Politics Has a Morality of it's Own

[six4]

The mark buss. Gillian tells it all.

http://guardian.co.tt/news2.html ..........as of October 26th, 2007

COP’s Gillian Lucky during the party’s political meeting at George Earl Park in St Joseph on Monday night. Photo: Lester Forde

Gillian’s claims

She was asked to “lie” in the "teacup brawl" in Parliament's tearoom
She was also asked to fabricate information to make Keith Rowley look bad
She refused and chose to maintain her integrity
BY GEISHA KOWLESSAR

CONGRESS of the People candidate for St Joseph, Gillian Lucky, says she was asked to “lie” about the teacup incident which occurred in Parliament almost two years ago.

Addressing supporters in St Helena on Wednesday night, Lucky said she was asked to fabricate a report stemming from the “teacup incident,” which involved PNM MP, Dr Keith Rowley, and UNC MP, Chandresh Sharma.

Both men were involved in an incident in the parliament tearoom in 2005. It was alleged that Rowley threw a teacup, a cellphone and other items at his Opposition colleague during a heated argument.

Lucky, at the time, was still a member of the UNC.

She told COP supporters she had refused to “lie to put someone else in trouble.

“Lucky was asked to lie and write a minority report, contrary to evidence, so that we will be able to make Rowley look bad,” she said.

Saying she was “disturbed” by the request, Lucky told supporters she then confided in the party’s then chief whip, Ganga Singh, about her feelings.

She said Singh advised her: “Gillian, do what your conscience tells you to do. Do the right thing, Gillian, I will support you.”

Her refusal to write the report, Lucky said, marked the beginning of the end of her affiliation with the UNC.

“I said: ‘Mr Panday, don’t ask me to lie and cheat.’ And he said to me: ‘If professional integrity is more important to you than politics, then get out of the politics.”

Lucky said her response to Panday was: “Mr Panday, sir, I will get out, but you will not make me get out of the politics...I will get out of the UNC and remain with my integrity.”

“Lucky was asked to lie and write a minority report, contrary to evidence, so that we will be able to make Rowley look bad,” she said.

Sharma: why wait 'til now?

Meanwhile, outgoing MP for Fyzabad, Chandresh Sharma, who was involved in the “teacup brawl,” says Lucky was “blatantly lying.”

In a telephone interview last night, Sharma said Lucky “was not known to have ethics or professionalism, and should not just claim to have been asked to lie.

“She had many opportunities to say so in Parliament. Why has she chosen to do so now?”

Sharma added that Lucky should go further to say what she was asked to lie about, and by whom.

“I am surprised,” he said. (UTR)

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[bluemellow]

The mark buss. Gillian tells it all.

In a telephone interview last night, Sharma said Lucky “was not known to have ethics or professionalism, and should not just claim to have been asked to lie.

“She had many opportunities to say so in Parliament. Why has she chosen to do so now?”

Sharma added that Lucky should go further to say what she was asked to lie about, and by whom.


.... umm... I thinking bout the SAME Gillian Lucky here? She is one of the most professional politicians out there.
AND... didnt she say what she was asked to lie about and by whom?
All of this coming from the "blue light man". If anyone's credibility is in question, I would say it is Sharma's. :roll:

[Maccogirl]

Old news I want to know about Manning house in Germany and the contract given to this German oil company, that is the issue now not who pelt a tea cup across a room. If Manning using taxpayers money to benefit his self and his family he needs to clear the air on that one, because he sure as hell makes a issue of all other people that he says he is going to lock up or the jail waiting for them :roll:

[halo]

Why did she wait all this time to tell all?

[skl]

what alyuh mean wait ? This was the reason she gave for leaving the UNC 2 years ago in the first place.

[vaio]

But it does not negate the fact that Bas also has one.

[six4]

Old news I want to know about Manning house in Germany and the contract given to this German oil company, that is the issue now not who pelt a tea cup across a room. If Manning using taxpayers money to benefit his self and his family he needs to clear the air on that one, because he sure as hell makes a issue of all other people that he says he is going to lock up or the jail waiting for them :roll:

I agree with you Macco, but let us not discount the allegations that Lucky was asked to lie in the highest court in the land. That is serious business.

[Maccogirl]

Ok Bas has one Manning has one so leh we put Dookeran so he could get a house too ....right :roll:

[bluemellow]

nooooo... let us put dookeran there because he does NOT have one.

[halo]

what alyuh mean wait ? This was the reason she gave for leaving the UNC 2 years ago in the first place.

ok my bad..can't remember

[vaio]

Ok Bas has one Manning has one so leh we put Dookeran so he could get a house too ....right :roll:

Doh put Dooks in that...he ain't no crook..he has his own :roll:

[Sumana]

Politics has a Morality of its own: Gillian defending Franklyn Khan on corruption charges.

[vaio]

isn't she a lawer??

[Sumana]

Yeah I'm sure that wouldn't bother you - She's in COP right? It makes her the most perfect person ever :roll:

[Maccogirl]

Gillian said he was asked to lie, lie about what?? She as part of the Privileges Committee not a witness, her function was to ask questions nothing more The committee has no power to charge anyone for anything its not a court of law all it does is make a report to the house over any incident that may bring parliament into disrepute.

I hope all of you that taking the time to make this an issue have seen the report and exactly what was said or not said and drawn your own conclusions about this matter before running on here to post nonsense, also I hope it is know that is it was Sharma that wrote the Chairman in the interest of the public to close this matter, rather than taking it outside to the courts.

So Sharma is correct if Gillian made that statement that she was asked to lie the question is about what and to whom, she was not present when the incident occurred, and lying to who the house, the police, who exactly was she asked to lie to???

[snowbird]

Politics has a Morality of its own: Gillian defending Franklyn Khan on corruption charges.

You should know everyone is entitled to a defence, and as a lawyer she is simply practicing her craft. Can she help it if she can multi task a.k.a be a politician and a lawyer at the same time. Now I realize she may be surrounded by people who can't chew gum and walk at the same time, but don't hold that against her :lol:

[skl]

Politics has a Morality of its own: Gillian defending Franklyn Khan on corruption charges.

that's what they teaching in law school now ? you only supposed to defend people in your political party ?


You should know everyone is entitled to a defence, and as a lawyer she is simply practicing her craft. Can she help it if she can multi task a.k.a be a politician and a lawyer at the same time. Now I realize she may be surrounded by people who can't chew gum and walk at the same time, but don't hold that against her :lol:

quite right.

[Sumana]

Politics has a morality of it's own: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=429 (http://www.ttonline.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=429)

[vaio]

Yeah I'm sure that wouldn't bother you - She's in COP right? It makes her the most perfect person ever :roll:

Uh..explain Ramesh defending Abu then? A man and his ppl who overthrew the gov't in 1990. :roll:

[lou_uk]

Yeah I'm sure that wouldn't bother you - She's in COP right? It makes her the most perfect person ever :roll:

Uh..explain Ramesh defending Abu then? A man and his ppl who overthrew the gov't in 1990. :roll:

You think that bad?

After defending Dole Chadee, then assuming government he turned around and hang de fella..

Check out this piece....


"Putting the prisoners to work so they can contribute financially to victims' families would be more constructive than resorting to legal murder. The Government is committing murder under the guise of law. It is a retrograde step."


"Hanging must be an act of desperation by the Government in its inability to deal with the problem of crime."


Double-speak by Ramesh on hangings
Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2003

by Shelagh Simmons

We begin by correcting a misunderstanding on the part of Newsday correspondent Mr John Verity of Couva (Different strokes? Newsday, December 31, 2002). Far from objecting to the Chadee gang executions, as Mr Verity suggested, the so-called abolitionist Law Lords were responsible for sending them to the gallows by dismissing their final appeal. However, our main focus is recent comments by National Team Unity leader, Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj.

Mr Maharaj has taken the present Government to task for not implementing the death penalty. He accuses the current Prime Minister, Patrick Manning of using crime as a "political football" (NTU leader: Manning using crime as 'political football,' Newsday, January 7, 2003.)

This is a bit rich coming from the man who presided over multiple executions but was once quoted as saying "Putting the prisoners to work so they can contribute financially to victims' families would be more constructive than resorting to legal murder. The Government is committing murder under the guise of law. It is a retrograde step."
Dismissing capital punishment as a deterrent, he declared "Hanging must be an act of desperation by the Government in its inability to deal with the problem of crime." He also spoke of hanging's irrevocable nature, citing it as a reason why it should not be resumed.

Yet when in Government, he was one of those involved in the shameful decision to allow Russell Sankerali's execution to proceed rather than allow the courts to decide on taped evidence that came to light at the same minute. Mr Maharaj has also criticised the present Government for not supporting legislation when in Opposition that he had drafted in order to circumvent Privy Council rulings. (Ramesh: PNM too weak to fight crime, Newsday, January 1, 2002.)

Again, a bit rich coming from the man who told the 1999 Commonwealth Law Conference that even if governments disagreed with Privy Council rulings regarding capital punishment "they have an obligation to abide by them" while it remains the Final Court of Appeal. He went even further by pointing out that to do otherwise would constitute "a serious breach of the rule of law."

So in the game of political football, there is surely no more enthusiastic player than Mr Maharaj himself. But let us examine the facts surrounding the death penalty. Experience elsewhere in the world has shown that it does not reduce murder.

A properly resourced police force, fully equipped to do its job, which has the trust of the people and delivers high-profile, visible policing, is far more effective in preventing crime because it has an immediacy that any potential punishment does not.

That is partly why the high crime level in New York was reversed. Improved economic and social conditions are also an important contributory factor, because unless presented with alternatives there are always those who will use illegal means such as drugs and guns to make money.

The tragic situation in Jamaica is a good example, where many in the poverty-stricken inner city areas look to powerful, euphemistically named "community leaders" to provide for them where they perceive successive governments have not.

We fully acknowledge the serious crime situation and its impact. But it is the issues we have just mentioned, and not implementation of the death penalty, that must be urgently addressed if crime - particularly of a violent nature - is to be reduced.

Indeed, preoccupation with capital punishment inhibits the fight against crime by distracting attention away from measures that actually work.

It would therefore benefit everyone in Trinidad and Tobago if politicians of all parties abandoned the game of "political football," and instead united to play on the same side against what is, after all, a common foe.

[vaio]

Yeah I'm sure that wouldn't bother you - She's in COP right? It makes her the most perfect person ever :roll:

Uh..explain Ramesh defending Abu then? A man and his ppl who overthrew the gov't in 1990. :roll:

You think that bad?

After defending Dole Chadee, then assuming government he turned around and hang de fella..

Check out this piece....


"Putting the prisoners to work so they can contribute financially to victims' families would be more constructive than resorting to legal murder. The Government is committing murder under the guise of law. It is a retrograde step."


"Hanging must be an act of desperation by the Government in its inability to deal with the problem of crime."


Double-speak by Ramesh on hangings
Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2003

by Shelagh Simmons

We begin by correcting a misunderstanding on the part of Newsday correspondent Mr John Verity of Couva (Different strokes? Newsday, December 31, 2002). Far from objecting to the Chadee gang executions, as Mr Verity suggested, the so-called abolitionist Law Lords were responsible for sending them to the gallows by dismissing their final appeal. However, our main focus is recent comments by National Team Unity leader, Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj.

Mr Maharaj has taken the present Government to task for not implementing the death penalty. He accuses the current Prime Minister, Patrick Manning of using crime as a "political football" (NTU leader: Manning using crime as 'political football,' Newsday, January 7, 2003.)

This is a bit rich coming from the man who presided over multiple executions but was once quoted as saying "Putting the prisoners to work so they can contribute financially to victims' families would be more constructive than resorting to legal murder. The Government is committing murder under the guise of law. It is a retrograde step."
Dismissing capital punishment as a deterrent, he declared "Hanging must be an act of desperation by the Government in its inability to deal with the problem of crime." He also spoke of hanging's irrevocable nature, citing it as a reason why it should not be resumed.

Yet when in Government, he was one of those involved in the shameful decision to allow Russell Sankerali's execution to proceed rather than allow the courts to decide on taped evidence that came to light at the same minute. Mr Maharaj has also criticised the present Government for not supporting legislation when in Opposition that he had drafted in order to circumvent Privy Council rulings. (Ramesh: PNM too weak to fight crime, Newsday, January 1, 2002.)

Again, a bit rich coming from the man who told the 1999 Commonwealth Law Conference that even if governments disagreed with Privy Council rulings regarding capital punishment "they have an obligation to abide by them" while it remains the Final Court of Appeal. He went even further by pointing out that to do otherwise would constitute "a serious breach of the rule of law."

So in the game of political football, there is surely no more enthusiastic player than Mr Maharaj himself. But let us examine the facts surrounding the death penalty. Experience elsewhere in the world has shown that it does not reduce murder.

A properly resourced police force, fully equipped to do its job, which has the trust of the people and delivers high-profile, visible policing, is far more effective in preventing crime because it has an immediacy that any potential punishment does not.

That is partly why the high crime level in New York was reversed. Improved economic and social conditions are also an important contributory factor, because unless presented with alternatives there are always those who will use illegal means such as drugs and guns to make money.

The tragic situation in Jamaica is a good example, where many in the poverty-stricken inner city areas look to powerful, euphemistically named "community leaders" to provide for them where they perceive successive governments have not.

We fully acknowledge the serious crime situation and its impact. But it is the issues we have just mentioned, and not implementation of the death penalty, that must be urgently addressed if crime - particularly of a violent nature - is to be reduced.

Indeed, preoccupation with capital punishment inhibits the fight against crime by distracting attention away from measures that actually work.

It would therefore benefit everyone in Trinidad and Tobago if politicians of all parties abandoned the game of "political football," and instead united to play on the same side against what is, after all, a common foe.


oh gawd..ah like that one..this man is just a 'double-tounged' all over... look at what he do Bas and then defended him.....oh lawd...ah jus laughin... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[lou_uk]

oh gawd..ah like that one..this man is just a 'double-tounged' all over... look at what he do Bas and then defended him.....oh lawd...ah jus laughin... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The UNCA should have put Ramesh in a marginal in the East/West Corridor because he goes this way.... then he goes that.... then this way.... then that again.. :arrow:

[vaio]

doh say that too loud nah..we might cause a unc eruption.

[snowbird]

Judging by the way this campaign is going thus far, on all sides (and bear with me this is my first time trying to follow T&T politics in 40 years); I would say there should be a new phrase coined......
IN T&T, POLITICS HAS NO MORALITY ......Period :lol:

in all my years of reading about world politics in other countries, I have never witnessed such a display of common vulgar 'buss de mark' type of behavior; it is almost as though every one in politics has a file on someone else, just waiting for the opportunity during election time to 'buss it'...... real nasty; if these people profess to be so moral, how come they wait until election time to bring their knowledge of improprieties to the public......real nasty.

[lou_uk]

We politics is like ah game ah cards. Even Dookeran trying to hang Panday Jack. This "football man" :D

Our options aren't that great. Take Point Fortin for instance: Selby Wilson vs Paula Gopee Scoon vs Fitzroy Beache

Selby Wilson: claims to love Point Fortin so much, then admits he has not done anything or spent any real time down here for the last sixteen years.

Paula Gopee Scoon: I've met, comes across as a real nice woman, but that is all I know.

Fitzroy Beache: well.. UNCA down here tonight, I am going to take a look..

[JPersad]

Politics has a Morality of its own: Gillian defending Franklyn Khan on corruption charges.

that's what they teaching in law school now ? you only supposed to defend people in your political party ?

[quote="snowbird"]
:o :o :o

[snowbird]

Politics has a Morality of its own: Gillian defending Franklyn Khan on corruption charges.

that's what they teaching in law school now ? you only supposed to defend people in your political party ?



:o :o :o

There you go putting words in my mouth :lol: