Just in time for Elections...Panday apologizes

[JPersad]

Does Panday reall think Indo Trinidadians , more so hindus are really backward ?
Suddenly on the election platform he makes a big pappy show and apologizes to RLM for past transgressions , including calling him a jackass ,Judas and corbeaux.
Then to appeal to hindus , he conveniently speaks about his abhimaan(pride ).
I personally think Panday should apologize to all who supported UNC in the past .
This apology should be for him being responsible for the UNC losing government because amongst other things , he was trying to push Carlos John down their throat and ignoring the issues affecting the UNC at that time .
He should also try an explain his London bank account to his supporters.
While at it , he should acknowledge he is the biggest Maha Neemakharam and then bow out of public life .

[skl]

hee apology is 5 years too late...shoulda done it in 2002 or even 2001.


of course this means Panday will apologize to Dooks sometime in 2012.

[Maccogirl]

Jp I will answer your question on the London Bank account by quoting the words of COP Anan Ramlogan, his word not mine and funny there is one thing am sure if this Panday and Dooks mess did not occur Panday would of been GOD today in some of the COP supporters eyes :roll:

"Panday was not charged with corruption, and for those who know him he is virtually incorruptible. His personality and traits have no leaning towards materialism and ostentation, and his primary concern and love is politics. One point two million dollars could hardly be credited as a bribe paid to a PM who was in charge of a billion-dollar economy at a time when we were aggressively monetising our off-shore gas reserves by international competitive bidding.

If Panday received this money as a bribe, then why, pray tell, is Lawrence Duprey, who admitted to paying it, still free? He has certainly not been granted any immunity from prosecution. The PNM had persecuted Panday for a technical offence that has been committed by dozens of public officials over the years with impunity. "

http://www.anandramlogan.com/node/120

There you have it so is Anan lying ?? Or is it that now that he is COP he view has instantly changed? :roll:

[Dispatcher]

He appealed to Hindus only? I wasn't there so I can't verify but did he say he was only apologising to Hindus? Strange.

[JPersad]

MG ,
Good luck if you believe everything a lawyer says .
I wonder what Duprey got in return for giving the Panday's all this money ?
Further , maybe Duprey should have stated such before Panday was charged.

Like I said before , had Bas done the country and his supporters right , without becoming corrupted and arrogant , chances are he would have been president today and RLM may have been PM .Dookeran would have been very happy in the Ministry of Finance .

Personally that public posturing and bowing on a political platform is disgusting .

[JPersad]

He appealed to Hindus only? I wasn't there so I can't verify but did he say he was only apologising to Hindus? Strange.

"Abhimaan " is directed at the hindus .In case you do not know it means pride .
Panday is making a pathetic appeal for hindus to support him once again .

[Maccogirl]

Well JP if Anand is a lair and I cannot trust what a lawyer says why should I vote for him, can he not lie now also about other things that he is saying on the platform or lie about what he will do for the people?? You have to be consistent my friend, you cant be almost pregnant its either you are or you are not :lol: :lol:

[JPersad]

Well JP if Anand is a lair and I cannot trust what a lawyer says why should I vote for him, can he not lie now also about other things that he is saying on the platform or lie about what he will do for the people?? You have to be consistent my friend, you cant be almost pregnant its either you are or you are not :lol: :lol:
Then is the same breathe , you should not support the UNC , because if is not just yesterday that Panday started lying .

[Maccogirl]

Well then if that is your view I should vote PNM then because there is a choice its now a three party race

[Dispatcher]

He appealed to Hindus only? I wasn't there so I can't verify but did he say he was only apologising to Hindus? Strange.

"Abhimaan " is directed at the hindus .In case you do not know it means pride .
Panday is making a pathetic appeal for hindus to support him once again .

Why is it directed to Hindus? Why not directed to Muslims also? The Muslims who came to Trinidad came from India and spoke the same laguage as the Hindus. They did not speak Arabic.

So tell me when he speaks English is it that he is only appealing to Christians?

A language and a religion are 2 very different things. If the crowd in Freeport were predominantly of Indian descent and he want to use an Indian word that would they can relate then so be it. But it had nothing to do with Hindu or not Hindu.

Its when people extrapololate all kind of conspiracy theory out of nothing that they lose all credibility.

[JPersad]

Well then if that is your view I should vote PNM then because there is a choice its now a three party race
I think they are the worse of the lot !
BTW , if Anand did a half hearted job at defending Panday , what kind of lawyer would he have been ?

[JPersad]

He appealed to Hindus only? I wasn't there so I can't verify but did he say he was only apologising to Hindus? Strange.

"Abhimaan " is directed at the hindus .In case you do not know it means pride .
Panday is making a pathetic appeal for hindus to support him once again .

Why is it directed to Hindus? Why not directed to Muslims also? The Muslims who came to Trinidad came from India and spoke the same laguage as the Hindus. They did not speak Arabic.

So tell me when he speaks English is it that he is only appealing to Christians?

A language and a religion are 2 very different things. If the crowd in Freeport were predominantly of Indian descent and he want to use an Indian word that would they can relate then so be it. But it had nothing to do with Hindu or not Hindu.

Its when people extrapololate all kind of conspiracy theory out of nothing that they lose all credibility.
Breds ,
If Panday wanted to apologize to RLM , he could have done it in private and then issue a press statement .
From the Ramayan to the Mahabarath , "abhimaan " plays a key role .I am not that familiar with the Koran , so I cannot answer for muslims.
However any self respecting hindu , would take offense to the mockery Panday made of that word "Abhimaan "
But if you really believe it was not a pathetic attempt to bring back the hindu support , then good luck to you !

[JPersad]

Well then if that is your view I should vote PNM then because there is a choice its now a three party race
I think the PNM is the worse of the 3 !
But I will always defend your right to vote for the party of your choice .

[Maccogirl]

All I can say now is "PNM have it easy. PNM have it nice" jump and wave !!!!!

[Dispatcher]

Breds ,
If Panday wanted to apologize to RLM , he could have done it in private and then issue a press statement .
From the Ramayan to the Mahabarath , "abhimaan " plays a key role .I am not that familiar with the Koran , so I cannot answer for muslims.
However any self respecting hindu , would take offense to the mockery Panday made of that word "Abhimaan "
But if you really believe it was not a pathetic attempt to bring back the hindu support , then good luck to you !

How you know he didn't apologise to Ramesh already in private. One would assume he had for Ramesh to be this far into the election.

Abhiman is a word. Just a word. It as nothing to do Ramayana or Mahabharat. It a word from a language. There is no religious link with the word.

The word means Pride. So what if it is used in the Ramayana or some other book. It has nothing to do with a religion. Muslims or Christians or Jews or Parsis or Buddhists in India will use the word because its just a word that has an everyday meaning. It has no relationship with a language.
Next thing we can't use Roti, Channa, nani, mamoo, in Trinidad with being being labeled appealing to Hindus!

And if you really want to talk about the language of Hindus then that would be Sanskrit, not Hindi.

The pathetic thing is that you are so blinded by hatred you are ready to stoop to such levels of racial/religious incitement just to justify your ridiculous views.

[vaio]

how else is he gonna win those who defected to the COP? But this apology does not mean anything and it does not change anything.. Bas wld bash anyone who comes in his way and when he wants to get his way ...he calling for unity and now he apologising... if he means his apology then he shld pick up his jahagi bundle and go into exile for bringing shame to our country...and all those who believed and voted for him...

[JPersad]

Breds ,
If Panday wanted to apologize to RLM , he could have done it in private and then issue a press statement .
From the Ramayan to the Mahabarath , "abhimaan " plays a key role .I am not that familiar with the Koran , so I cannot answer for muslims.
However any self respecting hindu , would take offense to the mockery Panday made of that word "Abhimaan "
But if you really believe it was not a pathetic attempt to bring back the hindu support , then good luck to you !

How you know he didn't apologise to Ramesh already in private. One would assume he had for Ramesh to be this far into the election.

Abhiman is a word. Just a word. It as nothing to do Ramayana or Mahabharat. It a word from a language. There is no religious link with the word.

The word means Pride. So what if it is used in the Ramayana or some other book. It has nothing to do with a religion. Muslims or Christians or Jews or Parsis or Buddhists in India will use the word because its just a word that has an everyday meaning. It has no relationship with a language.
Next thing we can't use Roti, Channa, nani, mamoo, in Trinidad with being being labeled appealing to Hindus!

And if you really want to talk about the language of Hindus then that would be Sanskrit, not Hindi.

The pathetic thing is that you are so blinded by hatred you are ready to stoop to such levels of racial/religious incitement just to justify your ridiculous views.
Are you a hindu ?

[sam48]

Vaio,
Those are my sentiments exactly. If he had done that there would be no COP only a totally united opposition and a totally defeated PNM.
But Panday's abhimaan is still standing in the way.
Does he feel that he should get away "unscathed" from betraying the people and destroying the govt they elected and put in his care.
He fails to realise that there is a limit to what the people will tolerate and he has overstepped that limit due to his "abhimaan" and he must now pay for it.

[vaio]

he shld at least think that ppl are not going to be fooled by his 'apology'... sometimes i feel de man shld check his head... like lights on but not everybody home in dere... :mrgreen:

[Maccogirl]

Dont some of you feel that the time for all this Panday talk has passed geez election day and the results will show who was wrong or right, COP not beating PNM and I honestly feel they know this, but they are looking and wishing to take some seats from the UNCA to get into Opposition that is all this election is boiling down to nothing more.

The COP wants to prove Panday wrong and show that they can win seats without the UNCA weather if they will achieve this or not is left to be seen, even if they do get some seats they will still have to share the stage with Panday, Kamla and possibly a few others of the UNCA what then we going to have this same nonsense in parliament for the next 5 years some voting on bills and others not?

Time has passed people so weather if Panday is the worse man in history since Hitler is irrelevant now, and coming on here daily spending hours discussing that is nonsense, who are you guys expecting to appeal to the masses of Couva and Central? How many of these people have computers or the means of paying Internet bills, but yet its the same nonsense over and over :roll:

COP going it alone good well concentrate on moving the PNM that should be your objective and trust me it not as easy as some of you and Dookeran making people feel it is.

[sam48]

Panday has said that the only way he will step aside is if he is personally defeated in his constituency, which indicates he is not really interested in opposition unity but remaining as a MP in opposition. "Abhimaan" or thirst for personal power and damn the consequences, which is it.

[Dispatcher]

How you know he didn't apologise to Ramesh already in private. One would assume he had for Ramesh to be this far into the election.

Abhiman is a word. Just a word. It as nothing to do Ramayana or Mahabharat. It a word from a language. There is no religious link with the word.

The word means Pride. So what if it is used in the Ramayana or some other book. It has nothing to do with a religion. Muslims or Christians or Jews or Parsis or Buddhists in India will use the word because its just a word that has an everyday meaning. It has no relationship with a religion.
Next thing we can't use Roti, Channa, nani, mamoo, in Trinidad with being being labeled appealing to Hindus!

And if you really want to talk about the language of Hindus then that would be Sanskrit, not Hindi.

The pathetic thing is that you are so blinded by hatred you are ready to stoop to such levels of racial/religious incitement just to justify your ridiculous views.
Are you a hindu ?

So what does that have to do with it. You have no argument to support your accusation of religious appeal so you change the discussion.

Well I'm not religious. That is why your ridiculous linking of a word to a religion came across as being so pathetic to me. Why do you people have to bring religion into everything? It's only to create division.

When I read the story I did not link it to be appealing to any religious group. He just used an Indian word, a new word that I was happy to learn, from a different laguage. There was no need to equate it with a religion.

The man is of Indian descent and wants to us a few words from his language, I do not see it as offensive. Also if Afro Tinis want to use the odd Swahili word I happy that I will learn something of their herirtage as long as it's done in a way that the meaning is conveyed to the audience.

[Maccogirl]

Why some of you don't turn on your radio to the PNM stations and see how there is now a big blitz for the PNM, is calypso after calypso, ever song in the past years against UNC is being played, while all of you do on here daily is try and show who more intelligent than the other,or who have more files on Panday.

Both COP and UNCA going lose this election PNM going walk away with everything so all yuh keep fighting, keep cussing each other and making Panday the issue, you all are all going no where fast. :roll: This is really going to be sad in the end.

[JPersad]

How you know he didn't apologise to Ramesh already in private. One would assume he had for Ramesh to be this far into the election.

Abhiman is a word. Just a word. It as nothing to do Ramayana or Mahabharat. It a word from a language. There is no religious link with the word.

The word means Pride. So what if it is used in the Ramayana or some other book. It has nothing to do with a religion. Muslims or Christians or Jews or Parsis or Buddhists in India will use the word because its just a word that has an everyday meaning. It has no relationship with a religion.
Next thing we can't use Roti, Channa, nani, mamoo, in Trinidad with being being labeled appealing to Hindus!

And if you really want to talk about the language of Hindus then that would be Sanskrit, not Hindi.

The pathetic thing is that you are so blinded by hatred you are ready to stoop to such levels of racial/religious incitement just to justify your ridiculous views.
Are you a hindu ?

So what does that have to do with it. You have no argument to support your accusation of religious appeal so you change the discussion.

Well I'm not religious. That is why your ridiculous linking of a word to a religion came across as being so pathetic to me. Why do you people have to bring religion into everything? It's only to create division.

When I read the story I did not link it to be appealing to any religious group. He just used an Indian word, a new word that I was happy to learn, from a different laguage. There was no need to equate it with a religion.

The man is of Indian descent and wants to us a few words from his language, I do not see it as offensive. Also if Afro Tinis want to use the odd Swahili word I happy that I will learn something of their herirtage as long as it's done in a way that the meaning is conveyed to the audience.[/quoteI ]


I will repeat slowly........are.......you..... a .....hindu ?

[Dispatcher]

I will repeat slowly........are.......you..... a .....hindu ?


I repeat even more slowly: I'm ..................not ................................religious. I...........................am.................... .....an.........................atheist.

Do...................you.........................k now...................................what........ .................that...................is?

What religion are you? And why do you have to bring religion into everything as a crowbar to divide people.

[JPersad]

I will repeat slowly........are.......you..... a .....hindu ?


I repeat even more slowly: I'm ..................not ................................religious. I...........................am.................... .....an.........................atheist.

Do...................you.........................k now...................................what........ .................that...................is?

What religion are you? And why do you have to bring religion into everything as a crowbar to divide people.

Keeping on dancing and spinning !
Unlike you I will provide an answer .
I am a hindu .
I am offended when politicians use religious terminology ( on or off the platform ) for personal gains .

[littleone]

I will repeat slowly........are.......you..... a .....hindu ?


I repeat even more slowly: I'm ..................not ................................religious. I...........................am.................... .....an.........................atheist.

Do...................you.........................k now...................................what........ .................that...................is?

What religion are you? And why do you have to bring religion into everything as a crowbar to divide people.

Keeping on dancing and spinning !
Unlike you I will provide an answer .
I am a hindu .
I am offended when politicians use religious terminology ( on or off the platform ) for personal gains .

But he didn't use religious terminology. he used a hindi word. hindi is a language, it's not a religion...

[cm103]

But he didn't use religious terminology. he used a hindi word. hindi is a language, it's not a religion...

So in your mind was that meant towards a certain subset of the population or towards everybody?

[littleone]

it's meant towards the crowd that was there at the time.

[Dispatcher]

Keeping on dancing and spinning !
Unlike you I will provide an answer .
I am a hindu .
I am offended when politicians use religious terminology ( on or off the platform ) for personal gains .

But he didn't use religious terminology. he used a hindi word. hindi is a language, it's not a religion...

I don't know why he can't get that through his head.

He is the one that is guilty of what he is condemning others of doing.

He was the one that brought religion up to create division.

[Dispatcher]

Keeping on dancing and spinning !

Dancing and spinning what?

You can't believe that someone can be an Atheist? Where and in what time are you living? Get real. You just spinning to cover your subtle attempt to distance non-Hindus from the UNCA.


I am offended when politicians use religious terminology ( on or off the platform ) for personal gains .

Abiman is a word in a language. It has absolutely no religious conotation. Look in the mirror you are the only one pushing religious terminology.

Panday using a Hindi word has nothing whatsoever to do with Hinduism.

As a Hindu I would have thought that you would have known that Hindi, a language, have absolutely nothing to do with Hinduism, a religion.

[JPersad]

Dispatcher,
Just yesterday you did not know what abhimaan meant, now today you are an expert on hindi , hindu and hinduism ?
Abhimaan in the context of the Mahabarath relates to a major war which resulted from"abhimaan ."
Panday is equating this political campaign as war , and trying to arouse the primal instincts of Indo Trinis , more so hindus to support him .
It is pathetic and shameful .
But what do you care ?
Panday can say nothing wrong to your ears !

[littleone]

Dispatcher,
Just yesterday you did not know what abhimaan meant, now today you are an expert on hindi , hindu and hinduism ?
Abhimaan in the context of the Mahabarath relates to a major war which resulted from"abhimaan ."
Panday is equating this political campaign as war , and trying to arouse the primal instincts of Indo Trinis , more so hindus to support him .
It is pathetic and shameful .
But what do you care ?
Panday can say nothing wrong to your ears !


i think you are reading way too much into this. regardless of if a war was started due to someone's pride or abhimann in the Mahabarath, it still does not change the fact that abhimann is a word in the hindi language. that is all it is - A WORD.

I think the crowd saw the statement as more cultural than religious if anything at all. Whether there were hindus, muslims, christians, atheists - whatever - in the crowd, if they were of indian decent, they could identify with the word abhiman - not because of their religion, but becuase of their culture.

[Dispatcher]

Dispatcher,
Just yesterday you did not know what abhimaan meant, now today you are an expert on hindi , hindu and hinduism ?
Abhimaan in the context of the Mahabarath relates to a major war which resulted from"abhimaan ."
Panday is equating this political campaign as war , and trying to arouse the primal instincts of Indo Trinis , more so hindus to support him .
It is pathetic and shameful .
But what do you care ?
Panday can say nothing wrong to your ears !

I never claimed to be an expert on anything. I did not know what abiman meant until I read it in the Newsday yesterday. Pointing out the difference between a language and a religion is commonsense not expertise.

From what I read it came across as a man swallowing his pride in front of an audience to which he could get intimate with by using a word he knew would appeal to their base emotions.

Now you equating this with war in the Mahabharat and war in the election campaign. You real jokey yes.

I'm sure there are stories of pride in the Bible and Koran. Does that mean that when people use the word pride in English or Arabic they are making pathetic appeals to Christians or Muslims to support them.

I give up on this pontless rantings. Life is much to short for fussing and fighting over nonsensical claims

[vaio]

Dispatcher,
Just yesterday you did not know what abhimaan meant, now today you are an expert on hindi , hindu and hinduism ?
Abhimaan in the context of the Mahabarath relates to a major war which resulted from"abhimaan ."
Panday is equating this political campaign as war , and trying to arouse the primal instincts of Indo Trinis , more so hindus to support him .
It is pathetic and shameful .
But what do you care ?
Panday can say nothing wrong to your ears !

sometimes its better to not try to justify anything to a Panday supporter... they believe what they want to..

[JPersad]

Dispatcher,
Just yesterday you did not know what abhimaan meant, now today you are an expert on hindi , hindu and hinduism ?
Abhimaan in the context of the Mahabarath relates to a major war which resulted from"abhimaan ."
Panday is equating this political campaign as war , and trying to arouse the primal instincts of Indo Trinis , more so hindus to support him .
It is pathetic and shameful .
But what do you care ?
Panday can say nothing wrong to your ears !

sometimes its better to not try to justify anything to a Panday supporter... they believe what they want to..

Point well taken !
However they are fighting a Propaganda War in here and elsewhere .
So instead of disregarding them , I will take them to task .
Dispatcher have given up .... then my job on this thread is done ! :D