View Full Version : Did the COP get more votes than the UNC?
jacques
11-06-2007, 07:37 AM
We know the COP got no seats but...
This article from Newsday says PNM 236,420 - COP 119,007 - UNC 103,207
Did the COP get more votes than the UNC?
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EBC: 56 percent voter turnout
Tuesday, November 6 2007
THE ELECTIONS and Boundaries Commission (EBC ) said last night that preliminary results indicate the voter turnout was lower than 2002’s General Election.
In a very preliminary count, EBC communications manager Leslie Fitzpatrick said that while some outstanding ballots were still being counted at about 11.30 last night, it seemed that there was a 56 percent turnout of voters.
“If this holds then it is actually lower than the 2002 figure which stands at 69.64 percent,” Fitzpatrick added.
In 2002, some 609,571 people had cast their votes from a Revised Voters List of eligible voters of 875,260. The turn out for the two previous elections in 2000 and 2001 were also higher with 63.05 and 66.13 percent respectively.
Preliminary checks with the EBC also revealed that the People’s National Movement had up to 11 pm copped some 236, 420 voters, while the UNC Alliance received 103,247 votes and the Congress of the People had pulled in 119, 007.
Earlier, last night Fitzpatrick said that 990,352 people were eligible to vote according to the Revised List, and he admitted that several people had complained about their names not appearing on the voters list.
He said people had the responsibilty to themselves to check the list for their names, but what he had found yesterday was that several people who had left the country “temporarily,” or on “long vacations,” had failed to check for their names upon their return.
“I met quite a few of these people in the Western area,” he said, “who had complained about this. problem.”
Somebody007
11-06-2007, 07:45 AM
Overall, I believed COP did get more votes than the UNC and this is strong showing for a new party like the COP. I believe if the COP stick around for a while, they will start to pick up in the long run. For now, they are still a new party.
cm103
11-06-2007, 07:46 AM
Anywhere have a final vote count by seat or we need to wait for the papers tomorrow?
Somebody007
11-06-2007, 07:46 AM
If you also notice, COP has made inroads into UNC areas and Bas Panday and alot of UNC candidates with the exception of people like Kamla Persad Bissessar and Caroni, UNC seats have become somewhat 'marignal' now.
COP as done extremely well in the polls for a party that is only a year a two months...to have gained so many votes from every constituency is sayin that the ppl are fed up and they want change...it was not enough though to get any seats....but the number of votes cannot be ignored by the UNC and PNM
snowbird
11-06-2007, 07:51 AM
If you also notice, COP has made inroads into UNC areas and Bad Panday and alot of UNC candidates with the exception of people like Kamla Persad Bissessar and Caroni, UNC seats have become somewhat 'marignal' now.
Then in that respect, the COP ran a successful campaign if they were able to make inroads in the heart of UNC country.
Somebody007
11-06-2007, 07:55 AM
If you also notice, COP has made inroads into UNC areas and Bas Panday and alot of UNC candidates with the exception of people like Kamla Persad Bissessar and Caroni, UNC seats have become somewhat 'marignal' now.
Then in that respect, the COP ran a successful campaign if they were able to make inroads in the heart of UNC country.
Yes the campaign would be successful for a newcomer in politics. Nobody would have expected the COP to win the election....but at the same time, I didn't expect the COP to get so many votes....Take a look at the election results....look at seats in Central in particular and Tabaquite.....Ramesh for example didn't win his seat by no convincing margin....even Bas Panday didn't win his seat by a clear majority either.
so what were the results for Bas' seat?
Somebody007
11-06-2007, 08:07 AM
so what were the results for Bas' seat?
can't tell you offhand but one thing though, Panday did not win by no large margin...PNM and COP split down there as well as Couva South.
I have to say this one for Nicole Dyer...she fought well and got at least 5,000 votes...against Browne..well done Nicole, well done... (hmmm..we need a clapping smiley) :!:
Parsifal
11-06-2007, 08:20 AM
I have to say this one for Nicole Dyer...she fought well and got at least 5,000 votes...against Browne..well done Nicole, well done... (hmmm..we need a clapping smiley) :!:
She got back the NAR vote of 1991....proving again what I have said the COP is.
If the NAR had remained on the landscape instead of retreating and disappearing then the country would have been a bit different IMHO.....but they were so tainted with the coup and the economic policies that they pursued.
hmmm one group of people noticably absent from this thread.
Solachica
11-06-2007, 11:47 AM
Wow! Thts impressive if those figures are correct.
I have to say this one for Nicole Dyer...she fought well and got at least 5,000 votes...against Browne..well done Nicole, well done... (hmmm..we need a clapping smiley) :!:
She got back the NAR vote of 1991....proving again what I have said the COP is.
If the NAR had remained on the landscape instead of retreating and disappearing then the country would have been a bit different IMHO.....but they were so tainted with the coup and the economic policies that they pursued.
In fact she had a lot of following from the youth...most of whom voted for the first time and were pretty much fed up of Valley and PNM..
