Bas and Jack in South Africa...

[vaio]

I hope Mr Mandela let them know that corruption does not win the ppl's trust...

[King B]

Ina private jet no less...

I wonder if UNC donaters do not have a probem with their money being spent on something this ridiculous? Probably not. :x

[Solachica]

:lol:
heard abt this on radio ytday. The kinda things yuh done hear abt on radio these days eh.
They gone to do an ad with him? :?

[vaio]

:lol:
heard abt this on radio ytday. The kinda things yuh done hear abt on radio these days eh.
They gone to do an ad with him? :?

chica girl, i think they want to bring him for their final rally, if his health permits...if only he knew the manner of men there are... he wld run in the next direction lol :D

[Solachica]

But I read somewhere a while now tht Mr mandela doesn't do international travels again.
Why they ent leave the poor man alone he does look so frail. :evil:

[Sumana]

He's not coming for the rally. Typical COP supporter "you hear you hear you hear" but you don't know facts. :roll:

[halo]

Ina private jet no less...

I wonder if UNC donaters do not have a probem with their money being spent on something this ridiculous? Probably not. :x

You didn't have a problem when Manning used GHL's private jet to fly off to Spain?

[vaio]

He's not coming for the rally. Typical COP supporter "you hear you hear you hear" but you don't know facts. :roll:

sadly hun, i heard it from a UNC person... :? :mrgreen:

[Sumana]

Yeah..I'm sure :roll:

[vaio]

Talk to Sharma and his ppl...you set them straight..you go girl.

[King B]

Ina private jet no less...

I wonder if UNC donaters do not have a probem with their money being spent on something this ridiculous? Probably not. :x

You didn't have a problem when Manning used GHL's private jet to fly off to Spain?

That wasn't GHL's jet and no I didnt, but you certainly did. Do you have a problem with this?

[Sumana]

[quote="King B":ccd7f]Ina private jet no less...

I wonder if UNC donaters do not have a probem with their money being spent on something this ridiculous? Probably not. :x

You didn't have a problem when Manning used GHL's private jet to fly off to Spain?

That wasn't GHL's jet and no I didnt, but you certainly did. Do you have a problem with this?[/quote:ccd7f]


De jet was pretty inside? :oops:

[Dsuperc]

Bas and Jack could bring GOD to their meeting, thay are still crocked like a corkscrew

[Maccogirl]

King so what you saying is UNC supporters donations that buy Jack his private jet?? King behave your dam self nah, look Manning brining Sizzla who money he spending? When all them PTSC bus moving PNM supporter to Mayaro and all over the place who bus is that PNM own, look doh leh meh start nah, you know for months we going down good so doh start meh up now keep the thing balance :lol: :lol:

[halo]

[quote="King B":b14b2]Ina private jet no less...

I wonder if UNC donaters do not have a probem with their money being spent on something this ridiculous? Probably not. :x

You didn't have a problem when Manning used GHL's private jet to fly off to Spain?

That wasn't GHL's jet and no I didnt, but you certainly did. Do you have a problem with this?[/quote:b14b2]

I know for sure it's GHL's jet. My problem is with a prime minister using private jets to fly off to secret meetings. Who care where Bas and Jack goes...They are non entities right?

[halo]

King so what you saying is UNC supporters donations that buy Jack his private jet?? King behave your dam self nah, look Manning brining Sizzla who money he spending? When all them PTSC bus moving PNM supporter to Mayaro and all over the place who bus is that PNM own, look doh leh meh start nah, you know for months we going down good so doh start meh up now keep the thing balance :lol: :lol:

Don't forget using T&TEC trucks pto put up PNM flyers... :D

[snowbird]

:lol:
heard abt this on radio ytday. The kinda things yuh done hear abt on radio these days eh.
They gone to do an ad with him? :?

chica girl, i think they want to bring him for their final rally, if his health permits...if only he knew the manner of men there are... he wld run in the next direction lol :D

If that is what they went to South Africa, Mandella will send them packing. How many other countries yuh ever hear 'used' Mandella to try to win an election?

Yuh think Nelson don't follow political news around the world. Yuh think his people not going to do their homework when they hear dem two mooks coming? I could just see the headlines now:
"NELSON MANDELLA ASSISTS OPPOSITION TO TRY TO WIN ELECTION IN ONE OF THE WORLDS MOST CORRUPT NATIONS", yeh like that's going to happen.

Talk about people making an arse of themselves and their country.

Boy is dat kina chuppidness yuh get when fools start believing dey own press releases. :lol:

[King B]

I ever say Jack buy a jet? :roll:

Halo, Manning flew on a Repsol jet from the UK to spain; the GHL jet does not have that kind of range. It was to continue discussion for what is now Train X at Atlantic LNG. That will earn T&T billions of dollars in revenues.

What UNC supporters get in return for Jack and Bas spending their money to go to South Africa? A big, fat electoral loss - that is what. :lol:

[JPersad]

Talk to Sharma and his ppl...you set them straight..you go girl.
:o :o :o

[Maccogirl]

Ok King ah go still support yuh when you get that Ministry job, I cool with that Boynes was always a duncee head :lol: As we know all this is politics and each looking for a political advantage, one thing am happy for is the fact that T&T politics in now developing into something new its getting very savvy so if I have to say thanks to Jack for that to me that is a good thing, without all these high tech ads and shows the politics would of been rather boring. :lol:

[skl]

So I wonder who is the people financing this trip and the UNCa ?

[vaio]

ask Jack.

[Somebody007]

Anything to get in power eh.....desparate measures calls for desparate actions.....going all the way to South Africa to see who......Mandela....and to do what????

[cm103]

They should stay there...

[Sumana]

U all acting as if Jack going to meet Mandela isn't a normal thing :roll:

[skl]

U all acting as if Jack going to meet Mandela isn't a normal thing :roll:

you really going to be a lawyer?

the issue isnt whether Jack does visit Mandela for corn soup and curry every weekend.


the issue is what is the relevence of the UNCA seeking the endorsement of a foriegn politican ? even one as esteeemed as Mandela.

and as a side issue, whose money paying for this ? FIFA?

[Scorpio]

Ina private jet no less...

I wonder if UNC donaters do not have a probem with their money being spent on something this ridiculous? Probably not. :x


Interesting comment....I'll have to remind you of this post when Manning buys the $300M Global Express jet with donations from taxpayers.

[bluemellow]

You know, I thought when Ramesh stepped back on the UNC's platform, that was desperation to the highest degree on the part of Jackbas, but THIS? Desperation doesn't even begin to cover it.

:D :mrgreen:

[King B]

Ina private jet no less...

I wonder if UNC donaters do not have a probem with their money being spent on something this ridiculous? Probably not. :x


Interesting comment....I'll have to remind you of this post when Manning buys the $300M Global Express jet with donations from taxpayers.

That will belong to the people of Trinidad and Tobago; Mandela will belong to UNC supporters?

[Maccogirl]

Look lets put all the talk aside we know all who Manning knows and have met in his lifetime, we now know Jack took Bas to meet Mandela, all Winston has to do now is go meet someone, am sure he knows a few people just like Jack so tell him fix up before election that is all :lol:

[citizen]

I have learned only two lessons from this trip -
1. The UNC-A is desperate, and
2. Warner has lots of money.
Nelson Mandela is a very intelligent, honest, man of integrity and moral fortitude. I doubt he will endorse the UNC-A, or any other party for that matter.

Incidentally, South Africa is faced with many hardships like T&T, especially crime.

[Somebody007]

They should stay there...


lol....hehehe... :D :D

[deeva]

[quote="King B":6b3dd]Ina private jet no less...

I wonder if UNC donaters do not have a probem with their money being spent on something this ridiculous? Probably not. :x


Interesting comment....I'll have to remind you of this post when Manning buys the $300M Global Express jet with donations from taxpayers.

That will belong to the people of Trinidad and Tobago; Mandela will belong to UNC supporters?[/quote:6b3dd]

So I could borrow it anytime i want since it belong to the people of Trinidad and Tobago ?

[Somebody007]

Look lets put all the talk aside we know all who Manning knows and have met in his lifetime, we now know Jack took Bas to meet Mandela, all Winston has to do now is go meet someone, am sure he knows a few people just like Jack so tell him fix up before election that is all :lol:


Maccogirl, lets look at the PNM and the UNC for a moment here.....Have you ever sought to do a cost benefit analysis between the two parties, their spending and what benefits they getting in return.....

First of all, Manning and the PNM have a prophetess....how much money yuh think Manning would spend on she to provide illusions....small change....Look at how much UNC spending to hire a private jet for Jack and Bas to go South Africa...to meet who...Mandela and hear nah to bring he here aint going to be cheap eh.....just to give ah speech to people....about freedom and political power....I could only imagine if Mandela comes here, the whole of Trinidad will go to that UNC rally....not to show support for UNC eh....just to see Mandela in the flesh on a platform....

At the end of the day, Manning and the PNM benefitting more by spending money on a prophetess rather than taking expensive flights to meet ah foreign politcian....plus the prophetess giving him the special day to call and win the election....

What Dooks need....for starters he have Gillian Lucky.....the rest speaks for itself.

[JPersad]

Sumana ,

The Master of Insult is Basdeo Panday .
The same Basdeo Panday who used to call your father fishy names .The same Basdeo Panday who is Leader of the UNC .

PS :What is your obsession with Inshan ?
Is he an old man ?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[JPersad]

Wasted trip .
Mandela not coming .Anybody ,but Jack and panday would have known that .
Anyway I sure Bas must have enjoyed some Johhnnie Walker Blue to South Africa and back in the luxury of a private jet .
Talk about knife and fork !

[Maccogirl]

Jp you being dishonest again who told you that the UNCA ever said that they were going to get Mandela to come to T&T, Jack on the night he left told Radio Shakti that he was going on football business and was taking Bas to meet Mandela, he also said that they may try and do a commercial with him for the last leg of the campaign.

I really don't know who told you Mandela was coming to T&T you sounding just like the PNM people on the radio Mandela is 90 yrs old and ill who don't know that don;t want to know, some of you just love the old talk over and over geez talk something else nah for a change, you want story talk about the Ramesh revelations tonight on the platform, or talk about what Kamla said the shooting of the LFL flag bearer in his head who is now in critical condition in hospital.

What about the gas tank that someone tried to light by the UNCA office, or why did the DPP drop the charges on the PNM candidate, better yet the arrest of the trade union people today. Over and over is the same crap god man :roll: :roll:

[skl]

http://guardian.co.tt/news1.html

Former South African president Nelson Mandela will not be returning to T&T with UNC Alliance chairman Jack Warner and UNC leader Basdeo Panday.

However, Panday said the duo would be returning with a message and “a lot of other stuff” from the South African freedom fighter.

Panday and Warner left on a private jet on Wednesday to meet with the South African leader to seek a better understanding how Mandela was able to make the transition from being a prisoner to president…and one of the most revered human rights activist and leader.

Speaking yesterday in a brief telephone interview just before he was about to board the private jet back to T&T from South Africa, Panday described the meeting with Mandela as fruitful.

He refused to divulge what issues were discussed or what transpired among them. “No, I can’t tell you what we talked about. What I can tell you is that we met with Mr Mandela…We will reveal the outcome of the meeting in a news release and photos,” Panday said.

Panday laid to rest speculation that Mandela was returning to T&T. “Mr Mandela is getting on in age. He’s a bit frail so, you know…but, he is all right,” he said.

Mandela is 89. During his last visit to T&T in April 2004, Mandela had announced that it would be his last overseas trip.

Panday and Warner are expected to return to T&T today.

[skl]

Compare the Newsday. http://newsday.co.tt/news/0,66768.html

FORMER South African President and legendary freedom fighter Nelson Mandela has declined an invitation to come to Trinidad to address UNC Alliance supporters at the November 3 rally at the Aranjuez Savannah.

Mandela’s decision, on the ground of ill health, follow objections raised by the PNM who criticised the UNC A for trying to use the “revered” leader to gain support for the UNC Alliance and the COP who in two letters urged Mandela to resist attempts to draw him into the internal politics of a sovereign country.

Mandela met with UNC leader Basdeo Panday and UNC Alliance chairman Jack Warner at the Nelson Mandela Foundation in Johannesburg at about 11.15 am (TT time) yesterday. The meeting lasted an hour and according to Panday, Mandela gave them advice on how to unite the two major races in Trinidad and Tobago, put an end to hatred in society and bring about a more positive atmosphere in the country. But he turned down their invitation to come to Trinidad.

Contacted yesterday in South Africa, Panday said discussions with Mandela were very useful, informative and will be used as part of the UNC’s strategy to win the General Election.

Panday denied any commercial or ad was shot with Mandela. “We told him we will not reveal the details,” said Panday, who reiterated that the discussions centred on how to unite and put an end to hatred.

When Newsday spoke with Panday, he and Warner were preparing to board the same private jet on which they left Trinidad on Wednesday, to return home. They are expected back in the country at 6 o’clock this morning. Reports circulating yesterday indicated Warner went to South Africa to inspect two football grounds in preparation for the 2010 World Cup which takes place in that country.

“We achieved what we set out to do in South Africa,” Panday said, adding that the only reason Mandela wasn’t coming was because of health. Mandela is 89 and spent over 27 years in prison during the apartheid regime. But speaking at a PNM meeting in Tabaquite on Wednesday night, Planning Minister Camille Robinson-Regis commended Mr Mandela for turning down the invitation by Warner and Panday. She accused Warner of “only bringing foreigners here to tell us who to vote for.” She slammed the “effrontery” of Warner and Panday for trying to use the revered Mandela so grossly and crudely.

“They feel that by associating with people of decency, integrity and respectability, it would rub off. But it can’t. These birds of a feather (Warner and Panday) will undoubtedly continue to flock together,” she said. Robinson-Regis said that even though the people of Trinidad and Tobago greatly respect Mandela, they would not be influenced in the way that they vote by anyone who does not know the politics and the culture of this country. She noted the appearances here on UNC platforms of Americans Al Sharpton and Martin Luther King III and the head of the Gandhi Institute in America. And as Panday and Warner jetted off to see Mandela, the Congress of the People wrote to him alerting him to the present general election climate in the country and urged him not to be drawn into the internal politics of a soverign country.

Chairman of the party Roy Augustus told Newsday yesterday that two letters were sent to Mandela on Wednesday morning, mere hours after Warner announced that he and Panday were flying to Johannesburg to woo Mandela to come to Trinidad to speak on their unity platform. Augustus said: “While we cannot tell Mr Mandela what to do or ask him not to get involved in the internal politics here, what we can do and have done is to inform him that the country is going into a general election.”

Referring to Mandela as “the world’s most revered living icon”, Augustus said that the mere thought that the UNC Alliance leaders wanted to bring Mandela to TT must be cause for shock and anger at this outrage.

[Parsifal]

If the purpose of Mr. Panday's visit to South Africa was to find out how to put an end to conflict and hatred in TnT then this was a waste of a trip!.....I could have given the solution myself.......put some duct tape on Jack's mouth, Bas' mouth and as of last night Kirk's mouth!

The campaign in Central and South Trinidad has just become outright nasty between the COP and the UNCA.......just like we all predicted.

The upshot now is that the UNCA is running a series of ads citing the NACTA polls and saying that the COP is splitting the UNCA vote and will allow the PNM to win. I think that the internal UNCA polling is starting to pick up something even more troubling.....a considerable migration of some of their supporters to the PNM.

I have written before that the negativity of the UNCA campaign is going to have a bit of a reverse effect since the COP will be obliged to fire back so that a mud slinging match will ensue.

All the while the PNM campaign will remain on track and on message.

Case in point was the massive show of support for the PNM in Barrackpore and Tabaquite this week. In both cases the audience was predominantly East Indian and they participated fully in the event. Also, they were not wearing any PNM paraphenalia so one cannot say that this was a totally bused in crowd. They were cheering along just as lustily so one cannot say that they were just there out of curiousity. The PNM has made some serious inroads into the PDP/DLP/ULF/UNC heartland. This is a trend that is going to continue as the "bandwagon" effect continues to take hold.

[JPersad]

Watch how Panday and Jack will be throwing around Mandela name on the Political platform to score cheap points.
Somebody should tape it and send a copy for Mandela via email

[vaio]

i feeling sorry for Mr Mandela now...

[Dsuperc]

A fool and his money will sooon part, all that ill gotten gains will soon evaporate.
Instead of bringing a set of foreigners here to tell us who to vote for, try paying Trinidad and Tobago footballers their just due
Easy come easy go. And Bas is laughing all the time. Do you really think that Jack will even get into parliment? If by some strange happening, he wins his seat, do you think Bas will give him any poweer? Just look around and you will see what he did to Hulsie, Dooks, Ramesh(the second spring is coming), Rafiqque,Team 88,Wade Mark,Carlos John,Cadiz,Kamla,ULF,ONR,Sonnilal Sookhoo,Sam Maharaj,Rampartap Singh, Fuad,Gillian,John Humphrey,Ganga Singh, and the list goes on and on. Where is Ato?????
He has fooled a whole lot of people, many of them intellectuals and professionals, for a very long time.
You wanna bet that he pass the torch to his daughter.

[Parsifal]

A fool and his money will sooon part, all that ill gotten gains will soon evaporate.
Instead of bringing a set of foreigners here to tell us who to vote for, try paying Trinidad and Tobago footballers their just due
Easy come easy go. And Bas is laughing all the time. Do you really think that Jack will even get into parliment? If by some strange happening, he wins his seat, do you think Bas will give him any poweer? Just look around and you will see what he did to Hulsie, Dooks, Ramesh(the second spring is coming), Rafiqque,Team 88,Wade Mark,Carlos John,Cadiz,Kamla,ULF,ONR,Sonnilal Sookhoo,Sam Maharaj,Rampartap Singh, Fuad,Gillian,John Humphrey,Ganga Singh, and the list goes on and on. Where is Ato?????
He has fooled a whole lot of people, many of them intellectuals and professionals, for a very long time.
You wanna bet that he pass the torch to his daughter.

Now that will be the coup of a lifetime!

Could you imagine what would happen to Ramesh and Kamla!!!!! I would pay big money to see the expressions on their faces when he tells them that! :lol: :lol: :lol: ...because it is coming!

[e-man]

FIFA.com reports in their version of events (http://fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=622736.html#sa+will+great+2010+show+warner) that Jack is looking to be PM


Warner is currently campaigning to become the Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago (T&T) and arrived in South Africa with a delegation which included Basdeo Panday, with whom he is co-leader of the United National Congress Alliance (UNCA) political party.

Warner is the chairman of the UNCA and is leading the party's campaign to win the November 5 general election in Trinidad and Tobago.

I imagine this trip will get expensed to FIFA for the most part rather than the UNC.

[snowbird]

Compare the Newsday. http://newsday.co.tt/news/0,66768.html

FORMER South African President and legendary freedom fighter Nelson Mandela has declined an invitation to come to Trinidad to address UNC Alliance supporters at the November 3 rally at the Aranjuez Savannah.

Mandela’s decision, on the ground of ill health, follow objections raised by the PNM who criticised the UNC A for trying to use the “revered” leader to gain support for the UNC Alliance and the COP who in two letters urged Mandela to resist attempts to draw him into the internal politics of a sovereign country.

Mandela met with UNC leader Basdeo Panday and UNC Alliance chairman Jack Warner at the Nelson Mandela Foundation in Johannesburg at about 11.15 am (TT time) yesterday. The meeting lasted an hour and according to Panday, Mandela gave them advice on how to unite the two major races in Trinidad and Tobago, put an end to hatred in society and bring about a more positive atmosphere in the country. But he turned down their invitation to come to Trinidad.

Contacted yesterday in South Africa, Panday said discussions with Mandela were very useful, informative and will be used as part of the UNC’s strategy to win the General Election.

Panday denied any commercial or ad was shot with Mandela. “We told him we will not reveal the details,” said Panday, who reiterated that the discussions centred on how to unite and put an end to hatred.

When Newsday spoke with Panday, he and Warner were preparing to board the same private jet on which they left Trinidad on Wednesday, to return home. They are expected back in the country at 6 o’clock this morning. Reports circulating yesterday indicated Warner went to South Africa to inspect two football grounds in preparation for the 2010 World Cup which takes place in that country.

“We achieved what we set out to do in South Africa,” Panday said, adding that the only reason Mandela wasn’t coming was because of health. Mandela is 89 and spent over 27 years in prison during the apartheid regime. But speaking at a PNM meeting in Tabaquite on Wednesday night, Planning Minister Camille Robinson-Regis commended Mr Mandela for turning down the invitation by Warner and Panday. She accused Warner of “only bringing foreigners here to tell us who to vote for.” She slammed the “effrontery” of Warner and Panday for trying to use the revered Mandela so grossly and crudely.

“They feel that by associating with people of decency, integrity and respectability, it would rub off. But it can’t. These birds of a feather (Warner and Panday) will undoubtedly continue to flock together,” she said. Robinson-Regis said that even though the people of Trinidad and Tobago greatly respect Mandela, they would not be influenced in the way that they vote by anyone who does not know the politics and the culture of this country. She noted the appearances here on UNC platforms of Americans Al Sharpton and Martin Luther King III and the head of the Gandhi Institute in America. And as Panday and Warner jetted off to see Mandela, the Congress of the People wrote to him alerting him to the present general election climate in the country and urged him not to be drawn into the internal politics of a soverign country.

Chairman of the party Roy Augustus told Newsday yesterday that two letters were sent to Mandela on Wednesday morning, mere hours after Warner announced that he and Panday were flying to Johannesburg to woo Mandela to come to Trinidad to speak on their unity platform. Augustus said: “While we cannot tell Mr Mandela what to do or ask him not to get involved in the internal politics here, what we can do and have done is to inform him that the country is going into a general election.”

Referring to Mandela as “the world’s most revered living icon”, Augustus said that the mere thought that the UNC Alliance leaders wanted to bring Mandela to TT must be cause for shock and anger at this outrage.

Note to Bas and Jack........ Take a lesson in diplomacy a.k.a. how to act classy

In case allyuh to dumb to understand what just happened in South Africa; Mr. Mandella being a man of principle, and understanding the world of diplomacy knows it's not only a 'faux pas' for anyone to go over their head of state of their country to extend an invitation to another head of state or ex head of sate, it also shows how 'uncouth' the person or persons extending the invitation for thinking it is proper to try to 'use' the stature of one such as Mr. Mandela to influence others in an election in some obscure bananna republic (what an insult to the man).

Msrs. Warner and Panday by their actions have not only embarassed themselves, they have also embarrassed the entire country of Trinidad and Tobago. I am sure Mr. Mandella and the people in South Africa who were privy to this action while graceful in their decline (that is what people of substance do) were really insulted that these two bufoons would try to reduce a man of such high esteem to the levels of some for profit entertainer or fly by night celebrity.

My old grandmother usta have ah saying....... when people of no substance or breathing happen to get elevated 'beyond their station', they begin to 'smell themselves'. That certainly is the case with those two idiots; and futher, should the UNC ever win the election....... yuh cud put ah pig in de palace, he'll still be ah hog.

Thank you Mr. Panday and company for proving that 'yuh kar buy class'.

[Solachica]

In their manifesto launching today jack said they went to meet the man for inspiration.

[vaio]

A fool and his money will sooon part, all that ill gotten gains will soon evaporate.
Instead of bringing a set of foreigners here to tell us who to vote for, try paying Trinidad and Tobago footballers their just due
Easy come easy go. And Bas is laughing all the time. Do you really think that Jack will even get into parliment? If by some strange happening, he wins his seat, do you think Bas will give him any poweer? Just look around and you will see what he did to Hulsie, Dooks, Ramesh(the second spring is coming), Rafiqque,Team 88,Wade Mark,Carlos John,Cadiz,Kamla,ULF,ONR,Sonnilal Sookhoo,Sam Maharaj,Rampartap Singh, Fuad,Gillian,John Humphrey,Ganga Singh, and the list goes on and on. Where is Ato?????
He has fooled a whole lot of people, many of them intellectuals and professionals, for a very long time.
You wanna bet that he pass the torch to his daughter.

Now that will be the coup of a lifetime!

Could you imagine what would happen to Ramesh and Kamla!!!!! I would pay big money to see the expressions on their faces when he tells them that! :lol: :lol: :lol: ...because it is coming!

RLM will never accept that....Kams on the other hand...well...she'll never get to lead.

[skl]

So all Bas and Jack get is a Mandela poster to stick behind they TV screen ? :)


btw what is the legality of Warner using FIFA resources like the private jet to assist a political party ? ie letting Panday tag along on an offical FIFA trip for his own business ?

[MDO6]

The UNC so desperate, that they trying anything.......... :mrgreen:

[Maccogirl]

All yuh can talk yes, one thing I have to say there are not many people that can hop on a plane and go see Mandela on short notice like that so all yuh give Jack some credit for what this man has achieved in life, you don't have to like him but at least say he has done well for a little black boy from the Caribbean.

[cm103]

In their manifesto launching today jack said they went to meet the man for inspiration.

What happen to reading some self help books?

[cm103]

All yuh can talk yes, one thing I have to say there are not many people that can hop on a plane and go see Mandela on short notice like that so all yuh give Jack some credit for what this man has achieved in life, you don't have to like him but at least say he has done well for a little black boy from the Caribbean.

Agreed, the man has achieved a lot in his short lifetime. The methods whereby he achieved that measure of wealth and fame are dubious to say the least though.

[Maccogirl]

I cant say that CM I have no proof that Jack stole anything from anyone, all I know of the man from what people say he is a hard worker, he works long hours and at time people say it is as if he does not sleep. He is know to be a mover and shaker he loves to get things done and not one to sit on something if he knows it needs to be done, what can I say maybe his hours of burning the midnight oil has paid off.

I sure cant say it was from shady dealings that would be unfair, I just admire the man simply because its very difficult for a black man from the Caribbean to make it big like that on the world stage, its a great achievement for a black man coming from Trinidad, I am sure his road was not a easy one at that in getting to that point.

[cm103]

Well I am basing this based on past incidents with Mr. Warner at the center. Here are a just a few:

The Under 17 world cup in Trinidad. Both of Jack's sons held contracts for transportation, lodging, meals and information technology for the tournament. Judging from their purchases in Miami afterwards they didn't do too bad from that. What type of tendering process was in place? Would that be considered a conflict of interest?

Jack buying broadcast rights for football matches for $1 and reselling them for over 6 figures. The national team still can't get paid what they were promised though.

The entire world cup ticket debacle. Who owned the travel company that Trinis had to buy their tickets from?

FIFA also did fine him and his family over $1US million for profiteering from the world cup ticket scandal. It is runmoured that the reason he has not been dismissed from FIFA is that he holds the key votes that won Sepp Blatter office.

Points like these are hard to ignore.

[just1fix]

I cant say that CM I have no proof that Jack stole anything from anyone, all I know of the man from what people say he is a hard worker, he works long hours and at time people say it is as if he does not sleep. He is know to be a mover and shaker he loves to get things done and not one to sit on something if he knows it needs to be done, what can I say maybe his hours of burning the midnight oil has paid off.

I sure cant say it was from shady dealings that would be unfair, I just admire the man simply because its very difficult for a black man from the Caribbean to make it big like that on the world stage, its a great achievement for a black man coming from Trinidad, I am sure his road was not a easy one at that in getting to that point.

From the observable evidence, unlike you, I have come to the conclusion that he has used unethical if not illegal means to get ahead. I have also come to the conclusion that I cannot trust him. Therefore I will not be supporting him and his party based on the fact that this violates my principles.

[Maccogirl]

Just fix sorry but all this talk of violating my principles is crap you really want to tell me that you feel all the COP aspiring politicians clean as a whistle? If you really believe that I sorry for you. Maybe the COP members have not been in the limelight as such before so things about them are not really know, but am sure if they do happen to get into power dirt will come out.

There are many businessmen in the front line and back ground of the COP that people can hmmm too, so if you are a stickler for principles as you say you are there is a element of contradiction that statement , don't be so willing to take all this feel good talk on the surface, that is just a platform image to get your vote, not that I am saying don't support the COP what I am saying is all that glitter may not necessarily be gold.

They all have baggage UNCA, PNM and the COP all we the public can do is HOPE that whoever gets to run this country do the best they can and what is right for the people of T&T, but don't base your vote on principles or trust of these men or women. If you prefer one party over the other great that is what democracy is all about you have a choice and a right to exercise that choice, but principles and trust nope those words just don't sit right with politicians. :lol:

[cm103]

They all have baggage UNCA, PNM and the COP all we the public can do is HOPE that whoever gets to run this country do the best they can and what is right for the people of T&T, but don't base your vote on principles or trust of these men or women. If you prefer one party over the other great that is what democracy is all about you have a choice and a right to exercise that choice, but principles and trust nope those words just don't sit right with politicians. :lol:

I cannot agree with you there. While you should take everything a politician says with a grain of salt, there is a difference between voting for those that stand for integrity and and those who made it this far by shady means. Which one would you rather have running the country?

Let me put this another way. If a man is known for backroom deals and another is known for his clean, open way of dealing with things, which one is more likely to continue their ways once in power?

[snowbird]

They all have baggage UNCA, PNM and the COP all we the public can do is HOPE that whoever gets to run this country do the best they can and what is right for the people of T&T, but don't base your vote on principles or trust of these men or women. If you prefer one party over the other great that is what democracy is all about you have a choice and a right to exercise that choice, but principles and trust nope those words just don't sit right with politicians. :lol:

I cannot agree with you there. While you should take everything a politician says with a grain of salt, there is a difference between voting for those that stand for integrity and and those who made it this far by shady means. Which one would you rather have running the country?

Let me put this another way. If a man is known for backroom deals and another is known for his clean, open way of dealing with things, which one is more likely to continue their ways once in power?

While I agree with you 100% unfortunately we all know that 'nice guys' always finish last, especially in countries like Trinidad where the majority of the populace have been indoctrinated to believe that fraud, lies, boball and payoffs are all part of the way 'legitimate' business is done.
Take a look at some of the post on this and other forums, you will see how vehemently supporters of these crooks defend them. In reading some of the posts I genuinely feel sorry for these poor saps, especially when they talk about how others are being victimized not realizing that they too are victims of these con men. Ahh but ignorance is bliss!!!

[Maccogirl]

CM I would assume this nice guy you speaking about is Dookeran, some of you like to play that first there is God then next its Dookeran. Can anyone know what anyone has in their past or closet? All this talk about humble and honest geez, some of the biggest crooks in life are those that walk the length and breath of this world with a bible in they hand, so don't give me this honest nonsense.

If some of you voting for COP good I have no problem with that but lets drop this BS about the COP standing for integrity and all that nonsense please :roll:

[cm103]

CM I would assume this nice guy you speaking about is Dookeran, some of you like to play that first there is God then next its Dookeran. Can anyone know what anyone has in their past or closet? All this talk about humble and honest geez, some of the biggest crooks in life are those that walk the length and breath of this world with a bible in they hand, so don't give me this honest nonsense.

If some of you voting for COP good I have no problem with that but lets drop this BS about the COP standing for integrity and all that nonsense please :roll:

Well yes I was but I didn't mention any 'nice guy'. Lets just get something else straight, there is nothing or nobody near to God in my eyes.

Dookeran is a politician who has lived his life in thee public eye. Is he currently under any investigation for corruption, impropriety or misbehaviour in public office? Panday, Jack and Ramesh already show their true colours and they not pretty at all. Talk about crook? Look at them.

If you don't want to talk about the COP standing up for integrity then fine. The dealings of the PNM and UNC make them seem like an shining example without the need for words. If you could see that happening and still go vote for them then fine, thats your choice. I on the other hand refuse to be taken again by the same jokers.

Can we also drop the talk about Panday wanting unity for the opposition as well? We all know that's a front....well most of us know.

[Maccogirl]

Listen election is a week away some one has to win and some one will not, makes no sense going back and forth on anything as I said you are free to vote for who you wish does not bother me in the least, I never asked you to vote for UNCA or accept Jack or Bas, honestly I really don't care because life goes on after the 5th Nov.

If UNCA does not get a seat no problem I hope they will do better next time, I will not get a heart attack I will not run out on the street crying and will still come on here as I have been doing in the past and share my views with posters on here some of us have been doing so since the last election, some are still here some have left.

UNC people on here get cuss for all kind of things, Bas the airport and whatever else, election is not the end of the world, so no matter who wins on the 5th am sure things will not change on here, the forum will be here so you can come on to either gloat , cuss or cry life goes on so no big thing, vote for the party you support I have no issue with that. :roll:

[cm103]

Listen election is a week away some one has to win and some one will not, makes no sense going back and forth on anything as I said you are free to vote for who you wish does not bother me in the least, I never asked you to vote for UNCA or accept Jack or Bas, honestly I really don't care because life goes on after the 5th Nov.

If UNCA does not get a seat no problem I hope they will do better next time, I will not get a heart attack I will not run out on the street crying and will still come on here as I have been doing in the past and share my views with posters on here some of us have been doing so since the last election, some are still here some have left.

UNC people on here get cuss for all kind of things, Bas the airport and whatever else, election is not the end of the world, so no matter who wins on the 5th am sure things will not change on here, the forum will be here so you can come on to either gloat , cuss or cry life goes on so no big thing, vote for the party you support I have no issue with that. :roll:

Thank you Macco. Life does go on. I wish your party luck...but mine more 8-)

Lets just hope that whatever comes out of Nov 5th we have a better tomorrow and not just a freeness today.

[e-man]

NO MEETING EVER TOOK PLACE

Fifa official 'makes up' visit with Mandela


But the Sunday Times has established that Warner did not meet Mandela after he refused to sign an agreement that the meeting would not be used for political purposes.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/ ... ?id=598437 (http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Article.aspx?id=598437)

And they still pretend they have this great surprise coming out this week - just wait for it. haha

[JPersad]

Here is the article :

Fifa official ‘makes up’ visit to Mandela
Buddy Naidu Published:Oct 28, 2007

Jack Warner, the controversial vice-president of world football body Fifa was left red-faced this week after being shown the door by former President Nelson Mandela.

Warner undertook a flying visit to seek Mandela’s endorsement in his bid to become prime minister of Trinidad and Tobago, where general elections are scheduled for November 5.

At an election rally in his home country on Tuesday, Warner told supporters of his party, the United National Congress Alliance, that he and party co-founder, Basdeo Panday, were to meet with Mandela.

But the Sunday Times has established that Warner did not meet Mandela after he refused to sign an agreement that the meeting would not be used for political purposes.

Despite this, media reports in Trinidad and Tobago and the official Fifa website give the impression that Warner had met Mandela.

A Fifa press release said: “Fifa vice-president Jack Warner paid a whistle-stop visit to SA today to meet with Nelson Mandela as well as executives of the country’s Premier Soccer League [PSL].

“The delegation paid a courtesy call on the Nelson Mandela Foundation’s Johannesburg offices to see South Africa’s revered 89-year-old statesman.”

However, only Panday and another other member of Warner’s entourage paid a “brief courtesy call” to the former President.

Mandela’s spokesman, Zelda la Grange, said yesterday: “Mr Warner did not see Mr Mandela as he was not in agreement that Mr Mandela could not be approached to endorse an election campaign or a candidacy.”

She added that there had been “no political discussions” with Panday.

Yesterday the Trinidad and Tobago Express reported that Warner, at the launch of the party’s manifesto at the Mandela Hall in Macoya, also announced that the public was in for a big surprise at the party’s rally next Saturday, where an electronic message from Mandela would be displayed.

Warner has been president of the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf) for almost two decades and has sat on the Fifa executive since 1983.

During last year’s World Cup in Germany he was fingered in a 1-million ticketing scandal and was found guilty of violating Fifa’s code of ethics.

He escaped punishment after a Fifa-sanctioned audit by Ernst & Young but his son, who was the managing director of the travel company, was ordered to repay the money in a secret deal.

[Parsifal]

NO MEETING EVER TOOK PLACE

Fifa official 'makes up' visit with Mandela


But the Sunday Times has established that Warner did not meet Mandela after he refused to sign an agreement that the meeting would not be used for political purposes.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/ ... ?id=598437 (http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Article.aspx?id=598437)

And they still pretend they have this great surprise coming out this week - just wait for it. haha

Am I to assume this is a South Africa Newspaper ?

Am I to assume that Panday (and Jack )is lying ? Again ....

If this info is correct , well well well !

And they want us to trust them again? These fellas have got to be joking or really delusional.....while COP had a massive meeting in Gasparillo on Friday night.....RLM may be in a spot of bother.

[skl]

heh

http://newsday.co.tt/politics/0,66920.html

Mandela presents Panday, Warner with gift

Sunday, October 28 2007

UNC Alliance Chairman Jack Warner and UNC leader Basdeo Panday have been presented with a gift of a wooden hand-crafted item, depicting a mother and child from former South African President Nelson Mandela.

Panday and Warner met with the former freedom fighter at the Mandela Foundation in Johannesburgh on Thursday. The gift was shown to those who attended the launch of the UNC Alliance manifesto at the Mandela Foundation, Centre of Excellence yesterday.

Warner said that the meeting with Mandela was inspirational and added that both he and Panday were given advice on how to deal with hatred and how to unite the races. He said that the message sent by Mandela to the people of Trinidad and Tobago will be revealed shortly. He said that Mandela is not in the best of health and the trip to South Africa was centred on getting advice from Mandela on how to unite the races in the interest of the country.

[snowbird]

heh

http://newsday.co.tt/politics/0,66920.html

Mandela presents Panday, Warner with gift

Sunday, October 28 2007

UNC Alliance Chairman Jack Warner and UNC leader Basdeo Panday have been presented with a gift of a wooden hand-crafted item, depicting a mother and child from former South African President Nelson Mandela.

Panday and Warner met with the former freedom fighter at the Mandela Foundation in Johannesburgh on Thursday. The gift was shown to those who attended the launch of the UNC Alliance manifesto at the Mandela Foundation, Centre of Excellence yesterday.

Warner said that the meeting with Mandela was inspirational and added that both he and Panday were given advice on how to deal with hatred and how to unite the races. He said that the message sent by Mandela to the people of Trinidad and Tobago will be revealed shortly. He said that Mandela is not in the best of health and the trip to South Africa was centred on getting advice from Mandela on how to unite the races in the interest of the country.

Yuh didn't have tuh go to Mandela tuh geh dat advice:

Word tuh Bas and Jack; yuh want tuh "unite de races in the interest of the country", den stop putting yuh self interest first; stop teefin from de country; stop scaming yuh countrymen; stop lying tuh de people; stop doing ah hatchet job on anyone who eh beatin your drum; stop using yuh political position for personal gain; stop prostituting anyone yuh tink could help yuh tuh get wat yuh want........ In other words put the best interest of your countrymen first.

Aye Bas, on ah side note...... how much property yuh tink Nelson own outside of South Africa? Yuh remember wat he do wen he fine out Winnie had she own agenda? he send she packin..... now daz ah man.

[Maccogirl]

Snow you need some serious help girl :roll:

[JPersad]

Snow you need some serious help girl :roll:
Jack and Panday got caught lying with their pants down !
The UNC downward slide continues

[Maccogirl]

So exactly what is the deal Jp , Bas saw Madela or he did not, I think you should know ent ??? :D :D :D

[JPersad]

So exactly what is the deal Jp , Bas saw Madela or he did not, I think you should know ent ??? :D :D :D
Stay tuned ......

[skl]

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,66972.html


JACK WARNER did not meet with Nelson Mandela in his whirlwind tour to South Africa last week, according to a story published in the South African Times yesterday.

Warner has already denied that the purpose of his whirlwind trip to South Africa last week was to get Mandela to come to Trinidad.

According to the story, which quotes Zelda la Grange, Mandela’s spokesman, Warner did not meet with Mandela.

The story did say, however, that Panday and “another member of Warner’s entourage” did in fact meet with Mandela, but that this meeting was a “brief courtesy call”. However, La Grange is also quoted as saying that there had been “no political discussions” with Panday.

Phone calls to both Warner and Panday were left unanswered yesterday.

At a UNCA public rally in St Helena on Friday Warner said that he did not go to South Africa to campaign for votes, but was there on FIFA business.

[vaio]

:mrgreen: so if Mr Mandela did not see them according to Mr Mandela's spokesperson, where they get the gift from?? :o :o

And why are they lying? :o Or is it that Mr Mandela's spokesperson is the one who is lying? :o

C'mmon Jack and Bas are you trying to pull one over the ppl's eyes once again... :x :o :o :?

[Parsifal]

:mrgreen: so if Mr Mandela did not see them according to Mr Mandela's spokesperson, where they get the gift from?? :o :o

And why are they lying? :o Or is it that Mr Mandela's spokesperson is the one who is lying? :o

C'mmon Jack and Bas are you trying to pull one over the ppl's eyes once again... :x :o :o :?

Cmon Vaio....you know that those South Africans are just a bunch of lying bastards!....I mean Steve Biko living in a mansion in Cape Town he is not really dead. Winnie and Eugene Terre Blanche living together in a love nest in Durban and Nelson was not in jail but in an all inclusive hotel in Bophutswana for 27 years. Dont trust those South Africans at all at all at all!

[lou_uk]

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[Tobago Boy]

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[lou_uk]

Mandela and his people would have been forewarned. The COP will take some credit for that with their two letters, but while listening to Conrad Enil last week, some callers expressed some concern that "dey going and use him", "dey want tuh bring him back tuh fool people". His response was "We have our people over there". To that he came in for some verbal abuse even accused of being too calm.

"Buh how you dead so?".... "We need somebody with more energy".

[Tobago Boy]

:mrgreen: so if Mr Mandela did not see them according to Mr Mandela's spokesperson, where they get the gift from?? :o :o

And why are they lying? :o Or is it that Mr Mandela's spokesperson is the one who is lying? :o

C'mmon Jack and Bas are you trying to pull one over the ppl's eyes once again... :x :o :o :?

Cmon Vaio....you know that those South Africans are just a bunch of lying bastards!....I mean Steve Biko living in a mansion in Cape Town he is not really dead. Winnie and Eugene Terre Blanche living together in a love nest in Durban and Nelson was not in jail but in an all inclusive hotel in Bophutswana for 27 years. Dont trust those South Africans at all at all at all!

You know what. I live in Botswana and am in and out of South Africa on a regular basis (weekly). South Africa won the World Rugby Tournament last week and Mr. Mandela was unable to attend. Currently at 89 his doctors are of the belief that he should take it easy, so he no longer travels abroad. He spends his days managing his foundation and doing charity work. He is an ardent and outspoken advocate for fairness and openness in public life and politics. There have been recent issues where his name was used in campaigns within South Africa and he was not happy with that. Even within the ANC, the ruling party in South Africa he has been silently behind the scenes trying to bring peace to their politics.

In conclusion Mr. Mandela and his people will not lie about things like that. Jack and Bas need to be careful, look for an easier elder states man to work for the campaign.

[Maccogirl]

Tobago Boy you went through all this trouble to join this forum on the 16th Oct just to let us know that you living in Botswana and have an issue with Jack and Mandela who see who or who did not see who. I would think your interest would lie in the holding of the wold cup in 2010 if Jack is such and issue to you mount a campaign and get Jack to move the World cup to another country that is all.

I mean this lying evil black man should have no part in dealing with Africa far less getting involved and pushing the cause for Africa to hold the wold cup am sure there are many other countries willing to stage this event, so Jack only farse and out of place to be putting a plug for the African nation, why are you people in Africa dealing with the evil, lying, wicked man. I appreciate your daily concern in warning us here in T&T about the evil, lying ways of Jack Warner, but don't you think your time would be better served in making sure that the World Cup is not staged in Africa your homeland, if Jack so bad for T&T you should be concerned that he does not bring all this pain to Africa also....don't you think :roll:

[vaio]

i really think that Jack just wanted Bas close to him so Bas doh change he mind on the leader...he pulled one over Bas... :mrgreen:

[Parsifal]

i really think that Jack just wanted Bas close to him so Bas doh change he mind on the leader...he pulled one over Bas... :mrgreen:

Vaio you are really beginning to spook me.....because that was the same thought that I had!

Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer!

[Maccogirl]

No what all of you should do a mount a campaign as I said to take the World Cup back to England. The English view is that they invented football so they have rights to hold that event at any time in England. Jack is the only man that spoke his mind about that one for Christ sakes is it not called The World Cup, so let all the countries of the world have fair share at hosting this event, don't see the problem there with that view.

Why do you feel all the bad English press on Jack because he told them his view on how he saw it, but some of you so interested in cussing Jack on here you never look at the bigger picture, well I say if you have such a big problem with Jack join the British and keep the world cup only in England and tell Jack to haul he tail :roll: :roll:

[vaio]

i really think that Jack just wanted Bas close to him so Bas doh change he mind on the leader...he pulled one over Bas... :mrgreen:

Vaio you are really beginning to spook me.....because that was the same thought that I had!

Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer!


:o :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[skl]

No what all of you should do a mount a campaign as I said to take the World Cup back to England. The English view is that they invented football so they have rights to hold that event at any time in England. Jack is the only man that spoke his mind about that one for Christ sakes is it not called The World Cup, so let all the countries of the world have fair share at hosting this event, don't see the problem there with that view.
:

of course macco will provide a link verifying this.......

[Somebody007]

Tobago Boy you went through all this trouble to join this forum on the 16th Oct just to let us know that you living in Botswana and have an issue with Jack and Mandela who see who or who did not see who. I would think your interest would lie in the holding of the wold cup in 2010 if Jack is such and issue to you mount a campaign and get Jack to move the World cup to another country that is all.

I mean this lying evil black man should have no part in dealing with Africa far less getting involved and pushing the cause for Africa to hold the wold cup am sure there are many other countries willing to stage this event, so Jack only farse and out of place to be putting a plug for the African nation, why are you people in Africa dealing with the evil, lying, wicked man. I appreciate your daily concern in warning us here in T&T about the evil, lying ways of Jack Warner, but don't you think your time would be better served in making sure that the World Cup is not staged in Africa your homeland, if Jack so bad for T&T you should be concerned that he does not bring all this pain to Africa also....don't you think :roll:

........

[Maccogirl]

Skl you coming on here to talk and you do not know that FIFA was set to change its rotation system for the world cup, neither do you know about Jack comments on England staging the world cup and how it upset people in England, look go and do some research before you come on here to argue or ask anyone to provide a link to this or that.

That just goes to show that some of you make some points on here and have no idea or basis as to why you make them, you type and talk nonsense daily maybe because you feel it sounds good :roll:

[Maccogirl]

As for you somebody you need to go learn to read between the lines :roll:

[skl]

Skl you coming on here to talk and you do not know that FIFA was set to change its rotation system for the world cup, neither do you know about Jack comments on England staging the world cup and how it upset people in England, look go and do some research before you come on here to argue or ask anyone to provide a link to this or that.



so you CANT provide a link ? :lol:

[JPersad]

Macco Girl ,
After all is said and done , I am amazed , as well in admiration of your loyalty to Basdeo Panday and the UNC .
I personally reserve that type of loyalty for family and close friends only .
If I was on good term with Panday , I would tell him , he needs to look you out , in whatever way you deem necessary .Within reason of course .

But for Bas and Jack to lie to the UNC supporters about meeting with Mandela , that is despicable !

[Somebody007]

Macco Girl ,
After all is said and done , I am amazed , as well in admiration of your loyalty to Basdeo Panday and the UNC .
I personally reserve that type of loyalty for family and close friends only .
If I was on good term with Panday , I would tell him , he needs to look you out , in whatever way you deem necessary .Within reason of course .

But for Bas and Jack to lie to the UNC supporters about meeting with Mandela , that is despicable !


But like yuh doh know who Maccogirl really is or what....she is a big time Senator for the UNC....ask she nah....and ask she if she real name starts with ah Kapital letter.

[vaio]

Macco Girl ,
After all is said and done , I am amazed , as well in admiration of your loyalty to Basdeo Panday and the UNC .
I personally reserve that type of loyalty for family and close friends only .
If I was on good term with Panday , I would tell him , he needs to look you out , in whatever way you deem necessary .Within reason of course .

But for Bas and Jack to lie to the UNC supporters about meeting with Mandela , that is despicable !

JP, they ain't want to look stupid for going all the way to S/Africa to meet the man and get turned down. So what else to do...hmmmmm ...make up a story abt having a closed door meeting with Mr Mandela to solve the race issue... but wait..they say that all will be revealed this week... :mrgreen:

[Somebody007]

Macco Girl ,
After all is said and done , I am amazed , as well in admiration of your loyalty to Basdeo Panday and the UNC .
I personally reserve that type of loyalty for family and close friends only .
If I was on good term with Panday , I would tell him , he needs to look you out , in whatever way you deem necessary .Within reason of course .

But for Bas and Jack to lie to the UNC supporters about meeting with Mandela , that is despicable !

JP, they ain't want to look stupid for going all the way to S/Africa to meet the man and get turned down. So what else to do...hmmmmm ...make up a story abt having a closed door meeting with Mr Mandela to solve the race issue... but wait..they say that all will be revealed this week... :mrgreen:


Can somebody tell me....Does Trinidad really have a race issue??? Or is it a case of two black races just fighting each other for political power???

[Maccogirl]

All names are proper nouns and therefore start with a capital letter doh doh :lol: :lol: :lol:

[JPersad]

Macco Girl ,
After all is said and done , I am amazed , as well in admiration of your loyalty to Basdeo Panday and the UNC .
I personally reserve that type of loyalty for family and close friends only .
If I was on good term with Panday , I would tell him , he needs to look you out , in whatever way you deem necessary .Within reason of course .

But for Bas and Jack to lie to the UNC supporters about meeting with Mandela , that is despicable !

JP, they ain't want to look stupid for going all the way to S/Africa to meet the man and get turned down. So what else to do...hmmmmm ...make up a story abt having a closed door meeting with Mr Mandela to solve the race issue... but wait..they say that all will be revealed this week... :mrgreen:


Can somebody tell me....Does Trinidad really have a race issue??? Or is it a case of two black races just fighting each other for political power???
It is not as bad as other countries .But it could be so much better .
What I have observed , putting aside elections , we all get along .Some better than others .
However I am seeing a trend that we may be slowly moving our from the issue of race factoring in election.This auger well for everyday life for all .
But it still too slow to my liking

[vaio]

yeah, we ain't as bad as other countries... and i agree that we can be better...i hope we progress and not regress...

[MDO6]

Nelson Mandela steers clear of Trinidad general elections 8-)


PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad, october 29, 2070 - Nelson Mandela took a brief courtesy call from members of a political party in Trinidad and Tobago but did not endorsed either in the upcoming general elections, a spokesperson for the South African politican icon said.

Jack Warner, a vice-president of FIFA - the world governing body for football, and Basdeo Panday of the United National Congress (UNC) were among those who visiting South Africa with the intention of paying a courtesy call on the former South African president in Johanesburg last week.

Press reports in Trinidad suggested that the UNC team was seeking a political endorsement from Mandela.

In a news conference on their return to Trinidad at the weekend, Warner was asked if it was possible that Mandela would be giving his endorsement to the UNC Alliance in a video-taped or written message.

The Trinidad Express quoted Warner as saying: "That is only part of it and as this whole weeks unfolds, you will see the rest of it."

However, Mandela's spokesman, Zelda la Grange, said Friday: "Mr Warner did not see Mr Mandela as he was not in agreement that Mr Mandela could not be approached to endorse an election campaign or a candidacy."

She added that there had been "no political discussions" with Panday. :mrgreen:

A Fifa news release, published on its website, had suggested that as part of Warner's whistlestop tour to South Africa that he was one of the people who visited Mandela.

The Sunday Times newspaper of South Africa however reported that Warner refused to sign an agreement that the meeting would not be used for political purposes and was therefore not invited to meet with Mandela.

http://www.caribbean360.com/News/Caribbean/Stories/2007/10/29/NEWS0000005052.html

[Somebody007]

Nelson Mandela steers clear of Trinidad general elections 8-)


PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad, october 29, 2070 - Nelson Mandela took a brief courtesy call from members of a political party in Trinidad and Tobago but did not endorsed either in the upcoming general elections, a spokesperson for the South African politican icon said.

Jack Warner, a vice-president of FIFA - the world governing body for football, and Basdeo Panday of the United National Congress (UNC) were among those who visiting South Africa with the intention of paying a courtesy call on the former South African president in Johanesburg last week.

Press reports in Trinidad suggested that the UNC team was seeking a political endorsement from Mandela.

In a news conference on their return to Trinidad at the weekend, Warner was asked if it was possible that Mandela would be giving his endorsement to the UNC Alliance in a video-taped or written message.

The Trinidad Express quoted Warner as saying: "That is only part of it and as this whole weeks unfolds, you will see the rest of it."

However, Mandela's spokesman, Zelda la Grange, said Friday: "Mr Warner did not see Mr Mandela as he was not in agreement that Mr Mandela could not be approached to endorse an election campaign or a candidacy."

She added that there had been "no political discussions" with Panday. :mrgreen:

A Fifa news release, published on its website, had suggested that as part of Warner's whistlestop tour to South Africa that he was one of the people who visited Mandela.

The Sunday Times newspaper of South Africa however reported that Warner refused to sign an agreement that the meeting would not be used for political purposes and was therefore not invited to meet with Mandela.

http://www.caribbean360.com/News/Caribbean/Stories/2007/10/29/NEWS0000005052.html


Well if Panday and Warner did not get to see Mandela, what other purpose they could have gone to South Africa for....clearly this is a case of drinking island punch under an umbrella in the hot sun......what a waste of money eh....with all what Jack Warner have, notice the PNM never recruited Jack as a financier for the party....because all the PNMites believe that the money coming from a questionable source........

[MDO6]

Where is my post in this thread?? :twisted:

[e-man]

:mrgreen: so if Mr Mandela did not see them according to Mr Mandela's spokesperson, where they get the gift from?? :o :o

And why are they lying? :o Or is it that Mr Mandela's spokesperson is the one who is lying? :o

C'mmon Jack and Bas are you trying to pull one over the ppl's eyes once again... :x :o :o :?

Jack: B...boy, B.b.b.. bas, Mandela b.b..b.blank us, oui - wah we goh do now?
Bas: Come nah man, de airport gift shop, nah.

[vaio]

so, let's just think for a second. Do they really think they would get away with lying to the country?!! :?: :geek:

[JPersad]

:mrgreen: so if Mr Mandela did not see them according to Mr Mandela's spokesperson, where they get the gift from?? :o :o

And why are they lying? :o Or is it that Mr Mandela's spokesperson is the one who is lying? :o

C'mmon Jack and Bas are you trying to pull one over the ppl's eyes once again... :x :o :o :?

Jack: B...boy, B.b.b.. bas, Mandela b.b..b.blank us, oui - wah we goh do now?
Bas: Come nah man, de airport gift shop, nah.
:shock: :shock: :shock:

[Somebody007]

:mrgreen: so if Mr Mandela did not see them according to Mr Mandela's spokesperson, where they get the gift from?? :o :o

And why are they lying? :o Or is it that Mr Mandela's spokesperson is the one who is lying? :o

C'mmon Jack and Bas are you trying to pull one over the ppl's eyes once again... :x :o :o :?

Jack: B...boy, B.b.b.. bas, Mandela b.b..b.blank us, oui - wah we goh do now?
Bas: Come nah man, de airport gift shop, nah.


hehehe.....lol..... :D :D :D

[vaio]

now ah understand where the gift come from....hmmmm... Bas n Jack allyuh good..... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[skl]

I have little doubt that the fmr President of SA gave a gift to the fmr PM of TT, he probably has a couple hundred of the same gift he hands out.


but to try a milk a courtesy call into an endorsement ...............

[vaio]

ah wonder if they thought Mr Mandela so dumb?.......... :geek:

[JPersad]

ah wonder if they thought Mr Mandela so dumb?.......... :geek:
Nah.
It was just the act of two desperate men .

[vaio]

and now look at the outcome :mrgreen: shame on you Bas, Jack, shame on you...

[JPersad]

and now look at the outcome :mrgreen: shame on you Bas, Jack, shame on you...
I doubt them fellas know the meaning of shame.
But I will venture that you probably will not here Mandela name touted on the UNC platform anymore .

[vaio]

ah hope to God so...the man ears probably ringing so much these days... :mrgreen:

So what's the plan for the cOP rally this weekend, i think its woodford Sq..on Sat?

[JPersad]

Yuh going ?

[vaio]

buh how you mean...i won't miss it...yuh going?

[snowbird]

Macco Girl ,
After all is said and done , I am amazed , as well in admiration of your loyalty to Basdeo Panday and the UNC .
I personally reserve that type of loyalty for family and close friends only .
If I was on good term with Panday , I would tell him , he needs to look you out , in whatever way you deem necessary .Within reason of course .

But for Bas and Jack to lie to the UNC supporters about meeting with Mandela , that is despicable !


But like yuh doh know who Maccogirl really is or what....she is a big time Senator for the UNC....ask she nah....and ask she if she real name starts with ah Kapital letter.

Ohhhhhhhh, so dat is why she so loyal tuh dem, dey providing she/he bread an butter.
Well dat explains dat. Macco yuh darm right yes, yuh tink I go ever bite de hand dat feeding meh.

HEY OUT THERE!!!!!

IS THERE ANYONE NOT BEHOLDING TO ANY POLITICIAN FOR THEIR DAILY EXISTANCE ; IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE IN OBJECTIVE DIALOGUE, PLEASE JOIN US!!!!

[JPersad]

I here Snowbird .
I am not beholden to any politician or party .However as everyone one in here is aware , I am supporting the COP this time around .

[snowbird]

I here Snowbird .
I am not beholden to any politician or party .However as everyone one in here is aware , I am supporting the COP this time around .


Look JP yuh hanging rong dat place too much unno. Ah see yuh promisin de people Snow on November 6th, wha rong wid yuh. Just like Mandela eh comin dong tuh Trini, I eh comin eider, stop doin like dem fellas an lying tuh de people :lol:

[JPersad]

I here Snowbird .
I am not beholden to any politician or party .However as everyone one in here is aware , I am supporting the COP this time around .


Look JP yuh hanging rong dat place too much unno. Ah see yuh promisin de people Snow on November 6th, wha rong wid yuh. Just like Mandela eh comin dong tuh Trini, I eh comin eider, stop doin like dem fellas an lying tuh de people :lol:
If Jack and Panday could lie to the public , who is me ?

[snowbird]

I here Snowbird .
I am not beholden to any politician or party .However as everyone one in here is aware , I am supporting the COP this time around .


Look JP yuh hanging rong dat place too much unno. Ah see yuh promisin de people Snow on November 6th, wha rong wid yuh. Just like Mandela eh comin dong tuh Trini, I eh comin eider, stop doin like dem fellas an lying tuh de people :lol:
If Jack and Panday could lie to the public , who is me ?

Watch it boy, yuh halo slippin :lol:

[Maccogirl]

You should not put that as objective discussion it should be more like intelligent discussion because some of you sure as hell don't seem to know the difference

[Somebody007]

News from TV6 just indicated that the Bas and Jack went to South Africa to visit a sporting foundation named after Mandela. The News also stipulated that Mandela just gave Bas and Jack a joyful jesture and a handshake and nothing on the political front was discussed. The TV6 woman also said that this report can also be read on the South African newspapers.

I still want to find out what Bas and Jack was doing down there. This is a clear indication that someone is lying to the public.

[JPersad]

News from TV6 just indicated that the Bas and Jack went to South Africa to visit a sporting foundation named after Mandela. The News also stipulated that Mandela just gave Bas and Jack a joyful jesture and a handshake and nothing on the political front was discussed. The TV6 woman also said that this report can also be read on the South African newspapers.

I still want to find out what Bas and Jack was doing down there. This is a clear indication that someone is lying to the public.
You just gave Macco a big headache .
Why you do that for ?
MG ,
Come girl , I have Advil gelcaps .Take two and get some rest.
Don't worry too much about Panday .He will have a good life in his London penthouse .

[Somebody007]

Macco Girl ,
After all is said and done , I am amazed , as well in admiration of your loyalty to Basdeo Panday and the UNC .
I personally reserve that type of loyalty for family and close friends only .
If I was on good term with Panday , I would tell him , he needs to look you out , in whatever way you deem necessary .Within reason of course .

But for Bas and Jack to lie to the UNC supporters about meeting with Mandela , that is despicable !


But like yuh doh know who Maccogirl really is or what....she is a big time Senator for the UNC....ask she nah....and ask she if she real name starts with ah Kapital letter.

Ohhhhhhhh, so dat is why she so loyal tuh dem, dey providing she/he bread an butter.
Well dat explains dat. Macco yuh darm right yes, yuh tink I go ever bite de hand dat feeding meh.

HEY OUT THERE!!!!!

IS THERE ANYONE NOT BEHOLDING TO ANY POLITICIAN FOR THEIR DAILY EXISTANCE ; IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE IN OBJECTIVE DIALOGUE, PLEASE JOIN US!!!!


Snow like you want fire and brimstone to come down on we......hehehe..... :D :D :D ....Capital K must defend she bread and butter rite dong to the grong....nutten rong with that yuh know....ah mean if any ah dem political parties was we bread and butter we woulda be doing the same.

Oh Oh, Kapital K, like d mark buss on yuh.....yuh notice she going quiet now...... :D :D :D

[Somebody007]

News from TV6 just indicated that the Bas and Jack went to South Africa to visit a sporting foundation named after Mandela. The News also stipulated that Mandela just gave Bas and Jack a joyful jesture and a handshake and nothing on the political front was discussed. The TV6 woman also said that this report can also be read on the South African newspapers.

I still want to find out what Bas and Jack was doing down there. This is a clear indication that someone is lying to the public.
You just gave Macco a big headache .
Why you do that for ?
MG ,
Come girl , I have Advil gelcaps .Take two and get some rest.
Don't worry too much about Panday .He will have a good life in his London penthouse .

The files buss on Maccogirl.....she name has been changed to Kapital K. Allyuh forgetting she wukking in the Parliment nah....ask she now what constitunceee she representin....

[Somebody007]

Another News station just said that Bas and Jack never even met the Nelson Mandela on the South Africa trip. Kapital K, can you tell me what is going on with your party. I demand an explanation for this bigotry......

[Maccogirl]

Wait nah why you so hurry take care all yuh doh have to eat all yuh words I like Eric you know what Papa doc use to say let the jackarses bray so carry on :D :D :D :D

[Somebody007]

Yeah we carrying on and your pocket filling up with more dough. Whats in it for me if I vote for you?

[cm103]

http://www.guardian.co.tt/Gweb_30-10-07.jpg

hmmmm

[Maccogirl]

Why are you making yourself such a idiot you see me on any ballot paper, you see what I mean about intelligent discussion, some of you really grasping at straws now :roll: :roll:

[vaio]

Its a conpiracy against the unc....them ppl lying... :?

[vaio]

btw, anybody see the Jack n Bas ad with Mr Mandela's photos and shots of their visit to outside Mr Mandela orgn?... :mrgreen:

[cm103]

I wonder if the 'message' he have for the people is 'Thanks for coming. Please see the secretary on your way out for a parting gift.' :mrgreen:

[Somebody007]

I remembered when Princess Diana died in 1997 somewhere there, Basdeo Panday came on the television and asked why he was not invited to the funeral......as if he was a big sarwatee with the Queen of England. I laughed my head off with that one.

[Tobago Boy]

Sorry for not observing the rules with more care: I will repost the article as it appared in the South African Sunday Times as dated. :D


Fifa official ‘makes up’ visit to Mandela
Buddy Naidu Published:Oct 28, 2007

Jack Warner, the controversial vice-president of world football body Fifa was left red-faced this week after being shown the door by former President Nelson Mandela.

Warner undertook a flying visit to seek Mandela’s endorsement in his bid to become prime minister of Trinidad and Tobago, where general elections are scheduled for November 5.

At an election rally in his home country on Tuesday, Warner told supporters of his party, the United National Congress Alliance, that he and party co-founder, Basdeo Panday, were to meet with Mandela.

But the Sunday Times has established that Warner did not meet Mandela after he refused to sign an agreement that the meeting would not be used for political purposes.

Despite this, media reports in Trinidad and Tobago and the official Fifa website give the impression that Warner had met Mandela.

A Fifa press release said: “Fifa vice-president Jack Warner paid a whistle-stop visit to SA today to meet with Nelson Mandela as well as executives of the country’s Premier Soccer League [PSL].

“The delegation paid a courtesy call on the Nelson Mandela Foundation’s Johannesburg offices to see South Africa’s revered 89-year-old statesman.”

However, only Panday and another other member of Warner’s entourage paid a “brief courtesy call” to the former President.

Mandela’s spokesman, Zelda la Grange, said yesterday: “Mr Warner did not see Mr Mandela as he was not in agreement that Mr Mandela could not be approached to endorse an election campaign or a candidacy.”

She added that there had been “no political discussions” with Panday.

Yesterday the Trinidad and Tobago Express reported that Warner, at the launch of the party’s manifesto at the Mandela Hall in Macoya, also announced that the public was in for a big surprise at the party’s rally next Saturday, where an electronic message from Mandela would be displayed.

Warner has been president of the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf) for almost two decades and has sat on the Fifa executive since 1983.

During last year’s World Cup in Germany he was fingered in a 1-million ticketing scandal and was found guilty of violating Fifa’s code of ethics.

He escaped punishment after a Fifa-sanctioned audit by Ernst & Young but his son, who was the managing director of the travel company, was ordered to repay the money in a secret deal.

source: http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/ ... ?id=598437 (http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Article.aspx?id=598437)

this is what they are saying about the entire issue. Seems like Jack is being looked at as a man of many stories.

[Maccogirl]

Only Panday and another other member of Warner’s entourage paid a “brief courtesy call” to the former President. Ok so I guess the did go to Africa and Panday saw Mandela. unlike what others were saying that they were blanked.

Zelda la Grange, said yesterday that there had been “no political discussions” with Panday. Ok was La Grange in the room when this discussion was taking place? Unless Tobago Boy willing now to provide a sound bite of this conversation we will never know what was discussed :roll:

Warner undertook a flying visit to seek Mandela’s endorsement in his bid to become prime minister of Trinidad and Tobago, where general elections are scheduled for November 5. Whose view is that line I have never heard Jack say that he wants to be PM of this country, and even if that becomes the case what is the issue here??

[JPersad]

MG ,
You losing it now .
No matter which way you spin it , everybody knows Panday and Jack lied about meeting with Mandela and bringingf gifts .Panday got to meet Mandela briefly , as a FIFA delegate .
If you call that a meeting , then I am the governor of New Jersey !

Yuh want meh send yuh some Advil ?

[Falcon]

oh oh so now that we moved away from:

"THERE WAS NO MEETING"

we now at the stage of:

"IT WASNT A REAL MEETING"

:D
comedy central!!! I glad I live here! :D

[Maccogirl]

Now that the ad is running on TV with Jack and Bas sitting in Mandela Hall or whatever that place is in Africa talking about unity they are saying they have no right to make that ad there in that place, who gave them permission to do that. I would think someone must of seen them doing so if not well I guess the next talk will be Jack and Bas sneak in a camera and made an ad unknown to Mandela's people :roll:

Trini's have nothing to do they even taking the time to send messages to the SA Times to cuss Jack and Panday imagine that, real issues in this country and they have time to write about Jack, for what cause?? The out cry from some English people is Africa should not be host of the 2010 world cup, they putting all kind of ta ta on soccer news about Africa have crime, they will never be ready, the place have no hotels, it backward, that is a cause to discuss not if Jack and Panday went to Africa if you all so concerned about Mandela and Africa.

Here we have Trini's adding to this nonsense with talk about Jack and making this thing a pappy show all over the Internet to the eyes of the world, you don't have to like Jack Warner but god he is a Trini , a son of our soil and people going to these lengths for what?? Some of you are disgusting and I will not make any bones about this some of you too dam racial and it shows no matter how you all try to hide it. :roll:

[cm103]

So Panday flew to SA on FIFAs dollar for what? And why Jack wouldn't sign an agreement saying he wouldn't use the meeting for political gain?

These cheap political tricks seem to impress some but not all people that easily taken.

[serenity]

Them gone quite Africa to stage a discussion on unity, shamelessly playing on the struggles of a nation to right a horrible wrong...but the forumnites disgusting?! :shock: :roll:
Riiiiiiggghht...
Clearly dey doh care enough about dey image to keep dey crap at home. No, they gone globe trotting. But now u coming to complain about how ppl badtalking dem on the net? Pleease...
Allyuh good oui! :lol:

[vaio]

But if Jack and Bas who runnin for political office ... not telling the truth abt their visit to S/Africa how can ppl place their trust in them...its abt the principle :geek:

Or is it that its not a big deal that they lied.. :?: :geek:

[Maccogirl]

Cheap political trick for who, if a black person wants to give Jack their vote you really feel they giving Jack their vote because he knows Mandela or because he can go and talk to him?? When Mandela gave Jack the sliver replica of his jail cell key to hand out to persons of his choice for emancipation celebrations was that also a cheap trick.

Tokyo Sexwale who spent 13 years in jail alongside Nelson Mandela under the Apartheid regime, came here to talk also to the people of this nation for emancipation was that a trick also?? Look I have already said over and over this forum seem to be void of intelligent discussion lately, time to bring back the old time days of this forum yes because it is losing something lately :roll: :roll:

[skl]

Cheap political trick for who, if a black person wants to give Jack their vote you really feel they giving Jack their vote because he knows Mandela or because he can go and talk to him?? When Mandela gave Jack the sliver replica of his jail cell key to hand out to persons of his choice for emancipation celebrations was that also a cheap trick.

Tokyo Sexwale who spent 13 years in jail alongside Nelson Mandela under the Apartheid regime, came here to talk also to the people of this nation for emancipation was that a trick also?? Look I have already said over and over this forum seem to be void of intelligent discussion lately, time to bring back the old time days of this forum yes because it is losing something lately :roll: :roll:

LOL Macco you talking about everything EXCEPT this vist to SA. why is that ?

[fluxxx]

Dont worry folks, we all know how familiar they are with the power of PHOTOSHOP. So come tomorrow, Panday will be sitting in Mandela's lap and Jack will be grinning by their side :D

[Somebody007]

Only Panday and another other member of Warner’s entourage paid a “brief courtesy call” to the former President. Ok so I guess the did go to Africa and Panday saw Mandela. unlike what others were saying that they were blanked.

Zelda la Grange, said yesterday that there had been “no political discussions” with Panday. Ok was La Grange in the room when this discussion was taking place? Unless Tobago Boy willing now to provide a sound bite of this conversation we will never know what was discussed :roll:

Warner undertook a flying visit to seek Mandela’s endorsement in his bid to become prime minister of Trinidad and Tobago, where general elections are scheduled for November 5. Whose view is that line I have never heard Jack say that he wants to be PM of this country, and even if that becomes the case what is the issue here??


Look at you....trying to justify what we all say is a big lie.

[vaio]

Bas and Jack come out and tell yuh ppl that allyuh lie nah...look at them trying to defend yuh.. :(

[Somebody007]

Allyuh I still want to know why the Queen of England did not invite our prestigous Bas Panday and his stalwarts to Princess Diana's funeral back in 1997....come on people, Panday was real vex with the Queen then.

[cm103]

Poor Bas, I supported him in 1997 but he really gone insane now.

I wonder if them same UNC supporters who claiming bias by certain newspapers remember Bas' crusade against those same media houses. He got one cleared but Ken Gordon wasn't that easy with his shop.

[JPersad]

Poor Bas, I supported him in 1997 but he really gone insane now.

I wonder if them same UNC supporters who claiming bias by certain newspapers remember Bas' crusade against those same media houses. He got one cleared but Ken Gordon wasn't that easy with his shop.

Many can no longer stomach the lies , deception and backstabbing .

My relatives in Penal have just switched support to the COP .

[vaio]

Allyuh I still want to know why the Queen of England did not invite our prestigous Bas Panday and his stalwarts to Princess Diana's funeral back in 1997....come on people, Panday was real vex with the Queen then.

He shld realise by now that the world does not revolve around Basdeo Panday...

[Somebody007]

Why couldn't he realise this back then. The world was never revolving around Panday to begin with.....

[cm103]

Why couldn't he realise this back then. The world was never revolving around Panday to begin with.....

Shhhh...doh tell him that. It have some UNC members who still saying "Bas is my only leader"

Lewwe not buss d man bubble nah...

[vaio]

He needs to stop taking all dem 'johnny'....

[snowbird]

Today's Trinidad Guardian reported........." But South Africa’s Sunday Times reported that Warner “was left red-faced...after being shown the door by Mandela".

Buh Macco, how Jack friend cud do dat tuh him?
de man come so far tuh 'drop in' on he friend, an dat is how Nello treat him :o

[Maccogirl]

Slow as usual like you have not seen how exhausted this topic is now it on page 7 girl, we have been there, done that so if you want to go back over it again feel free, but it kind of stale now :roll:

[cm103]

I for one still waiting for the message from Mandela to the people of TnT and to see the duty free gift they bring back.

[Tobago Boy]

Well People I believe that we should endorse and embrace the Sunday Times Article, we know now that Mr. Warner for Prime Minister and Mr. Panday for President. We have the example set in Trinidad & Tobago already, so I think we should endorse Mr. Panday for Minister Extrodinare - President. :mrgreen:

[skl]

Slow as usual like you have not seen how exhausted this topic is now it on page 7 girl, we have been there, done that so if you want to go back over it again feel free, but it kind of stale now :roll:


LOL.. when ever Macco doh like a topic she does call it 'old news'.

[JPersad]

Macco ,
This and RLM photos to Manning not going away .Sorry .
Many voters will think about that before casting their ballots .

[vaio]

Slow as usual like you have not seen how exhausted this topic is now it on page 7 girl, we have been there, done that so if you want to go back over it again feel free, but it kind of stale now :roll:


LOL.. when ever Macco doh like a topic she does call it 'old news'.

and making we sweet T&T look bad in front the entire world...it old yes... :roll:

[snowbird]

Slow as usual like you have not seen how exhausted this topic is now it on page 7 girl, we have been there, done that so if you want to go back over it again feel free, but it kind of stale now :roll:

De onliest ting dat ole bout de story is dem to 'ole arse' who start dis little caper.

Doh worry Macco ole storys does become classics, and dis one? A classic case of how tuh make ah Jack arse of yuhself an yuh country. People in Trini go be laughin at dem fer years on dis little caper :) :oops: :oops: ; as fer me from now on ah coin ah new phrase wen ..... anybody come 'name dropping' by me, ah go tell dem
" Look, doh pull no Jackbas her nah" or " Stop makin ah Jackbas ah yuhself" :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Parsifal]

Oh lard!!!!!! JACKBAS!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[vaio]

Oh lard!!!!!! JACKBAS!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


:o :o

[JPersad]

Snowbird ,
Great come back .
That is ah classic ! "JACKBASS "

[Ali]

JACKBASS

ROFLMAO!!!!!!1

[Dsuperc]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Good one there

[Maccogirl]

Simple minds always seems to be amused at the simplest things :roll:

[vaio]

but is ah problem only when it offends UNC supporters..

[Maccogirl]

No problem you can call Jack and Bas whatever you want does not matter to me. not changing my vote so who cares :roll:

[Ali]

^ well said





JACKBAS

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAA!

[skl]

Simple minds always seems to be amused at the simplest things :roll:

that's why alyuh UNC so amused by dressing up a goat on stage ? :lol:

[cm103]

Simple minds always seems to be amused at the simplest things :roll:

that's why alyuh UNC so amused by dressing up a goat on stage ? :lol:

lol....that's the new mascot.

[vaio]

Simple minds always seems to be amused at the simplest things :roll:

that's why alyuh UNC so amused by dressing up a goat on stage ? :lol:

simple, sick minds are amused at the simplest things...... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Somebody007]

JACKBASS

ROFLMAO!!!!!!1


Ali, why do you choose to put a snake as your Avatar? Snake aint no good ting to mess round with.

[Mr Majik]

JACKBASS

ROFLMAO!!!!!!1


Ali, why do you choose to put a snake as your Avatar? Snake aint no good ting to mess round with.
Ah watchin that same snake and ah cyah put mih finger on it, but somehow it look kinda sexy. 8-)

[vaio]

JACKBASS

ROFLMAO!!!!!!1


Ali, why do you choose to put a snake as your Avatar? Snake aint no good ting to mess round with.
Ah watchin that same snake and ah cyah put mih finger on it, but somehow it look kinda sexy. 8-)

:roll:

[Somebody007]

Mr Majik's mind is in another place at the moment. Apparently, Ali's snake is hypnotizing some of the forumites.

[vaio]

hmmmmmm........ :roll:

[JediKnight]

Simple minds always seems to be amused at the simplest things :roll:

that's why alyuh UNC so amused by dressing up a goat on stage ? :lol:

Ah find dat rude skl, how yuh could call Bas a goat???? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Somebody007]

Simple minds always seems to be amused at the simplest things :roll:

that's why alyuh UNC so amused by dressing up a goat on stage ? :lol:

Ah find dat rude skl, how yuh could call Bas a goat???? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Welcome back to the forum JediKnight.

[Parsifal]

Hey Jedi.....wassup?

You were sorely missed here breds.

Things reaching boiling point now between the COP and the UNC.......and Patos just laughing.......

I just trying to ensure peace between Sumana and JP while keeping things light hearted as much as possible. :mrgreen:

[snowbird]

No problem you can call Jack and Bas whatever you want does not matter to me. not changing my vote so who cares :roll:

Look Maccs, no body askin yuh tuh change yuh vote, we simply havin fun wid dem two jokey leaders allyuh have dey; an as tuh simple minds..... yuh hav tuh admit dat dem two makin it easy, even fer Simpletons lik meself tuh laugh at dem :lol: :lol: , man I lovin de Jack an Bas show, dey hav meh undivided attention :lol:

[skl]

No problem you can call Jack and Bas whatever you want does not matter to me. not changing my vote so who cares :roll:

anybody on this forum asking for your vote ? :lol:

[Maccogirl]

SKL I always keep telling you, you are a small fish in this game and I have no time with small fry so cool yuh self nah and let big people talk :roll:

[skl]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Face it Nobody dont want your vote Macco.

yuh cant help Bas take DIego Martin and Manning dont need you to win Diego.

[Maccogirl]

I might do like the COP telling people to do and vote PNM, just to ensure Rocky lose his deposit :D

[cm103]

Wouldn't be surprised, the UNC and PNM are the same anyway.

[JPersad]

Macco ,
So what gifts did Mandela give to Jack and Panday ?
What message did Mandela send with Jack and Panday ?

[Maccogirl]

The gift was a mother and child statue, the message I don't know

[vaio]

The gift was a mother and child statue, the message I don't know

The message: You've been PM for 6 years and still dont know how to unite the races...you are a damn IDIOT!!!

[Ali]

The message:
allyuh is some rell JackBas boy wha allyuh come quite here for......eh?

[JediKnight]

[quote="Somebody007

Welcome back to the forum JediKnight.[/quote]

Thanks. De last couple weeks was pressah.... work wise, not political wise ;)

[JediKnight]

Hey Jedi.....wassup?

You were sorely missed here breds.

Things reaching boiling point now between the COP and the UNC.......and Patos just laughing.......

I just trying to ensure peace between Sumana and JP while keeping things light hearted as much as possible. :mrgreen:

As you can see from my last post, work was extremely hectic. Only now getting a bit of breathing space. A little too much on my plate right now, but coping. I see you had a handful with JP and Sumana. But I see you have things under control. I will be in and out of the forum. I wish I could have devoted more time to the forum right now, but I know I can't. I am sure that you will keep things going just fine. 8-)

[JediKnight]

Macco ,
So what gifts did Mandela give to Jack and Panday ?
What message did Mandela send with Jack and Panday ?

The message JP? Ah hear dey really did meet and Mandela told them...
"I was able to unite the races because I did not get a scholarship for my children from a large conglomerate. I did not give my son tickets to sell. Winnie always supported me from the ground not on the platform. I knew when to retire from politics so that my message did not get diluted nor did I lose credibility. I did not go around boasting that I was a jailbird. I was imprisoned for standing up for the rights of my people, not for failing to declare my bank account. I did not attack my people for progressing. I was happy for them and did not denegrate them by calling them 'knife and fork indians', while that was who my family and I were." :mrgreen:

[JPersad]

Hey Jedi.....wassup?

You were sorely missed here breds.

Things reaching boiling point now between the COP and the UNC.......and Patos just laughing.......

I just trying to ensure peace between Sumana and JP while keeping things light hearted as much as possible. :mrgreen:
I cool.
My skin think and my skull thicker !

[Somebody007]

I think the both ah dem might make ah good cupple....hehe.... :D :D ...lol.

[JPersad]

I think the both ah dem might make ah good cupple....hehe.... :D :D ...lol.
Thanks , but no thanks .
I have one spoil brat to deal with already .

[Somebody007]

I think the both ah dem might make ah good cupple....hehe.... :D :D ...lol.
Thanks , but no thanks .
I have one spoil brat to deal with already .


I honestly thought you were a young person by your style of writing on these boards.

[serenity]

Fifa official ‘makes up’ visit to Mandela
Buddy Naidu Published:Oct 28, 2007

http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/ ... ?id=598437 (http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Article.aspx?id=598437)
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Jack Warner, the controversial vice-president of world football body Fifa was left red-faced this week after being shown the door by former President Nelson Mandela.

Warner undertook a flying visit to seek Mandela’s endorsement in his bid to become prime minister of Trinidad and Tobago, where general elections are scheduled for November 5.

At an election rally in his home country on Tuesday, Warner told supporters of his party, the United National Congress Alliance, that he and party co-founder, Basdeo Panday, were to meet with Mandela.

But the Sunday Times has established that Warner did not meet Mandela after he refused to sign an agreement that the meeting would not be used for political purposes.

Despite this, media reports in Trinidad and Tobago and the official Fifa website give the impression that Warner had met Mandela.

A Fifa press release said: “Fifa vice-president Jack Warner paid a whistle-stop visit to SA today to meet with Nelson Mandela as well as executives of the country’s Premier Soccer League [PSL].

“The delegation paid a courtesy call on the Nelson Mandela Foundation’s Johannesburg offices to see South Africa’s revered 89-year-old statesman.”

However, only Panday and another other member of Warner’s entourage paid a “brief courtesy call” to the former President.



Mandela’s spokesman, Zelda la Grange, said yesterday: “Mr Warner did not see Mr Mandela as he was not in agreement that Mr Mandela could not be approached to endorse an election campaign or a candidacy.”

She added that there had been “no political discussions” with Panday.


Yesterday the Trinidad and Tobago Express reported that Warner, at the launch of the party’s manifesto at the Mandela Hall in Macoya, also announced that the public was in for a big surprise at the party’s rally next Saturday, where an electronic message from Mandela would be displayed.




Warner has been president of the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf) for almost two decades and has sat on the Fifa executive since 1983.

During last year’s World Cup in Germany he was fingered in a 1-million ticketing scandal and was found guilty of violating Fifa’s code of ethics.


He escaped punishment after a Fifa-sanctioned audit by Ernst & Young but his son, who was the managing director of the travel company, was ordered to repay the money in a secret deal.

[King B]

Jackdeo feel dey too bright. I waiting to see the infighting in this party after they get annihilated on Monday. The fun never stops with the UNC. :lol:

[Parsifal]

Jackdeo feel dey too bright. I waiting to see the infighting in this party after they get annihilated on Monday. The fun never stops with the UNC. :lol:

....nor with the COP for that matter......21 seats.....now 41 seats......what next!......maybe 42 seats because they winning the Monos/Gaspar Grande seat for sure too!

[Maccogirl]

That is what I just said on another thread we having no opposition, to Manning's credit not even Manning will ever say he winning 41 seats :lol:

[Parsifal]

That is what I just said on another thread we having no opposition, to Manning's credit not even Manning will ever say he winning 41 seats :lol:

As I always say.......crack cocaine is a real dangerous thing....don't use it......it has long lasting effects on ones ability to think properly....yuh does start to see de little Green Man laughing at yuh..... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[JPersad]

I think the both ah dem might make ah good cupple....hehe.... :D :D ...lol.
Thanks , but no thanks .
I have one spoil brat to deal with already .


I honestly thought you were a young person by your style of writing on these boards.
My spoil brat is not even 2 yet .

[Falcon]

The ONLY reason this thread isnt being closed now is that it has over 1000 reads and a double century in posts....but carry on and it will have to be. When something serious happens, I hope everyone doesnt say 'but we were not told'. Some of you are spoiling it for everyone.

[Maccogirl]

The thread, its is full of nonsense the fact is that Bas and Jack went to Africa, the times news items has been re posted over and over on here for what reason anyone can guess, they went they back home made their ad and no big thing.

No one on here went on that trip and all we have is one set of speculation of who closed the door in whose face, who get kicked out, one set of nonsense. The UNCA has their political strategy weather it will work for them that is their business, you may not agree with it but its their plan to reshape, build of design as they choose end of story. :roll:

[skl]

but aye aye what happen to the red beret, why Bas didnt wear it on his trip ?

[vaio]

It was not allowed! :D

[Sumana]

but aye aye what happen to the red beret, why Bas didnt wear it on his trip ?


because it's for the platform...duh :roll: simple little things you can't understand?

[vaio]

but what is with insults.... :?:

[skl]

but aye aye what happen to the red beret, why Bas didnt wear it on his trip ?


because it's for the platform...duh :roll: simple little things you can't understand?


whappun the " red beret of struggle " not good enough to show off for Mandela ? I thought a fellow freedom fighter would have appreciated it. :mrgreen:

[Scorpio]

This ***** has embarassed me with my South African friends...thanks a lot JackBasses. :evil:

[e-man]

So no mention on a suit but the South African Times has a follow up article out today saying Warner could be in more hot water with the Mandela Foundation. I don't see how they think they can use his image and nothing else but the UNC-A logo under it.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/ ... ?id=604163 (http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Article.aspx?id=604163)

http://www.thetimes.co.za/thumbnail.aspx?type=img&id=73283
NAME-DROPPING: This is how Mandela’s portrait was used by Jack Warner’s party in Trinidad

Warner takes Mandela pretence a step further
BUDDY NAIDU (The Times)

Published:Nov 04, 2007


Controversial Fifa bigwig Jack Warner could find himself in more hot water with the Nelson Mandela Foundation.

The Fifa vice-president, who is campaigning to become the prime minister of Trinidad and Tobago in general elections to be held tomorrow, had used images of himself outside the foundation’s head office for a TV advert.

Last week the Sunday Times revealed how, during a whistle-stop visit to Johannesburg with his United National Congress Alliance co-founder, Basdeo Panday, he “made up” a visit with former President Nelson Mandela.

The two were seeking an endorsement from the statesman. But Warner was refused an audience with Mandela after he refused to sign a confidentiality agreement that the meeting would not be used for political purposes.

This week the revelation that he never met Mandela during the visit made headline news in the Caribbean island, with Warner and his party being mocked by opposition parties and the media about their South African trip.

Warner admitted in the Trinidad Guardian on Tuesday that he did not meet Mandela but said Panday visited him as a “Fifa delegate”.

Panday is not a Fifa official.

“I took Mr Panday to meet Mr Mandela. They spoke and that was that. You all can publish what you want ,” Warner was quoted as saying.

On Monday night an advert, filmed in SA, was shown on local TV stations in which Panday describes his meeting with Mandela as inspirational. It shows Panday and Warner walking through a South African museum as well as outside the Nelson Mandela Foundation.

The Sunday Times can also reveal that Panday is the subject of a criminal investigation by authorities in Trinidad and Tobago and is currently out on bail after he allegedly failed to declare millions stashed in bank accounts in England. How he came into such large sums of cash is also being probed .

On Tuesday night he again made headlines after insinuating, during a youth show on television, that marijuana should be legalised.

[Falcon]

Even the blind can read that article and see the bias. Buddy Naidu writes for the Mirror? :lol:

Funny the heroes we choose- Andrew Jennings, now Buddyboy Naidu! 8-)

[Parsifal]

Even the blind can read that article and see the bias. Buddy Naidu writes for the Mirror? :lol:

Funny the heroes we choose- Andrew Jennings, now Buddyboy Naidu! 8-)

...or is it that Jack Warner is reviled even more outside of T&T by those who know of his practices?

[vaio]

so what happen to the revelation that Jackbas was supposed to give yesterday on their "visit"...??