If The PNM Wins tomorrow Will COP Supporters feel Betrayed?

[damianr]

Every COP Candidate has been calling the polls conspiracy, and ascerting that COP could win - if that turns out to be pie in the sky rethoric, and COP doesn't win a single seat, and the PNM wins, will you be happy with the PNM rule? or feel betrayed by the direction taken by the COP?

[peanut]

COP supporters have nothing to feel betrayed about.

[vaio]

COP supporters have nothing to feel betrayed about.

Agreed...

[skl]

eh ? UNC flooding the airwaves with calls to not "split the vote". Anybody who votes for COP tomorrow never had any intention of voting for the current version of the UNCA.

so what to feel betrayed about ?

[Maccogirl]

Well SKl tell me which of the marginal seat the COP can win ?

[peanut]

eh ? UNC flooding the airwaves with calls to not "split the vote". Anybody who votes for COP tomorrow never had any intention of voting for the current version of the UNCA.

so what to feel betrayed about ?

Exactly, they would have made a clear and conscious decision to vote the way they did.

[Maccogirl]

The will feel betrayed because their own leader cannot hold his seat, I would cuss he backside if I was them :lol:

[damianr]

I know a number of people that voting for COP because they hate Panday and Jack, and strongly believe from their meetings etc. that COP will win and get rid of the PNM.

There are pundits in TV ads that are attacking the NACTA Poll and insinuating that COP can win.

I'm saying if this proves to be smoke and mirrors, and reality sets in tomorrow how will COP supporters feel?

I'ts one thing to vote with awareness, and the other to vote under false pretext. Most COP supporters are voting under the pretext that their leaders still firmly believe that COP will win.

[vaio]

you really think ppl are that stupid to not know where their party stands on the day before election!!???

[Sirius]

Why would I as a COP supporter feel betrayed? I know PNM is winning, I'm just trying to get COP a foothold in my constituency for the next rounds. They have called the NACTA polls a conspiracy yes, but that's because the other polls predict other than what NACTA does. The latest set of ads from COP regarding the polls use the average of the 3 polls to show how much support they have as compared to PNM and UNCA. Nothing to feel betrayed about at all.

UNCA supporters are saying we're splitting a vote and have to live with a PNM victory on our conscience. Rubbish. What the UNCA supporters have to understand is that is NOT how COP supporters see things.

[Maccogirl]

Yes some do feel they are winning I was told just yesterday by a COP supporter from Bayshore that if I did not see the COP was neck and neck with the PNM from some poll they had running on the TV :roll:

[Sirius]

Yes some do feel they are winning I was told just yesterday by a COP supporter from Bayshore that if I did not see the COP was neck and neck with the PNM from some poll they had running on the TV :roll:

That TV ad shows a popularity poll, not a number of seats poll. There is a difference.

[Maccogirl]

So its good to use an average of three different polls and give yourself a outcome that you in the lead and you find from that you can tell that you winning :lol: :lol: :lol: ok if you say so :lol:

[Sirius]

So its good to use an average of three different polls and give yourself a outcome that you in the lead and you find from that you can tell that you winning :lol: :lol: :lol: ok if you say so :lol:

Macco, why u like to put words in people mouth so? I ever said they winning seats from that poll? Behave yuhself nah.

[skl]

If the COP voters have to feel betrayed about anything its all them people who DIDNT vote COP :mrgreen:

seriously alyuh dont get the mood of the COP crowds. The supporters know they cant win but they glad thay have a choice besides UNC and PNM.

[Maccogirl]

No the Poll say quiet clearly that the UNC CANT WIN this election

http://www.congresstnt.com/images/unc-can't-win-33x7.jpg

[BW]

Every COP Candidate has been calling the polls conspiracy, and ascerting that COP could win - if that turns out to be pie in the sky rethoric, and COP doesn't win a single seat, and the PNM wins, will you be happy with the PNM rule? or feel betrayed by the direction taken by the COP?

I guess we'll find out tomorrow eh? :lol: :lol:

Great is the PNM and it shall prevail. :D

[cm103]

No need to feel betrayed if you feel you voted for what you believe is right.

If the UNC saying that the COP caused the vote to be split then what did the COP do that the UNC didn't that won COP enough support to do that?

[vaio]

If the COP voters have to feel betrayed about anything its all them people who DIDNT vote COP :mrgreen:

seriously alyuh dont get the mood of the COP crowds. The supporters know they cant win but they glad thay have a choice besides UNC and PNM.

thank you skl and a good choice at that!!!

[King B]

He has a very good point.

The COP has been very deceptive with their use of polls this election and there are many of their supporters who honestly feel they can win: remember Revelation's absolutely hilarious statemnt of "PNM on de run!" :D I would feel decieved to have all these stats and COP candidates indicating that it is a neck and neck race with the PNM to only realise on election day that in fact the COP never had a chance. Even today the ANSA McAL poll continues the nonsense. I think if the COP is embarassed tomorrow that all of their candidates and UWI (due to their poll) will have a whole lot of explaining to do.

[Sirius]

Macco: Does that show whether they winning seats, or whether they getting more votes than UNCA? Surely you of all people know very well a party can get no seats with more votes than the opponent. It happened in 1981. Posting that image does not make it that I said the poll means they winning. I said the poll shows their popularity, not the number of seats.

I don't care how much u want to lambaste eh, but when u go sticking words in my mouth is a next story.