Maccogirl
11-06-2007, 12:19 PM
Nope we not absent we giving you a thread for good measure :lol: cant slam you all the time now can we :lol:
Nope we not absent we giving you a thread for good measure :lol: cant slam you all the time now can we :lol:
thanx...you're a good sport... ;) :?
Maccogirl
11-06-2007, 12:37 PM
Ok before all yuh gloat check the figures 458,634 is what they say voted now that is very low as compared to other years, so what happened people did not vote???
Its lower than 2001 poll so what happened why did people not come out to vote????
Ok before all yuh gloat check the figures 458,634 is what they say voted now that is very low as compared to other years, so what happened people did not vote???
Its lower than 2001 poll so what happened why did people not come out to vote????
like all that unc entertainment did not encourage them enough or what?....
Maccogirl
11-06-2007, 12:50 PM
You would say that of course but if the COP had all this support as some of you said why did they not come out to vote to ensure a COP win, or that COP wipe out the UNCA once and for all.
You would say that of course but if the COP had all this support as some of you said why did they not come out to vote to ensure a COP win, or that COP wipe out the UNCA once and for all.
i did not expect them to get any seat...and i never for one moment said that they cld have won the election....
But yuh mean all that money UNC spent and was not able to encourage the ppl to vote for them...and ALL THAT BEGGING Bas did...not even that moved the ppl.....oh my!!! the citizens of T&T and horrible ppl for not listening!!!
Sumana
11-06-2007, 01:32 PM
^ I hope you feeling RAEL good today now that PNM back in power
^ I hope you feeling RAEL good today now that PNM back in power
lemme put it to you simple: i feelin better today than i did in 2001 when RLM and Bas screw the heck outta we!!!!
Sumana
11-06-2007, 01:38 PM
Well when you start getting screwed with food prices, crime, rape, kidnapping, robbery, murder, don't let me hear you complain since you feeling REAL GOOD
Well when you start getting screwed with food prices, crime, rape, kidnapping, robbery, murder, don't let me hear you complain since you feeling REAL GOOD
hun, don't worry yuh lil head nah!!! we go live like we livin for the past 6 years!!!
Maccogirl
11-06-2007, 02:48 PM
Some of you better wait on the offical results from the EBC before you start to bray about how well the COP did, because some of the counts that I am seeing and if the object of some of your joy is this great showing of the COP you are in for a very big surprise, COP did well in D/Martin against UNCA, and maybe San Fernando but the official count will make some of you think a little, so wait before you celebrate :lol:
cm103
11-06-2007, 02:50 PM
Matters not Macco, the support figures for a one year old party is nothing to sneeze at.
Just imagine the state of the opposition to the PNM in 2012....if they could keep this rolling it go be thunder. Patos sure to retire when he see this coming.
Maccogirl
11-06-2007, 03:02 PM
That may be so but what I am saying looking at the trends that I am seeing it would be wise for the COP and their supporters to consider those results when it comes out and see what their take on it is rather then celebrating as if the COP did this fantastic job.
cm103
11-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Agreed, the results should be the basis to gauge what went wrong and what and where they need to change.
Personally I think they did a great job though and I know a lot of people agree with my frame of mind. If they learn from this rounds and come back strong for the next then we may have an even more interesting battle in 2012.
theout
11-06-2007, 03:23 PM
why did people not come out to vote????
Assuming that the above figures from Newsday ar correct, then given that a new party got over 100,000 votes, I might guess that significantly less people voted for the two incumbent parties and that the rest of the population couldn't give a damm or they just too fed up (or maybe because they all emigrated away?). This is so disappointing because I would have thought that more people might be galvanized to come out and vote.
Anyways this bodes well for COP if they can sustain themselves and continue to reach out to more people.
Here's 2 possible scenarios taking into account that the total voters are less than previous elections.
1/ COP did NOT attract much new voters but took away votes from the UNC and possibly even some from PNM-
Well then, this means that the UNC and PNM did not attract more voters themselves.
2/ COP did attract more new voters.
This means that again the UNC and PNM did not gain more voters and maybe less people voted for them than previous elections.
Either way, the COP did well, as others have said here. It's still a mystery why so many people did not vote and it's too bad COP did not win a single seat but at least the UNC and PNM support might be eroding, however small of a consolation that is.
Maccogirl
11-07-2007, 12:19 AM
The EBC preliminary figures indicate that the People's National Movement (PNM), had a total figure of 299,813 votes from 41 constituencies it contested.
The UNC-A had a total 194,425 votes from 39 constituencies it contested in Trinidad
Congress of the People (COP) got a total of 148,041 votes from the 41 constituencies it contested.
PNM: 299,813 UNC-A & COP: 342,466
lets see in 2002 the figures were PNM 308,807 and UNC 283,656
283,656-194,425 = 89231
so UNC lost 89231 votes. lets assume they all went COP
PNM lost 8,949 votes lets assume they all went COP
COP still pulled some 49861 from somewhere else. people who didnt vote in 2002.
therefore some 50,000 more people voted in this election than 2002 but the turnout % is less becuase over 100000 new names were added to the voter list.
personally I think that the voting list is wrong. no way we have nearly a million voters in this country.
that is precisely what happened...the % is less because the total no of registered voters were higher than in 2002...
So in fact what happened : 148,000+ voted against the UNC and PNM
Jointly 148,000+ for COP and 194,000+ got more than the PNM....hmmmmm so i guess the gov't is not a representation of the majority....
theout
11-07-2007, 11:50 PM
So the PNM voters only decreased by almost 9,000? After all the nonsense and harshness the country has gone through?
Well, 50,000 extra voters is good but not good enough. Who do a lot of people (especially the 300,000+ who did not vote) no0t think the government needs to go?
slayerdave
11-08-2007, 06:37 AM
that is precisely what happened...the % is less because the total no of registered voters were higher than in 2002...
So in fact what happened : 148,000+ voted against the UNC and PNM
Jointly 148,000+ for COP and 194,000+ got more than the PNM....hmmmmm so i guess the gov't is not a representation of the majority....
wow.......your right, my god, your right.
Wake up and smell the ****, your party didn't win a single seat and the PNM now have a 3\5 majority which will basically do whatever they want.
That the problem with our constitution, thats why we need constitutional reform.
Now for sure I know you going ask the UNC didn't go for constitutional reform when they where in government. The reason is that they didn't have a constitutional majority. But they did pass some bills that would have help the situation, such the equal oppurtunity act, the freedom of information act etc.
peanut
11-08-2007, 06:52 AM
Where are you all getting your information from that the Gov't can do "anything" they want with a 3/5 majority? I agree there are Bills that can be passed, but they cannot pass any that will alter/amend the Constitution, nor can the pass any Bills that can be construed as an infringement on the Civil Rights of the people that is in violation of the Constitution.
Where are you all getting your information from that the Gov't can do "anything" they want with a 3/5 majority? I agree there are Bills that can be passed, but they cannot pass any that will alter/amend the Constitution, nor can the pass any Bills that can be construed as an infringement on the Civil Rights of the people that is in violation of the Constitution.
it would be interesting to hear this.. :ugeek:
peanut
11-08-2007, 08:05 AM
It's a fact, any such bills will result in a successful challenge. THE GOV'T CAN DO NOTHING WITH OR TO THE CONSTITUTION IN ITS PRESENT FORM!
Somebody007
11-08-2007, 08:12 AM
I want to know why is it people does say that the UNC-A +COP votes are more than the PNM count. How can you put UNC-A and COP votes together when these two political groups operated as separated parties with a different focus.
peanut
11-08-2007, 08:28 AM
Because it proves that more people voted against them and it is indisputable proof that your Holy PNM is not as popular as you would want them to be
Maccogirl
11-08-2007, 08:33 AM
Skl where are you getting your figures from?? I gave you the link to where I got mine and that source was taken from the EBC it does show the PNM getting 89,000 plus votes from the last election in 2002 that shows to me that the PNM gained votes
In 2002 the PNM had 290,864 51% of the votes, this time around they got 299,813 46% of the vote, the PNM improved not lost anything, the UNC lost votes that is correct but if the COP was so much of a factor in pulling votes also from the PNM how come the PNM votes increased???
299,813 - 290,864 is 89,000 ???? check your maths. you have a extra 0 there.
I must have missed the thread where you gave your source. could you post it here ?
in any case
http://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/sp ... esults.htm (http://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/special/2002electionresults.htm)
Trinidad and Tobago 2002 Election Results
Final Election Figures provided by the Elections and Boundaries Commission
PNM -308,807
Maccogirl
11-08-2007, 09:53 AM
there you go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_a ... on%2C_2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_and_Tobago_general_election%2C_2007)
there you go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_a ... on%2C_2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_and_Tobago_general_election%2C_2007)
there you go ....what ?
the 2007 results you give me are exaclty the same as the ones I used.
its the 2002 figures that we have different. what your source for that ?
Somebody007
11-08-2007, 10:10 AM
Because it proves that more people voted against them and it is indisputable proof that your Holy PNM is not as popular as you would want them to be
Isolating the UNC makes them even more unholy than the PNM and the COP.
Maccogirl
11-08-2007, 12:24 PM
Lord SKl you want me to print every dam site look on the site I gave you there is a entire listing and dates of each election on there, I would think that you do know how to use the search function on Goggle geez.
You argue so much I got the facts off of this site they say they have it from EBC and some other source look and find it, you want to argue every point well then do your research, don't take the easy way out and keep asking me to post a link or where it is that my information came from on another thread I posted all the links from 2000 to 2007 :roll:
Lord SKl you want me to print every dam site look on the site I gave you there is a entire listing and dates of each election on there, I would think that you do know how to use the search function on Goggle geez.
You argue so much I got the facts off of this site they say they have it from EBC and some other source look and find it, you want to argue every point well then do your research, don't take the easy way out and keep asking me to post a link or where it is that my information came from on another thread I posted all the links from 2000 to 2007 :roll:
Macco I looked at the wikipedia 2002 results and it has the same numbers for the PNM I used . ... 308,807. where did you get your number ( 290,864) ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_a ... on%2C_2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_and_Tobago_general_election%2C_2002)
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