Make your prediction, mine: PNM 27, UNC 13, COP 1

[flamingo]

Going into Monday's election, I would like if everyone, regardless of who they support, to be realistic and give what they think the final results would be. Thank You.

[Miroslav Klose]

PNM 25, UNC 16 and COP 0

[skl]

PNM - 24 UNC- 17

[Somebody007]

Pro UNC supporters will give a figure between 15 to 20 seats for the UNC. With the exception of The Light, only him might believe UNC winning all 41 seats.

Pro PNM supporters will give a figure of between 10 to 15 seats for the UNC and 0 - 2 for COP, although we hoping for more seats.

Pro COP supporters including Yetming will come with an amazing figure of 21 seats. Up to now I doh know where he get this figure from.


My prediction is at least 24 seats for the PNM.

[Parsifal]

A low of 23 to a high of 27 for the PNM.....the UNCA with the balance with the possible exception of St. Augustine,Tabaquite and Caroni Central....the COP may still pull these off.

[Maccogirl]

I going with 27 PNM , 14 UNCA, COP 0 subject to change but that is how I see it now

[King B]

26 PNM, 14 UNC, 1 COP

[Sirius]

As it stands right now: 23 PNM, 16 UNCA, 2 COP. Subject to change over the weekend.

[Solachica]

I am not in tune with how many seats for which party etc so can't give a break down but I predict tht PNM wud win yet again. 8-)

[peanut]

I predict PNM 23 - UNC 18 - COP 0

[knives]

COP - 7
UNC - 15
PNM - 19

[Maccogirl]

Knives with that prediction who the COP going with to form the government :D

[peanut]

MG hush up and make yuh predikshun :lol: :lol: :lol:

[jigger1]

PNM 22, UNC 12 COP 7

[Maccogirl]

Ah make meh prediction already is just these 7 seats with the COP that I find kind ah funny but who knows what can happen it would be interesting to see if Kinves wish come true I would really love to see which direction COP going :lol:

[peanut]

at least his prediction a lil more accurate than yetming eh

[swordfish]

COP -39 UNC-A - 2 PNM DUCK

[King B]

Knives just as confused as ever yes. :roll:

[Scorpio]

PNM (24), UNC (15), COP (2)....and TNT (-41) :cry:

[jacques]

The magic number is PNM 28 seats (ie over 2/3rds).

There is little doubt that the PNM will get a majority of the seats.
There is no doubt that the PNM will not get a majority of the vote.
If they get 28 seats or more, they can change the constitution (and therefore award themselves whatever power they want).

If a party with a minority of the vote can end up owning the country lock, stock and barrel, is that really democracy?

I'll be optimistic and say PNM 27 seats....
And I'll be pessimistic and say that when the time comes to vote on the new constitution one the the opposition MPs (say Ramesh, for instance) will fail to turn up, so the PNM will get a 2/3rds majority on the day when it matters...

[slick]

PNM - 19
UNC-A - 21
DAC - 1
COP - 0

[Somebody007]

PNM - 19
UNC-A - 21
DAC - 1
COP - 0


UNC-A, 21 seats......how long were you in your beauty sleep?

[slick]

PNM - 19
UNC-A - 21
DAC - 1
COP - 0


UNC-A, 21 seats......how long were you in your beauty sleep?
Wake up and smell the coffee my friend, UNC-A is riding the final wave of momentum into the elections.
They have been gaining more support than any of the other parties.
The gaps in the marginals are closing and the UNC-A is poised for election victory.

[cm103]

slick, Beenie not running for a seat.

Like you reading plenty into the crowd at the concert today.

[peanut]

CM,

People are determined not to allow the PNM to get a special majority in this election. As much as they a change from the PNM/UNC, new politics has taken a backseat, their primary concern is their Democratic Rights as citizens hence the reason so many are leaving the COP and going back to the UNC-A.

It is not that they like Bas or that they trust him, but the truth is, the COP is more of a danger to the Country than the UNC-A could ever be. Dookeran and Company know very well they will not win a seat, but their badmindedness and vindictiveness towards the UNC-A that is being manifested through the splitting of votes, is a direct threat in itself to the Democracy of T&T.

[MahaHottie]

slick, Beenie not running for a seat.

Like you reading plenty into the crowd at the concert today.

Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha..... I vote for Beenie. But seriously I agree with Slick

PNM - 20
UNC-A - 21
COP - 0

[Somebody007]

PNM - 19
UNC-A - 21
DAC - 1
COP - 0


UNC-A, 21 seats......how long were you in your beauty sleep?
Wake up and smell the coffee my friend, UNC-A is riding the final wave of momentum into the elections.
They have been gaining more support than any of the other parties.
The gaps in the marginals are closing and the UNC-A is poised for election victory.


There is no coffee to wake up and smell. PNM is winning the elections whether you like it or not. UNC-A not even winning anything close to 21 seats.

[Maccogirl]

So we have seen the rallies, so what all the copper have to say now ?? I have seen the PNM crowd , UNCA crowd, and COP crowd, PNM base there, UNCA base still holding, COP well I really don't know what base they have, after today I still have not seen anything great for me to say that the COP will win a seat.

[cm103]

PNM go have their supporters regardless so but the COP pulled people without any promise of entertainment. A few of my fam and friends actually went over to Aranjuez to take in Beenie though.

I didn't hear too much about the crowd from them but they did cuss a lot about the bad park some of them maxis did.

[Sirius]

I passed by the COP rally and it was pretty big especially considering they weren't staging a concert like some others and didn't have scores of hired buses and maxis hauling in supporters from all over the country. I was impressed by what I saw given those two factors in mind.

COP has the ability to pull a couple seats but may not get them. Doesn't matter too much to me - from what I saw, heard, and felt, COP is here for the long haul. Once they get a good turnout on Monday, even without seats in the house I'm sure the party will stick around and grow even more for the next time around. Most of those I have talked to say 2012 is when the COP will take government; not 2007. They're of the opinion that 2012 will see a COP government and a PNM opposition, but for now it will be a PNM government and a UNCA opposition with a possible seat or two for COP.

