Panday confirms that Ramesh is behind the UNC fall in 2001

[Somebody007]

Well folks, take a read of this article from the Newsday newspaper. This is a clear indication that the RLM/Panday relationship won't last very long. I can see RLM being sidelined and shelfed as 'old' book material. I can also see RLM/Panday rift developing just before the election. Who knows, RLM might pull out last minute and hand COP or PNM the Tabaquite seat. Take a read of this article and tell me what you think about it.


Panday: Ramesh behind UNC fall
By Clint Chan Tack Thursday, November 1 2007


UNC POLITICAL Leader Basdeo Panday agreed with Prime Minister Patrick Manning that UNC Alliance (UNC A) Tabaquite candidate Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj helped to bring down the UNC government in 2001.

Contacted yesterday, Maharaj said he preferred not to comment on Panday’s statement.

For the first time in the election campaign, Panday publicly admitted that the former attorney general joined with the PNM to bring down his UNC government in 2001.

“When Ramesh decided that he preferred the PNM...he gave them the government in 2001,” Panday told supporters at the Triangle, Princes Town on Tuesday night.

But Panday appealed to supporters to give the UNC A another shot at power.

“I have come here to ask you for one favour. That is to put us back in government so that we may continue the work which we began in 1995 and was so rudely interrupted in 2001,” he declared as supporters cheered.

Maharaj was not present when Panday made the statement as he was speaking at a UNC A meeting in Rio Claro at that time. Maharaj arrived to speak at the Princes Town meeting after Panday departed for Rio Claro.

When he took centre stage, Maharaj referred to the corruption scandal of 2001 but said there were only two former ministers in the UNC government “in which there were allegations of corruption.”

He claimed these persons were now members of the Congress of the People (COP) and that party has made an election accommodation with the PNM against the UNC A.

Last week, Prime Minister Patrick Manning revealed that information provided by Maharaj to the PNM led to the collapse of the UNC government and prompted investigations into allegations of corruption against former UNC ministers.

Panday’s brother Subhas said Manning spoke so much about Maharaj because “he damn fraid Ramesh.”

“Ramesh is the best attorney general this country has ever seen!” declared the UNC A Princes Town North candidate to the applause of supporters. Subhas claimed the Firearms Interdiction Unit, which is now part of the Organised Crime Narcotics and Firearms Bureau, has been closed down.

Meanwhile, Panday made another attack against the Maha Sabha and its alleged ties to the COP.

“I hear that (Maha Sabha General Secretary) Sat (Maharaj) holding all kind of puja for the corpse. Now there is a special puja you do when people dead. I hope is that one,” Panday quipped, causing some UNC A supporters to laugh.

Panday evoked even more laughter from the crowd when he replied to “the lady who spoke before me” about the policies a UNC A government planned to implement. The speakers who proceeded Panday were Chaguanas Mayor Suruj Rambachan, youth speaker Shane Mohammed, Naparima candidate Nizam Baksh and UNC A chairman Jack Warner.


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[Maccogirl]

So where the link for this story????

[Somebody007]

So where the link for this story????

Try this link below. It was on the Newsday website dated November 1st 2007.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,67194.html

[JPersad]

One more chance ?
Bas think this election is ah raffle or what ?

[JPersad]

Is Friday before election .
Did Ramesh make a statement about this ?
Maybe Macco could make one on his behalf .

[vaio]

he beggin now!!?? RLM lets hear what you have to say about this..

[JPersad]

Peanut and Macco ,
Come on .
Please try and spin this one .

[Somebody007]

Ah notice the UNC Supporters gone real quiet on this thread.

[Parsifal]

Ah notice the UNC Supporters gone real quiet on this thread.

...because the truth doth offend.

[Somebody007]

Parsifal it is quite clear, they are ducking this thread. Ooops, did I give some forumites ah big headache. Come, I have PNM panadol to soothe yuh pain.

[Parsifal]

Parsifal it is quite clear, they are ducking this thread. Ooops, did I give some forumites ah big headache. Come, I have PNM panadol to soothe yuh pain.

Another PNM achievement free Panadol via CDAP! :mrgreen:

[vaio]

Wait...so where was Bas in 2001, he was sleeping or what..he did not know this before..or was he in denial??

[Sumana]

and atleast this proves that BIG MEN can put differences aside TO WORK FOR THE BETTER OF THE COUNTRY. Now THAT is putting country first.

[Somebody007]

and atleast this proves that BIG MEN can put differences aside TO WORK FOR THE BETTER OF THE COUNTRY. Now THAT is putting country first.



ummmmm, Ramesh did not comment on this statements eh....that just goes to show that there is a slient rift/grudge going on between Bas and RLM.

[cm103]

Or make it seem so to make a wild grab for power...depending where you stand

[vaio]

and atleast this proves that BIG MEN can put differences aside TO WORK FOR THE BETTER OF THE COUNTRY. Now THAT is putting country first.

