what about the animals?

[sylvestter]

i thought this was an interesting point of view. this is a letter to the editor printed in today's trinidad guardian:


What about the animals, parties?

As someone who is deeply committed to the rescue and rehabilitation of abused and abandoned animals, I was very heartened to see a newspaper photograph of Prime Minister Patrick Manning stroking a pet cat while on a campaign walkabout in Marabella.

I was also very heartened to see that the UNC Alliance has made a definitive statement about its plans for the humane treatment of animals in T&T. I am now wondering why haven’t I seen or heard anything from the COP or the PNM about their proposed policies for the more humane treatment of animals?

We are supposed to be people with a 2020 vision but we have much to learn from genuinely developed countries about animal welfare rights and laws. We can begin by examining the animal welfare policies and laws in Britain, the US, Germany, Sweden, Belgium and Canada for further enlightenment about the correlation between first world status and the humane treatment of animals.

A truly developed nation is one that is guided by a collective conscience that puts the welfare of all sentient beings first. The TTSPCA and Animal Welfare Network must be commended but both work with very small budgets and receive no government funding. As a result, every month hundreds of animals across the country are killed, neglected, abandoned, tortured or left to die painful deaths by ignorant and desensitised human beings.

A government with a broad-ranging vision will make a huge difference to animal welfare and set a good precedent for other Caribbean countries and the people of this nation who are in need of guidance.

Please note that, as an undecided voter, this is one of the issues that will swing my vote on November 5.

Carol Ann Mohamed
Woodbrook

now i really doh see how manning playing with a cat has any significance at all, and i am not aware of the unc's position on this.

what do you all think of this as an election issue?

[halo]

I agree..too many strays on the outside and too many road kill. We should put aside land for the care of these animals.

[bluemellow]

i also agree. there also needs to be better laws (and enforcement) for animal cruelty.

[Parsifal]

...did he just "brush" de cat or did he "stroke" de cat?

Did he get permission to 'touch" de cat?

Was it a furry cat? Or was it a short haired cat?....or was it a "bald" cat?

Were there any negative repercussions to the cat? Did the cat get a wage increase? Was the cat instructed on the role, function and place of the cat in the Vision 2020 document?

Was the cat a "Community Leader"?

Did the cat have identifiable "Moral and Spiritual Values"?

At the end of it all did the cat look satisfied and go back to sleep?

A cat is a nice thing you know and as a fellow lover of de cat he has my vote! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[snowbird]

What about the children????

[Parsifal]

What about the children????

Children can't vote but a bad "cat" could get you in trouble....best stay on the cat good side! :lol:

[serenity]

What about the children????
Exactly. There are too many other issues which need to be addressed urgently and with far more dire consequences than animals. Care for animals is all well and good, and I will support it, but its not so much of an issue for me this elections. I'm more interested in hearing about the game plan to combat crime.

[Parsifal]

I see that my attempt to inject some humour have gone unappreciated.

My cat vex now he get real ForCop!

[serenity]

I see that my attempt to inject some humour have gone unappreciated.

My cat vex now he get real ForCop!

:roll: :lol:

[Ocel(art)]

as an avid animal lover, i am glad also to see that the UNCA are showing concern for animal welfare. Who knows if they will go through with it, but the mere fact that they mentioned it (what some people would consider insignificant) suggests that they probably would. An Animal Cruelty hotline is a great idea in my opinion.

I know that welfare of children is equally important, but I think its important not to forget other living beings that suffer. Just the other day, a former forumite told me that her pet dog was poisoned. To people who love animals, this is devastating, and of course, no one can even bother to report it because the authorities will never do a thing because its considered "insignificant"...

[vaio]

as an avid animal lover, i am glad also to see that the UNCA are showing concern for animal welfare. Who knows if they will go through with it, but the mere fact that they mentioned it (what some people would consider insignificant) suggests that they probably would. An Animal Cruelty hotline is a great idea in my opinion.

I know that welfare of children is equally important, but I think its important not to forget other living beings that suffer. Just the other day, a former forumite told me that her pet dog was poisoned. To people who love animals, this is devastating, and of course, no one can even bother to report it because the authorities will never do a thing because its considered "insignificant"...

so, you really think they care about the animals??!! What abt the poor goat they taking advantage on their meetings...isn't that animal cruelty!!!??

[Ocel(art)]

so, you really think they care about the animals??!! What abt the poor goat they taking advantage on their meetings...isn't that animal cruelty!!!??

ok, calm down. you should check your facts first before you start ranting. it wasn't unca that brought the goat, but rather unca followers attending the rally...

[Sirius]

Frankly speaking I find it appalling that the party that spoke about animal welfare said nothing about the poor goat. If the party was serious about animal welfare, they should have enough backbone to say "aye, thanks for the show of support but that is the kind of thing we're standing against!"

[peanut]

Sirius, Please spare us the sanctimonius platitude, where Dookeran backbone was when NAR supporters were doing the same thing in '86 with the dogs? And you could bet yuh bottom for a dollar if it was the COP supporters who had done it Dookeran woulda grin and skin the same way he did in '86. steups!

[Sirius]

peanut, I talking about the UNCA incident of 2007. I am talking the 2007 elections in an era supposedly with a much more educated and forward thinking populace. So instead of ducking the issue and trying to backtrack to an incident most people forgot about twenty-one years ago, why not address the UNCA's deafening silence on animal abuse in this year's elections, at one of their meetings, while they talking animal welfare in their campaign?

Spare me all the drama about who do what or eh do what however many years ago. I talking about the here and now.

[peanut]

What abuse did that goat suffered? Was it beaten? Is it starving? Was it thirsty and they gave it no water? So what's the abuse, they put a COP jersey on it or is it an abuse because it was a COP jersey on the goat :roll: :roll:

[Maccogirl]

There are stray dogs walking all over POS anyone of you bleeding hearts ever did something about that?? Go to the beach and see the skinny dogs walking between the people sunbathing how come no one every raised a issue on this? The animal welfare people always asking for help, donations and so on they still begging for help if we had all these concerned citizens here in T&T that feel so sorry for this poor goat how come these people always want help?

As usual UNCA does something its an issue, I have not seen anything in the COP manifesto on animal welfare, like they forget that or what or is that something to come now that UNCA abused this goat :roll:

[Sirius]

What abuse did that goat suffered? Was it beaten? Is it starving? Was it thirsty and they gave it no water? So what's the abuse, they put a COP jersey on it or is it an abuse because it was a COP jersey on the goat :roll: :roll:

It's abuse because it's an animal (and not even a house pet) padded up in human clothing and held down for the meeting. Did you see the photo? Not even just a jersey. The poor goat was real pad up with badges an ting.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2007-10-30-7-1A.jpg

If UNCA campaigning for animal welfare, then I think it is hypocrisy to allow that kind of thing at their own meeting. Animal welfare was a positive point they had that the other two parties lacked, and then they nullified it by letting that kind of nonsense go on in their meeting.


Trinis in general seem to be very uncaring when it comes to animals. From the way people take care of the family dog to the strays in the road and the animals at the zoo, it is appalling. You know that Macco, so don't try to act so surprised that people eh kick a fuss over the strays at Maracas. You know very well it is only a select minority who even bothered to think twice about how that goat was treated. A couple of them happen to visit this board.

[Maccogirl]

You still did not answer the question what have you done for the cause of animal welfare in T&T, you seem to be concerned now but have you ever took such pains over this issue like you are now??

[Sirius]

I do my part with regards to whatever animals I have contact with, for many years aspired to veterinary medicine because of the state of animals in this country, and I have always pushed for a new zoo and better services from the TTSPCA. I do not however have to reveal details of my personal life online. So yes Macco, I have taken such pains over animal abuse before this goat incident, in fact much more pains than this goat incident. Don't point fingers where there is nothing to point at.

[Somebody007]

I do my part with regards to whatever animals I have contact with, for many years aspired to veterinary medicine because of the state of animals in this country, and I have always pushed for a new zoo and better services from the TTSPCA. I do not however have to reveal details of my personal life online. So yes Macco, I have taken such pains over animal abuse before this goat incident, in fact much more pains than this goat incident. Don't point fingers where there is nothing to point at.



Sirius, you in Trinidad?

[Huma]

I thought this thread's title was referring to the vast majority of the voting population.

[Somebody007]

I thought this thread's title was referring to the vast majority of the voting population.


Huma what took you so long to join the new forum? Welcome to all the comotion and confusion. Hope you enjoy some of the threads we have on the site. :mrgreen:

[Maccogirl]

Good for you I buy clothes from my Min Pin all the time and I sure don't think its abuse in any manner, as a matter of fact he knows all his clothes yesterday he had on a trick or treat shirt so putting clothes on a animal is not a major issue as you are making it out to be like you never took a shopping trip in Pet Smart in the USA :lol:

If you have a concern great but I only hope its a honest concern and not one that is elevated just due to the fact that it was done against the COP :roll:

[Sirius]

Like I stated: "and not even a house pet"

There are animals that are bred as house pets and whose temperaments mean they can be clothed and whatever else. However, a goat is not one of these. The issue is not that the animal was dressed, but whether that kind of animal takes well to it, how it is clothed, and the manner in which it was carried thereafter. It was paraded around a political meeting as a big joke and then held down presumably until the owner went home. All this at a UNCA meeting where the UNCA hosts said not a peep about the welfare of the animal despite talking animal welfare on their platform.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't care what party the goat was meant to take a stab at.

And yeah, I am in Trinidad. I, along with several friends of mine are always talking about the sorry state of animals in this country but unfortunately it seems 99% of others really don't care one bit. Probably explains a lot about the country: It is said one can tell a lot about a person by how they treat their <perceived> inferiors.

[Maccogirl]

Hmmm well my Min Pin happy and healthy, he also loves his clothes so I wonder what does that say about me :lol: :lol: :lol:

[vaio]

so, you really think they care about the animals??!! What abt the poor goat they taking advantage on their meetings...isn't that animal cruelty!!!??

ok, calm down. you should check your facts first before you start ranting. it wasn't unca that brought the goat, but rather unca followers attending the rally...

Oh, i am soooo sorry, but RLM, Bas, Rambachan and all the others who grinning on the stage...not supporting it?????? Crap

i saw what that goat went through, i was there with a friend...they held down the goat, who was struggling to get away, forced the clothing on it, paraded it around the meeting, the left the poor goat to listen to the loud and stupid things that were being said on the platform...

FYI...YOU get the facts first!!!!!! Like allyuh don't understand what cruelty to animals mean or what....read some of what Sirius has to say adn think abt it before jumping to some dumb comments nah... :twisted:

[Maccogirl]

Vaio you going UNCA meeting whatttttt!!! like you gone against girl :lol:

[vaio]

Vaio you going UNCA meeting whatttttt!!! like you gone against girl :lol:

nah! :mrgreen: i was there just as an observer and it was next door to my friend's place. i am glad i went.... Now i know for sure i cannot support UNC....

[JPersad]

Bet your life if that had happenned in a developed country , dem fellas would already have arrested and charged .

[Parsifal]

Bet your life if that had happenned in a developed country , dem fellas would already have arrested and charged .

In the Vision 2020 document the rights of Goats and now even Donkeys is enshrined and guaranteed!

[Maccogirl]

Bet your life if that had happenned in a developed country , dem fellas would already have arrested and charged .

In the Vision 2020 document the rights of Goats and now even Donkeys is enshrined and guaranteed!


:D :D :D :D :D :D

[vaio]

Bet your life if that had happenned in a developed country , dem fellas would already have arrested and charged .

In the Vision 2020 document the rights of Goats and now even Donkeys is enshrined and guaranteed!


Ahhh....yes....but don't forget that they shld be dressed up!

[Ocel(art)]

Like I stated: "and not even a house pet"

There are animals that are bred as house pets and whose temperaments mean they can be clothed and whatever else. However, a goat is not one of these. The issue is not that the animal was dressed, but whether that kind of animal takes well to it, how it is clothed, and the manner in which it was carried thereafter. It was paraded around a political meeting as a big joke and then held down presumably until the owner went home. All this at a UNCA meeting where the UNCA hosts said not a peep about the welfare of the animal despite talking animal welfare on their platform.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't care what party the goat was meant to take a stab at.

And yeah, I am in Trinidad. I, along with several friends of mine are always talking about the sorry state of animals in this country but unfortunately it seems 99% of others really don't care one bit. Probably explains a lot about the country: It is said one can tell a lot about a person by how they treat their <perceived> inferiors.

ok, you claim to have wanted to study vetinary medicine, but a clothed goat is not animal cruelty. the cruelty that the animal suffered was that it was misplaced from its usual environment and put into a crowded area with loud noises, that it more than likely was unaccustomed to.

i am more than likely certain that either
a) unca didnt even notice the goat amongst the hundreds of people in the crowd
b) they probably weren't aware that the animal was in a stressful condition, as u aren't aware why the goat was being treated cruelly

[Sirius]

Well Ocel(art), clearly you didn't read my post properly if you're still saying my issue was a "clothed goat"

I'll repeat it for you:


The issue is not that the animal was dressed, but whether that kind of animal takes well to it, how it is clothed, and the manner in which it was carried thereafter. It was paraded around a political meeting as a big joke and then held down presumably until the owner went home.

Sling a jersey on it, fine, but watch that picture and you will see it is well padded up with not just the COP jersey but COP badges plastered all over. You could imagine how that poor animal would have suffered in the heat? It was a hairy animal, in a crowd, in the tropics, padded in not just a jersey but multiple badges that restrict air flow, and held down stationary on top of it all.

Do not forget when animals are usually clothed: House pets in cold weather conditions. The mere fact that so many people are oblivious to what the cruelty in question really is really reflects on our society. As I have said other times before; we come from a society that keeps flea bitten, sickly dogs as pets without getting them to a vet, a society that finds it no big deal to lick down an animal on the highway, a society that remains mum to animals being kept in a small cage at the zoo with flies all over them.

I really should not expect the vast majority of the populace to even begin to understand what animal cruelty entails. It does not simply involve flogging the animal until it bleeds, just for the record.

[Ocel(art)]

so, you really think they care about the animals??!! What abt the poor goat they taking advantage on their meetings...isn't that animal cruelty!!!??

ok, calm down. you should check your facts first before you start ranting. it wasn't unca that brought the goat, but rather unca followers attending the rally...

Oh, i am soooo sorry, but RLM, Bas, Rambachan and all the others who grinning on the stage...not supporting it?????? Crap

i saw what that goat went through, i was there with a friend...they held down the goat, who was struggling to get away, forced the clothing on it, paraded it around the meeting, the left the poor goat to listen to the loud and stupid things that were being said on the platform...

FYI...YOU get the facts first!!!!!! Like allyuh don't understand what cruelty to animals mean or what....read some of what Sirius has to say adn think abt it before jumping to some dumb comments nah... :twisted:

take a chill pill first.
didnt i say that it was the supporters who brought the goat? you said the unca brought the goat and i corrected you, you getting vex.
and then you have no problem eating goat eh?
and as u were so quick to support sirius, you would read that even he agrees that the vast majority of people including the above mentioned unca members have no idea what animal cruelty entails...


Sling a jersey on it, fine, but watch that picture and you will see it is well padded up with not just the COP jersey but COP badges plastered all over. You could imagine how that poor animal would have suffered in the heat? It was a hairy animal, in a crowd, in the tropics, padded in not just a jersey but multiple badges that restrict air flow, and held down stationary on top of it all.

Do not forget when animals are usually clothed: House pets in cold weather conditions. The mere fact that so many people are oblivious to what the cruelty in question really is really reflects on our society. As I have said other times before; we come from a society that keeps flea bitten, sickly dogs as pets without getting them to a vet, a society that finds it no big deal to lick down an animal on the highway, a society that remains mum to animals being kept in a small cage at the zoo with flies all over them.

I really should not expect the vast majority of the populace to even begin to understand what animal cruelty entails. It does not simply involve flogging the animal until it bleeds, just for the record.

eh heh, and you discussed the loud noise where? that was the biggest thing that would have stressed the animal out.

[jacques]

And yeah, I am in Trinidad. I, along with several friends of mine are always talking about the sorry state of animals in this country but unfortunately it seems 99% of others really don't care one bit. Probably explains a lot about the country: It is said one can tell a lot about a person by how they treat their <perceived> inferiors.

Never a truer word was spoken.

[Vampire_Princess]

Goats and COP keep cropping up.
First they said someone was caught "in flagrante" with a goat. Now someone dressing up a goat.

Perhaps it is the same goat, and she was attending to support her man. :roll:




At any rate, while it might be illuminating to see how people treat their animals, let's worry more about how they treat other humans first.

[cm103]

Perhaps it is the same goat, and she was attending to support her man. :roll:



LOL...I hadda laugh at that one

[peanut]

VP, then she was at the wrong meeting .. Anand is on the other team :P

[scrunter]

And yeah, I am in Trinidad. I, along with several friends of mine are always talking about the sorry state of animals in this country but unfortunately it seems 99% of others really don't care one bit. Probably explains a lot about the country: It is said one can tell a lot about a person by how they treat their <perceived> inferiors.

Never a truer word was spoken.

for true man you in Trinidad...then you are aware of AWN are you a member....man ah used to luv Christmas and new years eve but now with all dem darn fireworks and loud loud scratch bombs meh dogs and cats does suffer but worst than dat when you go out the road de next day you does see so many animals either knock down injured or simply lost.

ah hope whoever in authority do something about this illegal practice soon.

[jacques]

Whoever in authority will not.

What I am wondering is if, since it is illegal to set off fireworks within the boundaries of a town, it would be possible to bring private prosecutions. Once a couple of people are condemned, some (not all obviously) will get the message...

The law is there. It should be possible to use it.

[peanut]

prosecution for what jacques .. dressing up a goat? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[jacques]

No, we've shifted to the subject of fireworks....

[peanut]

Then start a thread on fireworks .. this is about animals :mrgreen:

[jacques]

Fireworks and animals... ;)

[Maccogirl]

As to the fireworks and all the animal cop supporters like some of you don't notice how many scratch bombs, fireworks and so on goes off in Westmorring during the Christmas time, I hope that the COP really do something about this since they have this new concern over the welfare of animals :lol: