the carnival 2008 thread

[sylvestter]

three months to go....
all major bands have already been launched...
some soca has already been released...
the fete schedule is out...

who you playing with?
what fetes you going to?
what's the plan for panorama?

[KFCSpicy]

Yuh know I jess post in another thread about how I cyah understand the need to pay 7000 on a costume that eh really evolve from beads, feathers and scraps of material.

I wish I could have come home to lime and lemon for carnival cause it had some memorable fetes but I think I won't enjoy paying 1000 for an all inclusive fete or even more than 400 for any fete and that fete must have at least 3 bands live and premium drinks and catered meals to go with that money. I also want proper security and I must be de only woman dey ;) ...seriously though.

We does have to pay some kinda mortgage money to these promoters for rum and coke :shock: and stag and carib...ah doh think it worth it. Crime is going to escalate so people can pay for their women's outfits for each fete, dey hair, shoes, and tickets and money to spend. Costumes to pay for, and everything else that we does buy to add on the days...glitter, tights, makeup rum food taxi gas money. Sigh!

[KFCSpicy]

Who is the best band? My girlfriends who still live in Trini swear by Tribe and how IP is rubbish and badly organised. :?

[Solachica]

:D
yea they wud take loan for carnival and be happy in Debt.
Paying $1000 for an all inclusive and then either having thing run out at the bar or having to face longgggg lines and can't even get bottled water. Or worse yet they giving you chits and when tht used up you have to buy. :lol:

[KFCSpicy]

Now u see dat chit system...I eh down wid dat ah tall ah tall. But why Trinis still supporting these fetes? In other countries dey quick to boycott yuh tail and that is when yuh does see the power of the consumer. Not trinis dey rather see it from the angle that if I cud afford to go then that make me reallllllllllll posh and ting and u not posh and ting. Plus is shame in dey behind why some ah dem rather beg steel and borrow to go party.

[miktay]

Who is the best band? My girlfriends who still live in Trini swear by Tribe and how IP is rubbish and badly organised. :?

IP is ****e...doh waste ur time...

[KFCSpicy]

way sahhhhhhhhhhhhh lmao lmao lmao umm Mik sugar wha IP do u dread? I find their fetes was over priced crapiola but sometimes it didnt have nutten to do on weekends and dat was de scene... but to be honest I did like dey costumes eh :oops: and I jess cyah see myself wukking all year to pay de prices dey asking lately dread. Plus I no longer have my Jlo body so let me stay home and wine in front de tv in a crocus bag and done.

[Solachica]

:D
wining in front de tv in yuh crocus bag sounding good.
:lol:

[sylvestter]

yikes - fetes starting in december this year!
i see BLISS is on old years night. that will be cool...

[Somebody007]

but wha trubble is dis....Carnival settling in already even before election day....lol.

[sylvestter]

can you imagine the financial chaos between christmas shopping and a million carnival fetes in january???

[Somebody007]

can you imagine the financial chaos between christmas shopping and a million carnival fetes in january???


This is Trini country....d people and dem like it so....after Christmas, yuh muss wah fete a lil more.... :D :D

[sylvestter]

i find i feeling more like carnival than christmas....

[sylvestter]

here is is!
the 2008 fete schedule:

Tuesday 1st January 2008
• Trinity College’s Soka In Moka

Saturday 5th January 2008
• QRC Outta de Blue VII All Inclusive
• St Francois All Inclusive
• Fire Fete

Sunday 6th January 2008
• ONE Fete All Inclusive, Oval
• Bptt All Inclusive, Pier 1 Car Park

Friday 11th January 2008
• Bazoodee Friday, Pier 1 Car Park
• Soca All Stars
• Legacy Cooler Fete

Saturday 12th January 2008
• Privilege -"Wicked In White"
• Pearl Gardens All Inclusive
• St Mary's All Inclusive Fete
• Bishops Anstey All Inclusive Fete
• WASA Fete, St. Joseph

Sunday 13th January 2008
• Island People - Amnesia Fete, Pier 1 Car Park

Friday 18th January 2008
• Ladies First, Pier 1
• Barbarossa Cooler Fete
• Central Bank All Inclusive, Eric Williams Plaza

Saturday 19th January 2008
• Blue Range All Inclusive Fete
• Agua Trinidad
• Republic Bank All Inclusive, Pier 1
• Comess All Inclusive Fete, Sevilla Sports Club Couva
• South Cancer Society All inclusive
• O Farrells All Inclusive

Sunday 20th January 2008
• Panoramma Semis - Red Ants Section
• Panoramma Semis – Caesar’s Army
• UWI 17th Annual All Inclusive Carnival Fete
• Friends of Blood Bank Fete All Inclusive

Friday 25th January 2008
• Soca Monarch Semi Finals
• Misty Ridge All Inclusive Fete
• Army Fete

Saturday 26th January 2008
• Kama Sutra VII
• Alternative Concept 6 -Machel Montano Concert
• Bryden's All Inclusive
• Fatima All Inclusive
• Victoria Gardens All Inclusive
• Outrageous In Red

Sunday 27th January 2007
• "Jamboree Sunday" - Jamboree Park, Valsayn
• Carec All Inclusive

Monday 28th January 2007
• PNM Fete
• Mad Hatters
• Mardi Gras

Tuesday 29th January 2007
• Eyes Wide Shut CARNIVALE
• Island Style Glow
• Bishops Junior School All Inclusive Fete

Wednesday 30th January 2007
• Bacchanal Wednesday, Bowen Marine
• Julius Caesar & Friends- SOS - Lost in Paradise
• Customs Boys Fete

Thursday 31st January 2007
• TRIBE Thursday
• UWI Splash, Bowen Marine
• Michael Headley's All Inclusive Fete, Salybia
• Beach House Party, Ortenola Estate

Friday 1st February 2007
• Blue Range Cooler Fete
• Privilege Presents RISE in Moka
• Pier 1 Cooler Fete
• Soca Monarch Finals
• Island People - Girl Power
• Sunny Side up - "Break Biche"

Saturday 2nd February 2007
• "Euphoria" All Inclusive - Jamboree Park, Valsayn (3PM - 10PM)
• Trini Posse Fete, Bowen Marine
• Island People - Insomina Mobs 2
• Panorama Finals
• Dawn, Jenny's Car Park

Sunday 3rd February 2007
• Mania Drinks Inclusive, Country Club
• Julius Caesar - Shades
• Moka Explosion All Inclusive, St Andrews Golf Club, Moka
• Headley All Inclusive, Valsayn
• Brian Lara All inclusive

Monday 4th February 2007
• Carnival – Parade of Bands

Tuesday 5th February 2007
• Carnival Tuesday – Parade of Bands

[KFCSpicy]

^^^^steupse. I eh play mas in 8 years me eh care. :evil:

[vaio]

@syl...that is some useful info....

[sylvestter]

i notice BG Fete and Bliss missing from the schedule, and I was planning to go to both. lol
rumour has it that there may not be a BG fete in 2008 and Bliss which was originally scheduled for new years eve has been canceled...

[vaio]

^^i heard abt the BG fete...sad....

[dancerboy]

According to plainclothes "for carnival,for carnival,for carnival" ( say it fast). Some of you might be too young,( or too old) to have experienced carnival prior to "67" when i left T&T. Kitchener won the road march with "67". Mama dat was mas. I played with city symphony (they no longer exist)), "birds and insects". Those days you had bands like CITO VELAZQUEZ with fruits and flowers,and a host of other fancy sailor bands. And dem fellas coulda dance sailor dance yuh know. Dem days you 'HAD WAS' to touch the costumes to see if dem fruits were real. The next time i saw carnival after that was in 2000, I played with starlift and legend. (not on the same day of course). carnival now is only for the youths. But everything is becoming youth-oriented. So i guess we older folks have to deal with the reality. DANCERBOY

[peanut]

Well dancer, the last Carnival I participated in was in '89 and i saying like plainclothes to yes :lol: :lol: I had my fair share from singing back up in Calypso Tent to being a Masquerader. :mrgreen:

[Solachica]

Carnival doh affect me in anyway and unlike some other people in the Govt service, I does have a normal workday.
Most people stay home so why they just can't make it public holidays? Most places does board up and barricade up or close early already.

[KFCSpicy]

There's a time for everything in life.

Been there done that...I looking to build a future for me and mine not wine and jam for two days in beads and sequins and feathers and at the end of it all making some non-entity with a bad idea to show my pwefen to all and sundry via a costume...richer and he/they blinging come ash wednesday and my tail suffering as a result financially. For every carnival costume price is a down payment price put away for my home and to build my nest egg.

Hold it down and walk on de safe side people. ~ I good. :lol:

[dancerboy]

KFC i just responded to you in another thread saying that i like you like a daughter, and now i see your post here, i like you even more. I came to NEW YORK in 1969, after living in ST.CROIX for two years, and i attended brooklyn college from 1970 february. I 'uses' to 'beat' pan, but i realized that i came here for a purpose. Now I am retired and i can go to any carnival in the world. So you keep your nose to the grind stone and you will make it. I like your attitude. Your future is ahead of you ( is it ?) , not behind you. REMEBER APTITUDE IS ONLY 30% OF SUCCESS, ATTITUDE IS 70%. DANCERBOY.

[KFCSpicy]

:D :oops: 8-) That was the nicest thing ever to say Dancerboy. Thank you very much, it's made me smile today when I had not much to smile for (due to my own actions and no one else's :cry: ).

I am tryna do me and I fall down and make many mistakes but...I try to glean some knowledge from it. I am no where near house money yet but I have faith and I will plodd along until I get there. Plus I want to make sure that my mummy is well taken care of when she can no longer do for herself.

Thanks for the encouragement and the refreshingly kind words. It takes a special person to see the good in people no matter what. Wish u all the best hun.

ooops...umm and all this will be happening during carnival season of course :D Sorry Mods but it would have been utterly rude of me not to thank him. ;)

[miktay]

way sahhhhhhhhhhhhh lmao lmao lmao umm Mik sugar wha IP do u dread? I find their fetes was over priced crapiola but sometimes it didnt have nutten to do on weekends and dat was de scene... but to be honest I did like dey costumes eh :oops: and I jess cyah see myself wukking all year to pay de prices dey asking lately dread. Plus I no longer have my Jlo body so let me stay home and wine in front de tv in a crocus bag and done.

for the $ your paying...ip is poorly organized...imho youre better off with Tribe, TRevellers, and yes...even Harts...

this yr...as in previous years...there were long lines at the mas camp for costumes...on the road some drinks trucks were closing off just so <bar closed>(& this is an all inclusive band eh)...and the ppl that i spoke with in the band were generally unsatisfied with the product...

it actually got to be so tiresome dealing with obnoxious IP staffers that me and the posse left the band around lunch time Tues and went and "jump with another band"...which was night and day compared w/IP :|

[Solachica]

Mas back in the sanannah come 2K8

[KFCSpicy]

what's a sanannah Sola? :D

[KFCSpicy]

sigh another reason I cyah stand playing mas. De lack of quality product for yuh money. whether it be rum or fete or costume... it does never seem to be worth it all in the end. No wonder some people does make it their business to party extra hard and then convince themselves they had a ball. :roll:

[Falcon]

True, very true KFC.
I see the same thing in music: people purchase rubbish like Machel's album, and then want to convince the world that this 'trini culture music' is anything but tripe. :P

[KFCSpicy]

:o did he just barrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd talk meh lover machel here? :shock:

Nah nah nah............... racking meh shot gun.

Falcs yuh lucky i cyah find yuh or is reallllllllll licks dreadddddddd. Not meh man machel ah tall ah tall ah tall.

Ah going and frown in de frown thread cause yuh causing meh great upset here. :evil: :evil: :evil:

[sylvestter]

True, very true KFC.
I see the same thing in music: people purchase rubbish like Machel's album, and then want to convince the world that this 'trini culture music' is anything but tripe. :P

i would hardly call machel's abums rubbish....

[KFCSpicy]

Falcs like he anti meh man. but is ok after meh restraining order expire ah go tell Machel on Falcs. :) :?

[vaio]

well Panorama finals is in south again....

[Somebody007]

Poison costumes looking like it have less and less clothes to wear as their costume......pretty soon, all dem people who does play in Poison band may not have to wear anything at all.

[vaio]

^^i have a feelin that bands will be movin to body paint alone....and may be some beads.....

[Somebody007]

^^i have a feelin that bands will be movin to body paint alone....and may be some beads.....


and yuh dun know how we fellas like to gape at dem ladies playin in Poison band eh....hehehe.... :D :D :D :D :D

[vaio]

^^^true..allyuh fellas does enjoy it too bad..... :roll: ...too bad not all them girls does look good in they tiny piece of costume....

them bigger ladies shld look at they figure and try not to put on a size 2 when they is a 8... :shock:

[dancerboy]

WHA wrong wid dem big oman wearing size 2, when dey should be wearing size 8 ? dem is oman 2. DAT IS DISCRIMINATION. Dem big oman does have on 'tongue', u just doh c it. DANCERBOY

[vaio]

its a frightening scene...

[Somebody007]

Anybody playing in a carinval band 2008?

[trinisuckz]

Trinidad DOES NOT deserve carnival this year!

it should be cancelled due to crime!

[KFCSpicy]

lmaooooooooooooooooooo@deserve

[Sumana]

I shall b @ Jambore...and one other...not sure which one

[KFCSpicy]

jamboree used to be meh fave party. had many times i cud remember of partying till dawn.

[trinisuckz]

PArties are usually only good for the first yEar or so, then when the riftrats get word and go - the party is usually a disaster after that!
:roll:

[KFCSpicy]

That is one thing we agree upon 200% TS. I stopped going to a lot of parties due to that. :(

[vaio]

true i stopped goin to many of them all inclusives..... :|

[KFCSpicy]

my 2nd reason for not going to parties is the lack of quality drinks, service and all at an exorbitant price. i doh need to mind nobody wid my hard earned money just so i can say come monday morning how i was at so and so fete. hoping people go see me for being a real mover and shaker. please! :roll:

[Solachica]

:D i not into Carnival

[sylvestter]

the only two fetes that grabbing my attention right now are witco one and st. mary's. will definately pass through panorama semis. not sure what else as yet though...

[snowbird]

According to plainclothes "for carnival,for carnival,for carnival" ( say it fast). Some of you might be too young,( or too old) to have experienced carnival prior to "67" when i left T&T. Kitchener won the road march with "67". Mama dat was mas. I played with city symphony (they no longer exist)), "birds and insects". Those days you had bands like CITO VELAZQUEZ with fruits and flowers,and a host of other fancy sailor bands. And dem fellas coulda dance sailor dance yuh know. Dem days you 'HAD WAS' to touch the costumes to see if dem fruits were real. The next time i saw carnival after that was in 2000, I played with starlift and legend. (not on the same day of course). carnival now is only for the youths. But everything is becoming youth-oriented. So i guess we older folks have to deal with the reality. DANCERBOY

Ahhhh, you bring back memories long ago tucked away :) . My last Carnival in T&T was back in 1968 and back then it was still an 'art ' with the focus of the design on form and fabric not that mass produce suff like they have now; back in those days if you wore a costume like the naked mas of today the news papers couldn't even publish your picture :lol:
The big contenders were George Bailey, Harold Salddenah, Edmon and Lil Hart, and of course my late maternal aunt (and her husband) Elsie and Stephen Lee Heung.........."Mama dat was Mas".

