Why Is COP Only Fighting the UNCA and Not the PNM?

[MahaHottie]

Don't COP candidates believe they can win PNM Seats? are they just going after UNC seats so they could have some opposition representation when the PNM Win? If as some say "the whole COP Initiative was an ellobrate plan my manning and his financial supporters to take away focus on the PNM Disastrous mis management of T&T and confuse people" then I say Manning iz ah genniuss cause Annand and Anil et al so busy raining fire and brimstone on the UNC that no one talking about the maddness going on in this Country for the past 6 years, no one talking about all the PNM Private companies, UTT Scandal, Crime, Poor Spending - no Gov't in the history of the region has spent as much money as the PNM in the past 6 years, with as little results.

[cm103]

Well they are but most of the work is being done on the ground and not on the platform. They are posing a threat to some PNM strongholds currently and it could go either way based on voter turnout.

[peanut]

CM, let me say this again, it is only the PNM and the PNMites could beat the PNM! It doh matter how much of a threat the COP pose, all of Diego Martin is PNM Country!

[cm103]

I said in another thread that the PNM will always have their support, but the Deigo you talking about changing. I living Deigo East almost all my life and the composition up on this side has been gradually shifting. The almost 10k leads the PNM used to enjoy in them areas have been seriously eroded.

If it's not the COP this year then it go be somebody else in another. No fortress stand forever.

[Parsifal]

I said in another thread that the PNM will always have their support, but the Deigo you talking about changing. I living Deigo East almost all my life and the composition up on this side has been gradually shifting. The almost 10k leads the PNM used to enjoy in them areas have been seriously eroded.

If it's not the COP this year then it go be somebody else in another. No fortress stand forever.

I agree that no fortress can stand forever.

However, the PNM voter margins and gross tallies have been increasing steadily since after 1986. Check the election results since 1991 for this and you will see a very definite trend.

[cm103]

True, but the UNC was unable to make any kind of significant headway into that region by appealing to the non PNM crowd who would rather not vote than to vote for Bas. When the COP was originally formed they targeted Diego with a series of cottage meetings, they actually were the first party to be invited into PNM strongholds by now former PNM party members in Diego East to talk. A lot of those former PNM members are now activists. This was almost a year ago.

I don't think we can go strictly on what history has told us so far. We haven't had 41 seats before and there are now 3 parties with strong followings.

I think its more a matter on voter turnout on Monday.

[cascadura]

cop is fighting unc-a because they are spoilers working in the interest of the pnm ... who have eyes can see...

who else stands to benefit... cop will never win any elections in tnt!

[cm103]

And the UNC fighting for opposition. Without Panday and RLM they would have gotten their united opposition and the PNM would have been on the back foot.

Why then did those two men stand in the way of putting the PNM out?

[TheLight]

Don't COP candidates believe they can win PNM Seats? are they just going after UNC seats so they could have some opposition representation when the PNM Win? If as some say "the whole COP Initiative was an ellobrate plan my manning and his financial supporters to take away focus on the PNM Disastrous mis management of T&T and confuse people" then I say Manning iz ah genniuss cause Annand and Anil et al so busy raining fire and brimstone on the UNC that no one talking about the maddness going on in this Country for the past 6 years, no one talking about all the PNM Private companies, UTT Scandal, Crime, Poor Spending - no Gov't in the history of the region has spent as much money as the PNM in the past 6 years, with as little results.
Don’t worry about it girl the people will decide tomorrow

[cascadura]

cm103
you are a naive what you know bout the history of the elder statesman fighter in the trenches: panday? where were u when there was the march for peace bread and justice... look cm1-3 shut up... unca is the only credible salvation of tnt!
let the equal opportunity act become a reality ... justice for all

[skl]

COp only fighting UNCA ? I coulda swear that COP fighting all 41 seats. and I dont think Rocky and Nicole have too many UNC to fight in Diego ....

[Parsifal]

True, but the UNC was unable to make any kind of significant headway into that region by appealing to the non PNM crowd who would rather not vote than to vote for Bas. When the COP was originally formed they targeted Diego with a series of cottage meetings, they actually were the first party to be invited into PNM strongholds by now former PNM party members in Diego East to talk. A lot of those former PNM members are now activists. This was almost a year ago.

I don't think we can go strictly on what history has told us so far. We haven't had 41 seats before and there are now 3 parties with strong followings.

I think its more a matter on voter turnout on Monday.

Agreed for the most part......with one caveat. Much of the anti-PNM support never trusted or liked Panday. To them he is worse than Eric Williams.

This is the old POPPG crowd and they have only really voted in large numbers in 1981 and 1986. They did not even come out in 1991 for the NAR. So don't be fooled by them. They are a very fickle bunch. They withdrew their financial support (in my opinion) from the COP after they realized that Panday was not finished yet.

....and to Cascadura...why are you telling cm103 to shut up? His views may differ from yours but this forum is for discussion and debate not silence.

[cm103]

Doh study cascadura, he/she is probably just Light with another screen name. You realize is the same one line broken record from them two?

Anyways, back to the conversation.

we getting somewhere here and you right about the old crowd, they know who they not voting for but every election is based on the chances the newcomers have and what they standing for.

I don't agree with the financial support aspect though. A number of businessmen have tried to make large donations to the COP and have been turned down, at least when I was there. The membership drives and fund raisers by party members bring in the meat and potatoes and allowed the ads and costs for campaigning. They didn't have money however to pay for all these artistes, transport for members and for all the glitz and glam that others spent their money on. I would dare say (my opinion and not based on any scientific observation) that the COP campaign this election would be on par with the way things were done previously. Other parties spent more on production this rounds though so by comparison it seems small.

[cm103]

cm103
you are a naive what you know bout the history of the elder statesman fighter in the trenches: panday? where were u when there was the march for peace bread and justice... look cm1-3 shut up... unca is the only credible salvation of tnt!
let the equal opportunity act become a reality ... justice for all

The elder stateman needs to realize when to hang it up and when he is actually more of a hindrance than a help.

Whether they are the only creditable salvation for TnT is subjective and if this is your attitude to those that take an opposing view then the UNC deserves your support in my opinion.

[peanut]

I said in another thread that the PNM will always have their support, but the Deigo you talking about changing. I living Deigo East almost all my life and the composition up on this side has been gradually shifting. The almost 10k leads the PNM used to enjoy in them areas have been seriously eroded.

If it's not the COP this year then it go be somebody else in another. No fortress stand forever.

I agree that no fortress can stand forever.

However, the PNM voter margins and gross tallies have been increasing steadily since after 1986. Check the election results since 1991 for this and you will see a very definite trend.

