Dookeran will be remembered for 3 Things

[TheLight]

15% VAT
Being part of an oppressive government that cause a coup
And saddling the people with another oppressive and incompetent government for another 5 years

[vaio]

1. honesty
2. integrity
3. humility

[TheLight]

1. honesty
2. integrity
3. humility

Take that to the grocery with you…

When bandit come to kidnap you that will protect you

[Falcon]

Utter nonsense, high class garbage.

CAUSED the coup?! :shock:

It was worth PNM winning yesterday, only if to aggravate you.

[vaio]

1. honesty
2. integrity
3. humility

Take that to the grocery with you…

When bandit come to kidnap you that will protect you

yea hun, jus like i've been takin it for the past 6 years... :roll:

[gaia]

Dont blame Dooks for anything.He opened de door to another kanda politics, but de pple souldn´t enter.Dey accostomed tu misplaced loyalty, ignorance, stupidity, lack of values. no dignity. They go follow a fowl that crowing to death. Now dey have a tin god tu warship? May God have mercy on this nation!!

[Sirius]

Wake up Light. PNM won yesterday because Basdeo Panday with his maximum leadership, venomous attitude LOST 23% of the vote of the electorate to the COP. If he were still a viable political force he would have attracted those voters to the UNCA regardless of what Dookeranan and the COP said or did.

The country has spoken. 23% were prepared to back the COP instead of the UNCA. 23% cost Panday the government. 23% did not buy into Panday's fear tactics of a vote for COP is a vote for PNM because 23% were willing to chance Manning over Panday. But what did Panday do?

1) He refused to step down, even 5 years after expressing his intention to do so after the 2002 electoral loss.
2) He tried to run the party from behind Dookeran's back, leading to the formation of the COP.
3) He spewed constant venom at COP throughout the campaign yet foolishly expected COP to unite with him.
4) Now after losing his shot at government, he tells the electorate to blame themselves if their families are murdered, instead of trying to understand why he lost 23% of the electorate and woo them back.

This is why although COP did not get a seat, Panday has lost 23% of the electorate that will very likely never return to his fold. Without that 23%, Panday and the UNC will never see government again. And if Panday continues along his trend from last night, that 23% will only grow larger before the 2012 elections. Whether they continue to support COP or not, only time can tell. But Panday has alienated them. Dookeran gave them hope, and even though he lost that will be his legacy: He provided an alternative that in only one year of political life changed T&T's politics forever.

Panday, you foolish man!

[Acid]

This is democracy. COP didn't split anyone's vote ... there was a playing field and there were rules. When the final whistle blew PNM was given a mandate by some 200,000 citizens to rule for the next 5 years.

[TheLight]

Dookeran is a traitor he will never be forgiven for the pain and suffering the people will have to endure over the next 5 years

[Acid]

And Ramesh was forgiven?

Ramesh had Panday in court. Dooks never did all that.

Dooks was graceful even in defeat. He was a statesman. He accepted the results with public dignity.

[Sirius]

Dookeran is a traitor he will never be forgiven for the pain and suffering the people will have to endure over the next 5 years

That is not a rationally thought out position and you know it. We live in a democracy, Dookeran provided a position and 23% of the electorate opted to follow him. Splitting of the vote is rubbish. COP regained the ONR vote which Panday had for a while by virtue of the NAR. He never owned those votes. Instead of blaming Dookeran, ask Panday why he kept insulting that 23% of the electorate and threatening them with a PNM dictatorship (which is a tactic that clearly did not work) instead of trying to convince them the UNC could deal with the issues better than the COP.

[vaio]

And Ramesh was forgiven?

Ramesh had Panday in court. Dooks never did all that.

Dooks was graceful even in defeat. He was a statesman. He accepted the results with public dignity.

Which is far from the insulting and angry outcry Bas delivered..

[Sirius]

And Ramesh was forgiven?

Ramesh had Panday in court. Dooks never did all that.

Dooks was graceful even in defeat. He was a statesman. He accepted the results with public dignity.

Which is far from the insulting and angry outcry Bas delivered..

Dookeran conceded that people did not want what the COP offered right now. He accepted that and promised to keep COP alive and put forth the principles of the party for when the people are ready. He took the democratic approach. Panday berated and insulted the electorate for his loss. He was aspiring to be Prime Minister of a democratic republic, and he cannot respect the choices of the electorate? Give me a break!

[snowbird]

1. honesty
2. integrity
3. humility

He tried to take Trinidadians to a higher level in politics, the type of politics that other developed countries practice successfully, but Trinidad is not read for that yet.

He didn't just talk the talk, he walked the walk.

Well done Winston; one day Trinidadians will get it, hopefully in your lifetime so that you will be vindicated by those who now scorn.

[cm103]

While I am disappointed I am not surprised by the results. But I have no regrets since I voted for what I believed was right and about 23% of the electorate was in line with me. That in my eyes is really good in this information age for a third party which us under a year old.

Dookeran's speech showed the grace of the man, even in defeat and I commend him on that. I do think he needs to look within his own party for the answers and build at the ground level starting today. To blame the country only for this loss is no better than the UNC.

I believe Montano said it last night, the COP had possibly the best management team but lacked the salesmen and without them you not selling anything.

The ideas behind this party will resurface again, whether under the COP banner or under a new name and leader, time will tell.

Panday has the more or less the same makeup as the last time he lost the government and court cases hanging over his head. If he goes the vacuum he leaves could make or break the UNC.

[Somebody007]

Dookeran is a traitor he will never be forgiven for the pain and suffering the people will have to endure over the next 5 years

When will you ever realise that Panday is a major obstacle towards UNC getting back into power. Do you not know it is because of Panday's arrogance and abuse of people that caused Dookeran and others to leave the UNC and form their own party??? Do you not know that it is because of Panday's behaviour, alot of people across Trinidad have a total dislike for Panday??? Panday got what he deserved and trust me....Panday will never ever smell Prime Minister or President position in this country.....maybe if Panday migrate to a small unpopulous island somewhere in the pacific ocean, he might have his chance there....but he certainly aint going to have it here.

[Acid]

And if we had this proportional representation constitution, COP would have a quarter of the total amount of representatives.

No one should blame COP for their losses.

If you make a mistake once that could be considered a learning experience, but to make it twice has to be your fault!

[listeninear]

Somebody light a candle for TheLight. Bitter fuh so..........

[cm103]

Keep Light talking...he taking this thing real hard and we doh want him to do anything chupid

Seriously Light, look within your party for the answer for why you didn't make it this rounds. Stop blaming others for your shortcomings so you don't make this mistake again.

[vaio]

Somebody light a candle for TheLight. Bitter fuh so..........

Light in the Dark for now as well as all them bitter UNC supporters..

[Somebody007]

That Light needs to go out forever, meh eh lighting no light for he nah....otherwise I good. At least people like Vaio and listeninear understands where I coming from with my comments. Oh gosh, look inside the party nah and try and find what problems exist in there.

Ah tell people yesterday that God literally moved Panday away from the Prime Minister post....whatever God takes back, He don't give it back just so.....In 2012, Panday will be defeated again....that is if he is still virtually around.

[Parsifal]

Dookeran is a traitor he will never be forgiven for the pain and suffering the people will have to endure over the next 5 years

That is not a rationally thought out position and you know it. We live in a democracy, Dookeran provided a position and 23% of the electorate opted to follow him. Splitting of the vote is rubbish. COP regained the ONR vote which Panday had for a while by virtue of the NAR. He never owned those votes. Instead of blaming Dookeran, ask Panday why he kept insulting that 23% of the electorate and threatening them with a PNM dictatorship (which is a tactic that clearly did not work) instead of trying to convince them the UNC could deal with the issues better than the COP.

Totally agree with you on the ONR vote. The UNC never owned this at all.

[JediKnight]

Dookeran is a traitor he will never be forgiven for the pain and suffering the people will have to endure over the next 5 years

And this exactly why the UNC could never win government. Be that as it may, congratulations to the PNM on winning the elections. Congrats to the UNC on retaining opposition. I remain a proud supporter of the COP.

[kemist]

This is democracy. COP didn't split anyone's vote ... there was a playing field and there were rules. When the final whistle blew PNM was given a mandate by some 200,000 citizens to rule for the next 5 years.


amen

[Maccogirl]

Oh please PNM won because some of you intellects of the COP do not want to admit that the dotish blacks of Laventille and outer areas understand the politics of this land better than all the brains in Westmorring, Victoria Gardens, Goodwood Park, Bayshore and where ever else.

They went out and voted for the PNM their party no matter how hard life is under the PNM, they closed ranks and voted for their party to ensure a win.PNM is a institution 50 years old in this game, they know how to rally their people. They may have infighting, Manning can cuss Valley kick him out , slap Raheal but when the battle is on the do what need to be done to keep their party in power.

PNM is their comfort zone so they will do what it take, what ever mess going on they will fix it in the next five years, but they going down fighting because they know how important it is to keep government that is something the COP supporters need to learn :roll:

[vaio]

Oh please PNM won because some of you intellects of the COP do not want to admit that the dotish blacks of Laventille and outer areas understand the politics of this land better than all the brains in Westmorring, Victoria Gardens, Goodwood Park, Bayshore and where ever else.:

For a comment like that....you seriously need help...how can you label ppl like that...!!! but why shld i expect anything less... :roll: :roll:

but look at dat....COP got more votes in these areas that Bas ever got!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Somebody007]

Oh please PNM won because some of you intellects of the COP do not want to admit that the dotish blacks of Laventille and outer areas understand the politics of this land better than all the brains in Westmorring, Victoria Gardens, Goodwood Park, Bayshore and where ever else.

They went out and voted for the PNM their party no matter how hard life is under the PNM, they closed ranks and voted for their party to ensure a win.PNM is a institution 50 years old in this game, they know how to rally their people. They may have infighting, Manning can cuss Valley kick him out , slap Raheal but when the battle is on the do what need to be done to keep their party in power.

PNM is their comfort zone so they will do what it take, what ever mess going on they will fix it in the next five years, but they going down fighting because they know how important it is to keep government that is something the COP supporters need to learn :roll:


why you saying the black people of laventille dotish??? It have smart blacks up there Maccogirl....ent they did the smart thing by voting PNM..... :D :D :D

[Maccogirl]

Like you did not see the ad the PNM ran , winners vote PNM :lol: COP feel the people dotish your leader said they not ready for change maybe they preferred to align themselves with winners instead of losers :lol:

[Vampire_Princess]

three things?

1) splitting the vote
2) losing his seat
3) disappearing and/or going "silent" on 6 Nov

[Sumana]

1. honesty
2. integrity
3. humility


Where? I'll never remember him for that. Thank God I've come to know the TRUE Dookeran

[halo]

1. Listening to Yetming
2. Listening to Ganga Singh
3. Listening to Sadiq Baksh

The man is a good person but he is not politically savvy.

[vaio]

1. honesty
2. integrity
3. humility


Where? I'll never remember him for that. Thank God I've come to know the TRUE Dookeran

:roll: :roll:

[cm103]

1. honesty
2. integrity
3. humility


Where? I'll never remember him for that. Thank God I've come to know the TRUE Dookeran

:roll: :roll:

Yeah I feel you on dat one vaio...

[Sumana]

Ofcourse I forgot, DOokeran is holier than god you can't say nothing bad about him...Then you all want to talk about blinded fanatics? Oh please.

[cm103]

LOL,

sorry for apparently stopping your leader from going out in glory. I didn't know that would happen. Maybe if we all just listened to him without thinking this wouldn't have happened

Yuh happy now? Life goes on.

Blinded fanatics from a UNC supporter. This world is a strange place sometimes yes.

[Somebody007]

Sumana are you concerned about your daily bread as you express your bitterness towards a so called 'splitting of the vote'.

[vaio]

Sumana are you concerned about your daily bread as you express your bitterness towards a so called 'splitting of the vote'.

sometimes we need to sing for our supper... :P :P

[Sumana]

Sumana are you concerned about your daily bread as you express your bitterness towards a so called 'splitting of the vote'.

sometimes we need to sing for our supper... :P :P

More hate that was being spewed from COP platform being repeated b y their supporters. Your true colours are showing.

[vaio]

uh...sweetie....there was no more hate for another person/party than on election night from Bas...gosh that was such a classy speech...

[Sumana]

The same way Dookeran's been telling off his friends and abusing them in public because they don't support him
Oh wait...Dookeran can do no wrong. Sorry :roll:

[vaio]

well....ok..once you're sorry... :P

[Sumana]

:roll:

[vaio]

:P :P :P

[TheLight]

Dookeran so bright and educated and all his supporters can think for themselves but none of them think that a 3rd party will hand PNM the government

There were two perfect example in 1981 ONR & 2001 Team Unity
For the past 6 months Dr. Suruj Rambachan preach this to Nirad every morning on 106 radio but Nirad who I’m sure can think for himself keep telling him no Cop winning 41 seats…

[Somebody007]

Sumana are you concerned about your daily bread as you express your bitterness towards a so called 'splitting of the vote'.

sometimes we need to sing for our supper... :P :P



lol.... :lol: :lol:

[Somebody007]

Dookeran so bright and educated and all his supporters can think for themselves but none of them think that a 3rd party will hand PNM the government

There were two perfect example in 1981 ONR & 2001 Team Unity
For the past 6 months Dr. Suruj Rambachan preach this to Nirad every morning on 106 radio but Nirad who I’m sure can think for himself keep telling him no Cop winning 41 seats…


Aye doh call dat name Suruj Rambachan on this thread.

[slayerdave]

Dookeran so bright and educated and all his supporters can think for themselves but none of them think that a 3rd party will hand PNM the government

There were two perfect example in 1981 ONR & 2001 Team Unity
For the past 6 months Dr. Suruj Rambachan preach this to Nirad every morning on 106 radio but Nirad who I’m sure can think for himself keep telling him no Cop winning 41 seats…

Saying this to corpses is like talking to a wet log TheLight, boy..
148,000 have their so called intergrity intact, and well the 200,000 backward ******s that voted for the UNC sell their soul to Jack.....Boy just leave them alone and about six months when they catching the royal backside with crime, high food prices, poor health services and blatant disrecpect by the Massa they will understand what political power is. That the only way to change Trinidad is by taking power away from the PNM. Trust me just like JPersad who not living here going an ride out, leaving the backwards who can't leave to suffer, but at least they have their intergrity.....The PNM is not the problem for them its Panday, its RLM, its Jack....At least they have their intergrity.

Dookeran will walk the political underworld lossing his seat twice to the UNC, believing that he can beat Panday as a leader.

As for Roy the boy he can take that coffin and as Surren Capildeo said "shove it up".

[Somebody007]

Dookeran so bright and educated and all his supporters can think for themselves but none of them think that a 3rd party will hand PNM the government

There were two perfect example in 1981 ONR & 2001 Team Unity
For the past 6 months Dr. Suruj Rambachan preach this to Nirad every morning on 106 radio but Nirad who I’m sure can think for himself keep telling him no Cop winning 41 seats…

Saying this to corpses is like talking to a wet log TheLight, boy..
148,000 have their so called intergrity intact, and well the 200,000 backward ******s that voted for the UNC sell their soul to Jack.....Boy just leave them alone and about six months when they catching the royal backside with crime, high food prices, poor health services and blatant disrecpect by the Massa they will understand what political power is. That the only way to change Trinidad is by taking power away from the PNM. Trust me just like JPersad who not living here going an ride out, leaving the backwards who can't leave to suffer, but at least they have their intergrity.....The PNM is not the problem for them its Panday, its RLM, its Jack....At least they have their intergrity.

Dookeran will walk the political underworld lossing his seat twice to the UNC, believing that he can beat Panday as a leader.

As for Roy the boy he can take that coffin and as Surren Capildeo said "shove it up".


Ummm is only ah little over 100 000 people voted for the UNC eh, not that figure you just mentioned there.....COP had more overall votes than the UNC.

[slayerdave]

Dookeran so bright and educated and all his supporters can think for themselves but none of them think that a 3rd party will hand PNM the government

There were two perfect example in 1981 ONR & 2001 Team Unity
For the past 6 months Dr. Suruj Rambachan preach this to Nirad every morning on 106 radio but Nirad who I’m sure can think for himself keep telling him no Cop winning 41 seats…

Saying this to corpses is like talking to a wet log TheLight, boy..
148,000 have their so called intergrity intact, and well the 200,000 backward ******s that voted for the UNC sell their soul to Jack.....Boy just leave them alone and about six months when they catching the royal backside with crime, high food prices, poor health services and blatant disrecpect by the Massa they will understand what political power is. That the only way to change Trinidad is by taking power away from the PNM. Trust me just like JPersad who not living here going an ride out, leaving the backwards who can't leave to suffer, but at least they have their intergrity.....The PNM is not the problem for them its Panday, its RLM, its Jack....At least they have their intergrity.

Dookeran will walk the political underworld lossing his seat twice to the UNC, believing that he can beat Panday as a leader.

As for Roy the boy he can take that coffin and as Surren Capildeo said "shove it up".


Ummm is only ah little over 100 000 people voted for the UNC eh, not that figure you just mentioned there.....COP had more overall votes than the UNC.

Yea......
PNM - 45% - 288,969
UNC - 30% - 194,101
COP - 23% - 148,272
DAC - 1% - 9,329
DNA - 0% - 462

But at least you have your intergrity.

[Somebody007]

But at least you have your intergrity.[/quote]


You sure about them figures because I was reading somewhere that is was just over 100, 000 votes. Anyways man, I'm open to correction on this....

[cm103]

Yes we do, thank you for noticing.

High food price, crime etc. affect all but we voted for a change from the corruption that befell the UNC.

COP not responsible if the UNC fetes couldn't translate into voters. Cry me a river.

Now your leader not looking forward to parliament. Whappen to doing the people's will? Well the people want him to represent them in Couva North but he not looking forward to that.

[slayerdave]

Yes we do, thank you for noticing.

High food price, crime etc. affect all but we voted for a change from the corruption that befell the UNC.

COP not responsible if the UNC fetes couldn't translate into voters. Cry me a river.

Now your leader not looking forward to parliament. Whappen to doing the people's will? Well the people want him to represent them in Couva North but he not looking forward to that.

Yea man, at least you have intergrity intact in the end of the day.

[TheLight]

Yea man, at least you have intergrity intact in the end of the day.

Yeah man, when the kidnappers come say wait, wait, wait I have mih integrity
When you go to the grocery and the cashier tell you the price say wait, wait, wait I have mih integrity

[slayerdave]

Yea man, at least you have intergrity intact in the end of the day.

Yeah man, when the kidnappers come say wait, wait, wait I have mih integrity
When you go to the grocery and the cashier tell you the price say wait, wait, wait I have mih integrity

Your understand they dread...........

[BW]

three things?

1) splitting the vote
2) losing his seat
3) disappearing and/or going "silent" on 6 Nov

After all the spin and old talk, that was probably the most accurate comment in this thread.

[sam48]

MG,
Did Panday and Ramesh know how important it is to keep government when they destroyed the UNC govt that some of the same COP supporters yuh continuing to cuss,worked hard for and gave to them to manage?
Do you consider that it is precisely because they both refused to step aside after that betrayal and that Panday continued to behave as if he personally owned the UNC and was belitting and cusing and name calling the innocent as if he had done nothing wrong and nothing to atone for that caused the problems and the results.

Panday should now "take his jahagee bundle and go" quietly into the night and disappear,I for one am totally fed up with his brand of one man politics.

[cm103]

Yea man, at least you have intergrity intact in the end of the day.

Yeah man, when the kidnappers come say wait, wait, wait I have mih integrity
When you go to the grocery and the cashier tell you the price say wait, wait, wait I have mih integrity

Your understand they dread...........

Yuh real desperate looking for Light to make your point.

[TheLight]

MG,
Did Panday and Ramesh know how important it is to keep government when they destroyed the UNC govt that some of the same COP supporters yuh continuing to cuss,worked hard for and gave to them to manage?
Do you consider that it is precisely because they both refused to step aside after that betrayal and that Panday continued to behave as if he personally owned the UNC and was belitting and cusing and name calling the innocent as if he had done nothing wrong and nothing to atone for that caused the problems and the results.

Panday should now "take his jahagee bundle and go" quietly into the night and disappear,I for one am totally fed up with his brand of one man politics.

Well Dookeran made Manning prime minister thousands of us going to suffer for that but what the heck, your integrity intact

[Somebody007]

I could only imagine if in 2012, another 'destroyer' came along to destroy UNC chances again....lol....... :D :D :D

[vaio]

I could only imagine if in 2012, another 'destroyer' came along to destroy UNC chances again....lol....... :D :D :D

lol just give Bas a couple of years to retire (hopefully the damn man retire)...the party will destroy itself...

[slayerdave]

I could only imagine if in 2012, another 'destroyer' came along to destroy UNC chances again....lol....... :D :D :D

lol just give Bas a couple of years to retire (hopefully the damn man retire)...the party will destroy itself...

Are you Patrick prophetess?..........

[Somebody007]

I could only imagine if in 2012, another 'destroyer' came along to destroy UNC chances again....lol....... :D :D :D

lol just give Bas a couple of years to retire (hopefully the damn man retire)...the party will destroy itself...

Are you Patrick prophetess?..........


Ah prophetess is more economical to deal with than ah expensive plane ride on Warner's jet to South Africa.

[slayerdave]

Ah prophetess is more economical to deal with than ah expensive plane ride on Warner's jet to South Africa.

I guess you need to have intergrity to know that..........

[vaio]

Ah prophetess is more economical to deal with than ah expensive plane ride on Warner's jet to South Africa.

I guess you need to have intergrity to know that..........

uh...yea Dave...INGTEGRITY....!!!! oh smucks....yuh really have to leave the UNC to really understand what that means... :roll:

[slayerdave]

[quote="vaio
uh...yea Dave...INGTEGRITY....!!!! oh smucks....yuh really have to leave the UNC to really understand what that means... :roll:[/quote]

Strangly enough intergrity is not found where you are, but stay there and keep the fate. :roll:

[littleone]

^^vaio, whey yuh day gyul?

[vaio]

^^vaio, whey yuh day gyul?

ah right in the COP camp!!! ;) :P

[Somebody007]

I simply don't know how people could vote for a man who have outstanding court charges on his head and the possibilities of going to jail is more likely than unlikely. What are we teaching our young children from a moral standpoint? This country is heading very deep into the gutter if we don't learn to change our ways.

[sam48]

The light ,
What happened in 1986 when the PNM was defeated 33 t0 3?
Was Panday the leader then?
The PNM has won the election but there is a lesson in there for those of us who do not support the PNM and that is that it is extremely difficult for the UNC base to get into power without the support of those who normally do not vote for either the PNM nor the UNC and abstain from voting.
It stands to reson therefore, as was proven in 1986, that the UNC cannot afford to refuse to compromise or continue to attack and vilify and antagonisethose of that group.
Remember "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and that friendship must be cultivated well in order to gain victory. There isno other way.and we must begin to build that alliance now.
Continuing to berate each other a la Panday is not the way to go. BTW without integrity we are following the law of the jungle. Without integrity Panday won his seat but lost an election he could otherwise have won.

[JediKnight]

Yea man, at least you have intergrity intact in the end of the day.

Yeah man, when the kidnappers come say wait, wait, wait I have mih integrity
When you go to the grocery and the cashier tell you the price say wait, wait, wait I have mih integrity

And you could tell dem yuh have Panday.... and ah waitin on mih change from 1976, 1981, 1988, 1991, 2001, 2002 and 2007 :lol: :lol: :lol:

[JediKnight]

MG,
Did Panday and Ramesh know how important it is to keep government when they destroyed the UNC govt that some of the same COP supporters yuh continuing to cuss,worked hard for and gave to them to manage?
Do you consider that it is precisely because they both refused to step aside after that betrayal and that Panday continued to behave as if he personally owned the UNC and was belitting and cusing and name calling the innocent as if he had done nothing wrong and nothing to atone for that caused the problems and the results.

Panday should now "take his jahagee bundle and go" quietly into the night and disappear,I for one am totally fed up with his brand of one man politics.

Well Dookeran made Manning prime minister thousands of us going to suffer for that but what the heck, your integrity intact

And Ramesh made Manning the Prime Minister in 2001! What's your point. Had it not been for Ramesh the UNC would have been in power today and elections would have been in 2010. Ramesh, not Dookeran, responsible for the PNM being in power today. I was a member of the PNM in 2000 and 2001 and yuh could take that to the Bank. Ramesh was we hero back then. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[skl]

dookeran made Manning PM ? i thought it was the 299000 votes Manning get that did that ?