[dancerboy]

According to plainclothes "for carnival,for carnival,for carnival" ( say it fast). Some of you might be too young,( or too old) to have experienced carnival prior to "67" when i left T&T. Kitchener won the road march with "67". Mama dat was mas. I played with city symphony (they no longer exist)), "birds and insects". Those days you had bands like CITO VELAZQUEZ with fruits and flowers,and a host of other fancy sailor bands. And dem fellas coulda dance sailor dance yuh know. Dem days you 'HAD WAS' to touch the costumes to see if dem fruits were real. The next time i saw carnival after that was in 2000, I played with starlift and legend. (not on the same day of course). carnival now is only for the youths. But everything is becoming youth-oriented. So i guess we older folks have to deal with the reality. DANCERBOY

Ahhhh, you bring back memories long ago tucked away :) . My last Carnival in T&T was back in 1968 and back then it was still an 'art ' with the focus of the design on form and fabric not that mass produce suff like they have now; back in those days if you wore a costume like the naked mas of today the news papers couldn't even publish your picture :lol:
The big contenders were George Bailey, Harold Salddenah, Edmon and Lil Hart, and of course my late maternal aunt (and her husband) Elsie and Stephen Lee Heung.........."Mama dat was Mas". THAT WAS MASS OF CLASS.

[sylvestter]

looks like the bacchanal started already...

according to a sean nero report in today's sunday guardian, Legacy; TRIBE; Masquerade; Genesis; DreamTeam; D Krewe; D’ Midas; Stampede; and Trevor Wallace and Associate have come together in a united front over the controversial band of the year (large) payment to brian macfarlane in this year’s competition...

according to saucytrini:
http://saucytrini.blogspot.com/2007/12/ ... orrow.html (http://saucytrini.blogspot.com/2007/12/bandleaders-to-protest-tomorrow.html)

The bandleaders have dubbed their united front "The Association of Bandleaders" and if this matter is not resolved have threatened to boycott all "NCC competition venues, especially Queen’s Park Savannah in Port-of-Spain and ultimately embarrass the State." So that means the possibility exists that Island People Mas, Harts, Pulse 8, Ronnie and Caro,Evolution and Mc Farlane could parade at these NCC venues regardless; guaranteed wins for the large bands Harts, Island People and Mc Farlane with medium bands Evolution, Pulse 8 and Legacy also having the 1st, 2nd and 3rd spots!

the guardian article states that the group is demanding a retroactive increase of prizes to the medium, small and mini band of the year winners for 2007. apparently macfarlane was “secretly” paid an extra $350,000 by the NCBA from the original $100,000 allotted for copping the large band of the year title this year.

is this sour grapes? or a legitimate concern? who knows? but the action has started!

[snowbird]

Seems like all they are asking for is a 'transparent' system where everyone knows exactly what the awards are; to me it's a little 'suspect' when the top prize is announced as being one amount, then they find out that more than triple that amount was actually paid out? Can't blame them.

[sylvestter]

what's going on with panorama semis? is it in the savannah or is it in south? anybody knows what the final decision was?

[snowbird]

what's going on with panorama semis? is it in the savannah or is it in south? anybody knows what the final decision was?

Not sure, it seems like everybody and their brother is up in arms about something pertaining to Carnival :lol:

I do recall though, last year when they took the 'show' to South it was a huge success, if so, I say...... do it again, you can't argue with success; I know the fans would like to have it in POS, but as was proven last year, there were just as many willing to attend down south. :)

[sylvestter]

what's going on with panorama semis? is it in the savannah or is it in south? anybody knows what the final decision was?