I lived in Diego for a considerable period of time, my uncle Paul Madoo [God rest his soul] and his family have live on what is now Cicada Extention Rd all of their lives, and Diego Martin is PNM Country!

[Parsifal]

Doh study cascadura, he/she is probably just Light with another screen name. You realize is the same one line broken record from them two?

Anyways, back to the conversation.

we getting somewhere here and you right about the old crowd, they know who they not voting for but every election is based on the chances the newcomers have and what they standing for.

I don't agree with the financial support aspect though. A number of businessmen have tried to make large donations to the COP and have been turned down, at least when I was there. The membership drives and fund raisers by party members bring in the meat and potatoes and allowed the ads and costs for campaigning. They didn't have money however to pay for all these artistes, transport for members and for all the glitz and glam that others spent their money on. I would dare say (my opinion and not based on any scientific observation) that the COP campaign this election would be on par with the way things were done previously. Other parties spent more on production this rounds though so by comparison it seems small.

I take your point on the rejection of large donations from wealthy special interests. There are some family run businesses who give upwards of $500k to both PNM and UNC to safeguard their interests.

So if the COP rejected these types of donations then they are to be commended for it.

[cascadura]

i agree with you parsifal- i bow in humility
i am in error for asking cm103 to shut up i apologise...
nevertheless silence.. may well be a best way of concealing ignorance...
how can ones deny the years of struggle by leaders as panday in the trenches...where were these who pretend to know the best choice when the pnm eric williams police was tear gassing citizens on coffee street

long live the memory of

cola renzi
george padmore
heny sylvester williams
tu buzz butler
george weeks
clr james
gene miles
elma francois
etherline roberts

all who served so that our people may be able to be today...

let the workers hold the rein of power!


me say...
vote the unc-a led by the stalwart basdeo panday a veteran in the trenches.and his comrades.....

[scrunter]

I may not like the man per say but I love his ideology.

I was told dat one interesat group called ANSa something withdrew its financial support from de COP because they refused to form the coalition with the UNCA....I wonder if that is true?

[cascadura]

plus...
diego may have been a strong hold of pnm ...i not living there dese days.. but i am sure that nutten would change under cop... they are out to serve their masters -faceless financiers who have only their interests at heart-profits at all costs...
doks is a puppet... cop moving ahead in dem dem hearse..(remember abu bark wanted dooks as pm in 1990_HUH)

spoilers...serving the pnm

diego destined for change but not under cop farless pnm who reigned there for years///

pretenders wanting to use the university of woodford square for dem mamaguy

really yesterday rally for the cop was ah cartrunk party... where some men gather huddling over the car booth for rum...

why cop aint hold a rally or party in the central/??? hummm aspiring to be ah town party...
doh mek me laugh you CO(r)P (SE) pretenders!!!!!

[cm103]

i agree with you parsifal- i bow in humility
i am in error for asking cm103 to shut up i apologise...
nevertheless silence.. may well be a best way of concealing ignorance...
how can ones deny the years of struggle by leaders as panday in the trenches...where were these who pretend to know the best choice when the pnm eric williams police was tear gassing citizens on coffee street

long live the memory of

cola renzi
george padmore
heny sylvester williams
tu buzz butler
george weeks
clr james
gene miles
elma francois
etherline roberts

all who served so that our people may be able to be today...

let the workers hold the rein of power!


me say...
vote the unc-a led by the stalwart basdeo panday a veteran in the trenches.and his comrades.....

Thank you cascadura, in the heat of political discussion sometimes we lose ourselves. Doh study it.

While we should never forget the past we should look forward to the future. Panday is not part of that future but through his struggles he did help shape it. He may not realize when to hang it up but we as a people should know how to take ourselves forward and not rely on any one man or any one party to do it.

We are looking for caretakers of the nation's wealth, not fathers to tell us what to do. We are running into 50 years of independence now, time to grow up and leave home as a people.

[cascadura]

ok cm103
i am ready !are you qualified to lead?

" Like diplomats clutching their valises,
The songbirds, my love, await their next posting.
...
Say you find such florid statements strange.
Familiar, though, this intrepid brood
Setting off to breast the winds and draw the curtains,
Little troublemakers, pedantic twitters,
Stringing their requiems across the western sky...."


Shadow Cabinet
by Richard Sanger
Signal Editions / Vehicule Press, 1996

[cm103]

If I thought I was I would throw my hat in the ring. As it stands I have a civic duty to vote for those that I see are fit to lead.

[peanut]

If I thought I was I would throw my hat in the ring. As it stands I have a civic duty to vote for those that I see are fit to lead.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but will you make your vote count or will be it be a wasted vote?

[skl]

If I thought I was I would throw my hat in the ring. As it stands I have a civic duty to vote for those that I see are fit to lead.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but will you make your vote count or will be it be a wasted vote?

eh have no such thing as a wasted vote.

[cm103]

A vote is never wasted if it is for the candidate and/or party that you choose.

[peanut]

Oh yes there is! What would you call a vote for any political party when you know that party is not going to win and the only purpose it will serve is to help those you oppose? I call that a wasted vote.

[MahaHottie]

A wasted vote is one in which you're oblivious of the consequences: for example -

if you are voting for COP, and also want the PNM as a second choice - then you're doing the right thing, and power to you.

If you're voting COP, but would still rather see the UNC in power than the PNM, then the vote for COP will be most likely wasted in light of the current course of events

[Sirius]

Don't COP candidates believe they can win PNM Seats? are they just going after UNC seats so they could have some opposition representation when the PNM Win? If as some say "the whole COP Initiative was an ellobrate plan my manning and his financial supporters to take away focus on the PNM Disastrous mis management of T&T and confuse people" then I say Manning iz ah genniuss cause Annand and Anil et al so busy raining fire and brimstone on the UNC that no one talking about the maddness going on in this Country for the past 6 years, no one talking about all the PNM Private companies, UTT Scandal, Crime, Poor Spending - no Gov't in the history of the region has spent as much money as the PNM in the past 6 years, with as little results.

I don't know how COP's campaigning in the southland and central has been, but where I live almost everything they have is attacking the PNM without one peep at the UNCA. They hit them hard on the platform and they put out ads saying the UNCA is the one splitting the vote and not them. But all the placards that have been placed all over Diego and the Savannah, all the light-up road signs, etc. have all been attacking the PNM and not UNCA. I suppose the tactic would depend on whether the constituency in question is a UNC or PNM stronghold.

[Maccogirl]

Well if someone can convince me that this fool Rocky Garcia will be a asset to the parliament I may change my vote but this man is a total idiot, and if I had to chose between him an Rowley I don't know how in heavens I can go stain my finger for Rocky, I mean come on you people just cannot be serious, to think Rocky is this great find you have to be kidding :lol:

This is what the COP put up against Keith, Keith is no baby in politics regardless if you like him or not, to bring Rock and feel yes we will win this seat has to be a joke, why the COP did not put someone like Vernon De Lima to run against Keith, but Rocky oh please the COP must really not want to win this seat at all. :D

[Sirius]

Macco, since you seem to be thrilled about the crowd sizes lately, it may interest you to know that Rowley has been getting a very poor turnout here in Diego.

@ MahaHottie; another thing is this...ok, if you want to see COP is splitting the chances of ejecting PNM in the marginals...consider that the UNC does very badly in Diego all the time. Hell, last time Rocky Garcia got 1200 votes under a nobody Citizen's Alliance Diego West ticket while UNC only scrambled a bit over 2000. In Diego Central UNCA is a dead party, while Nicole Dyer under COP is very popular and actually has a shot at her seat. Can you give me a good reason why I should vote UNCA, when the COP is the one with infinitely greater chances of running the PNM out of my constituency?

[cm103]

A wasted vote is one that isn't used. If you don't vote then you accept whatever is thrown at you.

Stand up and make a difference by taking part in the selection of this country's leaders and your vote will not be wasted. You have stood up for what you believe.

[Sirius]

A wasted vote is one that isn't used. If you don't vote then you accept whatever is thrown at you.

Stand up and make a difference by taking part in the selection of this country's leaders and your vote will not be wasted. You have stood up for what you believe.

Well said.

[MahaHottie]

Macco, since you seem to be thrilled about the crowd sizes lately, it may interest you to know that Rowley has been getting a very poor turnout here in Diego.

@ MahaHottie; another thing is this...ok, if you want to see COP is splitting the chances of ejecting PNM in the marginals...consider that the UNC does very badly in Diego all the time. Hell, last time Rocky Garcia got 1200 votes under a nobody Citizen's Alliance Diego West ticket while UNC only scrambled a bit over 2000. In Diego Central UNCA is a dead party, while Nicole Dyer under COP is very popular and actually has a shot at her seat. Can you give me a good reason why I should vote UNCA, when the COP is the one with infinitely greater chances of running the PNM out of my constituency?

Because the last time I counted 2000 +1200 does not equate to 1/5 of the PNM vote in that area - look no further than the "Make your prediction poll Topic" to realise than at least 99% of the people on this forum believe that the PNM will win this Election with the 8+ Marginals making the difference

Sirius if you honestly believe COP will win enough seats to win the election, I have a bridge and some swamp land to sell... check meh :mrgreen:

[peanut]

Macco, since you seem to be thrilled about the crowd sizes lately, it may interest you to know that Rowley has been getting a very poor turnout here in Diego.

@ MahaHottie; another thing is this...ok, if you want to see COP is splitting the chances of ejecting PNM in the marginals...consider that the UNC does very badly in Diego all the time. Hell, last time Rocky Garcia got 1200 votes under a nobody Citizen's Alliance Diego West ticket while UNC only scrambled a bit over 2000. In Diego Central UNCA is a dead party, while Nicole Dyer under COP is very popular and actually has a shot at her seat. Can you give me a good reason why I should vote UNCA, when the COP is the one with infinitely greater chances of running the PNM out of my constituency?

Because the last time I counted 2000 +1200 does not equate to 1/5 of the PNM vote in that area - look no further than the "Make your prediction poll Topic" to realise than at least 99% of the people on this forum believe that the PNM will win this Election with the 8+ Marginals making the difference

Sirius if you honestly believe COP will win enough seats to win the election, I have a bridge and some swamp land to sell... check meh :mrgreen:


But yuh didn't see I have a FOR SALE sign on the VERRAZANO BRIDGE.

[MahaHottie]

A wasted vote is one that isn't used. If you don't vote then you accept whatever is thrown at you.

Stand up and make a difference by taking part in the selection of this country's leaders and your vote will not be wasted. You have stood up for what you believe.

Agreed - at this point based on the seniment in all parts of this forum - everyone should be in agreement that - If you believe in Mr. Manning vote for the PNM or COP, if not ban your belly and vote for the UNC.

After looking at all the predictions daz wah it comez down too

[Maccogirl]

Right Rocky got 1267 votes in the last election, but the other CA candidates running in the D/Martin area got 650 votes each you did not note that fact. Rocky got these 1267 votes simply because he is a little white boy and the Westmorring, Victoria Gardens, Bay shore white supported him. His support was not the grass root of D/Martin.

The other UNC Candidates even though they did not win they all got over 2500 votes each so check your facts CA got 2518 votes in the three D/Martin areas, UNC got 7577 votes while the PNM pooled 37622 votes among their three candidates.

Looking at all the COP don't have a chance in hell of winning any of these three seat s :roll:

[cm103]

Well to a point. I don't believe that Panday and Jack are the more suitable candidates to replace Manning and the PNM. That is one of the many reason why I'm not voting for them. The sentiments of this forum don't reflect the population at large Maha.

The whole voting for COP is you believe in Manning is plenty UNC sponsored propaganda. How all them former UNC members in the COP, who left on their own accord I might add, suddenly go side with the PNM?

The whole issue it seems is in the eyes of the voters on voting seems to run down to this. Some see it as a deterrent to certain parties and some see it as a mean to a better way of governance.

[Sirius]

Because the last time I counted 2000 +1200 does not equate to 1/5 of the PNM vote in that area - look no further than the "Make your prediction poll Topic" to realise than at least 99% of the people on this forum believe that the PNM will win this Election with the 8+ Marginals making the difference

Sirius if you honestly believe COP will win enough seats to win the election, I have a bridge and some swamp land to sell... check meh :mrgreen:

Never said I think they'll win. But in MY constituency, they have a better shot than UNCA. I also can't bring myself to vote for UNCA. It is led by Panday who was once convicted, currently awaits retrial, and is every bit the maximum leader Manning is. He is even more wayward than Manning. The party is suddenly co-led by Jack Warner doesn't come off as a very good leader at all. It is the party that built up Kamla as a potential boss leader and then shafted her aside. The party has welcomed back with open arms the same man who lost it government in 2001, and we STILL don't have a good explanation even after all that time.

I'm sorry but all that in mind one has to wonder if the UNC truly is any better than the PNM. I've said time and time again: I will not swap one bad party for another. I'll show my support for one that even if it can't win, closer matches my ideologies. The whole reason we have this PNM/UNC mess today is because we as a people just keep on voting for this "better of two evils" stupidness. And you want me to continue that trend? No thanks. The more support COP gets is the better chance it has of lasting through this elections and becoming a serious candidate for governance in the next rounds. I'm not going to throw away my vote behind another party that has had a chance and proven itself to be hell.

[peanut]

CM, politians are creatures of habit, they will swing to anyside they either believe will unseat the incumbent Gov't or will have the most to gain by splitting votes.

[Sirius]

Another thing I should add: 2000 + 1200 does not get even close to the number of PNM votes. But the COP has bled off a lot of PNM support in my area. I know a lot of people with their entire families who were once PNM who are now voting COP. The mistake being made in judging the COP is assuming that they are only taking votes away from the UNC base. They're taking from the PNM as well in a fair few constituencies.

[Maccogirl]

Sirius if you say they now have a better chance the UNC candidates did beat the CA candidates the last time around and the votes are there to see, so what make you feel that things will change now.

As for voting COP to give them hope to stick around what nonsense is that, when I have to face traffic, high food prices and crime I will give COP my vote to keep them around for 5 years while I ketch my tail for 5 years, sorry not me nah COP have not given me any guarantee that they sticking around.

If they lose and they have a desire to make this place better no one needs to give them a prop to hold the line, so what happened when Manning got 3 seats or Panday got a good cut tail in the pass, for years they fighting for government win or lose while the public laugh, snicker and had a good time over their lost, they stuck it out and kept fighting for the cause.

How many people in the COP are career politicians?? All of this have some kind of other lifestyle they never struggled nothing they just got together formed a party through lets get Panday out, that was their cause and that has nothing to do with fighting for the nation or a better life for people.

[Sirius]

Sirius if you say they now have a better chance the UNC candidates did beat the CA candidates the last time around and the votes are there to see, so what make you feel that things will change now.

CA was a nothing party without a following, and attracted a good few votes in comparison to UNC. That to me says that people in this area want a change but not from the UNC camp. With the COP as a party with a big following, and seeing for myself the reception the COP receives in my constituency, I know they have a far better shot at unseating the PNM from the Diego seats than the UNC ever did. Comparing CA to COP is comparing apples to oranges, but you can look at how the CA performed as a nobody party to indicate how the people of the constituency will vote to alternative forces. If CA was able to pull at least some semblance of support and they were nothing, you know very well the COP can give the PNM a race for their money here. Take off the UNC blinds for a moment - this ain't a UNC constituency or even close to one.


As for voting COP to give them hope to stick around what nonsense is that, when I have to face traffic, high food prices and crime I will give COP my vote to keep them around for 5 years while I ketch my tail for 5 years, sorry not me nah COP have not given me any guarantee that they sticking around.

Because I'm voting for the long term. We have always voted the better of two evils to run the country for the next 5 years, and it has resulted in disaster for us as a nation. I'm sorry but if I have to sacrifice a measly 5 years to ensure a long term change, I'll do it. ONR stuck around long enough to unite with ULF and flush out the PNM in 1986, this after not winning a single seat in 1981. So don't tell me a party cannot stick around and be powerful without winning a seat. It's been done before.


If they lose and they have a desire to make this place better no one needs to give them a prop to hold the line, so what happened when Manning got 3 seats or Panday got a good cut tail in the pass, for years they fighting for government win or lose while the public laugh, snicker and had a good time over their lost, they stuck it out and kept fighting for the cause.

A show of support means the party knows it has a reason to stick around. If they sit there without support, you think they have any motivation to keep on going? Smart people know when to pack up and call it a day. It makes no sense for a party to stick around if they know they don't have a snowballs chance in hell next time. If they get high support, then even without any seats they know they attracted a significant base and can pull off something the next rounds.


How many people in the COP are career politicians?? All of this have some kind of other lifestyle they never struggled nothing they just got together formed a party through lets get Panday out, that was their cause and that has nothing to do with fighting for the nation or a better life for people.

We've had decades of career politicians and paid hell for it. You really think I WANT a party of career politicians? I want people who go in, do what they have to do and then call it a day to pursue other endeavors in life and let someone else take the reins. Forget about using this argument with me: I don't think career politicians are a good thing.

[peanut]

So Dookeran, Baksh, Yeming etc are not career politicians :?:

[Maccogirl]

Sadiq may be because of his years in the UNC and so on, Yetming he only in this thing because of what ever happened to him at Royal Bank, Dookeran he only in politics because of Panday brining him in and giving him life other than that he is nothing.

[Sirius]

Dookeran isn't a career politican, no. He returned to a non-political life for many years after the NAR administration. Baksh and Yetming might be considered so, but I'm not going to judge the entire party by a few. Do you honestly expect me to cast judgment on a party based on one pro or one con instead of weighing the good against the bad? Don't be ridiculous. Instead of looking for potshots, why not try addressing the issues raised in my post?

Can anyone tell me why I should waste my vote on the UNCA when they have no support in my area and have been in power and failed, when there is another well supported party with a manifesto I can agree with that can actually stand a chance of winning the constituency?

You all talk about wasting votes, yet you want me to back the joke of a UNCA in a constituency where a dry up squid with a stamp on its back have a better chance than it? Please.

[gaia]

better of two evils" stupidness. And you want me to continue that trend? No thanks. The more support COP gets is the better chance it has of lasting through this elections and becoming a serious candidate for governance in the next rounds. I'm not going to throw away my vote behind another party that has had a chance and proven itself to be hell.
Have you ever wished things just were?
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BRAVO, WELL SAID!!! i WITH YOU ALL DE WAY.

[peanut]

Did I look for potshots? I asked a question ... I don't care who you cast your vote for and meh eh try to convince you to change your vote, just doh try to convince me that the COP is the party that has the solution to the Country's problem and what a winning team it is when most everyone is predicting not a damn seat for them

[deathwinger]

Follow this process and we shall not see a PNM government


In PNM strongholds, everyone vote COP (except Tobago, let DAC do the work there)
In UNC strongholds, everyone vote UNC-A
In Tobago, everyone vote DAC/TUF
In marginals, everyone vote UNC-A.

Simple as that, in the end, we all win.

[peanut]

Is not a matter that we all win inno, is who go form the Gov't, and who is to tell the COP won't form an alliance with the PNM :?:

[Sirius]

Did I look for potshots? I asked a question ... I don't care who you cast your vote for and meh eh try to convince you to change your vote, just doh try to convince me that the COP is the party that has the solution to the Country's problem and what a winning team it is when most everyone is predicting not a damn seat for them

Well that's easy to do, I never tried to convince you it was winning. I said they could pick up a couple odd seats if they're lucky. You on the other hand seem bent on convincing everyone that UNCA is the best thing since sliced bread.