Yea, but what were their differences in the first place..!!??

[littleone]

these 2 "big" men should put their country first by high-tailing it out of politcs.

[cm103]

Well that still haunting Panday to this day so things not over yet.

Imagine now if Ramesh gets called as a state witness to testify as to what he knows of the Panday's overseas affairs.

[vaio]

He might do like McNIchols!!

[JediKnight]

and atleast this proves that BIG MEN can put differences aside TO WORK FOR THE BETTER OF THE COUNTRY. Now THAT is putting country first.

You really believe that? It is just a naked grab to hold on to the power of opposition. Ramesh knows he is nothing without Bas (a la Team Unity) and that he cannot destroy Bas (a la leaking the info about Bas. I was in the PNM then). So what do you do when you can't beat them? Join them! Panday is the most selfish person in the history of politics in this country. What is clear is that a united opposition would have walked away with this election. The obstacle to opposition is Panday. Solution? Let Panday step down. Had that happened it would have been smooth sailing. Right now, I am prepared to stand by my principles and support the COP because I honestly believe that they can make a difference. If I am wrong I will be able to correct that in 5 years, as I am doing now, having been a former PNM supporter. I am not prepared to compromise my principle and belief on this propoganda that the real aim is to prevent the PNM from gaining a constitutional majority. I am sorry, I have always been in elections to win. Even if COP gets no seats I know that I tried to make a difference and was not the victim of blind loyalty to any party. Being a former PNM supporter I readily confess that they have mismanaged our country. UNC has proved that they are corrupt and the PNM has proved that they are incapable of governing. That is why I have no choice but to support the COP.

[slayerdave]

Yes yes you right RLM bring down the government.....oh god you right. What we go do oh lord what we go do. We can't vote for the PNM, oh lord what to do. We go vote for Dookeran, he is d man, d leader for change today.......
But wait what is that I see......Devant & Sat what them doing here, look Sat scorning my wife because she is not an indian what going on. Anil and Inshan what them doing here, last election them was telling me to vote for the PNM.......Inshan even tried to prevent me from voting last time with them fellas dressed as Muslims oh didn't Anil tell me that Devant was a racist...what kinda party is this. Look in the conner it is Anand the man, why he calling my family backward ******s......whilst looking at that goat in a funny way. What kinda ah party is this. Why is Sadiq walking around only saying Panday, Panday, Panday.......it must be some kinda disease because Manohar and Hulsie is also doing the same thing. How come they move Gillian, she is d man from Point-a-Pierre, to St. Joseph .....what happen to Gerald, oh he is having dinner with the PNM. Here comes the activists why they telling me to vote for the PNM, if I don't vote for COP......what going on here. Look it is Ganga, why he telling me its his karmic duty to kill Panday.....But wait nah this party only full of strange folks, why is Mr.Dookeran sitting in the conner with Roy and Ken telling him what to say. This party full off ah bunch strange folks, them just like the PNM. I think its time to go home, RLM I forgive you for what mistakes you made, UNC-A Leadership Council with Mr. Warner and Mr.Panday, you have my vote.

[Parsifal]

Oh gord man Slayer! You actually made me laugh.....good post.....good writing....goes to show there is nothing new in all of this....same play....same actors.....everybody wants to get their hands on $50 billion a year in revenues.

[vaio]

even the PNM and UNC... ;) they want it baddddd!

[cm103]

slayer just lose half he message in the delivery there. ****** talk, goat and Gillian sexuality.

Any of them ever unseat a sitting government? And then come back round next elections like nothing happen?

[Parsifal]

slayer just lose half he message in the delivery there. ****** talk, goat and Gillian sexuality.

Any of them ever unseat a sitting government? And then come back round next elections like nothing happen?

Yeah I agree....that was not needed.

We can't condone bigotry in any guise.

[JediKnight]

It is amazing all the UNC supporters bashing Sat and Devant. Please tell me who were these 2 supporting in 1991, 1995, 2000, 2001 and 2002? But they committed the cardinal sin of leaving the UNC so all of a sudden they are racists. Was it okay to be a racist while supporting the UNC or did they become racists in 2007? Why wasn't Gillian a problem in 2001? :twisted:

[Maccogirl]

Sat was always a racist he was only quite because Panday made his daughter or some family member of his a senator, but when UNC left office Sat let his colors show, and has been at it till now

[JediKnight]

So it was okay for him to support the UNC but it is now a problem that he is supporting the COP?

[Solachica]

Yea thts wht I was thinking.
Politics does really have people behaving like women scorned you know.
When you with me you good but when you not with me you are a vile creature. :lol:

[Scorpio]

So where the link for this story????

Try this link below. It was on the Newsday website dated November 1st 2007.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,67194.html


007, when I didn't see a link, I thought you made this story up, yes, I can't understand why Panday would bring back somebody who causehim to lose government in 2001, to me dais just stupid.