Not sure, it seems like everybody and their brother is up in arms about something pertaining to Carnival :lol:

I do recall though, last year when they took the 'show' to South it was a huge success, if so, I say...... do it again, you can't argue with success; I know the fans would like to have it in POS, but as was proven last year, there were just as many willing to attend down south. :)

the finals were in south last year.
the semis were in pos.

there is talk this year of shifting the semis to south as well.
i just need to know because most of the 'pan posses' are organizing this week and payments will be due by wednesday or thereabouts...

[sylvestter]

so allyuh went to any fetes as yet?

i aint see destra yet.
kes the band sounding real good.
traffic also sounding good.

i doh find HD impressive this year - the only thing i really like is 'unconditional'. his strongest song during his performance is 'jumbie' from last year.

what allyuh say?

[snowbird]

Unconditional'.... finally heard it, eh eh. It will probably be one of those that will have to grow on me. Someone started a thread and said they thought this years music was 'crap'; yep, I'd say so; and what's with all the noise, instead of making music, everybody making just noise :x

[KFCSpicy]

it's called quick sell music in my opinion Syl. I does have to wait until August to hear them new songs :oops:

[snowbird]

it's called quick sell music in my opinion Syl. I does have to wait until August to hear them new songs :oops:

If you like I can send you the link to a website here in Canada where you can 'sample' the music (it is purposly not down loading quality).

[KFCSpicy]

You mean dat Toronto Lime thing? I have it but I can't be arsed to log onto it Pnut hun. Is jess me not the lack of availability :oops:

[snowbird]

^^^

Yep, dat self; always my source for 'all things Caribbean'..... world wide :lol:

I particularly like their DJ sites where I could just log on, pick de track, and jus go bout meh business listening to Trini music :lol:

[sylvestter]

costume distribution starts this week!
i just get an email!

2 weeks to go people!!!!

[sylvestter]

c has a new website for carnival:
http://www.ctntworld.com
streaming video of most carnival events.

[Ali]

just curious

what are those little boots around the savanna for?

ah hope is not toilets......jk :mrgreen:

[snowbird]

On another thread someone shared that they were 'concession boots', I guess to sell 'food an ting' :lol:

[sylvestter]

just a week to go!!!!!!

I collecting my costume tomorrow!

[snowbird]

just a week to go!!!!!!

I collecting my costume tomorrow!

Ohhhhhh ah so jealous :oops:

By the way I heard that as usual, the ladies costumes are still so 'little bit' that they are able to pack them in envelopes :lol:

sunscreen alert, sunscreen alert :lol:

[sylvestter]

jah...

TRIBE give all the fellas a sample of ky tingling touch massage...

[KFCSpicy]

strange how people does find money for carnival eh. I wonder how much is Tribes costumes? Then these same people renting for life and bawling bout they cyah afford homes of their own. Sigh priorities in a country that is known for their wine and jam mentallity. :roll:

[snowbird]

jah...

TRIBE give all the fellas a sample of ky tingling touch massage...

By the way, if memory serves me correctly, wasn't it you who got a nasty sunburn around a 'fake tatoo' last year ?

[sylvestter]

jah...

TRIBE give all the fellas a sample of ky tingling touch massage...

By the way, if memory serves me correctly, wasn't it you who got a nasty sunburn around a 'fake tatoo' last year ?

it wasn't nasty sunburn. it's just that i remained with a semi-permanant tattoo for months as all around it got tanned, and when i washed it off it remained very pale.
you could still see a tad bit of it...

[snowbird]

jah...

TRIBE give all the fellas a sample of ky tingling touch massage...

By the way, if memory serves me correctly, wasn't it you who got a nasty sunburn around a 'fake tatoo' last year ?

it wasn't nasty sunburn. it's just that i remained with a semi-permanant tattoo for months as all around it got tanned, and when i washed it off it remained very pale.
you could still see a tad bit of it...

