor? Hahhahahaha.....errrr....ok, so no one gets that. *sigh*
What about the magnetic shielding for the MRI room?

[Double Trouble]

So, will there be a public inquiry into this fiasco? Will there be a forensic investigation, possibly leading to criminal charges? Or, will it be business as usual, with PNM Ministers and PNM contractors getting away with bold-faced thievery?

[snowbird]

How many times the PNM will squander the taxpayer’s money and getaway with it

We had the Caroni Racing Complex 100 million dollars
Then project pride 100 million dollars
Then LABIDCO 300 million dollars
The Lara stadium 1 billion
The blimps 50 million
The Tobago hospital 500 million dollars


Is time to make pnm pay!

Some more corruption to ponder on!

2002 – 2005,
$1 billion corruption in CEPEP
$70 million in NEDCO
$100 million in National Housing Authority refurbishment
$1 billion unaccounted for by National Housing Authority
$2 billion in red by Water And Sewage Authority
$500 million Health Sector corruption scandal

The PNM Government history of corruption
1960 Lock Joint scandal;
1970 John O’Halloran and Francis Prevatt;
1980 $1 billion cost overrun and corruption in the Twin Towers, Hall of Justice and Eric Williams Sciences Complex.
1990 BWIA with the Ed Acker scandal,
Powergen,

So tell meh dis nah, all dis goin on in T&T all dese years, an allyuh still dong dey payin taxes?
An allyuh sayin de Government incompetent an inept?

Sugar Aloes sing it right oui...... Look in de Mirror

[TheLight]

I Still want to know why some big boys from the pnm not in jail for this project

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news7.html

Sunday 20th April, 2008

A big waste! Money down the drain.

That’s how most Tobagonians are describing the millions of dollars already spent on the new Scarborough Regional Hospital.

And despite assurances last week by Health Minister Jerry Narace, after touring the site of the incomplete structure, that they will have a new hospital in two years, residents are not convinced.

In fact, they are more skeptical about the June 1 date set for the project to be restarted.

China Railway Construction Co has put in a bid for the new contract, which will be presented soon to Cabinet.

Tobagonians believe Government and the Tobago House of Assembly (THA), especially, are not “levelling” with them.

“We don’t think we are being told the truth. They are keeping things from us,” an irate civil servant, who asked not to be named, said.

“The foundation is not strong. We heard it is on a fault line,” a concerned THA worker added.

“All we want them to do is scrap the project and build the hospital in another area. People here are scared there will be a safety risk,” a health worker said.

Narace had said in Parliament, two months ago, that the project—which has been embroiled in a plethora of issues relating to basic design flaw, construction delays, significantly high cost overruns and now legal arbitration—was set to restart.

He fell into hot water with the Opposition when he said that completion of the hospital was “essentially a renovation project,” but could not put a figure to the works that needed to be done.

Several of the constructed elements have deteriorated and, most importantly, questions have been raised about the quality of work done by NHIC (NH International Caribbean Ltd), the minister had said in Parliament.

He had also indicated that the project—originally priced at $136 million and awarded to NH in 2004—was only 55 per cent completed, and that $117 million had already been spent.

Delivery date for the completed hospital was April, 2005.
However, work was suspended in September, 2005, with NH taking legal action later.

It was learnt that the original cost of the project ballooned to more than $400 million, because of a 1,000-plus design alterations.

Lay charges!

Sharing the views of the Tobago people is former Joint Select Committee chairman, former Independent Senator Mary King, who also feels money spent on the new facility was a big waste.

She strongly feels that criminal charges should be laid against those culpable.

Seated in her St Augustine office on Friday, King, an economist, also stressed the need for a commission of enquiry into the company that was awarded the soil-testing contract and a progress report to be laid in Parliament by Narace to account to the people.

“If you don’t fix the problems of the past, you are going to meet them in the future,” she said.