[King B]

So its good to use an average of three different polls and give yourself a outcome that you in the lead and you find from that you can tell that you winning :lol: :lol: :lol: ok if you say so :lol:

In all my years of studying data I have never seen that done before; what an absolute joke. :roll:

[BW]

No the Poll say quiet clearly that the UNC CANT WIN this election

http://www.congresstnt.com/images/unc-can't-win-33x7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/PikachuMan/roflmao.gif
lol, that's even on their official website. :lol: :lol:

[Maccogirl]

So what does UNC cannot win, then COP moving to government means??? What government ruling or opposition? It is there plain for you to see its your COP ad and yet you still want to argue.....get real the COP misleading their supporters big time :roll:

[Somebody007]

COP supporters wont feel betrayed....Its Panday we all want to see go out of politics tomorrow.

[Sirius]

So what does UNC cannot win, then COP moving to government means??? What government ruling or opposition? It is there plain for you to see its your COP ad and yet you still want to argue.....get real the COP misleading their supporters big time :roll:

Macco, I really, really hate to break it to you eh... :lol: but because I support COP doh mean I take everything they put out to heart at face value. Dais just something you hadda learn yes...not all ah we so blind to follow our parties hook line and sinker. Because COP ad say they winning govt because they popular means I feel they sweeping away the elections? Look, learn to separate the party from the supporter eh. Dais real, real shallow and immature tactics that fools nobody.

[Maccogirl]

Well at least Somebody you are honest with that statement is not winning for you its just that you want Panday gone :lol: only problem is that Panday has a better chance of ending up in the opposition than the COP so I really don't see how voting COP is making him gone :lol: :lol:

[skl]

LOL in the Guardian today pg 50 UNCa have a ad saying that according to the NACTA poll the UNCA will take 27 seats, PNM -13 and DAC- 1.


you think UNC voters will feel betrayed about that ? :lol:

[Somebody007]

I could of vote for two parties tomorrow, it go be PNM and COP.

[damianr]

you really think ppl are that stupid to not know where their party stands on the day before election!!???

That may suprise you Vaio, but I've just spoken to a few - I wouldn't call them stupid, just misguided

[BW]

Oh lord, it even have a COP candidate TV talking about how COP will form the next government :lol:
"I have no given any consideration to the COP forming opposition" :lol: :lol:

These men shameless eh. :lol:

[Somebody007]

Well at least Somebody you are honest with that statement is not winning for you its just that you want Panday gone :lol: only problem is that Panday has a better chance of ending up in the opposition than the COP so I really don't see how voting COP is making him gone :lol: :lol:



No hate or nothing personal against Panday though...

[Maccogirl]

Well if UNCA takes Nacta poll with all the others they may end up saying the winning 41 seats the fact is you just don't take an average of all the polls and come up with the fact that you in the lead that is ridiculous, if PNM was to do that I wonder what the result would be then PNM winning and everyone else losing their deposits :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Maccogirl]

No problem Somebody as I say at least you were honest in saying you would like Panday to go, and not come with this crap that COP winning 41 seats and the COP neck and neck with the PNM

[cm103]

Macco, why you not discussing the fact that Manning say he taking all 41? You was quick to jump up on Yetmin when he say 21 but when patos pull he paper from the back pocket you quiet.

And the COP supporters believe everything we see right? How many at the Eddie Hart believe Manning yesterday when he say that?

[Sirius]

Forget it cm, it have some people who just out to cause trouble...just leave them be yes. If they don't understand where it is we stand yet, they either never will or know and just want to stir d pot.

[King B]

So what does UNC cannot win, then COP moving to government means??? What government ruling or opposition? It is there plain for you to see its your COP ad and yet you still want to argue.....get real the COP misleading their supporters big time :roll:

Macco, I really, really hate to break it to you eh... :lol: but because I support COP doh mean I take everything they put out to heart at face value. Dais just something you hadda learn yes...not all ah we so blind to follow our parties hook line and sinker. Because COP ad say they winning govt because they popular means I feel they sweeping away the elections? Look, learn to separate the party from the supporter eh. Dais real, real shallow and immature tactics that fools nobody.

Breds, then please explain to me how these blatant lies fit in to the COP's platform of new politics and governance with integrity? Looks like the same old UNC tricks to me.

[Maccogirl]

After the crowd Manning had if I was him I and all will say I winning 41 seats, like some of you did not see that mass of people, but Patrick to give him credit that is just election old talk for the crowd just as the holiday talk, when it comes to being realistic have you seen PNM printing any kind of dotishness like this poll giving them the PNM a lead in 41 seats ??? :roll:

[Sirius]

KB: Read what I said before, and get back to me. Cool? I kinda fed up running in circles.

[cm103]

Well then Macco, we back to crowd does win election then? So you defending Patrick when he say is 41 this rounds?

The PNM don't need to print their dotishness, we see it everyday.

You still on the anything but COP trip I see. Opposing for opposition sake.

[kemist]

I know a number of people that voting for COP because they hate Panday and Jack, and strongly believe from their meetings etc. that COP will win and get rid of the PNM.

There are pundits in TV ads that are attacking the NACTA Poll and insinuating that COP can win.

I'm saying if this proves to be smoke and mirrors, and reality sets in tomorrow how will COP supporters feel?

I'ts one thing to vote with awareness, and the other to vote under false pretext. Most COP supporters are voting under the pretext that their leaders still firmly believe that COP will win.

Disappointed is a more suitable word to use rather than betrayed. They would be disappointed that the rest of the voters did not share their vision. Just like the other parties, they believe they have a chance of winning the election because they strongly believe in their cause. COP supporters are not voting based on polls, or who can throw the biggest fete etc, but on a new ideology of governance. But, win or lose, they will also have the feeling of satisfaction for doing what they think is right on election day.

[damianr]

Forget it cm, it have some people who just out to cause trouble...just leave them be yes. If they don't understand where it is we stand yet, they either never will or know and just want to stir d pot.