:lol: :lol: The reason why I remembered you situation so well is because the same thing happened to me a few years ago too, and yes, it does take a while for the colour to eventually even out :lol: :lol: :lol: ; so don't forget, this year....... sunscreen, sunscreen sunscreen :roll: :roll:

[sylvestter]

just a few hours to go!!!!!!!

NO CLEAR ROAD MARCH AS YET...
blazing the trail? breathless? get on?

have a happy and safe carnival folks!

[snowbird]

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Enjoy Syl, enjoy...... let loose an EN.........JOY!!!

[dhal]

i no it short eh...but so far so good :D an it lookin to only get better

[dancerboy]

TOO MUCH VIOLENCE IN DE CARNIVAL.

DANCERBOY

[snowbird]

What a difference a couple of days makes, boy dem hooligans want good licks fer spoilin de people party :twisted:

[KFCSpicy]

ummmm every year does have violence in carnival ever since before I was born so what is the drama here? :roll: Talk about molehills into mountains to suit own purposes. Sad!

[Solachica]

Who was the pan side tht had the male & female latin dancers and the flag bearers?

[snowbird]

ummmm every year does have violence in carnival ever since before I was born so what is the drama here? :roll: Talk about molehills into mountains to suit own purposes. Sad!

five murders and numerous stabbings, ah molehill? all of this when the government went out of their way to put on extra security :roll:

and as for ...... every year does have violence in carnival ever since before I was born so what is the drama here? hummmmm this must be the new generation of desensitized Trini ah hearin bout :roll:

[KFCSpicy]

Call it what you will. But you all must expect a degree of desensitivty when all you all do is moan about the situation. We all know the importance we all know the government is weak in this area, we all are fully aware painfully so with the countdown and numerous nauseous discussions going on about things yet no one is attempting to fix. So call me insensitive I really can't be arsed.

I am tired of the drama when none is called for. Every year carnival has murders and rapes. Death is a part of life, upgraded security or not.

List one year in the history of Trinidad and Tobago having a carnival where there was no deaths. Just one...making it reallll easy here for all yuh. Then tell me the numbers of deaths per carnival season going all the way back to the mid 80's....another easy task...and I will surely say you all have a right to make a whole ado about nothing.

[sylvestter]

omg. carnival 2k8 was fantastic! i had the best time ever. i wan't wait till 2009!

[dancerboy]

am tired of the drama when none is called for. Every year carnival has murders and rapes. Death is a part of life, upgraded security or not. Since there has been a murder or two every carnival for the last 50 years, are we to consider this par for the course ? Should our children and grand children say that there has been a murder or two for the last hundred years and accept that as part of the bachanal ?. Is there no progress to be made in keeping the peace at carnival time. Labor day usually have over one million revellers and spectators crammed into a small area. There was a time there 'uses' to be a lot of violence, but the powers that be put their foot down, not to mention the jewish community. Sure there are minor incidents to be expected in such a large gathering, but not murder every year. I gurantee if there is a murder every year the powers that be will stop the carnival on labor day. AND THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE KNOWS IT. They have already banned the sale, and (open) consumpton of alcohol. WE MUST STRIVE FOR A CRIME-FREE CARNIVAL. WE SHOULD EXPECT NOTHING LESS.
DANCERBOY

[KFCSpicy]

Yes your kids should expect it. Because quite frankly we have no Jewish community to give a toss about how it go affect their businesses only DOMA and even them downtown winin so who really is to care and put something in effect Dancer? If they eh do it 20 years ago yuh think they will do it now? Because all yuh steadily and morbidly doing a death countdown daily?

Well I guffaw at the naivety on here sometimes. Just because all yuh think things should be a certain way don't make it automatically change. You go on to say there will be incidents in a gathering that size but apparently we not allowed to have any incidentst that lead up to murder. Sigh tell that to the man who in a critical but stable condition in the hospital because some woman stab up he splunt for wining on she. Something that was truly unheard of years ago. It would usually be men stabbing or chopping yuh for winin on their woman.

With the revolution of the criminal mentality you will see the advent of all sorts of crime. The way things have been going why don't you all count your lucky stars that is only 5 isolated incidents that happened and not 50 or 500. Stop the damn complaining cause nobody eh doing nothing bout it.

[snowbird]

omg. carnival 2k8 was fantastic! i had the best time ever. i wan't wait till 2009!

Syl glad you had a good and safe time.

I saw the funniest interview with a tourist (he sounded either English or Australian), his words to the camera were ....... " I am so sorry I ever came down to Trinidad for the Carnival !!! because now I have to keep coming back every year " :lol:

[sylvestter]

Syl glad you had a good and safe time.

I saw the funniest interview with a tourist (he sounded either English or Australian), his words to the camera were ....... " I am so sorry I ever came down to Trinidad for the Carnival !!! because now I have to keep coming back every year " :lol:

hahaha. that's quite funny.

i can't believe it's over already!

[snowbird]

CARNIVAL POSTMORTEM:
Well according to your esteemed 'Minister of Carnival' over the next few days it will be decided by the 'stake holders' (I presume she means the mas producers et al) just where future generations will be playing mas; I guess they will answer the question ....... do you really want or need a Carnival Facility.
My question to the Minister (or her predecessor)....... Why wasn't this question asked years ago? Before you tore up the Savannah? before you came up with a design for the facility? even before you decided on a facility at all?
But again, this is Trinidad where they generally put the cart before the horse :lol: , anyway this is a subject for another thread :lol:

[BW]

Ah, the joys of Carnival. Such a fitting end in today's newsday (http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,72933.html). Isn't our culture grand?

[Mr Majik]

am tired of the drama when none is called for. Every year carnival has murders and rapes. Death is a part of life, upgraded security or not. Since there has been a murder or two every carnival for the last 50 years, are we to consider this par for the course ? Should our children and grand children say that there has been a murder or two for the last hundred years and accept that as part of the bachanal ?. Is there no progress to be made in keeping the peace at carnival time. Labor day usually have over one million revellers and spectators crammed into a small area. There was a time there 'uses' to be a lot of violence, but the powers that be put their foot down, not to mention the jewish community. Sure there are minor incidents to be expected in such a large gathering, but not murder every year. I gurantee if there is a murder every year the powers that be will stop the carnival on labor day. AND THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE KNOWS IT. They have already banned the sale, and (open) consumpton of alcohol. WE MUST STRIVE FOR A CRIME-FREE CARNIVAL. WE SHOULD EXPECT NOTHING LESS.
DANCERBOY
This is a tad misleading. First off, the lower incidence of violence in Labor Day can be attributed to other factors, mainly the overall decline of violence in NYC. There is also the fact that the authorities, who only tolerate this parade rather than embrace it, are stricter with the ending time of the parade, which I guess is partly due to the Jewish community reclaiming their homes that they had rented out for years, on Eastern Parkway.
There is still violence in the aftermath, such as parties and dances.

As for Carnival, those 5 murders may have taken place during the Carnival time, but how many can be related to Carnival?
When I read that one fella get killed in Behind-God-Back Trace, or the next one dead in Out-Of-The-Way Track, why would I conclude that these killings had anything at all to do with Carnival?

I say the overall violence situation in T&T is unacceptable, but to say that 5 people got killed for Carnival is akin to fearmongering. It is the same mindset that leads some people to think that Toronto's Caribana is a veritable killing field.
I have neighbours who have never attended but every year when the subject comes up they comment on the violence associated with Caribana.
In all the year I have been attending Caribana (which is every year since 1967) there has been 1 murder!
Most of the violence that is attributed to Caribana actually takes place far from any Caribana venue, and in non-Caribana sanctioned events. But as long as the people involved are black, or visiting town for Caribana, the media always tie it in with Caribana.

All that said, can you tell me how many of those 5 murders took place during and within Carnival parades?