[cm103]

007, when I didn't see a link, I thought you made this story up, yes, I can't understand why Panday would bring back somebody who causehim to lose government in 2001, to me dais just stupid.

Panday stand to lose more than that as a result of RLM. Is all nice now since they need a united front for elections but afterwards...buy plenty popcorn and find a comfortable chair in front d tv.

[Scorpio]

^^^ I have plenty better things to do than to sit and watch the sequel of Panday vs Ramesh 2001. :D

[Somebody007]

^^^ I have plenty better things to do than to sit and watch the sequel of Panday vs Ramesh 2001. :D


Scorpio, yuh cyar be ah trini and ent lovin the baccahnal that is about to unfold after the election. Hot Dogs and Swee drink to go along with the pop-corn please.

[cm103]

Is times like this ah remember that old trini soap opera 'No Boundaries'. Allyuh remember that?

for all the kicks we does have in elections and parliament we cyah come close to Jamaica and the Bahamas. I see men get kick, box slap and real mudda talks pass in the house for those two countries.

Lewwe hope we doh get like that. Put cameras in the tea room :D

[vaio]

So it was okay for him to support the UNC but it is now a problem that he is supporting the COP?

It is always a problem once you not supporting them again...they turn and call you all kinda names and make all sorts of accusations...

Ramesh's days are numbered in the unc ....and Bas will kick him again...

[Somebody007]

Well it seems like Ramesh go be knocking on Manning's door again pretty soon...eh Patrick, ah have so more info fuh yuh, this time we go bury Bas for good.

[vaio]

Well it seems like Ramesh go be knocking on Manning's door again pretty soon...eh Patrick, ah have so more info fuh yuh, this time we go bury Bas for good.


:mrgreen:

[Sumana]

STAND TALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Somebody007]

Stand Tall where.......In Golden Grove???

[vaio]

Stand Tall where.......In Golden Grove???


hehehehe, the only way to stand there :?

[nikkidan]

I dunno why you all don't realise that ramesh has a mission
1. keep panday out of jail
2. make sure some pnm officials end up arrested on allegations of corruption

[Somebody007]

I dunno why you all don't realise that ramesh has a mission
1. keep panday out of jail
2. make sure some pnm officials end up arrested on allegations of corruption


I cyar understand why Ramesh want to keep Panday out of jail when is he who put Panday there in the first place.

[vaio]

aye he wants to be the leader boy....bas days are numbered....RLM just waitin to strike... :geek:

[nikkidan]

politics is a strange thing somebody....who better to pull yuh out of the hole than the man who help put yuh in there in the first place. ( remember politics as with everything else has a morality of its own)
those are the 2 likely reasons ramesh is back in pandays 'good graces'. I can't see it any other way.

the same way ramesh helped him in 1995 and brought him down in 2001....pendulum swings again

[Somebody007]

politics is a strange thing somebody....who better to pull yuh out of the hole than the man who help put yuh in there in the first place. ( remember politics as with everything else has a morality of its own)
those are the 2 likely reasons ramesh is back in pandays 'good graces'. I can't see it any other way.

the same way ramesh helped him in 1995 and brought him down in 2001....pendulum swings again


RLM will have a hard time finding evidence to put PNM Ministers in jail. Now I know that some of them have already been left out of the picture to stand on their own two feet....like Eric Williams and Franklin Khan but with this current set of people the PNM have, they not going to find evidence so easy. RLM can try but I know he will fail in his efforts to do so.

[nikkidan]

as far as i know there isn't any statute of limitations on corruption issues...i suppose if there is anything to be found it will be found.
if there is one thing i have learnt, is that i wont put my head on a block for anybody, farless any political party, lest i make myself sound like a jackass at the end of the day.

[vaio]

well said nikki!!!

[Somebody007]

RLM aint all that clean in politics either.

[peanut]

as far as i know there isn't any statute of limitations on corruption issues...i suppose if there is anything to be found it will be found.
if there is one thing i have learnt, is that i wont put my head on a block for anybody, farless any political party, lest i make myself sound like a jackass at the end of the day.

The only crime I know of in T&T that there is no statute of limitations on is murder.

[nikkidan]

RLM aint all that clean in politics either.

the real question is, is there anybody who is clean in politics?

[nikkidan]

as far as i know there isn't any statute of limitations on corruption issues...i suppose if there is anything to be found it will be found.
if there is one thing i have learnt, is that i wont put my head on a block for anybody, farless any political party, lest i make myself sound like a jackass at the end of the day.

The only crime I know of in T&T that there is no statute of limitations on is murder.

ok so in that case what is the statute of limitations on allegations of corruption/mischief in public office/abuse of power?

[vaio]

RLM aint all that clean in politics either.

the real question is, is there anybody who is clean in politics?

added to that is how dirty some and compared to others... :?:

[Somebody007]

RLM aint all that clean in politics either.

the real question is, is there anybody who is clean in politics?

added to that is how dirty some and compared to others... :?:


true dat......