Sirus you know exactly what you're doing, you have all the facts - what concerns me is the number of COP supporters I've met that just buying ole talk and still think COP will win - most of these people don't share your view that Manning is a smaller threat than Panday.

I don't have a problem with people voting for COP or PNM, but I don't condone the lies by either COP or UNC.

At the end of the day the voter should make a clear and concise decision with the facts, most of which this forum has done an excellent job of exposing

[cm103]

But, win or lose, they will also have the feeling of satisfaction for doing what they think is right on election day.

Amen to that.

Regardless on the outcome I did my part and will still sleep at night.

[King B]

Yeah breds, but what you wrote before is making you look like a hypocrite and just as fanatical as some of the UNC supporters you have been directiong your attacks.

How does lying with figures fit in with the COP's platform of new politics and integrity in governance?

[King B]

But, win or lose, they will also have the feeling of satisfaction for doing what they think is right on election day.

Amen to that.

Regardless on the outcome I did my part and will still sleep at night.


They will have the feeling of losing an election and being kicked in the teeth by UWI, other pollsters and their own party... and now Suren Capildeo. :roll:

[Maccogirl]

Crowds dont win votes but if you see thousand of people waving and jumping in your party's rally it does have an effect on people even on those who did not attend, the appeal of that showing makes people think not that I am saying it will change everyones mind but it does make some come across, it shows support be it real or imagine it is support.

When on the other hand one has a rally the same day as others and your rally does not even come close to the other two what does that show the public or you as a supporters, will you not asked what happened or are you going to walk around and pretend that the sun was hot or the rain was falling so persons stayed home to watch it on TV :roll:

[BW]

Forget it cm, it have some people who just out to cause trouble...just leave them be yes. If they don't understand where it is we stand yet, they either never will or know and just want to stir d pot.

Sirus you know exactly what you're doing, you have all the facts - what concerns me is the number of COP supporters I've met that just buying ole talk and still think COP will win - most of these people don't share your view that Manning is a smaller threat than Panday.

I don't have a problem with people voting for COP or PNM, but I don't condone the lies by either COP or UNC.

At the end of the day the voter should make a clear and concise decision with the facts, most of which this forum has done an excellent job of exposing

That's a perfectly reasonable position. If I had a clapping smilie, I would use it.

And, at this very moment, Dooks is on the TV talking about the UNC-PNM alliance against him and the COP. I wonder how these COPers can keep a straight face when they are spouting such things they know to be lies.

[cm103]

Macco, to argue about why people didn't show up would be useless.

Support and the bandwagon effect can be used to swing some voters, such is why the UNC needs so much entertainment to bring crowds this rounds, but for people who really would like a change why would a fete change their minds?

I don't feel the need to defend crowd size to you of all people. I personally think you have something against Dookeran personally and it is clouding any impartiality common sense judgment you would have in certain situations.

[King B]

CM, the bottom line is that how does a party that claims to have more support than either the PNM and UNC pull a crowd at a NATIONAL rally of only 6,000 people? The official police report on the news stated:

PNM - 38,000
UNC - 11,500
COP - 6,000 :roll:

Still think COP winning the election?

[Sirius]

CM, the bottom line is that how does a party that claims to have more support than either the PNM and UNC pull a crowd at a NATIONAL rally of only 6,000 people? The official police report on the news stated:

PNM - 38,000
UNC - 11,500
COP - 6,000 :roll:

Still think COP winning the election?


This is interesting. Now as I said I was there and it sure seemed like a lot more than that to me. But let me push aside that for a moment. Aside from that I fed up saying COP not winning the election, I want to know something.

Before, some people on here were on about how COP could get less support than their September 9th rally. Well lookie at the UNC rally number. I thought Mid Centre Mall pulled over 45,000 and was the greatest thing ever? If they only got 11,500 then doesn't that mean UNCA has bled off a lot of their crowd support as well?

Let me see these people call a spade a spade or if they will continue to spin. To think that up to last night I had someone telling me on messenger that there was 100,000 at the UNC rally! I nearly fall off meh chair laughing when I hear that one.

[cm103]

King if I had that answer then I would be running this country. I don't pretend to agree with everything the party i support says or does but that is my right.

Let me ask you this though, if that was the official figure and a fair amount of people at Aranjeuz showed up for just the entertainment then realistically how much can you say actually went to support the UNC?

If the COP could pull half the UNC crowd without the entertainment factor then what is the stance on the UNC fighting the PNM neck-and-neck for this election?

[King B]

CM, the bottom line is that how does a party that claims to have more support than either the PNM and UNC pull a crowd at a NATIONAL rally of only 6,000 people? The official police report on the news stated:

PNM - 38,000
UNC - 11,500
COP - 6,000 :roll:

Still think COP winning the election?


This is interesting. Now as I said I was there and it sure seemed like a lot more than that to me. But let me push aside that for a moment. Aside from that I fed up saying COP not winning the election, I want to know something.

Before, some people on here were on about how COP could get less support than their September 9th rally. Well lookie at the UNC rally number. I thought Mid Centre Mall pulled over 45,000 and was the greatest thing ever? If they only got 11,500 then doesn't that mean UNCA has bled off a lot of their crowd support as well?

Let me see these people call a spade a spade or if they will continue to spin. To think that up to last night I had someone telling me on messenger that there was 100,000 at the UNC rally! I nearly fall off meh chair laughing when I hear that one.

Doh mind the UNC ad in the paper today said that they had 70,000 people, but I digress. :D

Sirius, lets not stray from the question at hand.

How do you reconcile the fact that the COP is blatantly lying to its supporters while running on a platform of nebulous new politics and and integrity in governance? How does that sit with you?

[Sumana]

That figure from TV6 was more than wrong. For a tv station who was there, they were talking a pack of crap

[cm103]

I think they were talking about the official police numbers and not their own estimates.

[Sumana]

Official Police Numbers told us easily 100K
Now why would the police give us and them diff estimates?

[cm103]

LOL, 100K...

I ent even going to start with that one...

[King B]

King if I had that answer then I would be running this country. I don't pretend to agree with everything the party i support says or does but that is my right.

Let me ask you this though, if that was the official figure and a fair amount of people at Aranjeuz showed up for just the entertainment then realistically how much can you say actually went to support the UNC?

If the COP could pull half the UNC crowd without the entertainment factor then what is the stance on the UNC fighting the PNM neck-and-neck for this election?

Dont be surprised if the PNM wins 30+ seats on Monday. We keep assuming that the floating voters will vote UNC or COP. The floating vote is very likely comprised of former UNC supporters who are disenchanted, want to vote PNM but do not want to say so. It is quite possible. This will get interesting.

[Sirius]

KB; it doesn't sit well with me. The reason why I stick it through is not so much the ole talk on the stage. I like the plans they have presented to me. They have done an excellent job of coming down on the ground and getting me to understand what they are about, what they want to do and how they want to do it. They are far from perfect. Now I don't think it is blatant lying so much as twisting the truth. COP has enormous support. Just it's too widespread to win any seats without a lot of luck in a few select constituencies tomorrow. They are twisting that to say they're winning...but frankly what party will campaign on a premise that they losing?

I don't run after them hook line and sinker. The reason I support them is that while they twist and sling mud just like the other parties, I have been presented with what I see as sound, beneficial and workable solutions for this country's ills that the other parties have failed to convince me of.

That is why I support COP - fair enough?

Now that I have answered your question...I would like the UNCA supporters to tell me how on Earth they bled down from 45,000 at Mid Centre to 11,500 at Aranguez? Allyuh can't be so hypocritical to say one thing about crowd when it comes to COP and then another when the same thing happens with UNCA. I thought UNCA has been steadily growing since Mid Center and ready to sweep away with 27 seats?

[King B]

KB; it doesn't sit well with me. The reason why I stick it through is not so much the ole talk on the stage. I like the plans they have presented to me. They have done an excellent job of coming down on the ground and getting me to understand what they are about, what they want to do and how they want to do it. They are far from perfect. COP has enormous support. Just it's too widespread to win any seats without a lot of luck in a few select constituencies tomorrow. They are twisting that to say they're winning...but frankly what party will campaign on a premise that they losing?

I don't run after them hook line and sinker. The reason I support them is that while they twist and sling mud just like the other parties, I have been presented with what I see as sound, beneficial and workable solutions for this country's ills that the other parties have failed to convince me of.

That is why I support COP - fair enough?

Now that I have answered your question...I would like the UNCA supporters to tell me how on Earth they bled down from 45,000 at Mid Centre to 11,500 at Aranguez? Allyuh can't be so hypocritical to say one thing about crowd when it comes to COP and then another when the same thing happens with UNCA. I thought UNCA has been steadily growing since Mid Center and ready to sweep away with 27 seats?


Now I don't think it is blatant lying so much as twisting the truth.

Sorry breds, I couldn't stop laughing long enough to read the rest.

Welcome to Hypocrisyville, population: you. :roll:

[Sumana]

Our crowd didn't decrease from Mid Centre Mall to Aranguez. Did you even watch the rally and see the aerial shots of our crowd? Or u just running your mouth without knowing anything? :roll:

Then again why I even bothering, you too blinded to discuss this with.

[Sumana]

King you get a set up on Khadija boy? ;)

[BW]

KB; it doesn't sit well with me. The reason why I stick it through is not so much the ole talk on the stage. I like the plans they have presented to me. They have done an excellent job of coming down on the ground and getting me to understand what they are about, what they want to do and how they want to do it. They are far from perfect. Now I don't think it is blatant lying so much as twisting the truth. COP has enormous support. Just it's too widespread to win any seats without a lot of luck in a few select constituencies tomorrow. They are twisting that to say they're winning...but frankly what party will campaign on a premise that they losing?

I don't run after them hook line and sinker. The reason I support them is that while they twist and sling mud just like the other parties, I have been presented with what I see as sound, beneficial and workable solutions for this country's ills that the other parties have failed to convince me of.

That is why I support COP - fair enough?

Now that I have answered your question...I would like the UNCA supporters to tell me how on Earth they bled down from 45,000 at Mid Centre to 11,500 at Aranguez? Allyuh can't be so hypocritical to say one thing about crowd when it comes to COP and then another when the same thing happens with UNCA. I thought UNCA has been steadily growing since Mid Center and ready to sweep away with 27 seats?

I'd prefer it if we all went back on topic instead, but meh :|

Continue on..

[Sirius]

LOL. We back to the 100,000 issue. Geez an rice.

So we have a population of around 1.2 million last census...a chunk of whom live in Tobago. More of whom are the elderly and children. Then you have to take those who care about politics out of that. Then you have to remove the people who went to the other rallies or stayed away. And I can go on and on. You want to tell me that UNCA had nearly 1/10 of T&T's entire population assembled at Aranguez Savannah? :lol: If yuh going to exaggerate...use a believable number... :lol:



I asking, if the Mid Centre estimate was 45,000 and Aranguez estimate was 11,500 then what happened to the remaining 33,500? What good for the goose not good for the gander? Come now, I'm not the one trying to boast of crowd size and using crowd size to gauge who winning elections. I was at Woodford Square for a short while and it was easily larger than the Real Red event. But I not using either to guage how my party doing because crowds do not win elections! I want the ones who harping about how COP lost crowd number to explain how come the same thing happened to the UNCA!

[cm103]

I saw your crowd on TV and it was large but not 100k or ever a major fraction of that. It was not as large as the Midcenter crowd either.

To verbally bash everyone who does not share your view is very childish but I have come to expect nothing less from you.

[King B]

King you get a set up on Khadija boy? ;)

Let her know if I ever get to kiss those lips it would make me a happy man forever. :D

[Ocel(art)]

Why would I as a COP supporter feel betrayed? I know PNM is winning, I'm just trying to get COP a foothold in my constituency for the next rounds. They have called the NACTA polls a conspiracy yes, but that's because the other polls predict other than what NACTA does. The latest set of ads from COP regarding the polls use the average of the 3 polls to show how much support they have as compared to PNM and UNCA. Nothing to feel betrayed about at all.

UNCA supporters are saying we're splitting a vote and have to live with a PNM victory on our conscience. Rubbish. What the UNCA supporters have to understand is that is NOT how COP supporters see things.

no, the cop just don't care if the pnm wins, they just want to spite panday

[Sumana]

Hahah King B, no scene, the girl really is pretty!!

And like I said, why bother with COP people who are too blinded and too much of fanatics to be reasonable? Really have to give props to people like Light and Maccogirl @ times like these!

[damianr]

Right now Anil on TV preaching about the fraud of the NACTA Poll and guiding supporters to believe that COP would win - so I ask again, after these people spend so much time trying to convince people that a spade is a cutlass - how would Cop supporters feel if they vote under the pretext that the COP actualy stand a chance of winning

Mind you I don't agree with the UNC AD saying that they ahead in 27 seats either.

How could I listen to anything Anil says again after he has blatantly mislead people by either deceit or a serious error in his judgment. From now on If he say sombody going to win ah match - I betting on the other team

If anybody come in this forum and say at this point they believe that COP will win we'll all die laughing

[Sirius]

no, the cop just don't care if the pnm wins, they just want to spite panday

Just because they don't want to unite with the man? I don't blame them. Panday's inability to call it a day is a major factor as to why the UNC has lost so much of its support base to the COP. The COP knows very well if they run back to Panday they will lose a large chunk of their own support base.

If Panday was as great as he is being made out to be, then he will have no problem winning whether he competing with COP or not. If he so great, COP won't have the support it has. Doh blame COP for wanting to stand on their own.

[Sumana]

Who in their right minds would listen to either Anil or Inshan?

[bluemellow]

it's very funny that unc supporters have the gall to call anyone blinded.

sumana- yuh feel good when bas and de boys does be demeaning women, girl? yuh does laff at he jokes ent? yuh like being ridiculed as a female? yuh woulda like it if he did talk bout yuh mudder so? yuh like how kamla hadda play 3rd and 4th fiddle?

oh wait wait- it doh matter. panday is god. he could do anything.

i happy here with my blind cop self, yes. 8-)

[Ocel(art)]

COP supporters wont feel betrayed....Its Panday we all want to see go out of politics tomorrow.

yet another stance based on hate. the cop is a party based on hate.

you voting for cop cause you all hate panday. i dont know what the hell panday to you all, but you all want to see the man fall. after everything he did for the country.

there's no good reason to vote for the cop, or the pnm. voting for the cop IS a vote for the pnm, and voting for the pnm will be the damnation of the country.

that is why cop voters will be in tears, because you all will have helped in the damnation of tnt

[Ocel(art)]

no, the cop just don't care if the pnm wins, they just want to spite panday

Just because they don't want to unite with the man? I don't blame them. Panday's inability to call it a day is a major factor as to why the UNC has lost so much of its support base to the COP. The COP knows very well if they run back to Panday they will lose a large chunk of their own support base.

If Panday was as great as he is being made out to be, then he will have no problem winning whether he competing with COP or not. If he so great, COP won't have the support it has. Doh blame COP for wanting to stand on their own.

why should panday call it a day? after all he has done for this country, as a fighter for the poor, he should just give up? just because some ingrates hate him?

i will blame the cop for wanting to stand on their own, cause they can't do it on their own, and neither can the unc. i will blame the cop for allowing the country to return to the hands of the pnm

[Sumana]

it's very funny that unc supporters have the gall to call anyone blinded.

sumana- yuh feel good when bas and de boys does be demeaning women, girl? yuh does laff at he jokes ent? yuh like being ridiculed as a female? yuh woulda like it if he did talk bout yuh mudder so? yuh like how kamla hadda play 3rd and 4th fiddle?

oh wait wait- it doh matter. panday is god. he could do anything.

i happy here with my blind cop self, yes. 8-)

Same way i sure u felt real happy when u heard Suren Capildeo and Anand on the platform las night, they were the best speakers ent :roll:
Same way i sure u felt happy when Ganga was insulting Kelvin and saying that he's dead on a hospital bed and he's a silent MP and he's not a man to fight elections
Same way I sure u felt happy when Ganga was on a platform insinuating that Dr. Rambachan's life threatening illness was fake.

Wheel 'n come again :arrow:

[King B]

Doh worry Sumana, after the election I have a little gift for the both of them.

[Sumana]

Who we talkin about here? I know u 100 yrs old and ting, but remem to use the quote button na :P :D

[cm103]

i will blame the cop for wanting to stand on their own, cause they can't do it on their own, and neither can the unc. i will blame the cop for allowing the country to return to the hands of the pnm


If the UNC can't do it on their own then why are they credited as the main reason for the formation of the COP?

Supporters like you just trying to shift the blame off people like RLM for turning the country over to the PNM in the first place.

[King B]

Who we talkin about here? I know u 100 yrs old and ting, but remem to use the quote button na :P :D

Yuh pardnas Anil and Inshan.

Anybody have any land ah could buy? Ah coming in to some money soon. :lol:

[bluemellow]

sumana- you did not answer my question as is the norm with you.
it seems that you subscribe to the 'eye for an eye' theory.
commendable.

having said that, i can understand why you would feel animosity towards ganga singh.
it is however no excuse for someone to degrade women in the manner i have seen on the unc platform but hey- once you as a female are good with that, cool.
just do not come here declaring 20/20 vision when it is clear that you are just as blind as most supporters of any party.

[Sumana]

Who we talkin about here? I know u 100 yrs old and ting, but remem to use the quote button na :P :D

Yuh pardnas Anil and Inshan.

Anybody have any land ah could buy? Ah coming in to some money soon. :lol:


Eh heh? What contract yuh givin me? :D

[Sirius]

[quote="Ocel(art)":a4108]no, the cop just don't care if the pnm wins, they just want to spite panday

Just because they don't want to unite with the man? I don't blame them. Panday's inability to call it a day is a major factor as to why the UNC has lost so much of its support base to the COP. The COP knows very well if they run back to Panday they will lose a large chunk of their own support base.

If Panday was as great as he is being made out to be, then he will have no problem winning whether he competing with COP or not. If he so great, COP won't have the support it has. Doh blame COP for wanting to stand on their own.

why should panday call it a day? after all he has done for this country, as a fighter for the poor, he should just give up? just because some ingrates hate him?

i will blame the cop for wanting to stand on their own, cause they can't do it on their own, and neither can the unc. i will blame the cop for allowing the country to return to the hands of the pnm[/quote:a4108]

I don't hate him but because the man did good in the past does not mean he's still good for the country. Panday's government collapsed in 2001. He's been to jail. He's leading the party into elections without a clear candidate for PM. Not somebody I want to vote for.

[King B]

De same CEPEP contract ah give Reva. Allyuh eh seeing him because he and the crew wukkin hard dese days. :D

[Ocel(art)]

i will blame the cop for wanting to stand on their own, cause they can't do it on their own, and neither can the unc. i will blame the cop for allowing the country to return to the hands of the pnm


If the UNC can't do it on their own then why are they credited as the main reason for the formation of the COP?

Supporters like you just trying to shift the blame off people like RLM for turning the country over to the PNM in the first place.


your first sentence doesn't make much sense, but i can tell you, that the unc is the main reason for the cop, because cop supporters hate panday. plain and simple.

and as someone once told me, that yes rlm did betray panday, and panday MOST OF ALL, and panday was able to forgive him, who are you to say that he shouldn't forgive him?

[Ocel(art)]

Just because they don't want to unite with the man? I don't blame them. Panday's inability to call it a day is a major factor as to why the UNC has lost so much of its support base to the COP. The COP knows very well if they run back to Panday they will lose a large chunk of their own support base.

If Panday was as great as he is being made out to be, then he will have no problem winning whether he competing with COP or not. If he so great, COP won't have the support it has. Doh blame COP for wanting to stand on their own.

why should panday call it a day? after all he has done for this country, as a fighter for the poor, he should just give up? just because some ingrates hate him?

i will blame the cop for wanting to stand on their own, cause they can't do it on their own, and neither can the unc. i will blame the cop for allowing the country to return to the hands of the pnm

I don't hate him but because the man did good in the past does not mean he's still good for the country. Panday's government collapsed in 2001. He's been to jail. He's leading the party into elections without a clear candidate for PM. Not somebody I want to vote for.

he is still the best thing the country has to offer.
the mere fact that he is here still fighting for the people despite all the malice and contempt against him shows that this guy is much better than old duck and run. he still good for the country, because while the unc was in government, t'dad was improving. so what are u talking about, he's bad for the country?
panday's government may have collapsed due to rlm, but remember, they have reconciled, so that is no reason to not vote for him. poor comeback, try again.
with regards to panday going to jail it was on corrupt terms!


Information that surfaced later on, linked Chief Magistrate McNicolls to a multi-million dollar land deal and a company associated with one of the main witnesses in the Basdeo Panday trial.[3] This information, along with the fact that Chief Magistrate McNicolls refused to give evidence for the criminal prosecution of the Chief Justice, which caused that prosecution to fail,

people seem to forget that, because they want to find a reason to hate panday.

and yet u all want to vote for dookeran who turns a blind eye to corruption
http://www.hotlikepepperradio.com/cms/modules/news/article.php?storyid=687

fight the real enemy nah. the pnm

[Sirius]

and as someone once told me, that yes rlm did betray panday, and panday MOST OF ALL, and panday was able to forgive him, who are you to say that he shouldn't forgive him?

Forgive RLM? The matters he brought up went to courts and have not been denied yet. Forgive RLM for letting the nation know the scandal going on?

[Ocel(art)]

and as someone once told me, that yes rlm did betray panday, and panday MOST OF ALL, and panday was able to forgive him, who are you to say that he shouldn't forgive him?

Forgive RLM? The matters he brought up went to courts and have not been denied yet. Forgive RLM for letting the nation know the scandal going on?

if panday can do it (and remember he went to jail!) who are u to judge?

[peanut]

and yet u all want to vote for dookeran who turns a blind eye to corruption
http://www.hotlikepepperradio.com/cms/modules/news/article.php?storyid=687

fight the real enemy nah. the pnm

Here is an excerpt from that article;

Seereeram noted that as Governor, Dookeran could have protected the vulnerable in society or the small man by putting a stop to deceptive advertising by some banks.

Dais why Dookeran targetted the middle class :mrgreen:

[Sumana]

[quote="Ocel(art)":23beb]and as someone once told me, that yes rlm did betray panday, and panday MOST OF ALL, and panday was able to forgive him, who are you to say that he shouldn't forgive him?

Forgive RLM? The matters he brought up went to courts and have not been denied yet. Forgive RLM for letting the nation know the scandal going on?

if panday can do it (and remember he went to jail!) who are u to judge?[/quote:23beb]


OCEL they think they're holier than thou, better than us backward c00lies..

[just1fix]

Hahah King B, no scene, the girl really is pretty!!

And like I said, why bother with COP people who are too blinded and too much of fanatics to be reasonable? Really have to give props to people like Light and Maccogirl @ times like these!

Am I living in a kafkaesque nightmare? COP FANATICS???? The same ones killing people or bashing them up?
Or the ones who need to be plied with rum, jerseys and foreign entertainment to go to rallies? You mean those COP Fanatics?
Or do you mean the ones who support men before the courts for prime minister?

Or maybe you feel that the only reasonable people out there are the ones who agree with you?

[BW]

Am I living in a kafkaesque nightmare? COP FANATICS???? The same ones killing people or bashing them up?
Or the ones who need to be plied with rum, jerseys and foreign entertainment to go to rallies? You mean those COP Fanatics?
Or do you mean the ones who support men before the courts for prime minister?

Or maybe you feel that the only reasonable people out there are the ones who agree with you?

Sumana, I think I agree with you. :|

[Sumana]

lol :lol: :lol: :lol: plenty people seein the light tonight boy *giggles*

[Maccogirl]

Cop middle class supporters wont feel betrayed because they all live dam nice under the PNM, so doh study them with their bs that they feeling all this pain from Manning before COP who you think they use to vote for it sure was not Panday, it was always PNM. :roll:

[damianr]

Hahah King B, no scene, the girl really is pretty!!

And like I said, why bother with COP people who are too blinded and too much of fanatics to be reasonable? Really have to give props to people like Light and Maccogirl @ times like these!

Am I living in a kafkaesque nightmare? COP FANATICS???? The same ones killing people or bashing them up?
Or the ones who need to be plied with rum, jerseys and foreign entertainment to go to rallies? You mean those COP Fanatics?
Or do you mean the ones who support men before the courts for prime minister?

Or maybe you feel that the only reasonable people out there are the ones who agree with you?

Do you believe the COP could win? are you happy with the PNM for the next five years? Let's stick to the facts and stop majoring in minors

[Maccogirl]

COP not winning and they know that, have you notice now the talk is UNCA will go into opposition so what at least they did better than the COP where are they going?? All they cuss Panday say he dead and he should leave you mean this man that has no support is capable of getting into opposition still??

Here we have all this bright COP people, all this new politics and they may not win a seat, there leader moving into government and his seat up for grabs. Look how I will laugh if Jack put a licking on Manhor, and Gang the chief whip have to say goodbye to politics, Yetming well he smart he give all of them bait and then he say not he I not running, Sadiq same thing, Fuad he will be still independent :roll:

But what can I say make all yuh stand yes, I fed up :lol: :lol:

[knives]

I can't believe TV6 is reporting the police estimates to be 11k....that is soo absurd. I was there, and I was just overwhelmed by the number of people there. Many many times i just stood there and said, 'look at f*cking people!'.

That crowd was well over 50k, no doubt about that. It was easily more than the midcenter mall crowd which was very very large, but nothing at all compared to the Aranguez crowd.

I simply can't believe how much the media in trinidad will lie, or how low the PNM will go to alter the police reports on crowd sizes.

[Maccogirl]

It was bigger than mid center mall, that is for sure, so did PNM have 11 k also because they also had a big crowd, as for the COP well they must of had about 2000 because they were less than the other two rallies :roll: :lol:

[Sumana]

STAND TALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[deathwinger]

I can't believe TV6 is reporting the police estimates to be 11k....that is soo absurd. I was there, and I was just overwhelmed by the number of people there. Many many times i just stood there and said, 'look at f*cking people!'.

That crowd was well over 50k, no doubt about that. It was easily more than the midcenter mall crowd which was very very large, but nothing at all compared to the Aranguez crowd.

I simply can't believe how much the media in trinidad will lie, or how low the PNM will go to alter the police reports on crowd sizes.


Well, PNM paying them extremely well. They want money for the years to come. Never mind none of that making its way to the media employees, with their fixed salary no matter what self.

[Sly1]

Its Panday we all want to see go out of politics tomorrow.

That is the whole story, reason, cause, purpose, goal.....

[knives]

I agree that it is absolutely disgusting blatant lying, but to report 11,500! My God, that is a new low, and I am no COP supporter but I 100% sure COP had between 10k and 15k.

I tried to doing some approximate estimating when I was the UNC rally, and I came up with 50,000 to 60,000!
And I wont doubt it was more because, there were so many other supporters in the surrounding roads and out of sight.

I remember in my highschool where 1000 students would gather for assembly every morning. So i know what 1000 people looks like and I can approximate easily crowd sizes with the best of them.

[damianr]

Its Panday we all want to see go out of politics tomorrow.

That is the whole story, reason, cause, purpose, goal.....

Who exactly is the "we" I would like to see Manning exit tomorrow - if for no other reason, just for being so scared of Baz - You must admit Patos throw every thing but the kitchen sink behind that man.