Two years ago, a Joint Select Committee (JSC) team, chaired by King, got permission to view the hospital, after they were asked to look into the operations of the Tobago Regional Health Authority.

King said after the tour they realised that strategic planning and lack of monitoring were two areas lacking in the project, which led to its closure.

She threw the blame squarely on the shoulders of Cabinet.

“We seem to be spending a lot of money on megaprojects which benefit the elite in society. When you look behind the contracts you come to the conclusion there is widespread corruption. This is how it looks...We will take what they give us and shut up.”

Comparing Hong Kong and the Mexican government Websites to T&T’s, King said their contracts were out for bid in the public domain.

She said T&T was not transparent and often failed to account to the population.

With Joint Select Committees being reduced from three to two, King said the public would see “less transparency and accountability at the Parliamentary level.”

The country was not operating under good governance structure, she contended.

King said the company hired to do soil testing, whose named remained a secret to the JSC, gave an incorrect analysis because of lack of experts, oversight and monitoring.

“Have we taken any recourse to get our money back?” she asked,

She felt criminal charges should be laid for incompetence, because the soil was not capable of holding such a structure.

“We need to find out if this company was qualified and why did they get the contract.”

King felt an injustice had been done to the people of T&T “because of the money wasted.” Charges should be laid, she said, before the statute of limitations runs out.

King believes given the high cost overruns, more than $117 million has already been spent on the project.

“Let us test Narace. Let us see what we are going to get in the end and how much it is going to cost,” King said.

She said the project should have been put in the hands of the THA.

King appealed to the Government to bring back the Procurement Bill which would monitor all government contracts.

Demolish it

Meanwhile, Leader of the Democratic Action Congress (DAC) Hochoy Charles feels the millions spent was a waste of taxpayers dollars and suggested a total demolition of the facility.

Charles, a former chief secretary of the THA, said it made no sense to renovate the unfinished health institution, which he deemed “a disaster zone”, because of its poor workmanship.

“How can you renovate a building when it’s not completed?” Charles asked.

Charles felt the hospital was laced with more corruption and scandal than the Piarco International Airport.

Tobago’s Minority Leader Ashworth Jack said he had lost all faith in the PNM due to their wanton spending and lack of action.

“Millions have been wasted on this project because of tardiness and gross incompetence while the sick and seriously injured still have to transported to Trinidad for medical attention,” Jack said.

With THA elections due January 2009, Jack contended the Government was moving apace to resume work only to muster votes.

It’s shameless

Former Tobago West MP Pamela Nicholson also expressed similar sentiments, saying if she had her way the hospital would have been bulldozed.

“The hospital should go.”

Nicholson said Narace’s comment about renovation works “was not clear” and a feasibility study was needed before work was restarted.

“We see this as a shameless scenario. The Government should hide their faces in shame because they are to be blamed. Things got out of hand.”

‘Biggest con job’

Defeated Congress of the People (COP) Tobago West candidate Johnathan Stone said the hospital was the biggest joke perpetrated on the people by the PNM.

“The amount of concrete poured into the hospital could have paved half of Tobago. It’s the biggest con job ever.”

—reporting by Shaliza Hassanali

[ISME]

How many times the PNM will squander the taxpayer’s money and getaway with it

We had the Caroni Racing Complex 100 million dollars
Then project pride 100 million dollars
Then LABIDCO 300 million dollars
The Lara stadium 1 billion
The blimps 50 million
The Tobago hospital 500 million dollars


Is time to make pnm pay!

Some more corruption to ponder on!

2002 – 2005,
$1 billion corruption in CEPEP
$70 million in NEDCO
$100 million in National Housing Authority refurbishment
$1 billion unaccounted for by National Housing Authority
$2 billion in red by Water And Sewage Authority
$500 million Health Sector corruption scandal

The PNM Government history of corruption
1960 Lock Joint scandal;
1970 John O’Halloran and Francis Prevatt;
1980 $1 billion cost overrun and corruption in the Twin Towers, Hall of Justice and Eric Williams Sciences Complex.
1990 BWIA with the Ed Acker scandal,
Powergen,

So tell meh dis nah, all dis goin on in T&T all dese years, an allyuh still dong dey payin taxes?
An allyuh sayin de Government incompetent an inept?