I also heard of a great many COP supporters who went UNCA's rally for the entertainment but not giving UNCA their vote Monday morning. Go figure.

[Maccogirl]

The crowd was huge cant tell the figures but it looked even bigger than the first event the UNCA had at mid center mall.

[Sumana]

I passed by the COP rally and it was pretty big especially considering they weren't staging a concert like some others and didn't have scores of hired buses and maxis hauling in supporters from all over the country. I was impressed by what I saw given those two factors in mind.

COP has the ability to pull a couple seats but may not get them. Doesn't matter too much to me - from what I saw, heard, and felt, COP is here for the long haul. Once they get a good turnout on Monday, even without seats in the house I'm sure the party will stick around and grow even more for the next time around. Most of those I have talked to say 2012 is when the COP will take government; not 2007. They're of the opinion that 2012 will see a COP government and a PNM opposition, but for now it will be a PNM government and a UNCA opposition with a possible seat or two for COP.

I also heard of a great many COP supporters who went UNCA's rally for the entertainment but not giving UNCA their vote Monday morning. Go figure.


So all the COP maxis going up the highway were what? My imagination? :roll: swear to flippen God :roll:

[slick]

I passed by the COP rally and it was pretty big especially considering they weren't staging a concert like some others and didn't have scores of hired buses and maxis hauling in supporters from all over the country. I was impressed by what I saw given those two factors in mind.

COP has the ability to pull a couple seats but may not get them. Doesn't matter too much to me - from what I saw, heard, and felt, COP is here for the long haul. Once they get a good turnout on Monday, even without seats in the house I'm sure the party will stick around and grow even more for the next time around. Most of those I have talked to say 2012 is when the COP will take government; not 2007. They're of the opinion that 2012 will see a COP government and a PNM opposition, but for now it will be a PNM government and a UNCA opposition with a possible seat or two for COP.

I also heard of a great many COP supporters who went UNCA's rally for the entertainment but not giving UNCA their vote Monday morning. Go figure.


So all the COP maxis going up the highway were what? My imagination? :roll: swear to flippen God :roll:
I was wondering the same thing...:roll:

[Sirius]

I passed by the COP rally and it was pretty big especially considering they weren't staging a concert like some others and didn't have scores of hired buses and maxis hauling in supporters from all over the country. I was impressed by what I saw given those two factors in mind.

COP has the ability to pull a couple seats but may not get them. Doesn't matter too much to me - from what I saw, heard, and felt, COP is here for the long haul. Once they get a good turnout on Monday, even without seats in the house I'm sure the party will stick around and grow even more for the next time around. Most of those I have talked to say 2012 is when the COP will take government; not 2007. They're of the opinion that 2012 will see a COP government and a PNM opposition, but for now it will be a PNM government and a UNCA opposition with a possible seat or two for COP.

I also heard of a great many COP supporters who went UNCA's rally for the entertainment but not giving UNCA their vote Monday morning. Go figure.


So all the COP maxis going up the highway were what? My imagination? :roll: swear to flippen God :roll:

Well I'm telling you from what I saw at Woodford Square. I never hit the highway today, so sorry for not being omnipresent. :roll: I'm surprised at you though; I don't deny they had some maxis, but I sure didn't see scores of them lined up by Woodford Square! If they really had so many maxiloads coming up the highway, well then I real happy! COP was relying on carpooling because they couldn't hire the kind of transport the other parties had. So that mean that down to the poor maxi men backing COP now? Looks like COP is no longer the middle class party.

Honestly, it never ceases to amaze. One minute COP have no support, next it have maxiloads going up the highway. Well yes.

[King B]

I passed by the COP rally and it was pretty big especially considering they weren't staging a concert like some others and didn't have scores of hired buses and maxis hauling in supporters from all over the country. I was impressed by what I saw given those two factors in mind.

COP has the ability to pull a couple seats but may not get them. Doesn't matter too much to me - from what I saw, heard, and felt, COP is here for the long haul. Once they get a good turnout on Monday, even without seats in the house I'm sure the party will stick around and grow even more for the next time around. Most of those I have talked to say 2012 is when the COP will take government; not 2007. They're of the opinion that 2012 will see a COP government and a PNM opposition, but for now it will be a PNM government and a UNCA opposition with a possible seat or two for COP.

I also heard of a great many COP supporters who went UNCA's rally for the entertainment but not giving UNCA their vote Monday morning. Go figure.


So all the COP maxis going up the highway were what? My imagination? :roll: swear to flippen God :roll:
I was wondering the same thing...:roll:


I was wondering what the hell it is Sirius talking about? Talk about delusional. Breds the COP had a miniscule crowd because they have miniscule support. After all the old talk the COP is a non-starter. They had their event in Woodford Squre because having it anywhere else would have made it clear that they do not have a chance. The PNM had around 50,000 people at Eddie Hart ground yesterday; which is the largest crowd at any event I have seen in Trinidad. Allyuh so too busy sipping Sadiq Baksh Kool-Aid to see reality. :roll:

[Parsifal]

I left the UNCA meeting at 3:30 p.m. and then went onto the PNM.....it was like comparing chalk and cheese......the PNM event was massive! I have never seen such a crowd at any political or even non-political event in my life. It was just ridiculous. It was a waste of time trying to leave until after 8:00 p.m. (the official programme ended at 5:50 p.m.) because people just did not want to leave. It was like Carnival Tuesday!

Alot of people were stranded so I picked up a group of 6....3 women and 3 children (de Prado was well filled!) and drove down on the Bus Route. I passed in the back of Aranguez savannah around 9:00 p.m. and took note of the litter/debris cone which gives an indication of crowd density and extent. By my observations (and I am trying to be truly objective here) it was significantly less than the PNM and certainly smaller than what they had in 2000, 2001 and 2002.

If this is any indicator of what may happen on Monday then Patrick Manning may really get 28 seats.

The COP made a tactical error by having their final rally in POS. They should have held it in Chaguanas because it was chaos on the highway until after the Aranguez intersection.

I have been reading reports that the COP turnout was less than the UNCA. However by my estimation on the highway it looked as if they were matching each other evenly. I drove East along the highway at around 1:45p.m. and there were four lanes of traffic heading west from Aranguez to Curepe by Kay Donna. Two lanes of COP on the left and two lanes of UNCA on the right. So I thought that they were matching evenly.......any way those were my observations. I turned onto the PBR and went down the UNCA rally and got there comfortably which indicated that the bulk of their turnout came from Central and South and not the East West Corridor.

The COP certainly seems to have found some money because most of their supporters were in maxis and those 35 year old buses that are used for excursions.

The COP motorcade out of St. Anns was very small (10-12 cars) and was comprised of the same group that was campaigning for the last 5 weeks......you get to learn faces and license plate numbers eventually! The only people in St. Anns/Cascade I saw wearing COP jerseys were driving Hiluxes and were local whites.....so much for grassroots support.....not saying they wont get votes but not to the extent to match the energy of their campaigning.

As I have said before Afro Trinis will take your money and work for you but that does not mean that they will vote for you......ask ANR Robinson. In 1991 George Street was a sea of NAR jerseys.....but on election day those same people voted PNM.

[MahaHottie]

I left the UNCA meeting at 3:30 p.m. and then went onto the PNM.....it was like comparing chalk and cheese......the PNM event was massive! I have never seen such a crowd at any political or even non-political event in my life. It was just ridiculous. It was a waste of time trying to leave until after 8:00 p.m. (the official programme ended at 5:50 p.m.) because people just did not want to leave. It was like Carnival Tuesday!

Alot of people were stranded so I picked up a group of 6....3 women and 3 children (de Prado was well filled!) and drove down on the Bus Route. I passed in the back of Aranguez savannah around 9:00 p.m. and took note of the litter/debris cone which gives an indication of crowd density and extent. By my observations (and I am trying to be truly objective here) it was significantly less than the PNM and certainly smaller than what they had in 2000, 2001 and 2002.

If this is any indicator of what may happen on Monday then Patrick Manning may really get 28 seats.

The COP made a tactical error by having their final rally in POS. They should have held it in Chaguanas because it was chaos on the highway until after the Aranguez intersection.

I have been reading reports that the COP turnout was less than the UNCA. However by my estimation on the highway it looked as if they were matching each other evenly. I drove East along the highway at around 1:45p.m. and there were four lanes of traffic heading west from Aranguez to Curepe by Kay Donna. Two lanes of COP on the left and two lanes of UNCA on the right. So I thought that they were matching evenly.......any way those were my observations. I turned onto the PBR and went down the UNCA rally and got there comfortably which indicated that the bulk of their turnout came from Central and South and not the East West Corridor.

The COP certainly seems to have found some money because most of their supporters were in maxis and those 35 year old buses that are used for excursions.

The COP motorcade out of St. Anns was very small (10-12 cars) and was comprised of the same group that was campaigning for the last 5 weeks......you get to learn faces and license plate numbers eventually! The only people in St. Anns/Cascade I saw wearing COP jerseys were driving Hiluxes and were local whites.....so much for grassroots support.....not saying they wont get votes but not to the extent to match the energy of their campaigning.

As I have said before Afro Trinis will take your money and work for you but that does not mean that they will vote for you......ask ANR Robinson. In 1991 George Street was a sea of NAR jerseys.....but on election day those same people voted PNM.

Parsi, Ah could get some ah dat Shizt yuh smokin? I too passed through all three, and would say the COP was less than ten % of the other two, while PNM was slightly smaller than the UNC rally.

When you left Aranguez at 3:30 there were UNC supporters lined up on the highway past Chaguanas

Your comment about Afro Trinis is accurate, and also applies to Indo Trinis.

At the end of the Day again Trini people not stupid, The PNM will only win if people in the marginal seats truly believe the PNM will be a better Govt than the UNC in the next 5 years, and we all have fate in their ability to solve the crime problem with another operation Macowell

[damianr]

I left the UNCA meeting at 3:30 p.m. and then went onto the PNM.....it was like comparing chalk and cheese......the PNM event was massive! I have never seen such a crowd at any political or even non-political event in my life. It was just ridiculous. It was a waste of time trying to leave until after 8:00 p.m. (the official programme ended at 5:50 p.m.) because people just did not want to leave. It was like Carnival Tuesday!

Alot of people were stranded so I picked up a group of 6....3 women and 3 children (de Prado was well filled!) and drove down on the Bus Route. I passed in the back of Aranguez savannah around 9:00 p.m. and took note of the litter/debris cone which gives an indication of crowd density and extent. By my observations (and I am trying to be truly objective here) it was significantly less than the PNM and certainly smaller than what they had in 2000, 2001 and 2002.

If this is any indicator of what may happen on Monday then Patrick Manning may really get 28 seats.

The COP made a tactical error by having their final rally in POS. They should have held it in Chaguanas because it was chaos on the highway until after the Aranguez intersection.

I have been reading reports that the COP turnout was less than the UNCA. However by my estimation on the highway it looked as if they were matching each other evenly. I drove East along the highway at around 1:45p.m. and there were four lanes of traffic heading west from Aranguez to Curepe by Kay Donna. Two lanes of COP on the left and two lanes of UNCA on the right. So I thought that they were matching evenly.......any way those were my observations. I turned onto the PBR and went down the UNCA rally and got there comfortably which indicated that the bulk of their turnout came from Central and South and not the East West Corridor.

The COP certainly seems to have found some money because most of their supporters were in maxis and those 35 year old buses that are used for excursions.

The COP motorcade out of St. Anns was very small (10-12 cars) and was comprised of the same group that was campaigning for the last 5 weeks......you get to learn faces and license plate numbers eventually! The only people in St. Anns/Cascade I saw wearing COP jerseys were driving Hiluxes and were local whites.....so much for grassroots support.....not saying they wont get votes but not to the extent to match the energy of their campaigning.

As I have said before Afro Trinis will take your money and work for you but that does not mean that they will vote for you......ask ANR Robinson. In 1991 George Street was a sea of NAR jerseys.....but on election day those same people voted PNM.

You have a Helicopter? you were heading east from Aranguez to Curepe at 1:45pm yet you left the UNC Rally at Aranguez at 3:30pm...... I could get some of what you smoking too?

[Parsifal]

I passed by the COP rally and it was pretty big especially considering they weren't staging a concert like some others and didn't have scores of hired buses and maxis hauling in supporters from all over the country. I was impressed by what I saw given those two factors in mind.

COP has the ability to pull a couple seats but may not get them. Doesn't matter too much to me - from what I saw, heard, and felt, COP is here for the long haul. Once they get a good turnout on Monday, even without seats in the house I'm sure the party will stick around and grow even more for the next time around. Most of those I have talked to say 2012 is when the COP will take government; not 2007. They're of the opinion that 2012 will see a COP government and a PNM opposition, but for now it will be a PNM government and a UNCA opposition with a possible seat or two for COP.

I also heard of a great many COP supporters who went UNCA's rally for the entertainment but not giving UNCA their vote Monday morning. Go figure.

If the COP cannot do it now then they are not going to do it in 2012 without a serious collapse in the UNCA and the PNM.

If the PNM succeeds in getting the upgrade to the physical infrastructure completed, crime down and inflation back under control (signs of that already) then with high energy prices the PNM is going to be in an even stronger position.

Put it a different way what would the COP or even the UNCA campaign on by then?

Corruption? We have seen already that Manning has handled corruption allegations against his administration in a vastly superior way to Basdeo Panday. What Panday was afraid or too proud to do Manning has done expeditiously. Franklin Khan and Eric Williams facing jail not Ganga Singh and Carlos John.

Mismanagement of the econmy? The PNM manifesto has lower expenditure when compared to the other 2 parties. The COP oddly enough proposes to spend the most whilst agreeing with practically the entire Vision 2020 document.....down to CEPEP!

Transportation? With the creation of the Interchange and the creation of the overpasses on the CRH the horrendous traffic jams will be alleviated. Same thing with the water taxis. My post graduate work was in transportation....so was Carson Charles. Ask him if he does not agree with the rapid rail or the water taxis.

Constitutional reform? We will either have the same one then as we have now or one that most will accept.

Crime? Stop the drug transshipments and you stop the guns. Stop the guns and with a massive fire arms interdiction effort you will stop the gangland killings and reduce the violent robberies. Kidnapping for ransom is already nearly now a thing of the past. Crackdown hard on those businesses that facilitate car theft and money laundering.

That is why this election has become so critical for the anti-PNM forces.....give Manning $50 billion a year in revenues for 5 years and you will see what I mean.

[Parsifal]

Ganja boy ganja!!!

Seriously though I used my motorcycle for most of yesterday. My brother had my Prado in Eddie Hart. He went straight there with it. We switched rides for the trip back down......the Prado is a good chick magnet....get one!

[deathwinger]

I passed by the COP rally and it was pretty big especially considering they weren't staging a concert like some others and didn't have scores of hired buses and maxis hauling in supporters from all over the country. I was impressed by what I saw given those two factors in mind.

COP has the ability to pull a couple seats but may not get them. Doesn't matter too much to me - from what I saw, heard, and felt, COP is here for the long haul. Once they get a good turnout on Monday, even without seats in the house I'm sure the party will stick around and grow even more for the next time around. Most of those I have talked to say 2012 is when the COP will take government; not 2007. They're of the opinion that 2012 will see a COP government and a PNM opposition, but for now it will be a PNM government and a UNCA opposition with a possible seat or two for COP.

I also heard of a great many COP supporters who went UNCA's rally for the entertainment but not giving UNCA their vote Monday morning. Go figure.

If the COP cannot do it now then they are not going to do it in 2012 without a serious collapse in the UNCA and the PNM.

If the PNM succeeds in getting the upgrade to the physical infrastructure completed, crime down and inflation back under control (signs of that already) then with high energy prices the PNM is going to be in an even stronger position.

Put it a different way what would the COP or even the UNCA campaign on by then?

Corruption? We have seen already that Manning has handled corruption allegations against his administration in a vastly superior way to Basdeo Panday. What Panday was afraid or too proud to do Manning has done expeditiously. Franklin Khan and Eric Williams facing jail not Ganga Singh and Carlos John.

Mismanagement of the econmy? The PNM manifesto has lower expenditure when compared to the other 2 parties. The COP oddly enough proposes to spend the most whilst agreeing with practically the entire Vision 2020 document.....down to CEPEP!

Transportation? With the creation of the Interchange and the creation of the overpasses on the CRH the horrendous traffic jams will be alleviated. Same thing with the water taxis. My post graduate work was in transportation....so was Carson Charles. Ask him if he does not agree with the rapid rail or the water taxis.

Constitutional reform? We will either have the same one then as we have now or one that most will accept.

Crime? Stop the drug transshipments and you stop the guns. Stop the guns and with a massive fire arms interdiction effort you will stop the gangland killings and reduce the violent robberies. Kidnapping for ransom is already nearly now a thing of the past. Crackdown hard on those businesses that facilitate car theft and money laundering.

That is why this election has become so critical for the anti-PNM forces.....give Manning $50 billion a year in revenues for 5 years and you will see what I mean.


If this is the truth then this is great. However, the last 6 years have been pain and suffering. Somehow, I don't believe you and I think you will just go silent from the forums when these things do not happen and the country gets even worse under the PNM.

[damianr]

I passed by the COP rally and it was pretty big especially considering they weren't staging a concert like some others and didn't have scores of hired buses and maxis hauling in supporters from all over the country. I was impressed by what I saw given those two factors in mind.

COP has the ability to pull a couple seats but may not get them. Doesn't matter too much to me - from what I saw, heard, and felt, COP is here for the long haul. Once they get a good turnout on Monday, even without seats in the house I'm sure the party will stick around and grow even more for the next time around. Most of those I have talked to say 2012 is when the COP will take government; not 2007. They're of the opinion that 2012 will see a COP government and a PNM opposition, but for now it will be a PNM government and a UNCA opposition with a possible seat or two for COP.

I also heard of a great many COP supporters who went UNCA's rally for the entertainment but not giving UNCA their vote Monday morning. Go figure.

If the COP cannot do it now then they are not going to do it in 2012 without a serious collapse in the UNCA and the PNM.

If the PNM succeeds in getting the upgrade to the physical infrastructure completed, crime down and inflation back under control (signs of that already) then with high energy prices the PNM is going to be in an even stronger position.

Put it a different way what would the COP or even the UNCA campaign on by then?

Corruption? We have seen already that Manning has handled corruption allegations against his administration in a vastly superior way to Basdeo Panday. What Panday was afraid or too proud to do Manning has done expeditiously. Franklin Khan and Eric Williams facing jail not Ganga Singh and Carlos John.

Mismanagement of the econmy? The PNM manifesto has lower expenditure when compared to the other 2 parties. The COP oddly enough proposes to spend the most whilst agreeing with practically the entire Vision 2020 document.....down to CEPEP!

Transportation? With the creation of the Interchange and the creation of the overpasses on the CRH the horrendous traffic jams will be alleviated. Same thing with the water taxis. My post graduate work was in transportation....so was Carson Charles. Ask him if he does not agree with the rapid rail or the water taxis.

Constitutional reform? We will either have the same one then as we have now or one that most will accept.

Crime? Stop the drug transshipments and you stop the guns. Stop the guns and with a massive fire arms interdiction effort you will stop the gangland killings and reduce the violent robberies. Kidnapping for ransom is already nearly now a thing of the past. Crackdown hard on those businesses that facilitate car theft and money laundering.

That is why this election has become so critical for the anti-PNM forces.....give Manning $50 billion a year in revenues for 5 years and you will see what I mean.

Again who could handle corruption better than the PNM Govt, we forget the days of Johnny O'Halloran picking up money in brown paper bag. The PNM are just generally more skilled at covering up corruption - at the end of the day though, the PNM Gov't providing a simple formula for the people of T&T.

PNM THEFT + PNM INCOMPETENCE = WASTING TRINI OIL MONEY AND POVERTY FOR ALL IN 2020

[TheLight]

Prado is a good chick magnet....get one!

Beenie man is a good chick magnet....get one!

[Parsifal]

Parsi, Ah could get some ah dat Shizt yuh smokin? I too passed through all three, and would say the COP was less than ten % of the other two, while PNM was slightly smaller than the UNC rally.

When you left Aranguez at 3:30 there were UNC supporters lined up on the highway past Chaguanas


Mahahottie you better than me....I thought that I would have gotten jammed up in dowtown POS. The Police move really dread when you are on a bike weaving through the street traffic.... I have had a few encounters before! So I did not go down to the COP meeting to macco. I exited POS via Piccadilly Street and went onto the highway.

I don't think that the COP turnout could have been that low. I saw a fair amount of COP traffic heading into town in buses and maxis. So 10% is much too low of a crowd estimate.

The PNM rally was certainly the biggest of the three though for the reasons I described above.

The COP made a mistake of trying to go back into POS again. They should have stayed in Central where they have their best chance in St. Augustine, the two Caroni seats and Tabaquite.

[Parsifal]

Prado is a good chick magnet....get one!

Beenie man is a good chick magnet....get one!

Dark you just confirmed to me that you really must be into guys not me.......I will concentrate on the "Mahahotties" of this world....you could keep de Chi-Chi man behaviour for yourself!

....and if you don't understand Jamaican slang (like most other things as I have noted) a chi-chi is a Jamaican term for termite....and what do termites eat? Well I think you could activate a wee bit of grey matter to come up with the answer and the resulting inference.

So if you are pushing the gay/lesbian agenda I think you could start your own thread on that....you will certainly get more friends that way.

[MahaHottie]

Parsi, I think the PNM have you driving that Prado, an yuh wan't to keep it that way, so you keeping away from all the serious debate about PNM Incompetence and Theft and focusing on Chi Chi ting :mrgreen:

[peanut]

[quote="Parsifal"]Dark you just confirmed to me that you really must be into guys not me.......I will concentrate on the "Mahahotties" of this world

ahem, I does jealous bad eh ... only one mahahottie for you eh well dais if yuh want me to come back to the PNM ;) :P :mrgreen: :lol:

[Parsifal]

damianr....that was why the PNM lost government in 1986 along with several other factors.....30 continuous years in office.....high handedness etc.

It was for this same reason why Patrick manning re-engineered the party. The PNM of 2007 is not the PNM of 1986. A number of the old guard went to their grave hating Manning for cleaning house in the way that he did....Muriel Donawa McDavidson, Hugh Francis and Nello Mitchell.

The UNC has had the same accusations of corruption leveled at it. In fact the levels of theft that the PNM took 30 years to achieve the UNC did in 6 years. The fact that the directors of Birk Hillman are in jail as we speak says it all!

The UNCA was not punished to the same degree as the PNM. No amount of PR will fix the problems within the UNC. That is why the COP has become so viable so rapidly. That is a fact that you cannot deny.

I you truly love the UNCA then you and others will have to dedicate your efforts to change it from within.

As with all things we are only limited by our imagination.....and I say this to you with the greatest of sincerity.

[peanut]

I you truly love the UNCA then you and others will have to dedicate your efforts to change it from within.

As with all things we are only limited by our imagination.....and I say this to you with the greatest of sincerity.

That is why Dookeran was a fool to split from the UNC. That is a battle that could only be won from within not without the UNC.

[Parsifal]

Parsi, I think the PNM have you driving that Prado, an yuh wan't to keep it that way, so you keeping away from all the serious debate about PNM Incompetence and Theft and focusing on Chi Chi ting :mrgreen:

Hard work, studies girl and a great aversion to do doing anything that could result in me going to jail! :lol: My bumsee would be too much of an attraction for dem fellas on de inside! :lol:

Every single government we have had since universal adult suffrage has had their fair share of corruption allegations.....some more than others!

It is how you treat with them that is the difference.