But really I want Patrick out because he spending money like he in Hollywood, trying to deal with crime with anaconda and blimps (instead of long term initiatives to break the cycle of crime) and fixing roads that now more bumpy - and it take him 6 years to realise he should build the interchange the UNC started.

The man is grossly incompetent

[nikkidan]

what is this new politics and new ideology of government that the COP has?
up till now, nobody can tell me what it is...

[vaio]

what is this new politics and new ideology of government that the COP has?
up till now, nobody can tell me what it is...

ask Bas, he did not like the idea... :mrgreen:

[peanut]

Nik, dem COP supporters eh even know :P :lol: :lol: :lol:

[trinibadman]

i cannot believe how people can be so. how is it that u would rather c bas leave politics than pat??

when PNM win, and COP people realize that they screwed themselves over, then they feel bad. but after a year or two after this election when things are even worse that they are now, the those same people who vote COP will be crying for UNCA. u don't c it now. but u will later.

i gave COP a chance but when dookeran, who is not a hindu, takes part in hindu rituals to fool voters into thinking that he is a hindu, i realize that he is not the one to get my vote. and when the COP say ramesh is the one that break up UNC( which is true), i ask them why is it u forget that ur own Baksh was his right hand man to break up the UNC. and i can not forget Ramlogan statement "Backward ******s"

if I am a "Backward ******" for realizing how stupid the COP is, then I am gladly that my brothers and sisters.


take care trinidad

[skl]

oh wow.

trinibadman join TODAY. make one post and basically repeat every Light said. :mrgreen:

[vaio]

hehehe....sad..

[Sumana]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/saudu/standtall.jpg

[scrunter]

I know this was asked already but I am going to ask it again....hypothetically speaking if PNM and UNCA get 20 seats each and COP 1 whose side the COP would join to form the government?

[Sirius]

I believe they said if that happens it's back to the polls.

@ sumana ...girl that image...if u watched 300 dat fellah lose bad u know...

[bluemellow]

Courtesy http://basdeopanday.wordpress.com/page/3/

:mrgreen: ;) :mrgreen: ;) :mrgreen: ;)

[vaio]

I believe they said if that happens it's back to the polls.

@ sumana ...girl that image...if u watched 300 dat fellah lose bad u know...

they ain't watch de movie... :mrgreen:

[Somebody007]

Its Panday we all want to see go out of politics tomorrow.

That is the whole story, reason, cause, purpose, goal.....


Panday must be removed at all costs. I doh care if COP or PNM wins, just remove Panday from Parliment please. Up to now, they have not cleaned up their mess at the Aranguez grounds.

[onetrini]

Panday did not help the UNCA by telling COP voters to go to hell and that if their family members are murdered in the future it's their fault. Panday should know you don't win votes like that.

[trinibadman]

Panday did not help the UNCA by telling COP voters to go to hell and that if their family members are murdered in the future it's their fault. Panday should know you don't win votes like that.

who cares about winning votes now?? why should panday care about winning votes now when the cop GIVE the pnm another 5 years rule?? i say it is not the cop voters but the leaders of the cop that should go to hell because they make people believe
that they had a better chance of winning the election that the unca.

[peanut]

Hey TBM, like MG will say, that is blasphemy :mrgreen:

[Harry Williamn]

It is sad that not a single one of you have said anything about what are the concrete plans to move Trinidad and Tobago Forward over the next five years ....it is all about the PARTY AND NOT THE PEOPLE AND THE COUNTRY.....IT IS THE OLD STRATEGEY OF DIVIDE AND RULE.
WHEN WILL YOU FOLKS WAKE UP AND PLACE TNT FIRST?

[vaio]

UNC supporters when will you open your eyes and stop blaming Dooks alone....is Bas the innocent one here....did he put country first...oh no, he put Bas first (yet again) :roll:

[snowbird]

Haven't read all the posts so I don't know if anyone suggested this, but in retrospect, maybe this thread should have been titled........

If the PNM Wins tomorrow Will the UNC Supporters feel Betrayed? because in actuality, that is exactly what happened.

[peanut]

Why would the UNC supporters feel betrayed when we knew the COP was the PNM "B" Team? They only proved us right, and they got their just reward as was predicted .. NOT A DAMN SEAT :roll: :roll:

[vaio]

Peanut, the UNC sayin the COP is the PNM - B team and the PNM sayin that the COP is the UNC - B team... like some ppl confused.... :P

[peanut]

Vaio, Months before the UNC branded the COP as the PNM "B" Team, based on the information I recieved, I told everyone here in the forum that the PNM was financing the COP. The UNC was not and we all know who did!

[vaio]

Vaio, Months before the UNC branded the COP as the PNM "B" Team, based on the information I recieved, I told everyone here in the forum that the PNM was financing the COP. The UNC was not and we all know who did!

who did?? :P

[peanut]

Focus here with me love, is not who finance the UNC, but rather who financed the COP and gave us reason to justify our accusations the COP is the PNM "B" Team.

[vaio]

buh i focussed.... :? i never say anytin abt financin the UNC......??? :?: Peanut...drink some coffee an come back nah... :lol: or rather take a red bull ;)

[peanut]

buh i focussed.... :? i never say anytin abt financin the UNC......??? :?: Peanut...drink some coffee an come back nah... :lol: or rather take a red bull ;)


A'll take the bull later ;) but for now absence is making the heart grow fonder :P and ah had coffe already ... that must be it :D

[vaio]

i feelin wicked so ah givin you some trouble...been up since before 4.00am...so yuh better watch out!!! :P

[King B]

That gas in peanuty head startng to escape. Who was financing the COP again

[TheLight]

That gas in peanuty head startng to escape. Who was financing the COP again

Check Patrick