Sugar Aloes sing it right oui...... Look in de Mirror

Rivers would love this list!

Boy dem UNC people could thief and dey unpatriotic too. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Slider]

Rowley is not a successor. Look at the ones in the spotlight now. Rowley's days are over and fading away.

The new kid on the block is NEIL PARSANLAL !!! !YAY!

that's why I asking KBB how he feel about that. :mrgreen:



I was telling you all this so long now. You all wait until you heard it on the news this evening to believe. What a bunch of doubting Thomas'.

All that I tell you all are the truth from my political insight

[TheLight]

If Rowley only open his mouth, Manning police will drop charge on him so-fast he wont know what hit him

[Slider]

Rowley is fading like a candle in the wind.

He has nothing on our honourable political leader. Our honourable political leader is an excellent politician

[TheLight]

Sunday 20th April, 2008

Delivery date for the completed hospital was April, 2005.


http://www.guardian.co.tt/news7.html

So the hospital completed yet?

[guyguy]

Rowley is fading like a candle in the wind.

He has nothing on our honourable political leader. Our honourable political leader is an excellent politicianSlider,
Ah rell like you oui. You does make me laff everyday yuh orn dis Forum. Doh even tink of leaving eh. rofl rofl rofl

[Double Trouble]

Rowley is fading like a candle in the wind.

He has nothing on our honourable political leader. Our honourable political leader is an excellent politician

Slider,

What a difference two years make eh? Rowley is no longer on the outside looking in and Manning is no longer honourable.

[Solachica]

I think tht location is bad. Its traffic jam and bad driving going up tht road if you want to get to fort george. When I was driving up there was a challenge becos sometimes so many people on road and so many cars yuh just have no way to move and everything is standstill. Worse yet if the small carpark in the Fort full then you can't go up and barely have room to reverse.

[Slider]

Guy, DT: In two years things have certainly changed. Manning has started running with weights and Rowley looks like Usain Bolt coming around the bend

[Sly1]

No but the Money done......gone

[atma]

Dem trying to do it like the Caroni Racing Complex fiasco.For those who don't know the PNM gov't stopped it in 1981 after spending $250 million and all dey had was a few pylons.

[Double Trouble]

Dem trying to do it like the Caroni Racing Complex fiasco.For those who don't know the PNM gov't stopped it in 1981 after spending $250 million and all dey had was a few pylons.

YEP! That was under Eric Williams' watch! Man, them PNM boys knew how to thief and get away with it! So, here we are 29 years later and dem PNM boys still have that voracious appetite for kick back money.

[guyguy]

Guy, DT: In two years things have certainly changed. Manning has started running with weights and Rowley looks like Usain Bolt coming around the bendroflroflrofl

[TheLight]

Narace promises Scarborough Hospital in 2011
Elizabeth Williams Tobago Bureau
Thursday, April 29th 2010

After a failed delivery in 2005, Health Minister Jerry Narace is promising that the Scarborough Hospital will be ready in April next year.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/nart?id=161645345


But they build the palace and the church fass, fass

[bigzack]

But they build the palace and the church fass, fass

They did not get held up in litigation like the Twobago Hospital.

[Redman]

They did not get held up in litigation like the Twobago Hospital.

Its a matter of priorities

Later

[Double Trouble]

Guy, DT: In two years things have certainly changed. Manning has started running with weights and Rowley looks like Usain Bolt coming around the bend

Slider,

It sure looks like Rowley put those same weights around Manning's neck and pushed him in the river.

[bigzack]

Ah hah tuh bring up this wun.

Back then the LIEght was the choir master.

Oh gorsh that man did singing fuh he supper.

Now he could wash everything down with nuff coke.