Ramesh sold out Panday and gave PNM the Goverment

[Somebody007]

Well folks, what I am reading here is no alarming discovery. For all those foregetful UNC minds, RLM was the man who pulled down your party and placed Panday up in Golden Grove. I did not forget that but I know alot of UNC supporters have. Take a read of this not suprising article and see for yourself why the PNM will reign for a very long time. Your comments are most welcomed.


Thursday 25th October, 2007

Manning: Ramesh sold out Panday...and gave PNM the government

By Yvonne Webb

Manning says:

Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj is responsible for the PNM being in government
He says Ramesh sold out Panday to the PNM
Maharaj gave him the photo of the Pandays’ upscale apartment in Kensington
Prime Minister Patrick Manning made a profound declaration in San Fernando on Tuesday night when he described, tongue-in-cheek, UNC Alliance Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj as his best friend in politics.

Manning credited Maharaj with being responsible for him and the PNM being in government today.

Standing before PNM supporters on a political platform at the corner of Drayton and Coffee streets, Manning said it was Maharaj who provided him with a photograph, which he had displayed in Parliament in 2001, of an upscale apartment in Kensington, London.

The apartment was occupied by the daughters of the then prime minister, Basdeo Panday.

“There are those who feel that my best friend in the politics is the Honourable Basdeo Panday, because of the things he does...He has to be doing things to benefit me and the PNM,” Manning said.

“I want to agree my dear friends, but I want to advise you tonight, I have one friend in the politics that is better than him—That is Mr Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj.”

As the crowd reacted in shock to Manning’s disclosure, the PM, who was speaking in support of himself and the San Fernando West PNM candidate Junia Regrello, said it was at the time the PNM was in Opposition and Maharaj and the UNC were in government.

“We were talking about corruption and who owned what in England and elsewhere,” he said.

“And when I stood up in Parliament and I was able to show you a picture of an apartment in Kensington, London, perhaps you did not know that I got that photograph from Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj...my good friend.”

Manning also said the photograph was not the only fruit of their association.

“We worked very well together...because you see on that fateful day, when we got up in Parliament and defeated three pieces of UNC legislation, it was that act that led to the Prime Minister calling an election that led to the 18/18 situation and led to the PNM in government,” Manning said.

“I thank Almighty God for Mr Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj.”

Ramesh: I will deal with him on the platform

Maharaj—who was the attorney general in the Panday administration and who is now contesting the Tabaquite seat under a UNC Alliance ticket—said he would deal with Manning on the political platform.

Maharaj, who was on a walkabout in the Tabaquite constituency yesterday, said:

“First he said Larry (Achong) was his friend and then Larry disown him. Then he say (Kenneth) Valley was his friend and Valley disown him too.

“So, Mr Manning could say what he wants...I choose my friends, and he is not among them,” Maharaj said.

He recalled that for the past six years he had been Manning’s political enemy at the ground level.

“He said I was politically dead, and now he is coming up with all kinds of concocted stories about how I gave him photographs and gave him the government,” Maharaj said.

“Next thing he would say is I killed Dr Eric Williams.

“I will deal with him on the platform,” Maharaj added.

He suggested that Manning was trying to divert attention from his incompetence.

©2005-2006 Trinidad Publishing Company Limited
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[JPersad]

Macco ,
Dispatcher ,
Light ,
somebody ...anybody in the UNC , what going on here ?
Say it not true !
:o :o :o

[Double Trouble]

Patrick will say anything and his rabid followers will eat it up. Patrick also said that he didn't promise Abu Bakr to wipe out the outstanding $25 million court judgement against Bakr's jamaat, in exchange for his endorsement in the last general elections. Can anyone trust a leader who is desperate and power hungry enough to accept the endorsement of a mass murderer like Abu Bakr? However, Patrick can't deny that he gave Bakr that valuable piece of government land, only to later renege on the deal when the public got wind of it and kicked up a fuss. Patrick also told the nation that Hazel, with her impending masters degree, was very qualified for the job as Education Minister. Those were two for one lies. How about his latest lie, not wanting to be ah dictator? Valley, Hinds and others may have a different story to tell.

[Maccogirl]

I not reading that what I reading is that Manning just gave Issa NIchloas the big Syrian honcho a contract for 7 mill dollars a year for rental, so what the hell all these fancy sky scrapers for??? I thought the idea was to build them to stop this kind of nonsense, all yuh good yes pretend as if you don't see what is happening,.

JP I always tell you, your backside happy yes, you living in the cold, you not here taking the jamming so don't come and fill me with nonsense about Ramesh I not interested in that. You so love your country and people down here but you only looking for things about the UNCA, as for the COP all of them in the same league as Manning, their movers and shakers are the same greedy bunch that behind the PNM for years.

As I said before when I see names like De Lima, and Hamel Smith with connections to the ANSA group I want nothing to do with those vampires, they sucking this country for years feeding on the disunity between the Indians and Africans. Those vipers will put their hands in which ever pockets they feel they can gain from so COP no different than the PNM, so they can't fool me no matter what image they put for the public to see I interested in who in the back ground not what I seeing on the political platform.

[Maccogirl]

Let me add Patrick said that Abu did not have a hand in the last election, that Abu boys did not stop people from voting, yet on the PNM radio station these PNM people actually calling Manning to go and talk to Abu once again for him to come help them in the marginals. Imagine that anyone that listened to 91.9 on morning can hear that nonsense.

Yes come and help them so all them dotish indian will once again stay home and not come out to vote, as I said you living in the cold and only going by what you read on here by a selected few, don;t buy into that you know it have more going on in this election than you can imagine.

[firefly]

Maccogirl, which party do you support the PNM or the UNC? :?

[King B]

Every election the UNC has an excuse; last time was the Jamaat, this time it is the COP. UNC supporters so barren and desperate for anybody to lead them that even on this thread they want to talk about everything except Ramesh selling out the party. You eh see UNCers have battered wife syndrome? :roll:

[skl]

LOL its a matter of public record that RLM ,Sudama and Ralph Maraj voted against the UNC which led to Panday calling early elections.

but anything alyuh dont want to beleive alyuh call a lie or ignore .....


I wonder why Panday call elections in 2001 then ? he was missing life in opposition ?

[vaio]

So in essecence, what this article is saying is that we shld blame or rather thank Ramesh Lawerence Maharaj for the PNM being in gov't..we shld thank him for all the kidnappings, murders, violence and everything corrupt and dreadful that the citizens of T&T are going through right now..

Bas say he forgive Ramesh..but do the sufferings of all the nation's citizens go in vain..don't they have a say in how RLM put them at the mercy of the PNM gov't...
BS...Bas...BS..

Oh not one single UNC supporters can deny this claim since this was public knowledge in 2001..and take a note of skl's comments...the reason why Bas was kicked out of gov't...

Come on UNC supporters let's justify the article..because you know what Patos is saying is true...and history is your evidence...all the events of 2001..

[vaio]

Oh btw, anyone want to explain why Dole and his ppl were the only ones hanged by RLM...hmmmmm....not another hanging after that .....hmmmmm

[TheLight]

Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj is responsible for the PNM being in government

Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj is responsible for the PNM being out of government

The world is a circle

[halo]

I still maintain that Bas did not need to bring back ramesh. This among other things soured Dookeran...

[lou_uk]

If "Mannin" is telling us a lie, dragging his "good name" through the mud, then Ramesh should take him to court. Simple.

[TheLight]

Manning smelling the cutarse so he scraping the bottom of the barrel

[halo]

But all this is public knowledge..is no big secret what ramesh did..so I don't know what Manning is playing at with this "BIG" revelation. Probably he has nothing is to talk about and just killing time until his big victory on Nov 5th..

[Somebody007]

Oh btw, anyone want to explain why Dole and his ppl were the only ones hanged by RLM...hmmmmm....not another hanging after that .....hmmmmm

excellent observation.

[Double Trouble]

If "Mannin" is telling us a lie, dragging his "good name" through the mud, then Ramesh should take him to court. Simple.

lou,

That's a silly statement and you know it! It's a simple case of he says she says, with no proof on either side. Compare that to what Bakr said about Manning's promise to him concerning the wiping out of the $25 million court judgement and you will see the futility of any libel suit. Even though what Bakr is claiming rings truer, he still has the burden of proof to contend with in his claim against Manning.

[vaio]

Doesn't change what happened in 2001.

[vaio]

Oh btw, anyone want to explain why Dole and his ppl were the only ones hanged by RLM...hmmmmm....not another hanging after that .....hmmmmm

excellent observation.

Anybody....?

[Somebody007]

The evidence is right there big and bold for all to see.

[Double Trouble]

Oh btw, anyone want to explain why Dole and his ppl were the only ones hanged by RLM...hmmmmm....not another hanging after that .....hmmmmm

excellent observation.

What's so excellent about it? The international community, including Amnesty International, was all over this story because of the sheer number of hangings that took place in a short period. The reason why no other hanging took place should be answered by the agents of the PNM on this forum. It's not a coincidence that crime, including violent kidnappings and murders, skyrocketed under the Manning administration. Criminals were given carte blanche to opperate with impunity, as they quickly recognised that Manning had other more personal and important fish to fry. Executing a bunch of his supporters ( prison records will back me up ) would not have served Manning's personal agenda, as much as the expensive and public pursuit of Panday and Sharma. A good example of Manning's true feelings on crime was the sham of reluctantly charging Bakr, his crime advisor and top associate, with the bailable offence of conspiracy to commit murder instead of murder in the first. Manning's DPP didn't even request a travel ban on Bakr. Manning thinks we are all fools.

[lou_uk]

[quote="lou_uk":32463]If "Mannin" is telling us a lie, dragging his "good name" through the mud, then Ramesh should take him to court. Simple.

lou,

That's a silly statement and you know it! It's a simple case of he says she says, with no proof on either side. Compare that to what Bakr said about Manning's promise to him concerning the wiping out of the $25 million court judgement and you will see the futility of any libel suit. Even though what Bakr is claiming rings truer, he still has the burden of proof to contend with in his claim against Manning.[/quote:32463]

As if there is no definition for slander. Who better than Ramesh, the "super" lawyer?

You constantly bring up Abu Bakr Abu Bakr when the subject at hand is Ramesh/"Mannin". When do you ever stop believing a word he has to say?

[Double Trouble]

[quote="Double Trouble":ee939][quote="lou_uk":ee939]If "Mannin" is telling us a lie, dragging his "good name" through the mud, then Ramesh should take him to court. Simple.

lou,

That's a silly statement and you know it! It's a simple case of he says she says, with no proof on either side. Compare that to what Bakr said about Manning's promise to him concerning the wiping out of the $25 million court judgement and you will see the futility of any libel suit. Even though what Bakr is claiming rings truer, he still has the burden of proof to contend with in his claim against Manning.[/quote:ee939]

As if there is no definition for slander. Who better than Ramesh, the "super" lawyer?

You constantly bring up Abu Bakr Abu Bakr when the subject at hand is Ramesh/"Mannin". When do you ever stop believing a word he has to say?[/quote:ee939]

lou,

I will stop believing a microsecond after you stop believing that Manning farts butterflies and sh!ts Godivar truffles.

[King B]

I so glad this man is somebody else's problem now. :roll:

[lou_uk]

lou,

I will stop believing a microsecond after you stop believing that Manning farts butterflies and sh!ts Godivar truffles.

If given the choice I'd vote for "Mannin" over Bakr any day..

[Dsuperc]

According to Chalkie, Bas and Ramesh go hang Jack

[Somebody007]

lou,

I will stop believing a microsecond after you stop believing that Manning farts butterflies and sh!ts Godivar truffles.

If given the choice I'd vote for "Mannin" over Bakr any day..


lol_uk, leave DT alone nah.....it eh worth the trouble trying to convince he of anything. In Trinidad and you will know this, there are the die hards for every political party out there....so if he want to believe that Manning is a bad person and Panday is the greatest man to ever walk the face of this earth, then leave it so nah....only in death the real truth is revealved and it does be soooooo shocking to those who didn't try to seek it in this life and otherwise.

[Maccogirl]

Yes, yes we all know Ramesh hang Dole, but Dole lawyer is now in the Crime Committee of the COP so all yuh go figure that one :roll: :lol: :lol:

[Double Trouble]

lou,

I will stop believing a microsecond after you stop believing that Manning farts butterflies and sh!ts Godivar truffles.

If given the choice I'd vote for "Mannin" over Bakr any day..

lou,

Ditto for me and I am no fan of Manning.

What is troubling to me though, is the fact that Manning would publicly accept the endorsement of a vile creature like Abu Bakr. Manning would later go on to reward Bakr with million dollar contracts, land ( the deal was later reneged on ) and a promise to wipeout outstanding debts. Didn't Manning think of the impact that his actions would have on the familes of the victims of 1990. He did so much for Bakr but what did he do for the victims and their families?

[nikkidan]

So what, everybody know this already?

this supposed to do what, take the focus off "Manning is a dictator" and Valley coming out and saying he and patrick is not fren?

lol

[nikkidan]

So what, everybody know this already?

this supposed to do what, take the focus off "Manning is a dictator" and Valley coming out and saying he and patrick is not fren?

lol

[JPersad]

DT ,
It is plain for a deaf man to hear that Manning is speaking the truth with regards to RLM stabbing Panday in his back .If RLM was truly concerned about corruption , he would instead have gone to the police .
BUT RLM with his raw and naked political ambition , chose instead to run the the political enemy , the PNM (Please note carefull UNC SUPPORTERS ) in his quest to screw Panday .

That is fact my dear friend .No matter which way you all in here try to spin it .
Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj cannot plainly say "Manning lie.!"

So when UNC supporters come in here and talk about PNM , corruption and nepotism , how much better is the UNC ?

MG ,
Yes I am here comfortable , but so too are the knife and fork UNC candidates who will not give up their US and UK passports .When they can't handle he heat no more , they will be on the first flight out .
Why yuh think Panday and RLM children living in England instead of Trinidad ?

[Somebody007]

DT ,
It is plain for a deaf man to hear that Manning is speaking the truth with regards to RLM stabbing Panday in his back .If RLM was truly concerned about corruption , he would instead have gone to the police .
BUT RLM with his raw and naked political ambition , chose instead to run the the political enemy , the PNM (Please note carefull UNC SUPPORTERS ) in his quest to screw Panday .

That is fact my dear friend .No matter which way you all in here try to spin it .
Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj cannot plainly say "Manning lie.!"

So when UNC supporters come in here and talk about PNM , corruption and nepotism , how much better is the UNC ?

MG ,
Yes I am here comfortable , but so too are the knife and fork UNC candidates who will not give up their US and UK passports .When they can't handle he heat no more , they will be on the first flight out .
Why yuh think Panday and RLM children living in England instead of Trinidad ?


;) ;)

[Scorpio]

007, dey sayin yuh is Manning odder son boy, dais true ? :?:

[Somebody007]

007, dey sayin yuh is Manning odder son boy, dais true ? :?:


Noo. that eh true...only DT who is actually Jack Warner's brother saying so....My hair too straight to call Manning my daddy.

[Maccogirl]

Jp stop making your self a fool you are acting as if you know without a doubt that COP people don't have US, UK or Australian passports also, you acting as if none of the have their children living abroad, everything is UNCA people for you. You know what COP supporters or members in their executive will do if COP don't get a seat in this election?

As I said before you living in the cold you have no idea what going on in T&T on the ground once again I will say don't take all the nonsense you see some COP supporters posting on here as the gospel truth.

[Scorpio]

My hair too straight to call Manning my daddy.


doh be too sure nah, douglarisation is a hell of ah ting. :D

[Somebody007]

My hair too straight to call Manning my daddy.


doh be too sure nah, douglarisation is a hell of ah ting. :D


also meh real surname aint Manning at all.

[JPersad]

Jp stop making your self a fool you are acting as if you know without a doubt that COP people don't have US, UK or Australian passports also, you acting as if none of the have their children living abroad, everything is UNCA people for you. You know what COP supporters or members in their executive will do if COP don't get a seat in this election?

As I said before you living in the cold you have no idea what going on in T&T on the ground once again I will say don't take all the nonsense you see some COP supporters posting on here as the gospel truth.
Spin my dear friend , spin !
No we do not what the COP will do with absolute certainty , but we do know that Panday and RLM screwed their UNC supporters and handed the government to the PNM .
Man would not have progressed to where he is today if he had not delve into the unknown .

[Double Trouble]

007, dey sayin yuh is Manning odder son boy, dais true ? :?:


Noo. that eh true...only DT who is actually Jack Warner's brother saying so....My hair too straight to call Manning my daddy.

Jack is a good brother.

Now why you had to go there? I am talking about you putting down Manning because of his hair type. What does that have to do with Manning, as one of God's children? :roll:

[Maccogirl]

You must be feel I living in the Twilight Zone I not taking any chance with the unknown is ok, I have a car not a spaceship. When I see a man walking around with his doctor dressed in skull cap and gown on a political platform and talking nonsense of a VAT free Tobago on only food and construction material, when we all know Tobago buys everything from Trinidad, I really have to wonder about that kind of unknown. :roll:

When I see faces of the old NAR regime and people like Hamel Smith and De Lima I really have to sit and wonder about that unknow, when I see a man like Robert Myers in the mix a man whose signature was on the check for 400,000 paid to Magistrate Mc Nichollas I wonder about that unknown.

I can go on and on and tell you all about the unknowns that I wonder about with the COP, and up to now no one on here has given me one good explanation as to why the COP will be so different to the UNC or the PNM who they are claiming is the worse governments this country has ever had.

[skl]

You must be feel I living in the Twilight Zone I not taking any chance with the unknown is ok, I have a car not a spaceship. When I see a man walking around with his doctor dressed in skull cap and gown on a political platform and talking nonsense of a VAT free Tobago on only food and construction material, when we all know Tobago buys everything from Trinidad, I really have to wonder about that kind of unknown. :roll:

When I see faces of the old NAR regime and people like Hamel Smith and De Lima I really have to sit and wonder about that unknow, when I see a man like Robert Myers in the mix a man whose signature was on the check for 400,000 paid to Magistrate Mc Nichollas I wonder about that unknown.

I can go on and on and tell you all about the unknowns that I wonder about with the COP, and up to now no one on here has given me one good explanation as to why the COP will be so different to the UNC or the PNM who they are claiming is the worse governments this country has ever had.

I wonder what any of this have to do with Ramesh.

[Scorpio]

RLM is such a loser, he'll never achieve his greates dream which is to be PM. :evil:

[Maccogirl]

So Manning had all this information on Ramesh and hold it for 6 years, even with all the mashing up of the UNC with COP, Ramesh walking all over the place cussing Manning about the smelter plants and he stay quiet till now. Manning must be a dam fool, he take so long to call election, he let every party get supporters to make it harder for the PNM now at this late hour he busing files......he had to be the most foolish man in true. :D

[lou_uk]

So Manning had all this information on Ramesh and hold it for 6 years, even with all the mashing up of the UNC with COP, Ramesh walking all over the place cussing Manning about the smelter plants and he stay quiet till now. Manning must be a dam fool, he take so long to call election, he let every party get supporters to make it harder for the PNM now at this late hour he busing files......he had to be the most foolish man in true. :D

I interpret that attack as the foundation for the PNM going into Tabaquite the following night. He repeated the claim last night also stating that Ramesh and Panday are two "friends" he would stay far from. None of us here believe that PNM have a chance in Tabaquite but many (including the PNM) would rather see Anand win over Ramesh.

Ramesh also said last night that he wanted to debate that and other issues with Manning. That makes no sense whatever.. Ramesh is a political nobody and will continue to be until he is elected anywhere again.

[vaio]

RLM has Bas and the UNC where he wants them...then its running to Patos again...i wonder if Bas really trust RLM...he hadda to be real stupid then.. :mrgreen:

[Somebody007]

So Manning had all this information on Ramesh and hold it for 6 years, even with all the mashing up of the UNC with COP, Ramesh walking all over the place cussing Manning about the smelter plants and he stay quiet till now. Manning must be a dam fool, he take so long to call election, he let every party get supporters to make it harder for the PNM now at this late hour he busing files......he had to be the most foolish man in true. :D


Manning aint no fool nah....he does take alot of criticism but he aint no fool nah....I feel something bigger than this story is coming.....watch out.

[Maccogirl]

All I can say is tell Manning bring it yes, say whatever when all is said an done he will still be getting some kind of opposition in parliament next time around, he could do an say what he wants just as long as he does not run away with this election and we end up with a 38 -3 margin, if UNCA can hold at least 20 seats in the house I will work with that, but God help all of us if this man gets full control.

[Scorpio]

RLM's reason for giving Manning that pic in 2000 was all about stopping Panday from douglarising the UNC at all costs.

I wonder how he feels now about having to crawl back to UNC and having to dance to Jack's tune.

The damn idiot !

[Somebody007]

RLM's reason for giving Manning that pic in 2000 was all about stopping Panday from douglarising the UNC at all costs.

I wonder how he feels now about having to crawl back to UNC and having to dance to Jack's tune.

The damn idiot !


hehehehehehehehe...hahahahaha....lol...... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[sam48]

MG,
Most of us knew about Ramesh betraying Panday and the UNC, and his love affair with Manning was all over the media.
The difference is that we now have it "straight from the horses mouth" direct and live and I notice that Ramesh not denying it.
They both gave the shaft to their supporters, who elected a govt and gave it to Panday and Ramesh to care and manage it. They both destroyed it with no thought for the people who voted for them.
It is obvious that Manning is now using this issue to drive the wedge of opposition disunity a little further in, but once again it is the same pair of betrayers who is the cause of that disunity and who should bow out even at this eleventh hour.
They are once again handing the govt to Manning and the PNM on a silver platter.
If these two were really concerned about beating the PNM they would have bowed out when they saw that their presence was standing in the way of opposition unity and defeating the PNM.
Panday should be the one to say "give the baby to her instead of chopping it into two halves" He has enjoyed the support of the opposition voters enough to make that sacrifice. Two shameless neemakharams!!

[scrunter]

Did manning make this remark to just what you all are doing on this thread ...arguing over the past...distracted from the current scenario...In 2001 or thereof did anyone know that manning wanted to be executive president...did anyone know that he wanted to rewrite the constitution to make himself sole ruler and den have one of his junior minister Christine Kangaloo go on national tv and lie dat no such document exist..did anyone know that he wanted to go against the wishes of the population and impose his personal views on the public albeit the casino affair;the smelter plants;huge highrise buildings in POS;billion dollars railway project ..dat he go pass laws to protect his partner Monteil and de boyz who used inside trading to make millions dat we know of...den he lied about it in parliament which was televised and when was caught give a cock and bull apology..and de list goes on...so Ramesh is ah ole dog he sell out bas ...manning was put dey to do ah better job......from an objective point of view first de NAR and then the UNC had to work with almost empty treasuries which they did NAR took some harsh measures but because of that we did not have to sell out we patrimony and when it was time to reap de benefits de pnm hoodwinked the people into believing de NAR put de ppl through hell and would continue to do so so dey better get rid of dem and what was the result....public servants did not get back the money they used from the cut in salaries dem fellas with manning just pussyfooted with the issue...then de unc worked with U$ 8.00 a barrel and every year they were in office they increased old age pension ...dey give bonds to the teachers as part payment for what they lost with the salary cut..food prices hardly went up ...yes they tief but they also improved de lives of the citizens of this country..they started the reduction of tertiary education expenses dey started de computer in school programme etc......den Mr Robbie paid back panday for leaving his government by kicking him out of government and replacing him with manning.......so yes we could be distracted with this latest ploy by manning who squandered billions of dollars or we could look at the issues and do what you think is right....NUFF said :twisted:

[Solachica]

Yea.
I thought this was all establised already so how come people acting like it's this big revelation now?
:?

[bluemellow]

dooks walking with he dr... so what?
seem to me panday should have one too as how he was so sick some months ago when he was in jail.

[JPersad]

Yea.
I thought this was all establised already so how come people acting like it's this big revelation now?
:?
You were aware that RLM gave those photos to Manning ?
I thought was the Ambassador to England .
Notice however , RLM is not denying that he gave the photo to Manning .
Now RLM crying that he going to take Manning to court because Manning say that he , RLM is his best friend !
Boy , am I happy I gave up on RLM when he returned to Bas !

[Maccogirl]

JP you studying Bas photos well tonight on wide screen there are photos of Manning house in Germany under his sons name :D lets see how the media handles this one now :lol: :lol:

[JPersad]

JP you studying Bas photos well tonight on wide screen there are photos of Manning house in Germany under his sons name :D lets see how the media handles this one now :lol: :lol:
Open season !
Bring it all out !

[JPersad]

Trinidad Guardian Editorial dated Friday 10/26/07 :

Come clean,

Mr Maharaj

The issue is not whether Ramesh Maharaj is Patrick Manning’s and the PNM’s best friend, or whether, as Mr Maharaj claims, the Prime Minister is attempting to divert attention away from his “incompetence” in government. The issue is Mr Maharaj’s yet-to-be-explained return to a party and political leader that he castigated for ignoring serious allegations of corruption while being in office.

That was Mr Maharaj’s clarion call after being thrown out of government and the United National Congress back in 2001 as he and his colleagues in Team Unity vigorously campaigned across the country against Mr Panday, several UNC ministers and the party in government for allegedly ignoring several very questionable matters over the six years the party was in government.

But without as much as an attempt to explain away how he could now rejoin such a group of politicians and party and not besmirch his own vaunted integrity, Mr Maharaj jumps back into political bed with his former erstwhile colleagues.

While it is within the prerogative of Basdeo Panday to forgive Mr Maharaj for the hurt and pain that he inflicted on him and the UNC and to join together to “remove the PNM, the common enemy,” the issue is much larger than a matter between the two.

Mr Maharaj’s unexplained return to an allegedly corrupt group of people and a party to contest for the government of the country has serious national implications.

How can the country trust this man—more so if the UNC-A were to win office, the probability being high that he would be returned to the office of Attorney General of the government—without a full and complete explanation from him?

The questions are many: if he were returned to his favourite job for a second time, having been forgiven for his transgressions against Mr Panday and the UNC, will Mr Maharaj this time keep the peace even though he is once again faced with allegations of corruption?

Alternatively, the country needs to know whether Mr Maharaj’s accusations and actions of 2001 were simply acts of political mischief to feed his own hurt at being summarily evicted from the office of Attorney General.

In either of the instances above, there must be questions as to how the population is to trust the official—assuming Mr Maharaj is made Attorney General if the UNC-A were to win the election—who holds such a crucial position in relation to the laws of the land, the judiciary and advising the government on legal matters?

This matter transcends the contestation for political office between Mr Maharaj and Mr Manning, the UNC-A and the PNM, or even an ongoing verbal slugfest to be engaged in on the platforms of the parties. It has now become an issue of politicians taking seriously their responsibility to be accountable to the electorate.

As it exists today, there is a political culture of “unresponsibility”—parties and politicians on the campaign trail, in government, in opposition go their merry way largely unresponsive to the population.

They grind out personal and political axes against each other, spend the resources of the country, at times ignoring completely the views of the population, even boasting on occasion about their “courage” in going contrary to what people and experts are saying about projects and their style of governance.

Mr Maharaj has questions to answer and maybe the electorate will gain the courage to demand that he answers them and so sets off a trend of people demanding that their politicians be accountable to them for what they do and say.

[Maccogirl]

That is old news JP it have bigger files than that now :D :D lets hope the media is just as eager with this new revelation to investigate it fully now :D

[Solachica]

TnT media hardly ever do any real investigative reporting. They just a waste of time.

[peanut]

MG, tell Ramesh hold a Prime time News Conference and Buss Files!

[JPersad]

MG, tell Ramesh hold a Prime time News Conference and Buss Files!
You will quicker see snow in Trinidad .
RLM file got busted by Manning !
RLM is not denying that he gave Manning those photos .

[Maccogirl]

The fact of the matter is something was said, some of you love to talk about Bas apartment in london for years people hang on to that, forget who buss files or not is the media going to just sit there now and not investigate this revelation of Manning owning a house in Germany.

For years there was the question of some kind of shady going on with some company where Manning used his office to get scholarships for his son, the media went dead on this issue, now we are hearing about a house, the company names called. Why it is the media not interested? The media was interested enough to put a picture that is 6 years old of Ramesh shaking Mannings hand to prove a point so what happen now the not interested in finding out if Manning corrupt?

The media only want to know who thief in the UNC, or what Bas declared or not,or how Bas acquired all this wealth? I don't care who buss what files the fact of the matter is the public needs to know what is the story behind this accusation of shady dealing with Manning in Germany, JP if you only interested in UNCA and Ramesh that is you.

Same way you interested in Jack business lets hear about Manning business also, and if he did not declare all his assets, I think Bas going to court with that right now, the man even make a jail for that , I am sure the law is not only made for UNC officials is it now???

[bluemellow]

Aside from the fact that this is RLM's latest attempt to divert negative attention away from himself, it is questionable whether the media will be as probing with the German abode as they were with the UK flat.
Panday was never a media-friendly man whereas Patrick and the PNM are pumping millions into the media right about now through their extensive ad campaigning.

It is not hard to understand why Patrick's German accommodations will not receive the headlines it deserves.
What media house in their right minds will give them negative publicity now... just ask Errol Fabien.

[Maccogirl]

Well blue we in a bad state then but I understand what you are trying to say case in point even on here check the threads people more interested in cussing Bas and Jack about Mandela other than wondering if Manning has his hand in the kitty. In that regard I can't blame Manning I would thief them blind and ensure that when I am gone my children live like kings :lol:

[JPersad]

MG ,
I think all corrupted politicians should be exposed .
But don't make allegations .Bring facts !
If Manning accquired a house by questionable means in Germany , then expose him .
The same for Dookeran or anyone else .

What I cannot understand however is that you are well aware of all the wrongs the UNC did , aided and abetted by Basdeo Panday and you still support them ?

And RLM ?
Had I know that he went to Manning with those photos ,instead of the DPP , I would have stopped supporting him since back then.
Much as he had it with Panday back then , you certainly don't give the political enemy ammunition , you give it to the law , if you think the law was broken .
.That is the heights of backstabbing !
RLM will now talk about everything on the platform , except them photos !
With regards to that , RLM will boil own like bhaji !

[Maccogirl]

I think ramesh did say last nigh that in his going to Manning there was no mention of Panday being corrupt and he has a file to that regard where there was no mention in it about Panday, what he did say that in the file the two names were Ganga and Sadiq.

We know Sadiq was charged and is out on bail case is still to be called, we also know that everyone around Ganga Singh in that Desal project of which Ganga was the line minister has also be charged, the PNM even went as far as Israel to investigate some one there.

This Desal case if before the courts presently no one has been cleared, we also know that from some reason Sadiq's case seems to be lost in the cobwebs of the court house, and we also know Manning keeps alluding to the fact that some people in the COP executive will be going to jail, those are the facts. I don't know what is true or not but I always feel where there is smoke the fire is behind.

[vaio]

I think ramesh did say last nigh that in his going to Manning there was no mention of Panday being corrupt and he has a file to that regard where there was no mention in it about Panday, what he did say that in the file the two names were Ganga and Sadiq.

We know Sadiq was charged and is out on bail case is still to be called, we also know that everyone around Ganga Singh in that Desal project of which Ganga was the line minister has also be charged, the PNM even went as far as Israel to investigate some one there.

This Desal case if before the courts presently no one has been cleared, we also know that from some reason Sadiq's case seems to be lost in the cobwebs of the court house, and we also know Manning keeps alluding to the fact that some people in the COP executive will be going to jail, those are the facts. I don't know what is true or not but I always feel where there is smoke the fire is behind.

So isn't Bas ultimately responsible for those two MInisters who were in his cabinet??? He is the innocent one there?

[JPersad]

MG ,
When you charge someone , make sure you have proof .

If there is evidence that Gangaand Sadiq committed a crime , then hell yeah , charge them .

Suddenly it looks like RLM files need a prescription of Viagra !

[vaio]

he needs to stop talking and act then!!!!

[King B]

Oh Lord Ranesh is de best! Neither of Manning's children ever received any German scholarship and I dont remember Manning taking any trips to Germany, not even for football. So what the hell he needs a house in Germany for? LOL! Dance Ramesh, dance. :lol:

[Maccogirl]

king how you know where Manning goes?? :D It easy to go London/ USA and end up anywhere in the world is it not, as for the house did Manning children not live in Germany for some time :roll:

[King B]

Manning is the PM; how he going to Germany and nobody knows? He is Jason Bourne or wha? hahahahahahahahaha!