In this regard our country is more aware of the effects and how to spot it. We are learning...we are evolving.....and we will get better.

[Parsifal]

Dark you just confirmed to me that you really must be into guys not me.......I will concentrate on the "Mahahotties" of this world

ahem, I does jealous bad eh ... only one mahahottie for you eh well dais if yuh want me to come back to the PNM ;) :P :mrgreen: :lol:

Oh God Peanut I was using the term "Mahahottie" to describe all of allyuh nice woman!

P.S. my father used to play Mighty Sparrow's "My Lying Excuses" alot when I was growing up ...... so be on your guard! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[gaia]

That is why this election has become so critical for the anti-PNM forces.....give Manning $50 billion a year in revenues for 5 years and you will see what I mean.
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Yu mean dey still want 5 years tu do all dey didn´t do for 6 years? More and more empty promises. We have had 40 yrs of empty promises, stadiyums, now a palace, brass band, but still no water. Wy yu tink dis traffik plan go pan out different from all dey udder plans/promises. Dey does start tu bild big, de money doe run out into some pockets, de plan never get finished, unless its de pappys own pappyshow, and dey does come back wid more promises while pple suffering? DOWN WID DE PNM, FOR GOOD!!!

[cm103]

Under the PNM government I have made more money than under any other. That's the plain truth. But to my very marrow I want then out because while I have it nice now everything else around suffering. I really believe that the COP could make a difference and the UNC might have been able to if they were not so dependent on Panday.

The fact that Panday's immediate future and freedom is up in the air currently and there is no strong leader who could replace him (partly because he ran all of them) are just a couple reasons why the UNC isn't a choice for me in this race.

It doh make sense to try and go back to 1995 now. I think about what I kids go see (when me and d wife start knocking them out) in the next decade. The UNC was great for a stop gap from the PNM back in the 90's but we need a new line of governance and ideas now. 2020 is common sense to where we should be going but I don't agree with the method.

[peanut]

Dark you just confirmed to me that you really must be into guys not me.......I will concentrate on the "Mahahotties" of this world

ahem, I does jealous bad eh ... only one mahahottie for you eh well dais if yuh want me to come back to the PNM ;) :P :mrgreen: :lol:

Oh God Peanut I was using the term "Mahahottie" to describe all of allyuh nice woman!

P.S. my father used to play Mighty Sparrow's "My Lying Excuses" alot when I was growing up ...... so be on your guard! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


So yuh go lie to me, make excuses or both :lol: :lol: :lol: yuh sure you eh a COP supporter :?:

[Parsifal]

I you truly love the UNCA then you and others will have to dedicate your efforts to change it from within.

As with all things we are only limited by our imagination.....and I say this to you with the greatest of sincerity.

That is why Dookeran was a fool to split from the UNC. That is a battle that could only be won from within not without the UNC.

Winston Dookeran at his core was always more "ONR" than "ULF".

He is as every bit ambitious as Ramesh....do not doubt it! He used Panday and Panday used him.

No one and I repeat NO ONE can lead the UNC until Basdeo Panday dies.....just as it took Eric Williams to die before a new leader was found for the PNM.

The political and figurative "crabs in a barrel" are his creation....he made them and he and only he can break them. He needs this back stabbing and internal discord around him so that he can retain control. His speech of yesterday was yet another exercise in this. Ramesh and Kamla must have had their teeth on edge.

Dookeran took his chance....for better or for worse.

[Parsifal]

Peanut I could never ForSake you, ForGet your nor could I never ever ever.....ForCop you so? :lol: :lol: :lol:

...and I am not a closet anything....you have to go by The Dark for that one! hehehehehe. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[damianr]

damianr....that was why the PNM lost government in 1986 along with several other factors.....30 continuous years in office.....high handedness etc.

It was for this same reason why Patrick manning re-engineered the party. The PNM of 2007 is not the PNM of 1986. A number of the old guard went to their grave hating Manning for cleaning house in the way that he did....Muriel Donawa McDavidson, Hugh Francis and Nello Mitchell.

The UNC has had the same accusations of corruption leveled at it. In fact the levels of theft that the PNM took 30 years to achieve the UNC did in 6 years. The fact that the directors of Birk Hillman are in jail as we speak says it all!

The UNCA was not punished to the same degree as the PNM. No amount of PR will fix the problems within the UNC. That is why the COP has become so viable so rapidly. That is a fact that you cannot deny.

I you truly love the UNCA then you and others will have to dedicate your efforts to change it from within.

As with all things we are only limited by our imagination.....and I say this to you with the greatest of sincerity.

Don't Get me wrong I don't love the UNCA .. I Love Trini, I agree with you 100% that the UNCA Should be flushed out, but as a leader (as I'm sure you are as well) you have to be able to make tough decisions based on the big picture.

To me it comes down to an Incompetent PNM VS A Compentent UNC

With the illusion of Integrity of the current PNM just a plitical tool - PNM Inproperity too much to mention here, Williams and Smiley to name a few, with Ken Julian still to answer.

After the PNM has spent billions in the past 6 years, I just do not feel the impact of all that spending - Crime more uncontrollable than ever, Traffic has gotten worstInfrastructure the same, flooding getting worst, food prices high, middle class cant afford housing (and not prepared to live in the chicken coops built by rowley)

PNM Has proven in the past 6 years that with Billions at their disposal they can't Govern this country effectively (not even talking about the corruption, private companies, 500mil spent in UTT etc.)

[Parsifal]

Damianr

We can debate all of your points.

I agree with some but I respectfully disagree with others.....I am no fan of Ken Julien either. His vision and input in the industrial sector is truly tremendous and commedable but I have always felt and suspected his, shall we say "personal motives". I choose my words carefully because he has not ever been charged with any wrongdoing far less convicted of anything. So I cannot make a definitive statement on his character but I do have my suspicions and they are not good.

Unfortunately I have to head out now.....so I will comment on your post a bit later when I come back.

btw apologies for roughing you up when you first posted....I looked back at it and my words were sour and not sweet....and you know what you have to do when your words are sour! Welcome to the debate and I do read your posts carefully and thoroughly.

[MahaHottie]

Brother Parsi, It takes a big man - if only our political leaders could take a page

[peanut]

Dem political leaders don't have the testicular fortitude to say what on their mind. Parsi for President and I go be the 1st Lady. How can I refuse a man who gives me that kind of assurance ;)

[Kitsin]

I say PNM will get 27, UNC 11, COP 3 :geek:

[peanut]

I say PNM will get 27, UNC 11, COP 3 :geek:

These predickshuns getting jokier by the minute :lol: :lol: :lol:

[citizen]

Remember you heard it here first.
PNM - 20, UNCA - 20, COP 1.
This will involve at least three recounts.
If this happens, what do you think Dookeran will do? I suspect that if he is offered the Ministry of Finance by Manning, he will go for it. Is this possible?

[Maccogirl]

One set for the COP I wonder where I hope you not saying its Dookeran's seat because that not looking so, and if its not Dookeran's seat so you want to tell me Dookeran will be able to instruct this individual whoever it is to go to either PNM or UNCA, even if as leader of the COP he does not win his seat?

I don't think this person will be willing to bargain for Dookeran to get a job in the ministry of finance, he or she will be in a very strong position and may be thinking bigger like being the new leader of the COP :lol:

[Sirius]

One set for the COP I wonder where I hope you not saying its Dookeran's seat because that not looking so, and if its not Dookeran's seat so you want to tell me Dookeran will be able to instruct this individual whoever it is to go to either PNM or UNCA, even if as leader of the COP he does not win his seat?

I don't think this person will be willing to bargain for Dookeran to get a job in the ministry of finance, he or she will be in a very strong position and may be thinking bigger like being the new leader of the COP :lol:

If he loses his seat but still gets good support, then I don't see why he should not remain as leader. If on the other hand it turns out he did not get much support in his own constituency, then he should step aside for someone else. I would like to think the COP is not a one man following like the UNC is to Panday. For the record, I think he will get good support but I don't think his will be one of the COP's seats if they get any. I think COP's biggest chances are in Tabaquite, St. Joseph and Diego West. I'm starting to hear Ganga Singh is still popular in Caroni East but I'm not familiar enough with that constituency to say anything about it.

[Parsifal]

If we are to go by the rumours (and it is only that folks) circulating on the airwaves this morning then the PNM internal polling is indicating that they may be on course for 28 or more.

Apparently the internal COP and UNCA polls are showing the same.

Something drastic would have to happen for them to lose the Government now.....like the red dye in the PNM attire triggering mass poisoning overnight or something. :roll:

[peanut]

Remember you heard it here first.
PNM - 20, UNCA - 20, COP 1.
This will involve at least three recounts.
If this happens, what do you think Dookeran will do? I suspect that if he is offered the Ministry of Finance by Manning, he will go for it. Is this possible?


Eh Eh, I heard it first from my compere who is a PNM Candidate this morning. Apparantely that was Enil's assessment, instead they are giving Tobago East to the DUF/DAC.

[skl]

UNCA have ah ad out today in the papers saying they (UNCA) taking 27 seats.

[peanut]

UNCA have ah ad out today in the papers saying they (UNCA) taking 27 seats.


That is wishful thinking even if I must say so myself :lol:

[MahaHottie]

probably 27 seats in ah maxi :mrgreen:

[sylvestter]

i not participating in this stupid prediction.

i prefer to live in hope that there are enough sensible, free-thinking, independent people in this country who won't cast their votes to the devil or into the deep blue sea...

[peanut]

probably 27 seats in ah maxi :mrgreen:

ent :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Somebody007]

probably 27 seats in ah maxi :mrgreen:


lol...

[Maccogirl]

Does not matter does it all I know if PNM wins some party will be in the opposition and I betting its not the COP :lol: :lol:

[jigger1]

What make anybody think that the COP is the Sensible choice....?. only the argument that they dont have a track record.... we know PNM and UNC . You mean the current government sooooo bbbaaaad ? is there anything good at all that was done by the current administration within the last five years? What make anybody think that the COP could do any better when the integrity of the leader and how he came about to form the COP is in question....... NOw suddenly, he is the most righteous and upright of them all.....

I dare any leader of tt to bring a solution to crime in two years..... Its in the darn people.....morally inferior!! Thursday , a man was shot and killed while driving on his way home. It was said that he thought another guy bad drive him on the highway and with that a cussing between he and the man followed. They both stoped at the trafic lights at which the eventual victim got out of his van, picked up a few big stone and hit the other driver in his shoulder while he was sitting in his car.... he proceeded to continue the assault at which the man drew his liscence service revolver and shot him once after which the aggressor died. NOW IS THAT MANS DEATH IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT IS NOT DEALING PROPERLY WITH CRIME?.... A lot of crime like that happens in Trinidad....The other day down south, a man chopped up his girlfriend-to death, when she told him she was going to leave him and she went for her passport at his place to travel abroad.... its a new way of behavior in the people.... not the jokIE trini's of the past where pple would pass a bad drive off with a joke... a morally degenerating generation...... the many crimes of that sort is not a fault of the state... NO GOVERNMENT COULD SOLVE THAT KIND OF CRIME.
So the wisdom of safety with PNM , UNC or COP is folly..... none could solve crime immediately , they could put systems in place yes, but the people unfortunately will have to live and be vigilant for a while.
Folks , dont let no one coerse you to vote.... vote your concience.

[jpf]

What make anybody think that the COP is the Sensible choice....?. only the argument that they dont have a track record.... we know PNM and UNC . You mean the current government sooooo bbbaaaad ? is there anything good at all that was done by the current administration within the last five years? What make anybody think that the COP could do any better when the integrity of the leader and how he came about to form the COP is in question....... NOw suddenly, he is the most righteous and upright of them all.....

I dare any leader of tt to bring a solution to crime in two years..... Its in the darn people.....morally inferior!! Thursday , a man was shot and killed while driving on his way home. It was said that he thought another guy bad drive him on the highway and with that a cussing between he and the man followed. They both stoped at the trafic lights at which the eventual victim got out of his van, picked up a few big stone and hit the other driver in his shoulder while he was sitting in his car.... he proceeded to continue the assault at which the man drew his licensed service revolver and shot him once after which the aggressor died. NOW IS THAT MANS DEATH IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT IS NOT DEALING PROPERLY WITH CRIME?.... A lot of crime like that happens in Trinidad....The other day down south, a man chopped up his girlfriend-to death, when she told him she was going to leave him and she went for her passport at his place to travel abroad.... its a new way of behavior in the people.... not the jokIE trini's of the past where pple would pass a bad drive off with a joke... a morally degenerating generation...... the many crimes of that sort is not a fault of the state... NO GOVERNMENT COULD SOLVE THAT KIND OF CRIME.
So the wisdom of safety with PNM , UNC or COP is folly..... none could solve crime immediately , they could put systems in place yes, but the people unfortunately will have to live and be vigilant for a while.
Folks , dont let no one coerse you to vote.... vote your concience.

Govt cant eliminate it, but it CAN control crime, its done in other developed countries

if criminals know that when they murder people they will be caught, charged and convicted most of the time & maybe even get a death sentence, yuh doh think they would think twice about it? but in this country yuh could have more murders in a yr than the no of days in it, yet still yuh could count the no of convictions in d whole year on 1 hand!!! and yuh say the govt have nothing to do with that! so yuh could kill and there is more than a 95 % chance that u will get away scott free? yuh call that vision 2020!! sometime ago, (a couple years) they said exactly how many gangs there were and exactly how many members, yet still what they do about it? nothing

that person who gave the bad drive might not have done it if he was accustomed to seeing police patrols on the highway, which means the subsequent incidents would obviously never have taken place

if police happened to be there on the highway, (which is less likely if there ARE no patrols) they could have stopped the whole incident from happening

if the govt could have kept the crime rate low, he probably wouldnt have the need to have even a licensed firearm (for protection i assume) anyway

if a witness happened to be there when the man chop his girlfriend to death, he might have though twice about doing it, but only if the witness protection programme the govt has created was effective

and people passing a bad drive off with a joke!, they wont be bad driving other people anyway if this govt was serious about having a police service that actually enforces traffic laws on a regular basis (day & night, 7 days a week), and u know u would get a ticket everytime u do it , not just in a once in a blue moon police road block exercise

it can be done, if there is the will to do it, and the intelligence to know how to do it, and I believe COP has both, yes they doh have a track record, but lets give them a chance to prove themselves

[MahaHottie]

You seriously think COP could win at this point? and if not yuh really voting for the same Govt crime plans yuh criticizing by ensuring that the PNM wins

[Somebody007]

I think alot of people prefer the COP but at the same time, they all believe the COP cannot unseat the PNM and UNC would be in the best position to do so....hence why some COP supporters would vote the UNC. Thats just my theory.

[peanut]

That's a good theory Somebody, I am in touch with a lot of family members who supported the COP but will vote the UNC. The objective here is the COP cannot win so block Manning from getting the majority he wants.

[IN-A-QUANDRY]

If the UNC is winning this election, I will be EXTREMELY surprised.

[Somebody007]

If the UNC is winning this election, I will be EXTREMELY surprised.


No they are not winning this election and their supporters knows this. They just trying to stop the PNM from getting a special majority.

[peanut]

If the UNC is winning this election, I will be EXTREMELY surprised.

Experience have taught me that it is not over until the last vote is counted.

Back in 1986, everyone predicted the NAR would win, but none of them could have predicted the loss would have been so huge. In 1995, no one expected the PNM would have lost to the UNC but they did.

[Maccogirl]

Well I don't know if the winning this election but I sure hope as hell PNM does not get a special majority so if anyone prefers that PNM does that just to show UNCA what they can do lord help we :roll:

[Somebody007]

Well I don't know if the winning this election but I sure hope as hell PNM does not get a special majority so if anyone prefers that PNM does that just to show UNCA what they can do lord help we :roll:


that is what I said earlier.

[King B]

26 PNM, 14 UNC, 1 COP

:D

[Maccogirl]

Well done King !!!!

[Sumana]

[quote="King B":69310]26 PNM, 14 UNC, 1 COP

:D[/quote:69310]
:lol: :lol: you should get ur set up for that

[peanut]

I just heard 26 PNM 15 UNC .. It appears at last count Dookeran lost.

[Maccogirl]

Where u hear that Peanut

[peanut]

i95.5 comi g in from Balisier House

[peanut]

No one from the Alliance have won their seats.

[peanut]

IT IS CONFIRMED .... VASANT BARATH WON ST AUGUSTINE! THAT CAME FROM A FRIEND OF MINE IN THE EBC.

[skl]

any idea who took St Joseph ?

[peanut]

PNM

[Maccogirl]

Carnival start large music truck going down D/martin Highway playing not a dam seat for them :D :D People chipping like a carnival monday night

[peanut]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

WE TOLD DEM SO! You know between the UNC and the COP combined, they had more votes combined than the PNM. Also noteworthy is the PNM have lost ground in terms of voters this election.

[deathwinger]

And this was in 2007, when the PNM won 26 seats. Some people were close in their prediction, especially one guy who is seeing a win for the coalition this time. Good.

I want to leave you with something to think about though.

What did PNM do with those 26 seats to make us proud? Hmm....?

I'm not one to usually bring back old threads from the dead, but when I saw the similarities of this thread and the new one in 2010, I told myself...we must never forget.

Remember what happened for the two and a half years after this election, 2 summits, record high murder rate, wanton spending on unnecessary things, empty million dollar buildings, lack of care or concerns for citizens with this 'new' slate of PNM parliamentarians, with some of them saying 'so what' or just ignoring the general publics wishes....

WE MUST NEVER FORGET! MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT ON ELECTION DAY

[Miroslav Klose]

WOW, I predicted PNM 25, UNC 16 --- wasn't too far off. This time I am saying UNC will get at least 24.

[Slider]

UNC putting up 24 candidates that means they winning all their seats? That could be comparable to the "no vote" campaign in 1971