With regards to solving the country's problems though, the COP has stated how it intends to go about alleviation of crime and poverty, how it intends to improve the education sector, etc. All I've heard from both the PNM and UNCA camps is that they intend to do something about these, but not HOW they'll do it. So I really can't argue with nor support their positions when their positions are not known, can I? I have received more handouts from COP than I know what to do with telling me not just the what, but the how. I haven't gotten a single thing in my hand from PNM or UNCA telling me their how.

Do you see my predicament with supporting either of these parties? They have both seen the halls of power and failed miserably at it, yet they want another shot and can't even give me something telling me how they intend to fix the country's problems.

[Parsifal]

All of this talk about Diego Martin and what the UNC did and what the CA did is really quite amusing.

To understand Diego Martin all you have to do is look at the 1991 results and extrapolate the NAR vote versus the PNM vote.

The best in either of the three constituencies that the COP will be getting is 4,500 and that is being generous.

Do not try and extrapolate the upper and upper middle vote....you will only fool yourselves.

If the COP had such a resonance in Diego Martin then by a similar token they would be in strong position on POS North/St. Anns West and also holding their own in Sando West.....neither scenario has happened.

The COP meetings in Diego Martin started to fall off very badly after the PNM settled down and Amery Browne was selected for Diego Martin Central.

The PNM vote is not only solid....I think the COP challenge is going to drive it up again.....just as is happening all over Trinidad.....The PNM rally yesterday was the largest single outdoor event that has ever been seen.

If we are to judge by this then some out there are in for a very rude awakening because something has been happening on the ground while the UNCA and the COP have been slugging it out.

[MahaHottie]

Nothing wrong with wanting the PNM or the UNC to win - every one has to vote according to his/her concience -

But call ah spade ah spade - we all know the UNC have at least 14 seats they need to win 7 marginals to win - so the brass tax of it all is vote COP or PNM means PNM for the next 5 years

It should all be about awareness, after knowing that fact fully be empowered to go out and choose to let the PNM back in through a COP vote if that's your belief, but do it with full awareness and thought

[Sirius]

That is possibly very true Parsifal. Though, while it is true PNM support is building in Diego Central (pity, since that's my constituency), Rowley's support in West has been wanning quite badly. As for Diego East, I don't think COP has any chance there. In either case, consider that the UNC couldn't even get that 4500 votes you talk about last time. 4500 is about double what the UNC pulled. If you were anti-PNM and living in Diego, would you vote for the UNCA or COP to unseat the PNM?

The logical choice there is COP...yet there are these people doing like the world will end if I don't vote UNCA. UNCA in Diego is a non entity.

[Sirius]

Nothing wrong with wanting the PNM or the UNC to win - every one has to vote according to his/her concience -

But call ah spade ah spade - we all know the UNC have at least 14 seats they need to win 7 marginals to win - so the brass tax of it all is vote COP or PNM means PNM for the next 5 years

It should all be about awareness, after knowing that fact fully be empowered to go out and choose to let the PNM back in through a COP vote if that's your belief, but do it with full awareness and thought

You haven't addressed my point. Why should I vote for UNCA in a constituency where COP is better poised to oust the PNM? UNCA is a non entity in my part of the country. You seem to think the UNCA is a force to be reckoned with in every part of the country. That is not so. There are constituencies where the COP is far ahead of the UNCA, and in those it is voting for the UNCA that ensures a PNM victory.

Even more to the point, check what I said before. UNCA has been there and failed. UNCA has not given me one iota telling me how they intend to address the problems facing us. UNCA is headed by a man who refuses to let go of the reins of power and mashed up the government and the party as a result. You really expect me to think that is the best available option for our country? Not a chance. I'm more afraid of Panday back in power than Manning!

[peanut]

UNC will retain the 15 seats they had ..they will win BonAir/Lopinot, Mayaro, Chaguanas West. That is 18 sure sure seats.

Even though the COP is the spoiler in the other Marginals, it is too close to call. There is a good possibility PNM will lose Tobago East to the DUF/DAC.

[MahaHottie]

Nothing wrong with wanting the PNM or the UNC to win - every one has to vote according to his/her concience -

But call ah spade ah spade - we all know the UNC have at least 14 seats they need to win 7 marginals to win - so the brass tax of it all is vote COP or PNM means PNM for the next 5 years

It should all be about awareness, after knowing that fact fully be empowered to go out and choose to let the PNM back in through a COP vote if that's your belief, but do it with full awareness and thought

You haven't addressed my point. Why should I vote for UNCA in a constituency where COP is better poised to oust the PNM? UNCA is a non entity in my part of the country. You seem to think the UNCA is a force to be reckoned with in every part of the country. That is not so. There are constituencies where the COP is far ahead of the UNCA, and in those it is voting for the UNCA that ensures a PNM victory.

Even more to the point, check what I said before. UNCA has been there and failed. UNCA has not given me one iota telling me how they intend to address the problems facing us. UNCA is headed by a man who refuses to let go of the reins of power and mashed up the government and the party as a result. You really expect me to think that is the best available option for our country? Not a chance. I'm more afraid of Panday back in power than Manning!

Of course that's your view - "Manning is a better choice than Panday", and I believe you'r doing the right thing. I'm saying that this election (like many before) will come down to the Marginals, and those with your view should vote for the COP or the UNC.

However if, like me you believe that Panday is a better choice than Manning (although Dooks iz your first choice) vote for the UNCA with your eyes wide open

[Maccogirl]

Yet there are these people doing like the world will end if I don't vote UNCA. UNCA in Diego is a non entity.

COP is a non entity in all 41 seats so how come COP people don't want to vote UNCA to move the PNM ???

[Parsifal]

UNC will retain the 15 seats they had ..they will win BonAir/Lopinot, Mayaro, Chaguanas West. That is 18 sure sure seats.

Even though the COP is the spoiler in the other Marginals, it is too close to call. There is a good possibility PNM will lose Tobago East to the DUF/DAC.

The Lopinot/Bon Air West "marginal" talk is really in Bisram's mind. I did a tally of the polling divisions that now make it up....like what Bishnu Ragoonath has been doing in the Guardian. The PNM has been beating the UNC 2.75 : 1 here since 2000. Put the COP into the mix and you see that it is not even close.

Neil (fellow CIC Old Boy!) has run the 2nd best campaign in the Corridor. The best campaign has probably been Kennedy Swarathsingh in St. Joseph. He is 2nd only to Christine Kangaloo on the platform as well in my opinion. So I don't see here as a problem. His contingent was the 3rd largest at yesterday's rally.

With regard to the TUF/DAC in Tobago East they have to offset the 2,050 vote lead that the PNM has built up. There are 4 candidates in the race so the anti-PNM vote is being cut up even more.

I hope that all posters now note that the "closeness" of the cited races is coming only from NACTA which has lost a great deal of credibility as Bisram cannot produce any of his tabulated data. I think he has become a case of the Emporer without his clothes....sad though because I used to find his polls instructive and informative but it now seems that he has been going on "gut" feelings all along while trying to give himself an air of scientific respectability.

Where the UNCA has a problem is in Cumuto/Manzanilla. Wendy Lee Yuen has pulled and has been retaining alot of the traditional UNC support. Harry Partap has been jolted out of his slumber and is now in a real battle with Lennox Sirjuesingh as a result.

I cannot comment on Mayaro....no one really seems to know what is going on down there.

[Sirius]

Well that's also your constitutional choice and you should exercise such. In a democracy we will always have opposing views, but at the end of the day there should not be animosity because of it. Once elections are over and done with the country has to just get back to work.

For me, I only wished Panday had stepped aside and let Kamla lead. But what has me more disappointed with the UNCA is that they seem to be only about hurling insults and stage theatrics. I have received plenty of COP literature telling me what they want to do and how they want to do it, and even a constituency manifesto in addition to the full party manifesto. I have not received anything from the PNM but at least when I hear them campaigning I hear about their plans mingled with the entertainment. The UNCA tend to spend their meetings with a chunk taken up by entertainment and then spending the rest of the time attacking COP. Meanwhile, I haven't been handed anything detailing their plans.

For my personal vote, I haven't gotten anything from UNCA to encourage me why I should let them get a chance. To me, if they can't tell me their plans while they campaign, how can I expect them to do anything once in office? Do you see why I can't find a good rationale to support the UNCA for government?


Yet there are these people doing like the world will end if I don't vote UNCA. UNCA in Diego is a non entity.

COP is a non entity in all 41 seats so how come COP people don't want to vote UNCA to move the PNM ???


If the COP is a non-entity in the PNM areas and pulling more support than the UNCA, then where does that leave the UNCA? Look at it from the view of someone living in a PNM area where COP has more support than UNCA, where UNCA is so invisible that even finding a UNC sticker on a wall is hard to come by, where all I see of the UNCA is seeing and hearing them lambaste people on televised rallies and throw concerts, where most of what I have to go by is that they splintered a year into their second term and lost office only to splinter again last year, and tell me why on Earth I should vote for UNCA still headed by the same leader who saw all that and was supposedly going to step aside after losing the 2002 elections.

[Maccogirl]

Sirius you I dont care who you vote for but at least I would appreciate some honesty in your views. If you say UNCA did not tell you of their plans maybe its because you were too busy listening to COP. First Kamal was the first person to mention the reduction of VAT on the platform to 7.5% then Dookeran followed with a VAT free Tobago, and when to him that did not make much sense he came with 10% VAT reduction. That is just one instance right there about issues on the platform from the UNCA.

As for the bashing on the platform it goes on both sides and I have heard some crap coming for the COP platform that is downright nasty if you want to pit it against Panday calling the cop corpse. Instances where people wifes and daughters came into this thing, we even had the donkey and goat preference so its both sides.

If you were interested in UNCA plans you would of done like most do get a manifesto they are online, I took a read of the COP and PNM so what is the big deal about information once you can read you don't need anyone to tell you what they can do or not do.

At this point it does not matter but for god sake be honest, it's all over now someone will win, someone will form the opposition and the other well that is left to be see what happens to them. If its the PNM or UNCA that is left out am sure these parties will survive to come back again,and that work for these parties will start from the 6th November. I cant talk for you party as to what they will do if they are left out.

All I ask at this point no need to add or take away anything from any party just lets keep it fair and balanced.

[Parsifal]

The more I think about NACTA the more I understand how they have entered our national psyche to such an extent....they say the things we want to hear when we want to hear it.

For example if I say an obvious truth but treat with it as an axiom....say, the sky is blue. I don't have to prove that the sky is blue....just have to say it. I then keep on doing this over and over again..."the sky is blue it is really really really blue".

Then I come and say it maybe a bit green....then I say it really might be green in truth!

I then close off by saying that I have been right so many times in the past about the colour of the sky......and of course I also add that I am not connected or affiliated in any way with the clouds or the stars that inhabit the sky!....so believe everything I tell you.

It took WinTV to out him and to a lesser extent Anil Roberts.

[Sirius]

Sirius you I dont care who you vote for but at least I would appreciate some honesty in your views. If you say UNCA did not tell you of their plans maybe its because you were too busy listening to COP. First Kamal was the first person to mention the reduction of VAT on the platform to 7.5% then Dookeran followed with a VAT free Tobago, and when to him that did not make much sense he came with 10% VAT reduction. That is just one instance right there about issues on the platform from the UNCA.

As for the bashing on the platform it goes on both sides and I have heard some crap coming for the COP platform that is downright nasty if you want to pit it against Panday calling the cop corpse. Instances where people wifes and daughters came into this thing, we even had the donkey and goat preference so its both sides.

If you were interested in UNCA plans you would of done like most do get a manifesto they are online, I took a read of the COP and PNM so what is the big deal about information once you can read you don't need anyone to tell you what they can do or not do.

At this point it does not matter but for god sake be honest, it's all over now someone will win, someone will form the opposition and the other well that is left to be see what happens to them. If its the PNM or UNCA that is left out am sure these parties will survive to come back again,and that work for these parties will start from the 6th November. I cant talk for you party as to what they will do if they are left out.

All I ask at this point no need to add or take away anything from any party just lets keep it fair and balanced.

Wrong there Macco. I'm not talking about what info you can get if you hang around and listen through their entire political meetings which quite frankly I don't have time for especially when so much time is wasted on entertainment I don't want to see. I want to hear the politics not listen to music and watch dance. Nor do I want to go scouring through the full manifesto unless I've heard tidbits that interest me to find out more.

COP has been coming up to me at traffic lights and to my house handing me literature detailing all their plans. I did not have to go hunting for it. The UNCA has not done this in my area.

[Sirius]

Here is how it all comes off, to me as a voter in Diego Central:

COP: We're new, but we intend to change things for the better. If you don't like what we do, vote us back out but give us a chance to do right where the others did wrong. Take these summaries of our plans, read it for yourself and decide.

PNM: Yes we replaced Valley, but we're putting out a fresh new candidate. This is a candidate who walks the area and talks to people and puts out a positive image that wants a better Diego Martin.

UNCA: Meh. Just vote for us.

That's as honest as it gets. And UNCA expects me to vote for them? What a joke!

[sylvestter]

Here is how it all comes off, to me as a voter in Diego Central:

COP: We're new, but we intend to change things for the better. If you don't like what we do, vote us back out but give us a chance to do right where the others did wrong. Take these summaries of our plans, read it for yourself and decide.

PNM: Yes we replaced Valley, but we're putting out a fresh new candidate. This is a candidate who walks the area and talks to people and puts out a positive image that wants a better Diego Martin.

UNCA: Meh. Just vote for us.

That's as honest as it gets. And UNCA expects me to vote for them? What a joke!

exactly the same in port-of-spain south.

pnm's marlene mcdonald has been completely absent throughout the campaign in st. james and woodbrook. i suppose she's SURE that beetham and east port-of-spain will give her the win, so why bother to campaign?

unca's anthony sammy has been around and around, shaking hands and his entourage is telling people 'well the cop have no chance'. apparently that's the sole basis upon which people should vote for him.

cop's sharon-ann goupaul mcnicol has been campaigning aggressively and has partnered with the candidates of the 'fantastic four' constituencies: pos north/st. anns west, laventille east and laventille west on a programme of urban rebirth to revitalize the city and to regularize residential housing and recreational areas.

why would i vote for anybody else?

[MahaHottie]

Here is how it all comes off, to me as a voter in Diego Central:

COP: We're new, but we intend to change things for the better. If you don't like what we do, vote us back out but give us a chance to do right where the others did wrong. Take these summaries of our plans, read it for yourself and decide.

PNM: Yes we replaced Valley, but we're putting out a fresh new candidate. This is a candidate who walks the area and talks to people and puts out a positive image that wants a better Diego Martin.

UNCA: Meh. Just vote for us.

That's as honest as it gets. And UNCA expects me to vote for them? What a joke!

True and Dr. Brown rocks - if I were you I'd vote for the PNM, if all of Trinidad would be managed by Diego Martin :lol:

it's unfortunate that the UNC haven't being doing a good job of bringing their message to you - but for me having been to a few of their meetings, I think they have a pretty strong message, early on I found they were talking about the issues that affect me - mainly crime and traffic -

If Mr. Manning could convince me that he could reduce crime and curb traffic, I'd vote for him in D morning (literaly :lol: )

If Dooks could look me in the eye an tell me he genuinely believe he could win - and change his policy on dealing with poverty, and keep the rapid rail project, I'd vote for him. - but seriously if he told me this I'd probably ask for some of what he was smoking

[vaio]

and the same here in Fyzabad...Sharma is just a fool with nothing useful to say about his plans...unlike the COP candidate...and i must give it to the PNM candidate as well...with nothing much to say....in fact i have received a plan for the Fyzabad constituency in my mail box...what did i get from UNC & PNM...just a set of posters on my walls :roll:

[skl]

all I hearing about crime from the UNC is if UNC lose "they go rape meh daughter and kill meh son."

[MahaHottie]

Ha Ha... everybody iz ah comedian

But seriously - I genuinly live under fear of crime and spend 4 hours in traffic every day, and to be honest when it comes down to brass tax.....daz wha I voting 4

[sylvestter]

additionally, in several constituencies, the COP's presence and support is making the pnm get off their backsides to campaign where they perceive a threat - case in point daniel solomon vs gary hunte. amery brown vs nicole dyer. kennedy swaratsingh vs gillian lucky....

[skl]

Ha Ha... everybody iz ah comedian

But seriously - I genuinly live under fear of crime and spend 4 hours in traffic every day, and to be honest when it comes down to brass tax.....daz wha I voting 4

my point is i eh here any UNC anti crime plan....just a lot of fear mongering and threats. whereas the COP have a 100pt crime plan.

[peanut]

Well I have 1 plan .. Do what Stalin say and BUN DEM!

[MahaHottie]

Great, and if ah thought they could win I'd look at it more closely and vote for them - but right now I feel that I only have a choice between the PNM and UNCA crime plans

Again if Dooks could look me in D eye an say he genuinely believe COP will win - ah go vote for COP and we'll sit down an smoke that shizt together

[kemist]

UNC will retain the 15 seats they had ..they will win BonAir/Lopinot, Mayaro, Chaguanas West. That is 18 sure sure seats.

Even though the COP is the spoiler in the other Marginals, it is too close to call. There is a good possibility PNM will lose Tobago East to the DUF/DAC.

I too thought chaguanas was a unc seat for sure but after seeing whats going on and speaking to people in the charlieville area (and trust me i've spoken to LOTS of people), i think Manohar has a good chance at winning his chaguanas seat for COP. They aint buying into the panday propaganda that cop is 'with' the pnm.

And i'm fed up of hearing that propaganda. So heres a new conspiracy theory :
RML and Panday are the reasons why there is no unity amongst the oppositions and they are both sensible enough to realise that. So why are THEY splitting the votes? Could they be sleeping with the pnm? Did manning offer a 'get out of jail free card' to Panday to split the votes? Remember, the man is 74 years old facing jailtime, a man in that postion would do anything. And RML has proven his allegience is only to himself, neither to his party nor his followers, so manning can buy him cheaply.
The same way this sounds ridiculous to the grassroot unca supporters, is the same way panday's propaganda sounds ridiculous to cop supporters.

[damianr]

I believe all the Propaganda talk sounds ridiculous, and they are all to blame - there is not a politician in this entire election who is acting maturely - we the people have to make our own choice, and not listen to any of the politician ole talk

At the end of the day if you believe COP will win your seat, then vote COP - but if you were wrong be prepared to live with the PNM - Don't have any regrets

If you can't take PNM for another 5 years vote UNCA

It's not as complicated as it seems

[Maccogirl]

I agree it is as simple as damianr said, if you feel COP will win their seat go vote for them but be prepared to face the music if you are wrong. Wake up Tuesday morning and if PNM wins then don't say a word, maybe quiet a few of you will stop posting on here because I have no idea what you will come on here to complain about after Monday. :roll:

[peanut]

UNC will retain the 15 seats they had ..they will win BonAir/Lopinot, Mayaro, Chaguanas West. That is 18 sure sure seats.

Even though the COP is the spoiler in the other Marginals, it is too close to call. There is a good possibility PNM will lose Tobago East to the DUF/DAC.

I too thought chaguanas was a unc seat for sure but after seeing whats going on and speaking to people in the charlieville area (and trust me i've spoken to LOTS of people), i think Manohar has a good chance at winning his chaguanas seat for COP. They aint buying into the panday propaganda that cop is 'with' the pnm.

And i'm fed up of hearing that propaganda. So heres a new conspiracy theory :
RML and Panday are the reasons why there is no unity amongst the oppositions and they are both sensible enough to realise that. So why are THEY splitting the votes? Could they be sleeping with the pnm? Did manning offer a 'get out of jail free card' to Panday to split the votes? Remember, the man is 74 years old facing jailtime, a man in that postion would do anything. And RML has proven his allegience is only to himself, neither to his party nor his followers, so manning can buy him cheaply.
The same way this sounds ridiculous to the grassroot unca supporters, is the same way panday's propaganda sounds ridiculous to cop supporters.

Kemist, you eh making sense, how come the UNC is splitting the votes when they are projected to win at least 18 seats and the COP 0?

[Sirius]

There you go again, assuming we all live in areas that it's either UNCA or PNM. Here's the reality: There are places the PNM's main opponent is the COP.

[peanut]

There you go again, assuming we all live in areas that it's either UNCA or PNM. Here's the reality: There are places the PNM's main opponent is the COP.

This is why I would have like to see an accommodation between both the UNC-A and the COP.

[damianr]

There you go again, assuming we all live in areas that it's either UNCA or PNM. Here's the reality: There are places the PNM's main opponent is the COP.

Again, we not talking about one area, the outcome of this election will affect the entire country, so all we are saying is to vote for the party who has a chance to win - that you can live with

All The reasonable people on this site (including COP Supporters) have summised that the only Place the PNM could lose this election is in the eight or so Marginal seats.

So we're saying if you vote for COP in these seats they may not even win the seat and be in a position to influence the Govt, therefore when you make your decision, be informed and have no regrets

Thats all

[Sirius]

There you go again, assuming we all live in areas that it's either UNCA or PNM. Here's the reality: There are places the PNM's main opponent is the COP.

Again, we not talking about one area, the outcome of this election will affect the entire country, so all we are saying is to vote for the party who has a chance to win - that you can live with

All The reasonable people on this site (including COP Supporters) have summised that the only Place the PNM could lose this election is in the eight or so Marginal seats.

So we're saying if you vote for COP in these seats they may not even win the seat and be in a position to influence the Govt, therefore when you make your decision, be informed and have no regrets

Thats all

What about seats like Tabaquite where it's so close that it's both UNCA and COP that are splitting each others votes? Why blame the COP? Why not admit the UNCA doing the same nonsense?

[cm103]

damian,

I'm not playing smart here but by whose estimate are we to consider a seat marginal in this election? If there isn't a poll we can trust then which seats are the close ones now?

[damianr]

There you go again, assuming we all live in areas that it's either UNCA or PNM. Here's the reality: There are places the PNM's main opponent is the COP.

Again, we not talking about one area, the outcome of this election will affect the entire country, so all we are saying is to vote for the party who has a chance to win - that you can live with

All The reasonable people on this site (including COP Supporters) have summised that the only Place the PNM could lose this election is in the eight or so Marginal seats.

So we're saying if you vote for COP in these seats they may not even win the seat and be in a position to influence the Govt, therefore when you make your decision, be informed and have no regrets

Thats all

What about seats like Tabaquite where it's so close that it's both UNCA and COP that are splitting each others votes? Why blame the COP? Why not admit the UNCA doing the same nonsense?

I not blaming anybody, I think the politicians doing enough blaming for all of us - I just advocating that people vote with full awareness and clear away the confusion on all sides

[kemist]

UNC will retain the 15 seats they had ..they will win BonAir/Lopinot, Mayaro, Chaguanas West. That is 18 sure sure seats.

Even though the COP is the spoiler in the other Marginals, it is too close to call. There is a good possibility PNM will lose Tobago East to the DUF/DAC.

I too thought chaguanas was a unc seat for sure but after seeing whats going on and speaking to people in the charlieville area (and trust me i've spoken to LOTS of people), i think Manohar has a good chance at winning his chaguanas seat for COP. They aint buying into the panday propaganda that cop is 'with' the pnm.

And i'm fed up of hearing that propaganda. So heres a new conspiracy theory :
RML and Panday are the reasons why there is no unity amongst the oppositions and they are both sensible enough to realise that. So why are THEY splitting the votes? Could they be sleeping with the pnm? Did manning offer a 'get out of jail free card' to Panday to split the votes? Remember, the man is 74 years old facing jailtime, a man in that postion would do anything. And RML has proven his allegience is only to himself, neither to his party nor his followers, so manning can buy him cheaply.
The same way this sounds ridiculous to the grassroot unca supporters, is the same way panday's propaganda sounds ridiculous to cop supporters.

Kemist, you eh making sense, how come the UNC is splitting the votes when they are projected to win at least 18 seats and the COP 0?

ok after re-reading my post i probably did not explain myself clearly.
Panday and RML are the main reasons why there is no unca-cop alliance. If they really cared about removing the pnm, why dont they step down and let the alliance happen, that way there would be unity and no splitting of the votes. The point i'm trying to make is that If the pnm wins, it would be because of lack of unity of the opposing parties, which in turn, is due to Panday's and RML's lust for power.

[peanut]

Help me to understand this, how do you expect the man who has struggled for years to build and hold the UNC together, and the man who has spent billion$ to finance the UNC-A to step down :?

All yuh good inno :!:

[cm103]

Peanut, what I think he means that if the UNC would take the election without Panday at the helm then why would he stand in the way of that?

[peanut]

My bad 8-)

[damianr]

damian,

I'm not playing smart here but by whose estimate are we to consider a seat marginal in this election? If there isn't a poll we can trust then which seats are the close ones now?

CM I disagree, I think you are playing smart :mrgreen: - but seriously I'm going by the estimates of people on this forum, looking at estimates from past elections etc.

[cm103]

LOL, yuh ketch me...

Ok but hear me on this one now, we have it strange, we in an information age but we can't trust the info coming to us, we have some seeing the glass half full and some seeing it half empty, we have more seats than usual and more contenders than usual (according to who you want to believe).

History will only predict up to a point in this one.

[marcel]

The COP is aiming at two prizes.

1. Becoming the next government
2. Becoming the next opposition party

COP can achieve anyone of those goals be taking UNC-A votes. Unhappy PNMs will never go to the UNC-A anyway, they will go to the COP.