[Maccogirl]

King I tell you already don't start meh up nah, all I am saying is lets be balance the media went to all lengths to investigate Panday's apartment, be it if it was Ramesh or Glenda behind it. We now have a new issue of a house in Germany, in the fairness of reporting the media needs to do its work now in the same fashion that they did in Panday's time, in the interest of the public they should that is all I am saying.

[lou_uk]

Just heard the "Mannin's" response on that. He said it is not true and feel free to investigate him. The funny part about it is that he wished "them" all the best..

[Scorpio]

I want to know when Manning paying his $M court costs from his failed move to unseat Vincent Lasse and de odder floor crosser from Arima (I forget he name)

[Parsifal]

I want to know when Manning paying his $M court costs from his failed move to unseat Vincent Lasse and de odder floor crosser from Arima (I forget he name)

Paid in full already. There was a big thing in the press when it was done a few years back.

I dont think that this talk about a house in Germany is going to grow into anything. It sounds as fishy as the baby Destiny thing a few years ago.

The UNCA is starting to clutch at straws now. They are losing traction and momentum by engaging is useless banter and gimmickry. The Mandela fiasco is going to detract from their ability to post "positive" headlines and we are already in the home stretch. All that did was keep Jack and Bas off of the platform for a couple of days and the entire enterprise just made them look unnecessarily foolish.

Prediction: The PNM is going to unleash a sea of red after the Youth Fest tomorrow and keep on building their momentum to get the "inevitability" and "bandwagon" effect going until election day.

[Scorpio]

I want to know when Manning paying his $M court costs from his failed move to unseat Vincent Lasse and de odder floor crosser from Arima (I forget he name)

Paid in full already. There was a big thing in the press when it was done a few years back.

I must have missed that.

[Parsifal]

I want to know when Manning paying his $M court costs from his failed move to unseat Vincent Lasse and de odder floor crosser from Arima (I forget he name)

Paid in full already. There was a big thing in the press when it was done a few years back.

I must have missed that.

Forgiven if you did because it was all a total waste of time and money.....it was one of the reasons why Manning and Valley started to have a very strained relationship. Valley insisted on pursuing the action and he got some attorneys to advise Manning to take the matter to court.

The other was of course the entire Occah Seapaul matter.....and you know how that turned out.

Ken has been in the proverbial "Dog House" for quite a while now.

His attitude to the Bagatelle residents was the last straw.

[sam48]

Any politician who engages in corruption should be punished according to the law.
That must apply to ALL across the board and let the chips fall where they may.
But to get back to this thread, I have seen politicians grovel and suck up to the leader and perform all kinds of shameful antics to get back into good graces,but RLM and Panday take the cake.
None of them have explained or accounted to the supporters of the UNC for the failure of the last UNC govt. after only one year in office.None of them have even mentioned it and have come back to ask for vote again like if nothing ever happened. Do they feel people are so stupid and gullible.
The pain and shame that was felt by that betrayal has not gone away and it has not been forgotten.
If Manning gets the majority he craves and amends the constitution to make he and Hazel emperor and empress to live inthe palace he has prepared and made ready it will be RLM and Panday who put them there.
They should both come clean with the UNC base before they ask for their support again.What assurance do we have that they will not play the same tune again and shame us once more.

[Huma]

Do they feel people are so stupid and gullible.

Are you saying that many of their supporters aren't?

I think only two types of people can overlook such a scathing indictment of a party: idiots and liars.

The fact that posters who belong to the party absolutely refuse to confront it, defend it, justify it or deny it speaks volumes.

[skl]

you know if it turn out that "Manning House" in germany is just the dormatory that David Manning stayed in, then Maharaj go be the laughing stock of TT.

[lou_uk]

you know if it turn out that "Manning House" in germany is just the dormatory that David Manning stayed in, then Maharaj go be the laughing stock of TT.

Yeah but, no but why isn't anybody on here discussing this latest bombshell? Says a lot about Ramesh.

In the quest for the truth, bare in mind Ramesh is a man who would have represented guilty men in the past. Including murderers. He would even boast of being a successful liar, sorry, lawyer at times.

[vaio]

Ah wonder what RLM got from the PNM for selling out Bas in 2001? :geek:

[Maccogirl]

You all want us on here to discuss what Manning house?? What is the media doing I bet anything if some one had some picture of a house on the moon saying is Bas own the media would of sent a man out there just to find out if its true. So we discussing that does not matter, the media not interested when one media house can collect 164 million in advertising dollars from a government you really feel they going to cut off their nose to spoil their face....look all yuh wake up yes its time. :roll:

[cm103]

A german journalist did some checking up on the address that RLM mentioned. Seemed there was no street with that exact name and the closest match was a seedy part of town. I think he also mentioned that the name on record for that house wasn't Manning.

I should send RLM a letter saying that Santa Claus is real. We might hear him say that at the next meeting.

Aye, how allyuh UNC supporters dealing with losing some of your support base to the PNM daily? Nobody brought up the Le Guerre interview on that?

[lou_uk]

JP you studying Bas photos well tonight on wide screen there are photos of Manning house in Germany under his sons name :D lets see how the media handles this one now :lol: :lol:

But this was you not too long ago.. What happened?

[lou_uk]

A german journalist did some checking up on the address that RLM mentioned. Seemed there was no street with that exact name and the closest match was a seedy part of town. I think he also mentioned that the name on record for that house wasn't Manning.

Where did you get that info?


I should send RLM a letter saying that Santa Claus is real. We might hear him say that at the next meeting.

Aye, how allyuh UNC supporters dealing with losing some of your support base to the PNM daily? Nobody brought up the Le Guerre interview on that?

I know crowds don't win elections, but did anybody see the size of the COP crowd last night? They are sure to do some serious damage in some way.

[Maccogirl]

And what is your point the media investigate it, putting what Ramesh said is a investigation? So now the UNCA lying on Manning to make him look bad just like how the UNCA like to beat up Dooks...all yuh good yes Manning is now the battered one for the COP :lol: :lol: :lol:

[lou_uk]

And what is your point the media investigate it, putting what Ramesh said is a investigation? So now the UNCA lying on Manning to make him look bad just like how the UNCA like to beat up Dooks...all yuh good yes Manning is now the battered one for the COP :lol: :lol: :lol:

So much for confidence in the media... and if they did find that Ramesh was talking rubbish this time around, clearly we all would see that his housing policy is outdated by a whole six years. Is he losing his political touch?

Basket really doh hold water..

[King B]

For a man who is a career liar this was truly a sad attempt. Couldn't he have been more creative? Somewhere Brian Manning is saying 'well at least is not me this time.' LOL!!!!!

[skl]

And what is your point the media investigate it, putting what Ramesh said is a investigation? So now the UNCA lying on Manning to make him look bad just like how the UNCA like to beat up Dooks...all yuh good yes Manning is now the battered one for the COP :lol: :lol: :lol:

me eh know how you bring COP in this.

what you should be concerned about is that RLM recieve anonymous info and ent even check to see if the house exist. but he gone on TV showing them pics. he better pray the info right.

[skl]

You all want us on here to discuss what Manning house?? What is the media doing I bet anything if some one had some picture of a house on the moon saying is Bas own the media would of sent a man out there just to find out if its true.


A german journalist did some checking up on the address that RLM mentioned. Seemed there was no street with that exact name and the closest match was a seedy part of town. I think he also mentioned that the name on record for that house wasn't Manning.


And what is your point the media investigate it, putting what Ramesh said is a investigation? So now the UNCA lying on Manning to make him look bad just like how the UNCA like to beat up Dooks...all yuh good yes Manning is now the battered one for the COP :lol: :lol: :lol:


LOL Macco. You reach the point where you disagreeing with yourself ?

[cm103]

For a man who is a career liar this was truly a sad attempt. Couldn't he have been more creative? Somewhere Brian Manning is saying 'well at least is not me this time.' LOL!!!!!

Well ask who got the contract for the streetlight project and you'll hear a familiar name.

[cm103]

A german journalist did some checking up on the address that RLM mentioned. Seemed there was no street with that exact name and the closest match was a seedy part of town. I think he also mentioned that the name on record for that house wasn't Manning.

Where did you get that info?



By my own admission its not a very creditable source at the moment but I started hearing about it this morning early then someone pointed me to this comment left on the Express article today. Hopefully by Monday I'll be able to verify this.


