Dookeran collapses at meeting last night

[Dispatcher]

During his speech at Jackson Street in Curepe, Dookeran lost his balance and toppled over being caught just in time.

He had to be whisked away. Not sure where to, if hospital or home. Hope its not too serious.

[lou_uk]

He has been doing two and one time I heard even three meetings a night. Wish him all the best. Only one week to go and I hope his opponents show some consideration and not poke fun in the usual insensitive way.

[Maccogirl]

Ramesh must be have files on he too :D there is still the old talk of what he was doing at a big boy office at CL Financial on the day of Panday's court verdict... some of you like to forget easily :roll:

[JPersad]

MG ,
RLM is a spent force in politics .He done !
Nobody (expect UNC fanatics ) believes him anymore .He has become politically impotent !

[skl]

Ramesh must be have files on he too :D there is still the old talk of what he was doing at a big boy office at CL Financial on the day of Panday's court verdict... some of you like to forget easily :roll:


maybe he was asking for a scholarship ? :mrgreen:

[JPersad]

Ramesh must be have files on he too :D there is still the old talk of what he was doing at a big boy office at CL Financial on the day of Panday's court verdict... some of you like to forget easily :roll:


maybe he was asking for a scholarship ? :mrgreen:


.......or two ! :o :o

[Maccogirl]

Who knows what he will ask for?? We can only know that if and when the COP gets into power now can we, we can only tell how anyone will perform from what they will do when they get a chance to act. We all know that Summit Financial was a total failure with people losing millions of dollars even with Dookeran at the head and the claim of him being such a financial wiz :roll:

[JPersad]

pssst .........RLM ....I have photos of Dookeran in another house .
How much yuh paying ?

[peanut]

Doh stray from de topic nah, Dooks know he have a good cutarse coming so he collapsing from now :P :lol:

[cm103]

He has been doing two and one time I heard even three meetings a night. Wish him all the best. Only one week to go and I hope his opponents show some consideration and not poke fun in the usual insensitive way.


Doh stray from de topic nah, Dooks know he have a good cutarse coming so he collapsing from now :P :lol:

It was apparently too much to ask....

[Maccogirl]

First he walking with his doctor to meeting, and to add to the drama the doctor did not show up at these meeting dressed like you and me nope that is too simple. Here we have a doctor making a grand entrance with Dookeran dressed in his robe and skull cap :roll:

Now all yuh want to convince that is was not put on for a show so the public could see that this man was a doctor, what happen the doctor does walk the road in his robe and skull cap he never heard of a change of clothes especially if you going to a political meeting not the operating room :roll:

All this dam nonsense by big hard back men that seeking to sit as PM of this country , now he fainting or falling down all over the place, is just one set of drama for sympathy, what else will these clowns stage manage :roll:

[Mr Majik]

Macco...I know that you and I are of differing political ideologies, but I have always respected your sense of party loyalty. You always let us know exactly where you stand, regardless if we share your views. And for that I commend you.
So why now slip into the realm of guttersniping?

To suggest that a 64 year old man must be faking it when he collapses is really low, unless you have a factual basis for your assertion. And I haven't seen you provide one.
Remember how you maligned those who thought it incredulous that you Great Leader had a miraculous recovery from life threatening heart problems? We thought it fascinating that his recovery came with the opening of the prison doors, and you defended him srongly.
That had more signs of 'faking' than this, so please, stick to the politics and get out of the gutter.

[Maccogirl]

Majik he may be ill but I do find walking with your doctor fully dressed in his cap and gown does make it look like a Saturday Night live performance that is all that I am saying

[TheLight]

The man can’t handle pressure


Dookeran arrived accompanied by Dr Omar Ali, a familiar figure in his long robe and skullcap along the COP campaign trail.

COP’s office states that Ali is a Chaguanas doctor.

Opposition MP Ganga Singh also said Ali had been Dookeran’s friend for more than 30 years and was involved in COP fund-raising.

At meeting’s end, Ali accompanied Dookeran in the black SUV transporting the COP leader.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news10.html

[BW]

The man can’t handle pressure

Agreed. Dookeran is not fit to be a leader.

[cm103]

The man can’t handle pressure

Agreed. Dookeran is not fit to be a leader.

Yeah, so lets vote in some politicians who going to trial for corruption.

[TheLight]

The man can’t handle pressure

Agreed. Dookeran is not fit to be a leader.

Yeah, so lets vote in some politicians who going to trial for corruption.

Nah, we must vote in politicians who spend 4 years in jail for trafficking cocaine

[Sumana]

and dat get deported in the process too!

[cm103]

Well apparently the more crooked the better for some people.

I not advocating ex cons but at least he went through the judicial system and paid his dues. Bas and Manning looking to line up their trials at the same time now.

I wonder if the heart pain excuse go work again and if Patos could use that as well?

More banana republic politics.

[Maccogirl]

CM Bas and Manning my be looking to line up their trials at the same time but the COP will have to beat them if they really want to take either one of them to court and at the moment I really don't see that happening, also Ganga and Sadiq will also have to pray that the COP wins this election because if the COP don't those two fellas will also be joining the line to the court house :D :D

[cm103]

MG, remind me again what party Sadiq and Ganga were members of when these allegations surfaced? And who refused to investigate? Ramesh only there to pick up the scraps of the party after Bas get tied down in legal issues next year.

If I smuggling coke and ammunition I going to store it in a water tank that I drink from right? And do that while I on vacation? That make sense right?

I bet as a UNC activist you was all to happy to cheer on Sadiq on his beach cleanups and rehab efforts. Now that the engine room of the UNC has moved on I see the bad mind has taken over.

COP don't need to win to take Bas to court, that is the job of the DPP. Ent he still facing a retrial and waiting for his trial for Oma taking money from Carlos?

Patos, i feel he ent seeing the inside of a courtroom because PNM rules not letting him get there. I would love to be proven wrong though.

[peanut]

CM, Do not be surpised if the UNC wins this election 21-20. There is grave concern in the COP camp as every poll is showing Dookeran will lose his seat, and supporters are leaving the COP and returning to the UNC because of the unwillingness to have an accommodation to beat the PNM.

The people's focus is not in new politics, but it is on removing that wicked PNM Government and they realize it wain't gonna happen with the COP.

[cm103]

Well the people are also realizing that PNM/UNC = same corruption. The NACTA is the only poll showing anything close to the result you're talking about and who friend running it again? Also, it was looking more like the UNC was losing more of their base back to the PNM , not sure how that going now that the Manning schol thing came up.

Why are you still on this accommodation? The same polls you quoting do not have the PNM winning any special majority. You yourself said previously that that is your main hope, and this is a reality without any accommodation.

If the people's focus is not on new politics and change then the people will lose in the end. Trinidad should have outgrown the old time politics and seek to move forward and secure the economy for when our oil reserves start running low.

[Sumana]

And who runs Ansa McAl poll? Anytime something's not going in favour of COP, there's suddenly a huge issue.

[cm103]

And who runs Ansa McAl poll? Anytime something's not going in favour of COP, there's suddenly a huge issue.

As far as I know, the UWI Psychological Research Department has a large part in the taking of that poll.

When the Selwn Ryan, CADRES and UWI/Ansa McAL polls came out all you UNC supporters were quick to denounce them as well.

[Sumana]

Only because after the UNC rally selwyn ryan was all praises for UNCA - and that poll was conducted before the rally - or do you understand these things selectively?

[cm103]

That does not discount the fact that the UNC supporters were all up in arms against it. How many people you really think got swayed by the 'size' of the Mdcenter crowd? What about L Guerre talking about the UNC rumbling against themselves only?

How about after Manning exposed the fact about Ramesh that we all knew was true all along? or the fact that Ramesh "conveniently" got a letter in the mail that same week. That ent fooling no one. How you think your poll go react to that? Bisram have some cooking to do now.

[snowbird]

With regard to the topic of the thread; it is not surprising that a man burning the candle at both ends they way Winston is obviously doing will eventually succumb to the rigours of his current schedule. Also not surprising is that supporters of other parties will use even incidents of his unfortunate ill health for political gain; but heaven forbid, should it turn out that he is seriously ill or worse, I'm willing to bet that those same 'sensitive' individuals will be the first to commend the man for giving 150% to his party...... ah Trini politics, yuh gotta love it.

[JPersad]

Suddenly the UNC supporters in here very concerned about Dookeran health .
But if alyuh not concerned about RLM and his low MO and Bas and Jack lying about having court with Nelson Mandela and Bas upcoming trial , then I feel UNC done win this election already .
By a landslide !
I also feel it will snow in Trinidad on Tuesday November 6th , 2007 !

[vaio]

He has been doing two and one time I heard even three meetings a night. Wish him all the best. Only one week to go and I hope his opponents show some consideration and not poke fun in the usual insensitive way.


Doh stray from de topic nah, Dooks know he have a good cutarse coming so he collapsing from now :P :lol:

It was apparently too much to ask....

CM you really expected otherwise..

[peanut]

With regard to the topic of the thread; it is not surprising that a man burning the candle at both ends they way Winston is obviously doing will eventually succumb to the rigours of his current schedule. Also not surprising is that supporters of other parties will use even incidents of his unfortunate ill health for political gain; but heaven forbid, should it turn out that he is seriously ill or worse, I'm willing to bet that those same 'sensitive' individuals will be the first to commend the man for giving 150% to his party...... ah Trini politics, yuh gotta love it.

lawd you are so wrong, my first comment will surely be, "this is what happens when you put a jack-ass to run with the horses"

[lou_uk]

But Peanut, wasn't you who say yuh moving with COP de odda day? Dookeran is de man? No?

In other news I see Vincent Lasse trying to renew his PNM membership..

[peanut]

I did but unfortunately Dookeran cannot see the bigger picture and how important it is to have an accommodation with the UNC to remove the PNM to protect the democracy of T&T.

The way I look at it, the Democracy of T&T is more important than the bitterness Dookeran shares for the co-leaders of the UNC, and in my book if you cannot put the Country before Party, yuh not getting my vote.

And yes I will be coming home for 3 days in time for the election so I can vote.

[lou_uk]

Yeah that was my other question - if you coming home. Apparently a lot of people are. Last week for eg. a caller from the US to 91.9fm stated that a certain party's supporters have organised and managed to fill at least three planes, arriving this week.. That could be a bluff though...

[Somebody007]

Ah wonder what Panday saying or thinking about this..... :roll: :roll: Ah know Manning would express some sorrow or wish the man good health but yuh think Panday wannah do that???

[Somebody007]

Yuh know, thinking about this now, I starting to wonder if Dookeran have the health and strength to continue in the life of Politics. Yuh think if the man was to become Prime Minister now, he would last for the five years??

[cm103]

From what I hear the man diabetic and not eating right since he rushing to this meeting and that with only 3-4 hours tops of sleep per night. Before people jump up and ask who I hear this from, its from his camp.

After elections over politicians don't have this type of stress on a daily basis so I don't see it as a worry. If he couldn't continue though I expect him to pass on the reigns of the party. Anyone who has talked to him face-to-face would see that he does not believe he alone is the COP.

[vaio]

After elections over politicians don't have this type of stress on a daily basis so I don't see it as a worry. If he couldn't continue though I expect him to pass on the reigns of the party. Anyone who has talked to him face-to-face would see that he does not believe he alone is the COP.


that is something no other leader might contemplate doing...

[Maccogirl]

So why is he passing on the reign of the party to someone else?? Manning took is licks and sat in opposition with 3 people, Panday took his licks and built the UNC so what is so different with Dookeran if he truly believes that T&T needs a new kind of governance.

[Parsifal]

From what I hear the man diabetic and not eating right since he rushing to this meeting and that with only 3-4 hours tops of sleep per night. Before people jump up and ask who I hear this from, its from his camp.

After elections over politicians don't have this type of stress on a daily basis so I don't see it as a worry. If he couldn't continue though I expect him to pass on the reigns of the party. Anyone who has talked to him face-to-face would see that he does not believe he alone is the COP.

If we are to believe what Patrick Manning said on the stress levels of the Prime Minister's position it does indeed take alot of work and effort.

In fact Patrick Manning has been utilizing the services of a personal fitness trainer. He is very fit for a man of 61. In fact out of the three, sorry, four leaders (I forgot about Jack!), he is by far in the best physical condition. I would say even better than he looked 7-8 years ago.

So Mr. Dookeran's health would be a cause for concern. He has had two older brothers die a year apart recently so if we go by that he really has to watch himself.

This is not a race or battle for the "faint" of heart! You need "testicular fortitude" and so on and so on blah blah blah......

[JPersad]

I will recommend "The Fat Smash Diet " by Dr Ian Smith .It worked for me .Lost significant weight (If I give up alcohol , I would lose even more ), bad cholesterol went down and is now in the accepted range .Overall feeling a whole lot better .

[Parsifal]

I will recommend "The Fat Smash Diet " by Dr Ian Smith .It worked for me .Lost significant weight (If I give up alcohol , I would lose even more ), bad cholesterol went down and is now in the accepted range .Overall feeling a whole lot better .

Just give up the animal protein completely and the sugar (soft drinks especially).

I used to weigh a very unhealthy and unsightly 280 a year ago. I am down to 225 now and feeling great! My target is 190lbs.

Give up the beers and have a glass of white or red wine in the evening.....excellent tonic that!

And most importantly play cricket (hard ball not no damn windball) 3 times a week in the evening with some partners....the West Indies needs fellars like us JP!!!!

[JPersad]

With the exception of the beer , I agree with you .
But summer over , so is back to jogging and table tennis .

[Somebody007]

With the exception of the beer , I agree with you .
But summer over , so is back to jogging and table tennis .


I could see JPersad lovin he punch de creme come Christmas time.... :D :D :D

[cm103]

So why is he passing on the reign of the party to someone else?? Manning took is licks and sat in opposition with 3 people, Panday took his licks and built the UNC so what is so different with Dookeran if he truly believes that T&T needs a new kind of governance.

Manning winning he seat for donkey years now. When Chambers lost his what happened to him as political leader?

Dookeran seems more inclined to step aside once he realizes it's in the best interest of the country, party and his health. Some other political leaders have not learned that trait so it seems.

[JPersad]

With the exception of the beer , I agree with you .
But summer over , so is back to jogging and table tennis .


I could see JPersad lovin he punch de creme come Christmas time.... :D :D :D
Add sorrel and a case of cold Stag and we good to go !
I will share all my liquor , except the Stag .Stag hard to find over here.

[JPersad]

I think Dookeran is very aware of his health issues and his family health history .I think he is putting it off until this campaign is over .
However he should aim for at least 6 hour sleep every night and catch a couple extra hours on weekends .
Dookeran , like myself love to eat .But as we get older we have to cut down on portions and stop eating white flour , white rice and parboiled rice .Cut down on meat .Go very easy on the sugar , salt and oil !

[Parsifal]

I think Dookeran is very aware of his health issues and his family health history .I think he is putting it off until this campaign is over .
However he should aim for at least 6 hour sleep every night and catch a couple extra hours on weekends .
Dookeran , like myself love to eat .But as we get older we have to cut down on portions and stop eating white flour , white rice and parboiled rice .Cut down on meat .Go very easy on the sugar , salt and oil !

Eat ground provisions like dasheen, eddoes and tannia. They have half the calories of rice and they create the sensation of being "full" very quickly so you end up eating less anyway.

Tomatoes and ochroes are a must.....they help with the body's ability to evacuate.

Vary the peas and beans.

No butter, no cheese and no sugar.

Leave out the coffee (so no more Tim Horton's for you!) and you are good to go.

[Somebody007]

Yuh know, I never know the Guardian blog had so mucha specialists and doctors that can provide so many recommendations for good health. When I sick, instead of going by a real doctor I go come right here on d forum. Well here's what I need help.....I have a persistent dry cough for months on end. A couple months ago I had a bad case of the flu.....while the flu left and never got it back, a vicious dry cough remained and a couple of months later, after trying honey and lime and all other tablets from over the counter, the dry cough is still on my chest, rattling all day and all night. What should I do?

[JPersad]

Yuh know, I never know the Guardian blog had so mucha specialists and doctors that can provide so many recommendations for good health. When I sick, instead of going by a real doctor I go come right here on d forum. Well here's what I need help.....I have a persistent dry cough for months on end. A couple months ago I had a bad case of the flu.....while the flu left and never got it back, a vicious dry cough remained and a couple of months later, after trying honey and lime and all other tablets from over the counter, the dry cough is still on my chest, rattling all day and all night. What should I do?
Quit smoking !
Drinks lots of water .Have a grapefruit everyday , along with at least 35 minutes exercise every other day .
When your health improves , send me a case of Stag !

[Parsifal]

Yuh know, I never know the Guardian blog had so mucha specialists and doctors that can provide so many recommendations for good health. When I sick, instead of going by a real doctor I go come right here on d forum. Well here's what I need help.....I have a persistent dry cough for months on end. A couple months ago I had a bad case of the flu.....while the flu left and never got it back, a vicious dry cough remained and a couple of months later, after trying honey and lime and all other tablets from over the counter, the dry cough is still on my chest, rattling all day and all night. What should I do?

From Parsifal - PhD in Quackology:

The cure is as follows:

Take your COP and/or UNCA party card(s), jersey, cap, posters and bumper stickers.
Put them into a pile outside on a paved concrete area.
Pour some kerosene on it and light up with Three Plumes safety matches (dem other ones don't strike at the first touch).
Recite 3 times "magnum est PNM et prevabalit".
Pick a balisier......avoid snakes.
Get a chick with a big, nice, round bamsee.
Come to Marabella tonight.
Bawl dong de place like 10 tarzan when you see Patos (don't try to hit him with de balisier....I know you may have some COP/UNCA tendencies still)
Take a jump up.
Go back home and sleep dreaming of Vision 2020, Eric Williams etc. (ideally sleeping with the chick with the nice, big, round bamsee!)
Wake up and listen to the Gladiator (forget about Anil, Inshan and Suruj).

if you do all of these things and most importantly vote PNM on November 5th 2007 then you will surely be cured.........if that does not work then some Vicks and Ferrol will have to do! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[snowbird]

So why is he passing on the reign of the party to someone else?? Manning took is licks and sat in opposition with 3 people, Panday took his licks and built the UNC so what is so different with Dookeran if he truly believes that T&T needs a new kind of governance.

What a joke, the UNC was a shambles until they aligned with the other parties to form the UNCA; you may recall when the COP had their Red Rally in Woodford Square, Panday was shaking in his boots; it is then that he decided to go out and try to 'buy' the type of credibility that Winston had, that is what Stephen Cadiz and his people were able to bring to the table 'credibility'; don't you recall that right up to the 11th hour Bas and company was still 'begging' the COP to come on side; build de UNC???? what ah joke, others had to come in and save the UNC.

[Maccogirl]

Look girl I always told you that you living in the cold too long, you are so distant from what going on in T&T I will have to excuse your constant nonsense :roll:

You sitting in Canada and talking nonsense on every chat forum, why is it that the persons that living abroad who have no intention of ever coming back to T&T to live are the ones on here that feel they can instruct or inform anyone of us living in T&T what is right for all of us? :roll:

Are you voting in this election?? If you are not well then leave us alone nah be it PNM or UNC that wins leave we let us deal with our issues, what happen Canada don't have election go and study what contribution you can make to your quality of life in Canada, lord eh .......leave we in we mess is ok we will deal with it in our own way :roll: :roll:

[JPersad]

Look girl I always told you that you living in the cold too long, you are so distant from what going on in T&T I will have to excuse your constant nonsense :roll:

You sitting in Canada and talking nonsense on every chat forum, why is it that the persons that living abroad who have no intention of ever coming back to T&T to live are the ones on here that feel they can instruct or inform anyone of us living in T&T what is right for all of us? :roll:

Are you voting in this election?? If you are not well then leave us alone nah be it PNM or UNC that wins leave we let us deal with our issues, what happen Canada don't have election go and study what contribution you can make to your quality of life in Canada, lord eh .......leave we in we mess is ok we will deal with it in our own way :roll: :roll:
Macco ,
That is is not nice .
How are you to know with any certainity Snowbird have no intentions of returning home and making a contribution ?(Even though I think she making some damn good ones in here )
Your logic dictates that Vasant Bharath , Kurt Meighoo and Mikela Panday have no rights in Trinidad , moreso they should not be UNC candidates .

Like I said before MG , UNC still have good people .It is just the leaders who are self destructing the party .
So please , even while supporting the different parties can we all just get along ?

[cm103]

From what I hear the man diabetic and not eating right since he rushing to this meeting and that with only 3-4 hours tops of sleep per night. Before people jump up and ask who I hear this from, its from his camp.

After elections over politicians don't have this type of stress on a daily basis so I don't see it as a worry. If he couldn't continue though I expect him to pass on the reigns of the party. Anyone who has talked to him face-to-face would see that he does not believe he alone is the COP.

If we are to believe what Patrick Manning said on the stress levels of the Prime Minister's position it does indeed take alot of work and effort.

In fact Patrick Manning has been utilizing the services of a personal fitness trainer. He is very fit for a man of 61. In fact out of the three, sorry, four leaders (I forgot about Jack!), he is by far in the best physical condition. I would say even better than he looked 7-8 years ago.

So Mr. Dookeran's health would be a cause for concern. He has had two older brothers die a year apart recently so if we go by that he really has to watch himself.

This is not a race or battle for the "faint" of heart! You need "testicular fortitude" and so on and so on blah blah blah......

Well Manning did use the people's money to build himself a nice kitchen with a freezer bigger than KFC, then followed it up with a $600k gym so he could afford to be fit. Not to be outdone by himself, he now built a new house.

If Dooks get the PM position then he will definitely need to alter his lifestyle or face serious health risks.

[Maccogirl]

Cm he can use the gym to get back in health, he can swim daily in that nice heated pool, he don't have to worry about getting a haircut he will have his own beauty salon at home, and when he wants to pray he has his own chapel. :D

I must also add he need not worry about taking his wife out old years night all he has to do is get divine echoes to play free of charge, invite a few friend dress formally and things good for his private new years party :D

[cm103]

Sounding nice...what is Bas backup plan? A 30 minute walk around the exercise yard?

[Parsifal]

Sounding nice...what is Bas backup plan? A 30 minute walk around the exercise yard?

Ouch! Not nice.........but so very true.

[lou_uk]

I have not seen or heard that Dookeran collapsed over the weekend in any form of media at all. Where did you get this info Dispatcher?

[snowbird]

Look girl I always told you that you living in the cold too long, you are so distant from what going on in T&T I will have to excuse your constant nonsense :roll:

You sitting in Canada and talking nonsense on every chat forum, why is it that the persons that living abroad who have no intention of ever coming back to T&T to live are the ones on here that feel they can instruct or inform anyone of us living in T&T what is right for all of us? :roll:

Are you voting in this election?? If you are not well then leave us alone nah be it PNM or UNC that wins leave we let us deal with our issues, what happen Canada don't have election go and study what contribution you can make to your quality of life in Canada, lord eh .......leave we in we mess is ok we will deal with it in our own way :roll: :roll:
Macco ,
That is is not nice .
How are you to know with any certainity Snowbird have no intentions of returning home and making a contribution ?(Even though I think she making some damn good ones in here )
Your logic dictates that Vasant Bharath , Kurt Meighoo and Mikela Panday have no rights in Trinidad , moreso they should not be UNC candidates .

Like I said before MG , UNC still have good people .It is just the leaders who are self destructing the party .
So please , even while supporting the different parties can we all just get along ?

JP do worry wid she, every time ah hit ah nerve she doz go off on ah 'yuh is ah Kanadian tirade'. Wait till she hear 'observers' comin, she go blow ah fuse :lol:

Maccs, ah kno yuh want me tuh leave some ah dem Trinis tuh de ignorance, daz is how Panday lik it....... " leh we sen we chilren away tuh school, buh keep dem chilren in de cane "........ Long live Caroni, home ah de peasants who continue tuh make dis man King...... ignorance is bliss;

doh worry Maccs, ah comin tuh cut cane :lol:

[JPersad]

Snowbird ,
Panday still think he dealing with the central pheasants of 10-25 years ago .
If he was paying attention , these said pheasants were making sacrifices and sending their children to school.While many were not fortunate to get scholarship to study in England , they did the best with what they had .
Bas seem to forget many have internet access and a part of the Global Village .He and Jack was exposed for lying about meeting with Nelson Mandela .
So while some of the older generation will let Bas slide , thier offsprings will not .
Yes , I am a proud off spring of the central pheasants .

[snowbird]

Snowbird ,
Panday still think he dealing with the central pheasants of 10-25 years ago .
If he was paying attention , these said pheasants were making sacrifices and sending their children to school.While many were not fortunate to get scholarship to study in England , they did the best with what they had .
Bas seem to forget many have internet access and a part of the Global Village .He and Jack was exposed for lying about meeting with Nelson Mandela .
So while some of the older generation will let Bas slide , thier offsprings will not .
Yes , I am a proud off spring of the central pheasants .


Daz why Macco want meh hush meh mouth, dey have ah vested interest in keepin dey grass roots in ignorance. Buh ah done say ah go hush meh mouth wen ah six foot under :twisted:

[Maccogirl]

Oh god you two still with this Africa trip nonsense??? Look it have major issues here a electoral list that have errors, polling card going out to people that don't exist or dead, Manning's mongoose gang slapping PNM supporters, and the lists goes on but you two stuck in Africa somewhere on a wild safari :roll:

COP supporters talking one set of nonsense daily on here their issue is Jack, Bas and Ramesh while the PNM going to steal this election in broad daylight from both the COP and the UNCA, keep it up man take care come Tuesday morning you don't end up looking at 41 seats for the PNM and you all will not know what the hell happened :roll: :roll:

[vaio]

what the hell happened is that Bas loved power too much and lost the fight for gov't..his main fight is with COP.

[Maccogirl]

Well Vaio why is it that every ad in the paper from the COP is against the UNC am still waiting to see an ad against the PNM maybe you should ask that question first. :roll:

[cm103]

Oh god you two still with this Africa trip nonsense??? Look it have major issues here a electoral list that have errors, polling card going out to people that don't exist or dead, Manning's mongoose gang slapping PNM supporters, and the lists goes on but you two stuck in Africa somewhere on a wild safari :roll:

COP supporters talking one set of nonsense daily on here their issue is Jack, Bas and Ramesh while the PNM going to steal this election in broad daylight from both the COP and the UNCA, keep it up man take care come Tuesday morning you don't end up looking at 41 seats for the PNM and you all will not know what the hell happened :roll: :roll:


Them same polls you so love to quote don't have the PNM winning anything close to 41. Call Bas and let him know who the real enemy is then. He is the one screaming crush the COP and he by Jack giving ultimatum for unity.

Is not like you don't come on here yourself to talk your stuff about the COP on your own.

[Maccogirl]

I know I saw a poll in the Sunday guardian the same Mc al poll that is saying now PNM 52%. COP 14% and UNCA 9%

So where has all the COP support gone where is the 24% to the PNM 27% gone, have all the COP people now gone back to the PNM, its Ansa poll not mine and you COP supporters were saying on here that this is the only true poll so what is happening now???

[Parsifal]

MG to be fair....the question posited was "Who do you think will win the election?" as opposed to "Who are you going to vote for?"

[cm103]

I didn't see that poll sorry, post the results and the target location so that we could discuss the findings then.

Didn't Jackbas say that the COP supporters coming back home? Where exactly is home according to the results you just posted?

[sharun]

CM, Do not be surpised if the UNC wins this election 21-20. There is grave concern in the COP camp as every poll is showing Dookeran will lose his seat, and supporters are leaving the COP and returning to the UNC because of the unwillingness to have an accommodation to beat the PNM.

The people's focus is not in new politics, but it is on removing that wicked PNM Government and they realize it wain't gonna happen with the COP.

You might be right about that. I heard that too. It's a real shame. After this election, who knows if there'll be free elections in TT.

[peanut]

Yuh have to admire the COP supporters on here for their emotional persistence though, however elections in T&T is a harsh reality of what a base support can accomplish.

I have seen a whole lot of 3rd parties at election times, and many of you weren't even born yet, and not one of them, not even those of longstanding like NJAC have succeeded. What make you all think the COP will?

The UNC, and say what you want about Panday could now be considered another political institution like the PNM. Check out all the top ranking members of the COP and their candidates, everyone of them was either UNC or PNM before turning COP, so if all yuh really think the COP stands a chance, you all need to learn about T&T politics and the voting patterns.

[cm103]

History was made in 1986 when the NAR swept into power and again in 1991 when the UNC got the most amount of opposition votes as well (they were also a third party). History and voting patterns didn't make a difference in those cases. Neither did it make a difference to the PNM of 1956.

I'll be real, its is and has been an upward journey for the COP, but, for a party to have their level of support after only just a year says quite a bit about the need for change from the old style of politics. People are fed up of the arrogance of the PNM and the infighting and dishonesty of the UNC.

Panday's UNC is just that...Panday's party. Beyond him what future does the party have when every potential leader has been cut down by him?

[peanut]

Check back your fact Dearie,the opposition parties as history has proven a 3rd Party does not stand a chance in Trinidad. In 1991 the PNM won the election and Manning unadvisedly called election in 1995 and it was 17-17 PNM/UNC and NAR 2. NAR fielded candidates in Trinidad but only won the 2 Tobago seats.

I also dare you to go back to 1956 and tell me when a 3rd Party in T&T ever formed the Gov't. T&T has room for only 2 parties, the PNM and 1 other and this time around it ain't the COP.

BTW

You do know the PNM is Eric Williams Party right? To this day Manning is still trying to make it Patrick's National Movement.

Now give me a straight up honest answer, if the people are so fed up of the PNM and the UNC why is it that the COP don't stand a ghost of a chance of beating the PNM? Why is it that the Leader of the COP is in danger of losing his seat? Why is it that the COP is unable to destroy the UNC base since the COP is about new politics?

It seems to me that by supporting the PNM and the UNC, the people is saying it loud and clear .... COP, WE LIKE IT SO!

[cm103]

Peanut, I was asking where was the historical precedent for the examples I gave. Not about any third party or forming the government. Were you there in 1986 and 1991 telling them about history? Also, please tell me when we had 41 seats along with three parties so we can look at the history behind this situation.

You are so concerned about the COP not beating the PNM but you don't even look at who or what you're voting into power. Both political leaders are under the stigma of corruption and ethical violations but still in our third world mentality they can run for the highest political office in the land. If Panday is elected then you're replacing one maximum leader with another.

The fact that the COP has any support at all shows that there is a real interest in the new outlook. The support may not be in the majority now but it is more creditable than any of the other parties that opposed the UNC and PNM at election time. The St. Joseph seat is a marginal one but the political leader didn't try and get a safer seat and hide behind that.

You were right in your last statement, if the people want it so then so be it but lumping the UNC and PNM together is correct. They are more alike than different in the wrong ways.

[skl]

Check back your fact Dearie,the opposition parties as history has proven a 3rd Party does not stand a chance in Trinidad. !

History from 1956-1981 proved that the PNM could not be beaten

History from 1956-1991 proved that a predominantly Indian party could not form govt.

History has proven a lot of things..... until it didnt.

[peanut]

The fact that the COP has any support at all shows that there is a real interest in the new outlook. The support may not be in the majority now but it is more creditable than any of the other parties that opposed the UNC and PNM at election time. The St. Joseph seat is a marginal one but the political leader didn't try and get a safer seat and hide behind that.

What new outlook? With Sadiq, Augustus, Yetming, Lucky et al and now Achong? Give me a break :lol:

More credible you say? okie Dokie and dais y dey eh go get one seat :roll:

The is no safe, safer or even marginal seat for the COP .. THERE IS NO SEAT PERIOD :!: don't yuh get it yet!

[cm103]

Peanut, you have proved many times over that you are easily swayed in your political preference here. I'm actually surprised you stayed with one political party for so long, what is it now? A month?

There is no marginal seat for the COP because they didn't contest the last elections and therefore are newcomers.

The creditable part is compared to the CA, MUP and whoever else decided to form a party in the past elections the PNM and UNC have fought.

Keep telling yourself no seat while you campaign for your corruption mongers. The people are the only one suffering as a result but you accustomed to promoting that.

[JPersad]

Peanut .
Try and spin this one :
Any which way you look at it COP is on the upswing .

When the election is over it will be the opposite for the UNC .If they can then decide who is their leader :
Bas ?
RLM ?
Jack ?
Kamla ?
or Mikela

You have to hand it to the UNC though , plenty plenty , CHIEFS !

[snowbird]

Peanut .
Try and spin this one :
Any which way you look at it COP is on the upswing .

When the election is over it will be the opposite for the UNC .If they can then decide who is their leader :
Bas ?
RLM ?
Jack ?
Kamla ?
or Mikela

You have to hand it to the UNC though , plenty plenty , CHIEFS !


And if the UNC's actions for the last two or three years is any indication, boy it go be one setta bacchanal once the election over; everybody go be fighting everybody else, and all the supporters go be choosing up sides. Kamla, ah think she may be tired of "yes yuh is boss; no yuh not boss; yes, yuh is boss....; Jack, he may get fed up and just go back tuh he Teefin whooops, sorry FIFA business; so it go be Ramesh an Makela head tuh headwid Bas an Oma chookin fire in de background.

This forum promises to supply endless entertainment in the POLITICAL thread for at least another five years :)

[serenity]

Check back your fact Dearie,the opposition parties as history has proven a 3rd Party does not stand a chance in Trinidad. !

History from 1956-1981 proved that the PNM could not be beaten

History from 1956-1991 proved that a predominantly Indian party could not form govt.

History has proven a lot of things..... until it didnt.

Skl, ah luv how yuh does do that...plug the bs with commonsense and facts ;)