So where COP going with this now??

[Maccogirl]

I see Ramlogan now has an issue with the UNCA candidates and dual citizenship, like Baharat giving Dooks thunder in that seat so now they looking for something to get the man out, I really wonder what is the COP problem and am sure if this was an issue PNM would of been making a fuss over this just as in Gypsy case, well done COP I guess as they days go by the nation will really see exactly what you guys are after.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161220223 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161220223)

[cm103]

Steups, you really ent have nothing to say eh girl?

Read the article and educate yourself. You want them candidates to go to the Privy Council to get their seats?

[Maccogirl]

I read the article what I am asking is where is the COP going with this, and how come the PNM don't have an issue with this I would of thought it would of been Manning that would jump on this as they have done in the past as we all know, why is the COP now making an issue of this am sure they always knew Vashant was running for that St. Augustine seat the entire nation knew that months now, when I first heard the talk that this citizenship issue was going on I really felt it was the PNM at it again I never thought it was the COP...strange indeed, just goes to show one must be not so anxious to blame the PNM for everything. :roll:

[cm103]

Ok, sorry. I should have said read the article and try and understand.

You think if those candidates win their seats the PNM won't have an issue with it? Check back in your history and tell me who had a problem with Bill Chaitan and Winston Peters and when they brought it up.

Why waste your vote on someone who have to go to court to take their place in Parliament if they win their seat?

Oh and while we here, the comma isn't the only method of punctuation. Just a little hint to make your responses more readable.

[Maccogirl]

Geez you to educated for this site yes that is why all yuh not winning a seat, so deal with that and not my commas or where I put them. :roll:

[JPersad]

Commonsense would dictate that the only difference between a dual citizen and a ordinary citizen , is 1 have 2 and the other 1.Other than that they both have equal rights.
Whether that is law in Trinidad and Tobago as related to contesting an election I do not know .
Therefore I will have to dis agree with Anand Ramlogan here .
Citizens should be empowered , not dis-enfranchised .

[rags]

Whether that is law in Trinidad and Tobago as related to contesting an election I do not know .
Dat is de law breds..

[cm103]

Geez you to educated for this site yes that is why all yuh not winning a seat, so deal with that and not my commas or where I put them. :roll:

If there is such a thing as too educated in your mind then I'm happy to fill that role. I see you also took the opportunity to say that the COP isn't winning a seat again, for the umpteenth time. Ok we'll play it your way, vote in your corrupt UNC and watch the opposition fall apart in about 2 years. You also don't mind the corrupt PNM since they built a PM house for the'people' and plenty big buildings for you to say we have nice things. Anybody except the COP. Like Dookeran kick your dog?

Some people just have to feel it before they realize. I always remember my granny telling me, even though the PNM thief all we money they still get 3 seats in 86. Some people just don't learn.

[skl]

I thought the UNC would have learned after Gypsy and Chaitan get in trouble in 2000.


The issue of dual citizenship caused a political maelstrom after the December 2000 general elections, when the PNM filed election petitions asking the court to declare that the UNC's Bill Chaitan and Winston Gypsy Peters were ineligible to sit in Parliament because they falsely declared that they had no allegiance to any other country on their nomination forms.

The Court of Appeal, comprising then Chief Justice Michael de la Bastide, and members Rolston Nelson and Satnarine Sharma, ruled 2-1 against Chaitan and Peters.

Justice de la Bastide also commented "the purpose of the provisions of the constitution are to prevent persons with foreign loyalties or obligations from becoming members of Parliament in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. My conclusion therefore is that a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago is disqualified for election for the House of Representatives under Section 48 (1) of the constitution if he is a citizen also of a country other that Trinidad and Tobago, having become such a citizen voluntarily of it he is under a declaration of allegiance to such a country".

[rivers]

Commonsense would dictate that the only difference between a dual citizen and a ordinary citizen , is 1 have 2 and the other 1.Other than that they both have equal rights.
Whether that is law in Trinidad and Tobago as related to contesting an election I do not know .
Therefore I will have to dis agree with Anand Ramlogan here .
Citizens should be empowered , not dis-franchised .

let's put it this way to be a member of any political office in the United States of America you have to be citizen of that country and that country alone. I am sure you don't have a problem with the disenfranchisement of the people that are so situated in the US, at least I don't see you protesting it. So why can't Trinidad and Tobago their laws? But this is how the UNC behave, the rules be damn

[Dispatcher]

If you are trini, then you are a trini regardless of the fact that you may hold some other citizenship also. The law is rather shortsighted in that people who are Trinidadians with the necessary skills to contributre to the nation should not be exempt to the political process just because they have also accept allegiance to another country.

But the thing is if Ramlogan had done his homework he would realise he's spinning top in mud just to create confusion. Bharath was born in England. He did not accept allegiance to England as part of subsequently already being a Trinidadian and accepted nationality of another country.

Hence on a technicality of the law he is a valid candidate. Either Ramlogan has a problem understanding the law or he is just trying to create havoc. Either way he loses credibility.

[JPersad]

Commonsense would dictate that the only difference between a dual citizen and a ordinary citizen , is 1 have 2 and the other 1.Other than that they both have equal rights.
Whether that is law in Trinidad and Tobago as related to contesting an election I do not know .
Therefore I will have to dis agree with Anand Ramlogan here .
Citizens should be empowered , not dis-franchised .

let's put it this way to be a member of any political office in the United States of America you have to be citizen of that country and that country alone. I am sure you don't have a problem with the disenfranchisement of the people that are so situated in the US, at least I don't see you protesting it. So why can't Trinidad and Tobago their laws? But this is how the UNC behave, the rules be damn
The US does not recognize dual citizenship .Outside of the US the US recognize that it does not have any jurisdiction on that matter whatsoever.Which is why they do confiscate or cut up foreign passports upon the bearer becoming a US citizen .
However it is important to note that all US citizens are equal.Only a US born citizen can become the President .

Getting back to Trinidad , my interpretation that unless you give the Minister of National Security official notice that it is your intention to give up Trinidad and Tobago citizenship, you remain a citizen , whether or not you gained citizenship in another country .
If that is indeed the case , then why deny these citizen the right to run for public office ?

[Maccogirl]

I think some are missing this important fact Form 39 of the Representation of the Peoples Act.The candidates were asked in the form to say if they were "by virtue of my own act, under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power or State".Meighoo said "being born in another country is not my own act. Acquiring citizenship is my own act".

As in Gypsy's case where he left T&T and having stayed in the USA applied for citizenship through whatever process that is quite different to being a victim of circumstance where your parents migrated to a foreign land and you just happened to be born there, it was not a act that the individual had any control or say in.

Both these gentlemen have been living here for years, they have made this their home, and have been working here for years, so I really don't see the issue and am sure if the EBC had one they would of mentioned it long ago, especially since there was a problem with that before.

[Mr Majik]

The US does not recognize dual citizenship .Outside of the US the US recognize that it does not have any jurisdiction on that matter whatsoever.Which is why they do confiscate or cut up foreign passports upon the bearer becoming a US citizen .
However it is important to note that all US citizens are equal.Only a US born citizen can become the President .
The US does, in fact, recognize dual citizenship. My little sister became an American citizen after livving and working there for years. She is, in fact, a citizen of the USA, Canada AND T&T. She holds valid passports for all 3 nations. She only uses her US passport for travel to and from the US. Otherwise she uses her Canadian passport.

[JPersad]

The US does not recognize dual citizenship .Outside of the US the US recognize that it does not have any jurisdiction on that matter whatsoever.Which is why they do confiscate or cut up foreign passports upon the bearer becoming a US citizen .
However it is important to note that all US citizens are equal.Only a US born citizen can become the President .
The US does, in fact, recognize dual citizenship. My little sister became an American citizen after livving and working there for years. She is, in fact, a citizen of the USA, Canada AND T&T. She holds valid passports for all 3 nations. She only uses her US passport for travel to and from the US. Otherwise she uses her Canadian passport.
While she is in the US , her Canadian and Trinidadian citizenships are not recognized .