Maharaj said the house is located at 152 A Vaalser Street in Hanover, a town in Germany. That address does not even exist in Germany; the only city with a *Vaalser Strasse* (street) is Aachen. Based on the picture, I, as a German journalist and writer, did a little research on this matter today: 3) I took a look in our electronic German Telephone Directory and found out that there in fact exists a house *Vaalser Straße 152 B*, with about a dozen of personal listings . I choose one of the inhabitants, called him just now, and can tell you definitely that THIS HOUSE DOES NOT BELONG to Prime Minister Manning or his son. 4) The person I have just talked to, said yes, the entrance of the house is excatly how I described it to him according to the TT Guardian photo. It is a three-story building and part of a multi-houses condominium, almost all of the owners of the individual flats not living in there themselves, but renting there apartment through an agency to mainly students. 5) So this building *152 B* is not owned by one person, but by about a dozen of owners who choose to invest capital in this form because it lawfully helps you to reduce your tax bill. 6) In case that Manning's son has been studying at Aachen (yes, there is a famous technical highschool / university), it is possible that he did rent an apartment for some time, but most unlikly that he bought one from its former owner, because in this area, and the standard of the houses, Manning's would definitely not buy property.

I'm having a friend of mine who is going to school in Germany verify this.

Seems strange that all of a sudden RLM getting letters about Manning as soon as Patos buss d mark on him.That is timing.

[King B]

For a man who is a career liar this was truly a sad attempt. Couldn't he have been more creative? Somewhere Brian Manning is saying 'well at least is not me this time.' LOL!!!!!

Well ask who got the contract for the streetlight project and you'll hear a familiar name.

Really, what's the name of the company? :roll:

[snowbird]

A german journalist did some checking up on the address that RLM mentioned. Seemed there was no street with that exact name and the closest match was a seedy part of town. I think he also mentioned that the name on record for that house wasn't Manning.

Where did you get that info?



By my own admission its not a very creditable source at the moment but I started hearing about it this morning early then someone pointed me to this comment left on the Express article today. Hopefully by Monday I'll be able to verify this.


Maharaj said the house is located at 152 A Vaalser Street in Hanover, a town in Germany. That address does not even exist in Germany; the only city with a *Vaalser Strasse* (street) is Aachen. Based on the picture, I, as a German journalist and writer, did a little research on this matter today: 3) I took a look in our electronic German Telephone Directory and found out that there in fact exists a house *Vaalser Straße 152 B*, with about a dozen of personal listings . I choose one of the inhabitants, called him just now, and can tell you definitely that THIS HOUSE DOES NOT BELONG to Prime Minister Manning or his son. 4) The person I have just talked to, said yes, the entrance of the house is excatly how I described it to him according to the TT Guardian photo. It is a three-story building and part of a multi-houses condominium, almost all of the owners of the individual flats not living in there themselves, but renting there apartment through an agency to mainly students. 5) So this building *152 B* is not owned by one person, but by about a dozen of owners who choose to invest capital in this form because it lawfully helps you to reduce your tax bill. 6) In case that Manning's son has been studying at Aachen (yes, there is a famous technical highschool / university), it is possible that he did rent an apartment for some time, but most unlikly that he bought one from its former owner, because in this area, and the standard of the houses, Manning's would definitely not buy property.

I'm having a friend of mine who is going to school in Germany verify this.

Seems strange that all of a sudden RLM getting letters about Manning as soon as Patos buss d mark on him.That is timing.

While this is all very titillating information, my question is simply this....... how does any of this further the cause of Trinidad, how does it improve the quality of life for Trinidadians, how does it improve the economy of T&T. In other words, other than providing fodder for people who seem to live for bachannal on a need to know everything basis, how does any of this really add value to Trinidad and Tobago? Shouldn't that be the question at election time?
Some may say RLM and Patrick are fools to get into this type of tit for tat, but it is obvious they both have their finger on the pulse of the nation, they know exactly what they populace wants, and are giving it to them, while at the same time providing distraction from the real issues that face the country since it would appear neither has answers or solutions to those problems.

[Somebody007]

Snowbird, it does not improve anything. It just makes it all worse than what it already is. Don't expect Trinidad to improve anytime soon, whether it is the PNM, UNC or COP government. That is why I was advocating a return to colonialism but I don't want to go to town on that too much cuz the people say they doh want no white man to rule them but guess what....when the white man was ruling here it didn't have all this comess like what we seeing now.

[Maccogirl]

All you better read tomorrow Express yes this thing getting hotter :D :D :D

[cm103]

The Express article already on their site. I done get a call from the COP main office about voters calling in pledging support to them since they really can't trust the PNM or UNC. That and Panday again on he name calling on the platform souring people. A lot of people are looking at the UNC and PNM now as the same entity from what I'm seeing and hearing.

Thanks Ramesh, the PNM wasn't taking you on but now they coming for you for throwing this in the mix.

I would like to see Manning sweat over this but like everything else, it have PNM law then the laws of the land so I probably have a better chance of seeing God face first.

[Maccogirl]

I read the article and it sure looks to me as if the PNM gained a lot more in this deal than anyone else, 2.5 mill is a lot of money to undersell a company I wonder who got the kick back with that one, yes Panday daughters name are in there but exactly what was it the gained other than a scholarship and some where to live, no were in the article is it said that Panday or the UNC gained from underselling anything.

CL Financial paid off Manning to give away this company to them to the tune of 2.5 mill and another 150,000 to Norma Phillips. Looks to me they wanted to get their hands on this company before the elections results and Manning helped the deal go through. One good thing with all this is now we know who owned those apartments in London and exactly how Panday's children paid for their education.

[JPersad]

MG ,
I think Manning did the COP a big favor by exposing the lowness of RLM .I am sure quite a few UNC supporters who were prepared to hold thier nose and vote for the UNC can no longer hold their nose .
They must breathe. I think COP will benefit from this .
But is Bas regretting bringing back RLM or is he just setting up RLM again ?
Think about it .Panday knows he will never be PM again .RLM will lose in Tabaquite .Panday will say it is time to think about the future and let a younger person lead .That person will be Mikela Panday .
Sorry Kamla , but your aspiration as leader of the UNC will not materialize.

[Maccogirl]

Jp honestly I really don;t know at this point I would say when I think about the licks Panday took for this scholarship and apartment thing from the public, the ridicule, the songs, the calling of all kind of names for Oma and how she got this money, it really makes me wonder what kind of place we are living in.

The judge said he did not believe Duprey and toss Panday in jail, now we seeing something different. Manning on the other hand added to this pretending that he clean as a whistle, he just could not afford this kind of education for his children so Panday had to be the biggest thief out there and the public bought into that, now here is the real story.

You read the article and you come up with Panday is a thief, thief what 100,000 campaign contribution to the UNC is stealing ? For all I know COP must have gotten more than that by now from their backers. The scholarship Duprey admitted to that in court, but some so anxious to get Panday they come out with Duprey lie and Panday thief. The apartment is just as Panday said not his own, it was owned by a friend and his children live there, this article also proves this.

So why the PNM witch hunt on Panday, why did the PNM and Manning go to such lengths to get Panday out of government, Andre Montille name is there also in the mix once again, if you feel this story is damming to Panday and the UNC I don't think so.

[King B]

Macco, read this again:


CL Financial and its German methanol partner, the Ferrostaal consortium, have provided study grants to the children of two of this country's Prime Ministers, Sunday Express investigations have found.

In addition to providing scholarships to Mickela and Nicola Panday, the daughters of former prime minister and United National Congress leader Basdeo Panday, CL Financial and its German partners also arranged for David Manning, the son of Prime Minister and Political Leader of the People's National Movement, Patrick Manning to study mechanical engineering at Aachen Polytechnic College in Aachen, Germany.

The Sunday Express understands that the provision of a German education for David Manning followed the divestment of the state-owned methanol company to two German firms, Ferrostaal AG and Helm AG by the Manning government of 1991-1995.

Where does it say that anyone paid for David Manning's education? Why would Manning fund one child's education and not the other? You have to be careful how you read Camini's, political hatchet woman's, articles. Ramesh made his announcement Thursday and the Express has a full investigative article by Saturday? Ha! CL Financial donates millions of dollars to every political party in T&T, COP included. They also own dozens of companies in T&T so it could be said that they are indirectly funding parties if one of their subs makes a donation. Is that evidence of a bribe? Show me where has Manning personally received any money? Show me a cheque or a transfer going to Manning's account. You telling me Manning tiefing money to buy a delapidated student dorm in Germany, a country he hasn't visited in years? Come on Macco, you are not this easily misled. Your desperation is showing my girl. Unlike Panday, who is signatory to a million dollar account he claims to have no knowledge of, Manning has never been shown to have been enriched in any way by any of these companies. German education is free to all as long as you can speak German. Ramesh is just trying to distarct from the harpoon Manning lodge in his chest with the Panday picture revelation. It seems to have worked... on Macco anyway. :roll:

[skl]

All you better read tomorrow Express yes this thing getting hotter :D :D :D


hehehehe.


And what is your point the media investigate it, putting what Ramesh said is a investigation? :lol: :lol: :lol:


so is a 'media investigation' an investigation or not ?

[lou_uk]

Unless there is a series of articles this one merely points in directions but does not prove much. If this thread is going to degenerate into another guilty before proven innocent one, I'll take my leave. You will hardly see lou_uk on a "Panday teef" thread.

Congrats goes out to Camini on her honourary doctorate based on her investigative journalism ;) .

[Maccogirl]

King let go through this slowly ok.. something is wrong here King and you know it.


The Sunday Express understands that the provision of a German education for David Manning followed the divestment of the state-owned methanol company to two German firms, Ferrostaal AG and Helm AG by the Manning government of 1991-1995.

The initial 1994 sale of 31 per cent of the issued share capital of the Trinidad and Tobago Methanol Company (TTMC) to Ferrostaal/ Helm (F/H) was sharply criticized by experts who argued then that the US$47 million F/H bid was under priced and that the offer would effectively buy the Germans US$105 worth of assets.

The divestment deal also cemented the F/H consortium as builders of the expanded methanol facility with profits of 15 to 20 per cent on the construction side of the business. Industry experts estimated that F/H's contribution of US$47 million would have been funded by start up with its construction profits of some US$41 to US$54 million.

"a continuing wealth generating asset of US$152 million for absolutely nothing." There were other sweeteners to the divestment deal which provided an additional 24 per cent interest at US$18 million to the F/H group on January 31, 1994-namely, a five-year tax holiday, said to be worth about TT$25 million a year.

CL F/H consortium at US$51 million at a time when the Manning government already had a preferred investor-Mitsui and Co, a Japanese multinational corporation.

But Manning's ruling PNM party would get a $2,650,000 advantage from CL Financial Executive Chairman Lawrence Duprey.

The first, an RBTT issued cheque for $2.5 million, is dated October 11, 1995, and made payable to the People's National Movement. The cheque is cosigned by Duprey and CL's group financial controller, Andre Monteil, who is also a senior member of the PNM executive. Monteil is the current party treasurer.

$150,000 was made out to PNM stalwart and former MP, Norma Lewis Phillip. On Target, a reputed UNC company, received a campaign contribution of $100,000 from CL Financial.

Duprey last year admitted in open court to providing scholarship grants valued at some $1.2 million to the Panday girls to study law in 1997.

In May 1997, the UNC government sold the state's remaining 25.1 per cent shareholding in TTMC to the CL F/H consortium for US$150 million following a US$150 million offer by Canadian giant, Methanex.

[King B]

Point it out Macco. In research there is a rule that states: correlation does not mean causation. CL financial contributes to the PNM all the time, as well as the other major parties. One person states that the sale price was undervalued... and we now hearing about it 10 years later? Right after Manning harpooned Ramesh's chances of winning the tabaquite seat? What a coincidence. :roll: Show me a money trail that leads to Manning. No cheque in Manning's name? No undisclosed bank account? No luxury home? Manning hiding the bribe money under his mattress or what? UNC detectives have had the entire Manning family under a microscope for years and this is all they have? A run down student dorm in Germany and a CL Financial contribution to the PNM? You're right Macco - something is very wrong here. Stewups!

[Maccogirl]

Well King we have a figure $2,650,000 we know it went into the PNM account of which a signatory on that account is Andre Montile I would assume as treasurer of the PNM, true no one can say where that money went afterwards but by not having information on this does not exempt the fact that the PNM can be using this account as a means of filtering money to persons within the PNM party including Manning.

It also brings into attention the question if this is the PNM practice of under valuing contracts to gain kickbacks for the party, also are there other contracts that were handled this way? SO the questions can be asked and I am sure you would of been the first one on here asking them if it was the UNC and Panday that got a hefty injection to the tune of $2,650,000.00 in a run up to any election.

[JPersad]

Macco spinning for the UNC !
KB spinning for the PNM !

Let me get some popcorn and ah coke .
No wait ... ah chicken oti and ah red Solo !

[King B]

Macco you sounding really desperate yes girl. The sale was undervalued and they realise it 10 years later? :roll:

The UNC not even creative in their lying; they accuse Manning of the same thing Panday did. Ha! Come on Macco, you have more sense than that. I am sure CL Financial contributed more than that sum in this election to PNM, UNC and COP. Don't allow people to play with your emotions girl.

[Maccogirl]

King boy the express bus a mark that is how I look at it, but if they bus this mark to give the COP a advantage I will have to tell the express to come again, for one reason and that is in taking so long to get to the bottom of all this it does kind of make it silly now especially with an election just days away :(

I have to agree 10 year is long to just find out that Manning children was given the same favors like Panday's kids since this was a hot topic and the Express was also part of feeding the flame that Panday must of been into some kind of under hand dealings to give his children this kind of education. :twisted:

The Express was the most vocal media house in destroying the image of Panday, for days they went on and on of what was right and what was not, what was expected from a PM or not so they did their part. Now that the Express has found religion and a clear conscience there will be questions asked as to why now and what is the motive behind it?

I agree CL Financial, the Sabga group, Gillitte group, and the Neal & Massy group all play the party game giving to each in case the results sway in one direction or the other, I am not letting any one play with my emotions I know exactly what is at stake here, I am sure PNM will deal with this from the Express eventually, but I have to agree from the stand point of it happened 10 years ago now make it look like a hatchet job being done to achieve a particular outcome.

I know one thing I still voting UNC and you voting PNM so we go beat the COP like a dustbin on Jouvert morning :D :D :D

[peanut]

MG, who go beat the COP? Yuh forget a vote for the COP is a vote for the PNM o wot?

[Maccogirl]

Peanut what you saying girl COP and the PNM is the same thing :lol: :lol: :lol:

[cm103]

If they are then you shouldn't have any problems then MG. Anybody but the COP right?

[Maccogirl]

CM you know seats are won by winning a constituency if I could pin point one constituency that the COP leading at this moment by a clear margin I would be the first one to say they looking like they making a run for it, unfortunately I just don't see that, yes the COP has support am not saying no but that support is on a national level and that does not help them much in winning government its too far a spread.

I have nothing against the COP, am not a fan of Dookeran I do believe that the COP needs another type of leader, but in the end its seats that count and am just not able to say without a doubt that his constituency is COP own, I did not cause that predicament it is just the way it is, I would be happy for them if they pull in a couple seats that would mean less for the PNM, but I just cant see where they can achieve this.

I sure would not like PNM to run away with this election but its just so much any party can do, UNC will hold their areas even though the COP will not make it easy for them, and the possibility exists that the PNM may gain in areas they never gained before. The COP people went into this election they must of know what areas they could of hold on to, and if they taught that they were going to win all 41 seats well they were even dumber than I thought, now that time is running out am still waiting to hear from the COP as to where they have taken the fight to the PNM , or even the UNC but I am not hearing that and on the ground am not seeing that either.

[cm103]

Yes I know that seats are won by winning a constituency but thats not the point. This isn't all about who winning or who losing now. This is about the country and who can do a better job at running it. If the COP doesn't win a seat, then in my eyes and the eyes of many supporters the country is poorer for it. We remain in the docta politics and 'maximum leaders' frame of mind which keep us in third world status.

I know you have issues with Dookeran and some of the faces he brought back. Well this isn't a show run by Robbie and under a recession, nor is it 1995. We in a boom and the money not reaching the people at large. When the UNC did their job in the first administration it was partly due to Panday's strong team and excellent governance of the central bank by Dookeran, even with oil at $8 a barrel. Unfortunately for Panday though, the majority of the movers and shakers from that administration are campaigning against him this election.

Dookeran might not win his seat but the way he structured the party it could carry on without him at the helm. He already has been talking about term limits for the PM spot so we don't see the same 2 faces every 5 years. Can you really say at this point the UNC is more than Basdeo Panday?

[King B]

CM, you been gulping the Kool Aid yes. Since when the governor of the central bank determines economic policy in this country? $8 a barrel, really? :roll:

Also, you do realise that the COP's constitution is based on the PNM's right? LOL! :lol:

[cm103]

Where did I say the central bank governor determines economic policy?

PNM supporters will always cry that everyone else follows them. The goals of the 2020 vision not anything out of the ordinary for any country seeking developed nation status but the methods the PNM are following to attain those goals are comedic at best. Why is it only the PNM would try and take credit for common sense? I could only see that if it wasn't common to them.

We have a geologist as the Minister of Finance, nuff said.

[King B]

Aye genius, i believe it was you who wrote this ta ta right?



When the UNC did their job in the first administration it was partly due to Panday's strong team and excellent governance of the central bank by Dookeran, even with oil at $8 a barrel.

If you could prove anything in that statement I will give you the number to a $10 million UK bank account. hahaha!

[cm103]

http://www.central-bank.org.tt/monetary ... /index.php (http://www.central-bank.org.tt/monetary_policy/index.php)

Monetary Policy refers to those actions and decisions undertaken by the Bank to create appropriate monetary conditions in line with the economic objectives of the country.

The economic policies of the country was set by who under the first UNC administration? Patrick Manning as finance minister?

Dookeran made sure that they had the money to do what they needed to do, all without the boom years that Patos enjoying now to build he skyscrapers.

[snowbird]

Macco spinning for the UNC !
KB spinning for the PNM !

Let me get some popcorn and ah coke .
No wait ... ah chicken oti and ah red Solo !

Aye, JP !!! yuh fine 2.5 million is allot ah money boy? Personally, I fine 10 million is ah lotta money, buh it look like we go hah tuh wait fer anodder election tuh hear de bacchanal on dat one :lol:

[King B]

http://www.central-bank.org.tt/monetary_policy/index.php

Monetary Policy refers to those actions and decisions undertaken by the Bank to create appropriate monetary conditions in line with the economic objectives of the country.

The economic policies of the country was set by who under the first UNC administration? Patrick Manning as finance minister?

Dookeran made sure that they had the money to do what they needed to do, all without the boom years that Patos enjoying now to build he skyscrapers.

Our economic policies were set by the UNC? Where do you get this garbage? Breds, come out from that cave you been in snuggling up with Bin Laden. I think you have missed a few things. :roll:

[Parsifal]

KB you are posting this on the wrong forum .....maybe you should send it to Al Jazeera....he might quicker see it there! :mrgreen:

Dookeran may be an intelligent guy but please do not credit him with creating any aspect of this current administration's fiscal or monetary policy. He may be many things but truly creative thought is not one of his attributes.

[cm103]

Parsifal that is not what I'm saying. Maybe policies was the wrong word to use here. Objectives seem more fitting.

I'm stating that during the first UNC administration the appropriate monetary conditions were made possible by the administration of the central bank. They got a lot done at that time on less money than what we are making now.

Nowhere did I mention this administration's fiscal or monetary policy.

[Maccogirl]

CM to add to this without saying much I can tell you that the Central Bank advice to the NAR government at the time was not to go to the IMF, unfortunately Dookeran, Robbie and Wilson had different ideas

[JPersad]

Macco spinning for the UNC !
KB spinning for the PNM !

Let me get some popcorn and ah coke .
No wait ... ah chicken oti and ah red Solo !

Aye, JP !!! yuh fine 2.5 million is allot ah money boy? Personally, I fine 10 million is ah lotta money, buh it look like we go hah tuh wait fer anodder election tuh hear de bacchanal on dat one :lol:
Maybe not for the Manning's or Panday's .
But it sure does afford a KNIFE AND FORK LIFESTYLE .
Also as the thread implies , it still boils down to Ramesh sleeping with the enemy and thus the UNC gave the elections to the PNM .
And now these two clowns want to say Dookeran dos not want unity , when they are the reason PNM is in power !
The electorate is not as stupid as some of the UNC supporters in here would like to believe .

[Maccogirl]

Jp don't bust a vein, election day is almost here forget Ramesh, Jack or Panday nah you not tired of singing the same old sorry tune?? COP have 22 seats to win what is the problem that should be easy for that party that just moving through T&T so why lose sleep and worry so much abut UNCA. I not worried if COP wins I will say good job all yuh move PNM lets move on now, but this constant back and forth about who better and who thief and lie not getting anywhere :roll:

The polls say COP winning so what is your problem celebrate from all now, the poll say UNCA dead last you see me getting sick over that, look all yuh taking this thing too seriously yes, some of you that having all this favorable reports in the polls still fighting on here daily look wine and take a drink yes Nov 6th coming soon you should be happy :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[vaio]

and ah walkin with meh baliser on Nov 6th yes.. :D

[Maccogirl]

Walk with whatever you want on the 6th the fact of the matter is elections will come and go, life goes on regardless, at least that is how I see it :roll:

[JPersad]

Walk with whatever you want on the 6th the fact of the matter is elections will come and go, life goes on regardless, at least that is how I see it :roll:
I wholeheartedly agree with you .

[Somebody007]

and ah walkin with meh baliser on Nov 6th yes.. :D


Vaio, I always thought you was with the COP.....

[vaio]

i am..but my office isn't :mrgreen: is PNM till they dead...ah have to put with they stupid grins come Nov 6th...

[Somebody007]

i am..but my office isn't :mrgreen: is PNM till they dead...ah have to put with they stupid grins come Nov 6th...

Vaio come November 6th, I can assure that the baliser will still be flying sky high.

[Parsifal]

i am..but my office isn't :mrgreen: is PNM till they dead...ah have to put with they stupid grins come Nov 6th...

Vaio come November 6th, I can assure that the baliser will still be flying sky high.

Flying sky high or the price will be sky high?

I ask that because freshly cut balisiers are now being sold at $10.00 for one!

Maybe there is a high risk factor from being bitten by "a snake in de balisier" when you go to pick one. :mrgreen:

[Somebody007]

i am..but my office isn't :mrgreen: is PNM till they dead...ah have to put with they stupid grins come Nov 6th...

Vaio come November 6th, I can assure you that the baliser will still be flying sky high.

Flying sky high or the price will be sky high?

I ask that because freshly cut balisiers are now being sold at $10.00 for one!

Maybe there is a high risk factor from being bitten by "a snake in de balisier" when you go to pick one. :mrgreen:


The way how our crops are being destroyed in T&T, pretty soon, like everything else we will be importing the balisier and selling it for $20.00 for one.

[King B]

Or maybe it is in such high demand that the price is being driven up. ;)

[Somebody007]

Or maybe it is in such high demand that the price is being driven up. ;)

Balisier will be in a high demand for planting purposes eh....not to show off with come next week.

[Somebody007]

Allyuh never notice that Basdeo Panday aint highlighting Ramesh too much on the platform again. I wonder if RLM gone back on the UNC shelf like if he is old material...... :!: :!: :roll: :roll:

[JPersad]

Allyuh never notice that Basdeo Panday aint highlighting Ramesh too much on the platform again. I wonder if RLM gone back on the UNC shelf for old material...... :!: :!: :roll: :roll:
I made that same observation on another thread.
If that is damage control , then Panday and Jack need to pull themselves out also .
This Mandela thing not going away !

[snowbird]

Allyuh never notice that Basdeo Panday aint highlighting Ramesh too much on the platform again. I wonder if RLM gone back on the UNC shelf for old material...... :!: :!: :roll: :roll:

I wudda tink yuh know Bas 'MO'; right now he busy wid he 'theatre' of Unity; once elections over RLM dogs dead.
Dis Ramesh man boasting dat he had so much holdin on de PM, he knew all de details bout the money changin hands and ting, an he eh say nuttin till now. Bas 'fry' for hiding payoff, and Ramesh knew that Patos geh de same pay off too, an didn't say nuttin till now.

Word tuh Ramesh.... keep yuh bags packed man; Basdeo go have ah little 'Winston and Kamla treatment' fer you to :lol: