Ah fedup now. Declare a state of emergency.

[bigzack]

Spurred on by the black power protests occurring all over America, and the student unrest at Sir George Williams University, the National Joint Action Committee (NJAC), led by Geddes Granger, now known as Makandal Dagga, and a few labor union leaders, agitated for change in Trinidad and Tobago.

With every march, the crowds increased. The black power movement had hit Trinbago with full force. Geddes Granger, Dave Darbreau, Clive Nunez and other agitators had not killed anyone, raped anyone, mugged anyone. Yet, on or about April 21st 1970, the government saw it fit to declare a state of emergency. They immediately arrested the entire leadership of the Black power movement in Trinbago. They kept them locked up on sedition charges. This action broke the back of the movement.

Today, Trinidad and Tobago is facing a situation that, for the ordinary citizen, is 100 times worse than the perceived “crimes” of a few fellas wearing dashikis and sporting afros, marching and shouting, “Black Power”.

Just like the Special Branch back then knew about Geddes Granger and Clive Nunez, they know about the criminals that are holding Trinidad and Tobago hostage.

Why can’t the government in Trinidad and Tobago declare a state of emergency? Once this is done, they should lock up every known criminal and their associates. Keep them locked up until the crime rate goes back down to a manageable level, or until people could walk the road in peace, which ever comes first.

[Huma]

As an aside, Police still clandestinely attend and take notes during Emancipation functions held by people like Kambon.

[bigzack]

As an aside, Police still clandestinely attend and take notes during Emancipation functions held by people like Kambon.

Of course they still do it. They are very much afraid that a bunch of washed up revolutionaries will upset the status quo in Trinbago, while they allow petty criminals to frig up the whole country.

And these little a$$holes running around with gun ain't even have belly like the criminals of old in Trinidad.

Ah talking about fellas like Samuel Jacob. They used to call him "Black Sam". He was one bad indian. Boysie Singh, the Poolools, Dalip Singh, Dill Dill, Ghost, Elmos; them was real bad men, not these little pissing tail fellas from Shantytown and Laventille.

Them real long time badjohns used to respect older people, women, police, teachers etc.

[Sirius]

2008 is not 1970. You describe a situation of almost 40 years ago that has almost no similarities to what is happening now.

A state of emergency will negatively impact our international standing even more than the current crime situation has. It will affect our economy which will in turn lead to social suffering, and this does not take into consideration the psychological impact it will have on the populace. It is like an announcement to the masses that the nation is on the brink of collapse.

Tell me, what exactly is a state of emergency going to do for us? How long and to what extent will this state of emergency be executed?

Is a curfew going to be imposed? This will seriously impact national productivity leading to reduced revenues which in turn results in job losses, lower GDP, which results in lower government spending, which reduces private expenditure and in light of the current economic downfall abroad will certainly take us not into a recession but into a depression.

Do you want to impose martial law? Are you prepared to give up your civil liberties?

Is it just a time called a state of emergency to rile up some voices? Because congrats, you would have just flushed away the years upon years of hard work that went into taking us out of being a sugar cane isle.

[greall]

2008 is not 1970. You describe a situation of almost 40 years ago that has almost no similarities to what is happening now.

A state of emergency will negatively impact our international standing even more than the current crime situation has. It will affect our economy which will in turn lead to social suffering, and this does not take into consideration the psychological impact it will have on the populace. It is like an announcement to the masses that the nation is on the brink of collapse.

Tell me, what exactly is a state of emergency going to do for us? How long and to what extent will this state of emergency be executed?

Is a curfew going to be imposed? This will seriously impact national productivity leading to reduced revenues which in turn results in job losses, lower GDP, which results in lower government spending, which reduces private expenditure and in light of the current economic downfall abroad will certainly take us not into a recession but into a depression.

Do you want to impose martial law? Are you prepared to give up your civil liberties?

Is it just a time called a state of emergency to rile up some voices? Because congrats, you would have just flushed away the years upon years of hard work that went into taking us out of being a sugar cane isle.

Well said,man...well said

Greg

[bigzack]

2008 is not 1970. You describe a situation of almost 40 years ago that has almost no similarities to what is happening now.

You are right. And I did acknowledge that fact in this statement:


Today, Trinidad and Tobago is facing a situation that, for the ordinary citizen, is 100 times worse than the perceived “crimes” of a few fellas wearing dashikis and sporting afros, marching and shouting, “Black Power”.

Things are 100 times worse than in 1970. Now is no time for a UWI\George Mason\Sociological\Psychological\Mastroski\Academi c solution to this crime problem that we are having in Trinidad and Tobago. The criminals are terrorists. They are terrorizing the country. Apparently, some of us would rather send 100 criminologists, child psychologists, economists, international trade experts, and other academicians into Shanty Town to fight crime, instead of 10 heavy handed police officers.


A state of emergency will negatively impact our international standing even more than the current crime situation has. It will affect our economy which will in turn lead to social suffering, and this does not take into consideration the psychological impact it will have on the populace. It is like an announcement to the masses that the nation is on the brink of collapse.

The only thing a state of emergency will do is tell the world that we have tried everything to arrest our crime situation and it did not work, so we are admitting failure, and finally getting serious about crime. The only industry that will be affected by a state of emergency is the “criminal industry” in Trinbago. Investors invest in Iraq and they have a war going on. A little state of emergency will not deter investors from coming here for some petro blue notes. If you have ever lived through a state of emergency, business goes on as usual, except for the “criminal business”.


Tell me, what exactly is a state of emergency going to do for us? How long and to what extent will this state of emergency be executed?

A state of emergency will declare to criminals that if you are engaged in criminal activity, and the authorities have solid intelligence that you are engaged in criminal activity, that threatens our law abiding citizens' right to the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness, you will be locked up without a trial, until such time that the authorities determine that the crime situation is under control. This will send a message to criminals and prospective criminals, that it will be no longer cool to be a criminal.


Is a curfew going to be imposed?

No. A curfew will not be imposed. We could declare a state of emergency without imposing a curfew. In fact, the curfew during the 1970 state of emergency ended long before the state of emergency ended in 1972.


This will seriously impact national productivity leading to reduced revenues which in turn results in job losses, lower GDP, which results in lower government spending, which reduces private expenditure and in light of the current economic downfall abroad will certainly take us not into a recession but into a depression.

Since law abiding citizens who contribute to the GDP will be going about their business as usual, your above point is moot.


Do you want to impose martial law? Are you prepared to give up your civil liberties?

A state of emergency does not necessarily mean martial law. I am prepared to give up my civil liberties if it means that my safety will be guaranteed. Right now in Trinbago we have already given up our civil liberties to the criminals. I would rather give up my civil liberties to the police than the criminals.


Is it just a time called a state of emergency to rile up some voices? Because congrats, you would have just flushed away the years upon years of hard work that went into taking us out of being a sugar cane isle.

Anyone that lives in the United States has been living under a continuous state of emergency since September 2008. Some of them come here and criticize T&T all day, and they don’t even know that. I ain’t see America reduced to a sugar cane isle as yet. But doh leh mih talk too quick.

[Sirius]

Things are 100 times worse than in 1970. Now is no time for a UWI\George Mason\Sociological\Psychological\Mastroski\Academi c solution to this crime problem that we are having in Trinidad and Tobago. The criminals are terrorists. They are terrorizing the country. Apparently, some of us would rather send 100 criminologists, child psychologists, economists, international trade experts, and other academicians into Shanty Town to fight crime, instead of 10 heavy handed police officers.
Wait, did you just say that now is no time for a sociological or psychological solution? You do realize that without taking those very measures all you're doing is beating down the current criminals while the next generation of criminals is bred. Right? People turn to a life of crime because of psychological and sociological factors so don't pretend that we don't need to examine those aspects as high priority. Now is the time for a long term systematic fix - not a knee jerk.

This of course has no bearing on whether or not you can send heavy handed police officers into crime ridden zones. Go right ahead and do that but don't discount the rest of the required measures. And the best part? No state of emergency is needed for either one.


The only thing a state of emergency will do is tell the world that we have tried everything to arrest our crime situation and it did not work, so we are admitting failure, and finally getting serious about crime. The only industry that will be affected by a state of emergency is the “criminal industry” in Trinbago. Investors invest in Iraq and they have a war going on. A little state of emergency will not deter investors from coming here for some petro blue notes. If you have ever lived through a state of emergency, business goes on as usual, except for the “criminal business”.
So you do in fact want a declaration that the criminals have won? Nice one man. If the authorities intend to get serious then I expect them to do their job to the best of their abilities without negatively impacting on the lives of the average citizen. I'm amazed by your arguments here. You're talking about investors in Iraq? Investors are in Iraq because there is substantial money to be made off rebuilding that country's war-torn infrastructure and getting a slice of the oil wealth.

More than that, the in our case we are trying to attract investors outside of the oil sector. We want to - need to - diversify! We don't need a state of emergency stamped on our international standing. And I don't know about the states of emergency you have lived through in T&T but the last two times that I was alive for, the Speaker of the House of Representatives was removed shortly after which that government lost the election, and the time before that one needed a police escort to get home after dark because Bakr and his fellows were in the midst of attempting a coup d'etat that resulted in loss of life and millions of dollars in damage.


A state of emergency will declare to criminals that if you are engaged in criminal activity, and the authorities have solid intelligence that you are engaged in criminal activity, that threatens our law abiding citizens' right to the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness, you will be locked up without a trial, until such time that the authorities determine that the crime situation is under control. This will send a message to criminals and prospective criminals, that it will be no longer cool to be a criminal.
Now since you're so up to date on the crime situation you should of course be aware of the numerous instances where crimes were perpetrated by individuals posing as police and regiment officers. You of course are so willing to protect liberty that you are willing to give up the right to refuse entry to your home without a warrant.

Yeah man, the real hardcore criminals will have a field day. Everyone else is going to suffer. Nice job. If you want to send a message that it is no longer "cool" to be a criminal, then you need to spend some time and money on those sociological approaches you don't seem to want.


No. A curfew will not be imposed. We could declare a state of emergency without imposing a curfew. In fact, the curfew during the 1970 state of emergency ended long before the state of emergency ended in 1972.
Okay great. No curfew. So...how are we going to crack down on criminals again? I thought this state of emergency was to deal with the crime situation? Doesn't seem to make much sense if people are still free to go where they want when they want.


Since law abiding citizens who contribute to the GDP will be going about their business as usual, your above point is moot.
How are they going to do their business as usual in the middle of a state of emergency bigzack? I'm beginning to wonder if you know what a state of emergency is used for and what it involves or if you're just trying to defend something that got blurted out in a moment of frustration. Let's continue...


A state of emergency does not necessarily mean martial law. I am prepared to give up my civil liberties if it means that my safety will be guaranteed. Right now in Trinbago we have already given up our civil liberties to the criminals. I would rather give up my civil liberties to the police than the criminals.
Let me enlighten you for a moment. A state of emergency is a state where the government and often the armed forces are given heightened powers in exchange for loss of liberties by the populace. It is typically used in a natural disaster or in a time of war or unrest. Remember what I said before about allowing authorities into your home without a warrant? Are you willing to permit someone who you can only believe to be an actual police or regiment officer following a well executed investigation to carry off yourself or your loved ones under the pretense of being locked up indefinitely without a trial?


Anyone that lives in the United States has been living under a continuous state of emergency since September 2008. Some of them come here and criticize T&T all day, and they don’t even know that. I ain’t see America reduced to a sugar cane isle as yet. But doh leh mih talk too quick.
This sounds like something you took off Wikipedia. I did actually stumble across the same article and it is interesting to note in the explanation that the USA is not in a true state of emergency but under an executive order to target certain terror activities and embargoes. That aside, the USA is one of the largest and most influential nations on the planet, able to declare such a state without too much consequence. It is interesting however to note that people often protest the loss of their civil liberties in the USA and that the USA's economy is currently flushing down the toilet and taking much of the world with it. I would avoid that example if I were you.

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bigzack, what we need is increased police raids, better investigative techniques, better training and a more efficient and functional judicial service working in conjunction with social efforts to rid society of the facets of life that encourage individuals to turn to a life of crime. A state of emergency is not required for any of this and seems very counterproductive.

Don't tell me that a state of emergency is needed to say that you have solid intelligence on criminal activity and will be locked up without a trial. What IS that? How exactly will a state of emergency give solid intelligence on criminal activities as opposed to not having one? Is a declaration going to suddenly make our criminal investigators smarter? And, how can you possibly, possibly talk about "pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness" while stating that someone can be locked up without a trial?

If that is your rationale for a state of emergency then you really need to come better than that.

[bigzack]

Sirius, the quote below is from the Trinidad and Tobago constitution:


Rights can also be suspended or taken away for a short time during a State of Emergency. The government can only call a State of Emergency when:

• The security of the country is threatened by war.

• There is a public emergency as a result of an earthquake, hurricane, flood, fire, and outbreak of pestilence, infectious disease or other calamity.

• If public safety is endangered or about to be endangered, or a large part of the community is deprived of supplies or services essential to life.

Public safety is being endangered all over the place. From today's Newsday:


Robbed twice on same day
Tuesday, October 28 2008

A PRINCES Town man was robbed twice on the same day while trying to make his way home.

According to police reports, Mano Churkoo, 26, was walking along the road in St Julien Village Princes Town, at about 8.30 pm on Saturday, when he was approached by a man armed with a gun.

Churkoo and the man struggled before the man robbed him of his gold chain valued $7,000. Churkoo made a report to the Princes Town Police Station and hours later he was again robbed on High Street in Princes Town. This time, Churkoo and a friend were held up by three men who made off with two gold rings worth $1,500, a gold wrist band valued $2,000 and a gold chain worth $4,000.

He might as well wear a T-Shirt saying, "Rob mih, nah man".


Wait, did you just say that now is no time for a sociological or psychological solution? You do realize that without taking those very measures all you're doing is beating down the current criminals while the next generation of criminals is bred. Right?

The next generation of criminals will only become the criminals of their era when they see that the present generation of criminals are getting away with their crimes, wear the latest brands, and get the prettiest girls.


People turn to a life of crime because of psychological and sociological factors so don't pretend that we don't need to examine those aspects as high priority. Now is the time for a long term systematic fix - not a knee jerk.

No. People turn to a life of crime because they are lazy, wutless, and can get away with it. If it was because of psychological and sociological factors, then apparently Trinidad and Tobago had few psychological and sociological problems back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Also, it seems like psychologists and sociologists had better leave St.Vincent and Grenada and head to Trinidad and Jamaica.


So you do in fact want a declaration that the criminals have won? Nice one man.

Yes. We have to admit that the criminals have won the first battle. However, we need to let them know that we are re-arming and coming back to win the war. In the end, it does not matter who scores the first goal, only who won the match.


If the authorities intend to get serious then I expect them to do their job to the best of their abilities without negatively impacting on the lives of the average citizen. I'm amazed by your arguments here. You're talking about investors in Iraq? Investors are in Iraq because there is substantial money to be made off rebuilding that country's war-torn infrastructure and getting a slice of the oil wealth.

I have got news for you Sirius. We also have an infrastructure to build if vision 2020 is to become a reality. We also are bathing in oil money.


More than that, the in our case we are trying to attract investors outside of the oil sector. We want to - need to - diversify! We don't need a state of emergency stamped on our international standing.

The 1970 state of emergency didn’t distract investors. Our economy suffered a little. Inflation went sky high. However, Barclays Bank didn’t run away. They just replaced white tellers with black ones. The Country Club in Maraval opened up to black people. But investors did not shy away from T&T.


And I don't know about the states of emergency you have lived through in T&T but the last two times that I was alive for, the Speaker of the House of Representatives was removed shortly after which that government lost the election, and the time before that one needed a police escort to get home after dark because Bakr and his fellows were in the midst of attempting a coup d'etat that resulted in loss of life and millions of dollars in damage.

I was only around for the one in 1970. Once the curfew was lifted, people went about their business as usual. They didn't even know that the country was still under a state of emergency.


Now since you're so up to date on the crime situation you should of course be aware of the numerous instances where crimes were perpetrated by individuals posing as police and regiment officers. You of course are so willing to protect liberty that you are willing to give up the right to refuse entry to your home without a warrant.

I don’t think that the police and regiment impersonations are as numerous as you state. Police already enter people homes without warrants. They get an old search warrant from the station and read it to you. If they find anything then they go and get their justice of the peace friend to backdate a warrant bearing your address. Don’t ask me how I know this.


Yeah man, the real hardcore criminals will have a field day. Everyone else is going to suffer. Nice job. If you want to send a message that it is no longer "cool" to be a criminal, then you need to spend some time and money on those sociological approaches you don't seem to want.

I might have given the impression that I don’t want the sociological approach, but that is not so. I just want more money spent on the enforcement approach. Crime in T&T is mostly because of “wutlessness”, not sociological problems.

[discipuli]

I agree that something must be done , but a state of emergency isn'tthe best idea perhaps.

I don't trust the currant administration with any more power than it already has , and i'm sure that for every 10 criminals we throw in jail , some innocent bystander will be incarcerated with them , and be subject to some level of harm ranging from police brutality to jail rape.

Our national security ministry and police comissioner are too incompetent to deal with the crime situation , even with unlimited powers to arrest suspected criminals.

Also political bias plays a large role , I don't think enough pressure would be put on PNM strongholds that also tend to be crime hot spots, the level of brutality that may take place could loose them the next election.
Funny thing is ,i'd also imagine the majority of criminals are also PNM supporters, like the 'community leaders' manning dines.

Also i think it will only be a temporary solution that could have unforseen consequences, i forsee shootouts between the police and criminals bearing automatic weapons , with the potential for large scale damage to innocent lives.

And lastly , even if we arrested every criminal tomorrow ,the social and economic realities that bred them still exist , and more crime will arrive at our doorstep eventually .

[bigzack]

I don't trust the currant administration with any more power than it already has , and i'm sure that for every 10 criminals we throw in jail , some innocent bystander will be incarcerated with them , and be subject to some level of harm ranging from police brutality to jail rape.

In every war there is collateral damage. As it stands now, little Miss Monderoy was also an innocent bystander. She will be buried sometime this week. Meanwhile we continue to bury our heads in the sand and come up with all sort of reasons why something would not work, as opposed to proposing something that would work.

I am sure that little Miss Monderay's parents would rather that she was "innocently incarcerated" than "innocently dead".

Meanwhile, the gunman who allegedly killed her has several charges pending before the court. Under a state of emergency, he would have been sleeping on the same mattress that Makandal Daaga slept on many years ago.


Our national security ministry and police comissioner are too incompetent to deal with the crime situation , even with unlimited powers to arrest suspected criminals.

I don't know about that. I haven't seen their latest performance reviews.


Also political bias plays a large role , I don't think enough pressure would be put on PNM strongholds that also tend to be crime hot spots, the level of brutality that may take place could loose them the next election.

I agree with you here because I have seen it happen before. However, there may be enough rogue elements in the police and regiment who may see country first, as opposed to party first.


Also i think it will only be a temporary solution that could have unforseen consequences, i forsee shootouts between the police and criminals bearing automatic weapons , with the potential for large scale damage to innocent lives.

Okay so let's do nothing. Sit back and enjoy your rum and roti. I have been frequenting Brooklyn, New York for the past 26 years. I have seen the transformation in New York city. Guiliani did it without large scale shootouts between the police and criminals.

The average Trini criminal is a coward. Trust me, Trini criminals ain't want nutten with the police and regiment. Ask the former bad boys, now living their lives as choir boys, of Patna Village, Diego Martin.


And lastly , even if we arrested every criminal tomorrow ,the social and economic realities that bred them still exist , and more crime will arrive at our doorstep eventually .

I have seen no one answer me this question. So let me ask it again.

If social and economic realities in Trinidad and Tobago breed these massive amount of criminals we have, do the same social and economic realities exist in St.Vincent, Grenada, and Barbados? If so? How come these countries do not have the level of crime that we have in T&T?

And here is a follow up question. Did these social and economic realities exist when our parents and grandparents were growing up in T&T? If not? Where the hell did they suddenly come from?

Hopefully I may get some answers now.

[bigzack]

Ah hah tuh pull this one out from the archives.

[snowbird]

An here I come on dis ched cus ah tort yuh sayin......

"Ah fed up wid de SOE" ...it eh achieven nuttin long term....an is time tuh end it.


chuuuups..... I gorn

[bigzack]

An here I come on dis ched cus ah tort yuh sayin......

"Ah fed up wid de SOE" ...it eh achieven nuttin long term....an is time tuh end it.


chuuuups..... I gorn


Okay Miss Cleo.

How you know that it cannot achieve nutten long term?

[shield_2006]

If social and economic realities in Trinidad and Tobago breed these massive amount of criminals we have, do the same social and economic realities exist in St.Vincent, Grenada, and Barbados? If so? How come these countries do not have the level of crime that we have in T&T?

And here is a follow up question. Did these social and economic realities exist when our parents and grandparents were growing up in T&T? If not? Where the hell did they suddenly come from?

I think the mere fact that you ask this question is some acknowledgement that you recognise there are differences.

But to answer the question will take a whole lot of writing that I jes eh in the mood for.

[bigzack]

I think the mere fact that you ask this question is some acknowledgement that you recognise there are differences.

But to answer the question will take a whole lot of writing that I jes eh in the mood for.

Of course there are differences in time, eras, epochs, music, mores, and other variables.

But any excuse that yuh come up with for explaining the amount ah criminality that existed before the SoE, and may yet again exist after the SoE, will never explain why two brothers could grow up in the same house, and under the same conditions, yet one come out ah doctor, and the next one come out ah big, bushy tailed mongoose.

[dancerboy]

2008 is not 1970. You describe a situation of almost 40 years ago that has almost no similarities to what is happening now.

A state of emergency will negatively impact our international standing even more than the current crime situation has. It will affect our economy which will in turn lead to social suffering, and this does not take into consideration the psychological impact it will have on the populace. It is like an announcement to the masses that the nation is on the brink of collapse.

Tell me, what exactly is a state of emergency going to do for us? How long and to what extent will this state of emergency be executed?

Is a curfew going to be imposed? This will seriously impact national productivity leading to reduced revenues which in turn results in job losses, lower GDP, which results in lower government spending, which reduces private expenditure and in light of the current economic downfall abroad will certainly take us not into a recession but into a depression.

Do you want to impose martial law? Are you prepared to give up your civil liberties?

Is it just a time called a state of emergency to rile up some voices? Because congrats, you would have just flushed away the years upon years of hard work that went into taking us out of being a sugar cane isle.


SIRIUS my determined friend, do you still hold these views ?



DANCERBOY

[Sirius]

SIRIUS my determined friend, do you still hold these views ?



DANCERBOY

Yes.

[bigzack]

Well if we take Sirius siriusly....


Because congrats, you would have just flushed away the years upon years of hard work that went into taking us out of being a sugar cane isle.

Is back tuh sugar cane isle fuh we backside.

"Sweet...sweet...T&T, Lord how ah love up mih country".

[Sirius]

Well if we take Sirius siriusly....



Is back tuh sugar cane isle fuh we backside.

"Sweet...sweet...T&T, Lord how ah love up mih country".

Maybe i should correct that statement; having been made three years ago and all. With our civil liberties taken away, we were better off as a sugar cane isle.

The population's cheering acceptance to this SoE is nothing short of a depiction of how undeserving we are of liberty. The slaves may have been emancipated but mental slavery is alive and well. I make no apologies nor explanation for that statement. It should be obvious.

[edyle]

Maybe i should correct that statement; having been made three years ago and all. With our civil liberties taken away, we were better off as a sugar cane isle.

The population's cheering acceptance to this SoE is nothing short of a depiction of how undeserving we are of liberty. The slaves may have been emancipated but mental slavery is alive and well. I make no apologies nor explanation for that statement. It should be obvious.

An agricultural base is very very .... whats the word.... it has a tremendous relationship to the kind of society one ends up with. An independent country where labour and work are valued; villages as opposed to ghettos.

But not a cash crop system, a food agriculture base.

[bigzack]

Maybe i should correct that statement; having been made three years ago and all. With our civil liberties taken away, we were better off as a sugar cane isle.


Well yuh cyar say that ah didn't warn allyuh that yuh PP party will be taking we back tuh the canefields.

Which reminds me, yuh know how much nice cane used tuh grow on that spot wey Kamla build the Pepto Bismal Castle dong dey in Philipine.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-08-18-3-1A_pm_kamla_relaxing_home_2-_17.jpg

[Sirius]

An agricultural base is very very .... whats the word.... it has a tremendous relationship to the kind of society one ends up with. An independent country where labour and work are valued; villages as opposed to ghettos.

But not a cash crop system, a food agriculture base.

A sound agricultural sector is vital for a nation to be self sufficient but it should never, ever be the main focus of any developing or developed economy. Not in a world of innovation. Farm enough to feed the population and let the people put their energies into other efforts of their choosing...it is clear that few people have any desire to live their lives working the soil, and why should they?


Well yuh cyar say that ah didn't warn allyuh that yuh PP party will be taking we back tuh the canefields.

Which reminds me, yuh know how much nice cane used tuh grow on that spot wey Kamla build the Pepto Bismal Castle dong dey in Philipine.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-08-18-3-1A_pm_kamla_relaxing_home_2-_17.jpg

The Pepto Bismol Castle is a private residence; the Caroni lands were vast expanses of state owned arable land that have been going to waste for years while our food import bills skyrocketed. Do you really want to go down this road?

[snowbird]

If social and economic realities in Trinidad and Tobago breed these massive amount of criminals we have, do the same social and economic realities exist in St.Vincent, Grenada, and Barbados? If so? How come these countries do not have the level of crime that we have in T&T?

And here is a follow up question. Did these social and economic realities exist when our parents and grandparents were growing up in T&T? If not? Where the hell did they suddenly come from?

I think the mere fact that you ask this question is some acknowledgement that you recognise there are differences.

But to answer the question will take a whole lot of writing that I jes eh in the mood for.

Not necessarily a whole lot of writing....just a few questions

Could it have anything to do with the fact that say some 50 years ago.....someone came along who preached the attitude of entitlement? Who played on the idea of victimization?

....Who forgot to mention that everything that most people had achieved to that point.... was done so by 'the sweat of thy brow?....

Did it have anything to do with the fact that the impression was created that everyone who 'had' was just gifted with it....or exploited someone else to get it?....

Did it have anything to do with the fact that regardless of if you worked hard or not....studied or not.... applied yourself or not.... achieved or not..... you were entitled to the same life everyone else had?

Would it have anything to do with the fact that we have created people whose only attitude is ......"You have it, I want it, I taking it" .... cus de man say ..."I should have mine too"

Did it have anything to do with the fact that 'material things' were promoted as the be all and the end all? and a sign that ......'you have arrived'.

Would it also have anything to do with the fact that you have masses who will make excuses for those who do not want to try.... they will blame their lack of motivation on everything from ....their heritage.... to their race... to the community the live in.... to their political affiliation....

Oh, and those same political organizations ..... all the while having a vested interest in the perpetuating these 'attitudes'.

Could it be?

(and the beat goes on)

[shield_2006]

snow---that post there demands that I recommend a world view to you---you seem fixated on two places.

[bigzack]

snow---that post there demands that I recommend a world view to you---you seem fixated on two places.

Snow talk ah real pile ah sh**t dey.

How could someone come along 50 years ago, build all them schools to educate poor people, and create an atmosphere for poor people to advance, then tell them that they entitled to things without working?

Like when Dr. Williams did tell students present that "the future of the nation lies in your book bags", Snow did either fall asleep, or the brooklax that she did eat, thinking it was chocolate, did start tuh wuk on she.

[snowbird]

A sound agricultural sector is vital for a nation to be self sufficient but it should never, ever be the main focus of any developing or developed economy. Not in a world of innovation. Farm enough to feed the population and let the people put their energies into other efforts of their choosing...it is clear that few people have any desire to live their lives working the soil, and why should they?



A nation who cannot feed itself is in deep **** (a.k.a. people bawling at the high prices or shortages of rice, flour, cooking oil et al) as these things fluctuate
...You are then at the mercy of every other food producing nation in the world... self sufficiency (or as close as possible to it)...should be the primary goal of every nation....

As to not wanting to 'work the soil'? if you continue to do it in an archaic way.... ofcourse no one will want to do it... but with today's technology and improvements in farming and agriculture.... there is no need for this industry to be as labour intensive or done as inefficiently as it was done decades ago....

but herein lies the problem..... until you have a nation who can set priorities and say put money into improving it's agricultural sector instead of ...building stadia .... performing art centers .... high rise glass towers,

until there is as much interest in laying down infrastructure to access the available farm land.... rather than in infrastructure to bring the masses into the cities ....until the people lobby for more money to the farmers (to upgrade)....than more prize money for the steel band, soca and carnival competitions..... until you people learn what your 'main focus' should be (instead of being all over the place like you are now)...you guys will be in deep ****

[snowbird]

snow---that post there demands that I recommend a world view to you---you seem fixated on two places.

please do.

Right now, I can only compare ..... a time and a place where and when it worked.... to a time and a place where and when it doesn't.

Would welcome your wider view.

[shield_2006]

snow--dahlin--I was looking for the post that you make yesterday where you delved into your egalitarian WORLD VIEW OF HOW EVERYBODY CAN IMPROVE THEMSELVES BY DINT OF HARD WORK AND EDUCATION--TO COUPLE WITH THIS THREAD--BUT i HAD TO GO TO WORK---BUT BEFORE i DID i THOUGHT i WOULD REFER YOU TO A LITTLE REALITY---WHICH HAS A STARK RESEMBLANCE TO THE LA bASSE ON THE bEETHAM hIGHWAY---AND TO REMIND YOU THAT HUMAN EXPLOITATION AND CORPORATE PROFIT PURSUIT DEMAND AND EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE AVAILABLE FOR LOW PRICES.

the capitals was a mistake eh--and ah doh have time to fix it.

I am attaching a video which will lead you to many others which I HIGHLY recommend for your investigation.

Maybe you right --we can all improve ourselves by the effort of hard work and education---maybe?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZey9GJQP0

[bigzack]

the Caroni lands were vast expanses of state owned arable land that have been going to waste for years while our food import bills skyrocketed. Do you really want to go down this road?

Not only ah going dong the road, ah goh take you with me too.

The fact that vast expanses of state owned arable land went to waste for years while our food import bills skyrocketed may not be due to the fact that various governments in our "DEMOCRACY" did not try their hardest to ensure that we grow our own food, and consume what we grew. I highlighted the word DEMOCRACY, because the government could not force people to do what they did not want to do.

Let mih tell yuh something Sirius, and I ent telling yuh what nobody tell me, or what I read. I will recall from my seldom flawed memory what I knew and observed.

Back in the 60s, right after we became independent, the government (the same PNM government that never do nutten fuh we) had a program to encourage us to grow, buy, and eat "we own thing".

They had the machinery in place to

1. Manufacture
2. Distribute
3. Consume

The food that we grew for our ownselves.

MANUFACTURE:

The Ministry of Agriculture, Lands, and Fisheries (as it was known back then) invested $millions in subsidies to small farmers to help them produce food.
There were ample university trained, well paid, Agricultural Officers to assist farmers. Indeed, Dr. Morgan Job was one of those officers. There was also another level of Agricultural Assistants who were trained at Centeno for two (2) years, and also well paid, to go out and help these farmers.

DISTRIBUTION:

The Ministry was actively involved in helping farmers form "Co-operatives" to harvest and sell their produce to retailers. The Ministry also had a program to train people called "Co-operative Officers", who were also well paid, with nice travelling allowances, to help and advise farmers to sell their produce.

CONSUMPTION:

Older folks will tell you that we had a very vibrant, exciting, and widely dispersed program called -- "BUY LOCAL".
The government setup exhibitions all over the country and had fairs to attract and encourage the citizenry to "BUY LOCAL".

Even around carnival time the government used to hold a "BUY LOCAL" calypso competition that was massively attended and supported by people in the Grand and North Stands.

But wey we went wrong?

How do you sell local food to saga boys who rather wear Ski sweaters imported by Habibs, than nice button down shirts made by Decca from Quarry Street? Even Decca left and went to live in Boston.

How do you sell local food to a people who only used to eat apples and grapes from October to January, but moved to eating them all year round. Poor mango? Not only we horned yuh with apple and grapes, the chinee and them started encouraging we to abort yuh, so that they could add all kinda purple coloring to yuh backside.

And then the Chicken and Chips vans, forerunners of KFC, Royal Castle, and Japs, rolled into town.

We lost whatever BUY LOCAL taste we had left.

[bigzack]

A nation who cannot feed itself is in deep **** (a.k.a. people bawling at the high prices or shortages of rice, flour, cooking oil et al) as these things fluctuate
...You are then at the mercy of every other food producing nation in the world... self sufficiency (or as close as possible to it)...should be the primary goal of every nation....

As to not wanting to 'work the soil'? if you continue to do it in an archaic way.... ofcourse no one will want to do it... but with today's technology and improvements in farming and agriculture.... there is no need for this industry to be as labour intensive or done as inefficiently as it was done decades ago....

but herein lies the problem..... until you have a nation who can set priorities and say put money into improving it's agricultural sector instead of ...building stadia .... performing art centers .... high rise glass towers,

until there is as much interest in laying down infrastructure to access the available farm land.... rather than in infrastructure to bring the masses into the cities ....until the people lobby for more money to the farmers (to upgrade)....than more prize money for the steel band, soca and carnival competitions..... until you people learn what your 'main focus' should be (instead of being all over the place like you are now)...you guys will be in deep ****

Sometime yuh hah tuh just read ah bunch ah tripe, shake yuh head, and repeat the words of Jesus:

"Father forgive them, for they know not what sh*t they talketh"

Yup, mih pardner Jesus from Caracas is ah real wise fella.

[Falcon]

what is not local about Royal Castle?

stewwwwps

[bigzack]

what is not local about Royal Castle?

stewwwwps

It not cooking in ah local pot, and in ah local kitchen, by ah local housewife.....er......the kind that you like tuh see only in dey kitchen.

Besides, I don't know if Royal Castle chicken does pass through Jamaica.

[Falcon]

you does get tie up easy easy; you want people to only at sugar cake and tambran ball as fast food?
how this buy local thing works in an internet age with people travelling pell mell all over and this free choice business?

[Sirius]

This is going way off topic but say what.

@snowbird I hope your post is not intended as an objection to mine because I believe I made it pretty clear that it is vital for a nation to grow sufficient food to feed itself. There is a difference between growing enough to feed the nation and making the country a farming economy. Sorry but we're past those farming economy days.

@bigzack you want the hard truth why I and many others like me simply rarely buy local? It's because the quality sucks. Let me say it again: The quality sucks. We have a couple areas we're good at such as producing some snacks, drinks and cereals, but a lot of our production is just shabby! We live in a globalized world and there are two side effects of that. One is that there will automatically be foreign elements introduced to the country which just maybe people will develop a preference for. That's life. The other is that the competition is fierce and if our local goods don't match the quality of the big brands, well then tough.

You seem to be a little out of touch though; people love our local fruits. But let's move away from that. When the vast majority of local foods get sold on the sidewalk, plenty people won't buy. Woodford Cafe decided to move it to a more comfortable modern setting and they are making a killing. Don't blame the consumer for a lack of innovation by the seller. I don't buy Charles Chocolate because it tastes absolutely awful. I don't buy local clothes because they fit and look the way I like. Maybe, just maybe, the real reason the buy local campaigns failed is because once people got a taste of the competition they realized the competition was superior.


I brought up the Caroni issue because if any government was serious about agriculture, they would have moved Caroni from cane production to food crops. Some folk however seem to think that the only way to be self sufficient is to turn the entire economy into farming. Then we have the other bunch who feel tall buildings will fix everything. No wonder we can't progress. Oh yeah I forgot - it's the same crowds who feel calling a State of Emergency and locking people in their homes is the way to fix crime.

[bigzack]

you does get tie up easy easy; you want people to only at sugar cake and tambran ball as fast food?
how this buy local thing works in an internet age with people travelling pell mell all over and this free choice business?

That is what ah trying tuh tell yuh.

It have posters here, both ah them name start with "S".

And most times what they talking does start with "S" too.

Them feel that in Trinidad we should be able tuh grow we food, and eat we food.

We shouldn't hah tuh depend on Veggie Chicken marinated in Marijuana, coming from no container that passing through Jamaica.

Them two posters is real "S"avants.

[bigzack]

I brought up the Caroni issue because if any government was serious about agriculture, they would have moved Caroni from cane production to food crops. Some folk however seem to think that the only way to be self sufficient is to turn the entire economy into farming. Then we have the other bunch who feel tall buildings will fix everything. No wonder we can't progress. Oh yeah I forgot - it's the same crowds who feel calling a State of Emergency and locking people in their homes is the way to fix crime.

Sirius, yuh ever try tuh walk and chew gum at the same time. It come naturally to me, but try it pardner it real easy.

Yuh want the government to invest heavily in food crops in ah nation that only eating doubles in the morning and fry chicken in the evening.

Nobody ent eating tania, edoes, and dasheen no more.

I never advocated a SoE to fix crime.

I not on the fixing crime thing. I on the cut criminals arse thing.

I is ah sadist.

[Solachica]

Plenty people feel is "low class' to buy local and wud go buy all the foreign products.

[bigzack]

Plenty people feel is "low class' to buy local and wud go buy all the foreign products.

When I was growing up, plenty people used tuh feel that is low class tuh sell channa, doubles, nuts, and anything else carrying ah basket on yuh back, or sitting it on yuh lap.

[Sirius]

Sirius, yuh ever try tuh walk and chew gum at the same time. It come naturally to me, but try it pardner it real easy.

Yuh want the government to invest heavily in food crops in ah nation that only eating doubles in the morning and fry chicken in the evening.

Nobody ent eating tania, edoes, and dasheen no more.

I never advocated a SoE to fix crime.

I not on the fixing crime thing. I on the cut criminals arse thing.

I is ah sadist.

You sound heavily detached from reality. The fact is people have to eat, and yes, that means more than doubles and fry chicken. We need to produce that food for ourselves; at least as much of it as we can.

In any event - this SOE is going to result in a massive toll on our economy. How many people are going to be out of work and tempted by crime when it's all over with?

@sola while it may be true that many people view local is "low class", ask yourself what high quality products we really produce. Why would someone who can afford better buy the lower quality good? That the lower quality good is the Trini product is no fault of the consumer.

[shield_2006]

In any event - this SOE is going to result in a massive toll on our economy. How many people are going to be out of work and tempted by crime when it's all over with?

A stark reality which seems to be lost on the GOTT--and all the gleeful supporters of the SoE--buh wait--the best is yet to come.

[bigzack]

And you sound like yuh confused Betah.

So we need to produce "that" food for ourselves.


You sound heavily detached from reality. The fact is people have to eat, and yes, that means more than doubles and fry chicken. We need to produce that food for ourselves; at least as much of it as we can.

Fuh who tuh eat?


@sola while it may be true that many people view local is "low class", ask yourself what high quality products we really produce. Why would someone who can afford better buy the lower quality good? That the lower quality good is the Trini product is no fault of the consumer.

The same people goh eat the same "low quality" food?

[Sirius]

And you sound like yuh confused Betah.

So we need to produce "that" food for ourselves.



Fuh who tuh eat?



The same people goh eat the same "low quality" food?

Seriously, you SURE you could walk and chew gum at the same time? :blink

[snowbird]

snow--dahlin--I was looking for the post that you make yesterday where you delved into your egalitarian WORLD VIEW OF HOW EVERYBODY CAN IMPROVE THEMSELVES BY DINT OF HARD WORK AND EDUCATION--TO COUPLE WITH THIS THREAD--BUT i HAD TO GO TO WORK---BUT BEFORE i DID i THOUGHT i WOULD REFER YOU TO A LITTLE REALITY---WHICH HAS A STARK RESEMBLANCE TO THE LA bASSE ON THE bEETHAM hIGHWAY---AND TO REMIND YOU THAT HUMAN EXPLOITATION AND CORPORATE PROFIT PURSUIT DEMAND AND EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE AVAILABLE FOR LOW PRICES.

the capitals was a mistake eh--and ah doh have time to fix it.

I am attaching a video which will lead you to many others which I HIGHLY recommend for your investigation.

Maybe you right --we can all improve ourselves by the effort of hard work and education---maybe?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZey9GJQP0

Thanks for the video shield...... buh wat dis hav tuh do wid dem peeps who eh want tuh better demselves again?

dem in de Beetham Gardens and Lavantee.... wha? dey 'slackin' in solidarity wid de exploited of de world?

[snowbird]

Sometime yuh hah tuh just read ah bunch ah tripe, shake yuh head, and repeat the words of Jesus:

"Father forgive them, for they know not what sh*t they talketh"

Yup, mih pardner Jesus from Caracas is ah real wise fella.

Yep...I guess making a case for a nation feeding itself is .... ****

.... O.K. den..... I gud....cus I livin in ah country dat feeding itself....an not just doubles an fry chicken....


me....I rather talk ****......dan eat ****.

[miktay]

@bigzack you want the hard truth why I and many others like me simply rarely buy local? It's because the quality sucks. Let me say it again: The quality sucks. We have a couple areas we're good at such as producing some snacks, drinks and cereals, but a lot of our production is just shabby! We live in a globalized world and there are two side effects of that. One is that there will automatically be foreign elements introduced to the country which just maybe people will develop a preference for. That's life. The other is that the competition is fierce and if our local goods don't match the quality of the big brands, well then tough.

What sweet in goat mouth iz sour in the bam bam...

[letric]

Yep...I guess making a case for a nation feeding itself is .... ****

.... O.K. den..... I gud....cus I livin in ah country dat feeding itself....an not just doubles an fry chicken....


me....I rather talk ****......dan eat ****.

For most people the need to talk is a primary impulse,
and cannot help saying right off what comes to their
tongue. Now,eating? I do wish we could chat longer
but I'm going to have dinner.
:hehe:

[bigzack]

Yep...I guess making a case for a nation feeding itself is .... ****

.... O.K. den..... I gud....cus I livin in ah country dat feeding itself....an not just doubles an fry chicken....


me....I rather talk ****......dan eat ****.

Is one thing to make a case, is another thing to talk crap, as if you know that the government never tried its hardest to invest money in agriculture, to encourage the nation to feed itself.

I sure that over the years, the government spend more money on agriculture than on tall buildings and nice, swank places to go for Trinis to relieve stress.

My Trinidad government, in my country which I am so proud of, because I ent no roll on roll off Trini, was spending more money on agriculture, when Trinis were living in barrack room houses in Port-of-Spain, and conducting government business in old, run down government offices.

My Trinidad government, in my country which I am so proud of, because I ent no roll on roll off Trini, was spending more money on agriculture, when Cyanadians was looking for big, black strong Trini men tuh come and pick they pesticide infested apples, because Cyanadians was too damn lazy, drunk and weak to do it fuh themselves.

So continue.

As 3 Canal say, "Talk yuh talk, yuh latrine pretender."....or something like that.

[snowbird]

Is one thing to make a case, is another thing to talk crap, as if you know that the government never tried its hardest to invest money in agriculture, to encourage the nation to feed itself.

I sure that over the years, the government spend more money on agriculture than on tall buildings and nice, swank places to go for Trinis to relieve stress.

My Trinidad government, in my country which I am so proud of, because I ent no roll on roll off Trini, was spending more money on agriculture, when Trinis were living in barrack room houses in Port-of-Spain, and conducting government business in old, run down government offices.

My Trinidad government, in my country which I am so proud of, because I ent no roll on roll off Trini, was spending more money on agriculture, when Cyanadians was looking for big, black strong Trini men tuh come and pick they pesticide infested apples, because Cyanadians was too damn lazy, drunk and weak to do it fuh themselves.

So continue.

As 3 Canal say, "Talk yuh talk, yuh latrine pretender."....or something like that.

forget Canada man....take a lesson from Cuba.... a nation that feeds itself....an dey eh hah money tuh buy all dem pesticides dat de fus world using.... buh dey feedin dey own....dey have no choice.

Next time your government suggests that maybe T&T invest in 'Mega Farms' (like Patos did) tuh feed allyuh .....and maybe other parts of the Caribbean as well..... stop bawlin dat..... 'dey want tuh make some fat cat Syrian man richer'.... see it for what it is ..... your government trying to use 'private sector money' (instead of taxpayers) tuh feed allyuh.

there is more than one way to skin a cat.

[bigzack]

forget Canada man....take a lesson from Cuba.... a nation that feeds itself....an dey eh hah money tuh buy all dem pesticides dat de fus world using.... buh dey feedin dey own....dey have no choice.

Next time your government suggests that maybe T&T invest in 'Mega Farms' (like Patos did) tuh feed allyuh .....and maybe other parts of the Caribbean as well..... stop bawlin dat..... 'dey want tuh make some fat cat Syrian man richer'.... see it for what it is ..... your government trying to use 'private sector money' (instead of taxpayers) tuh feed allyuh.

there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Yuh see how big, macco Immortelle tree break in some people ears.

Look how ah started off mih discourse on Trinidad's government involvement in agriculture since the 60s.



The fact that vast expanses of state owned arable land went to waste for years while our food import bills skyrocketed may not be due to the fact that various governments in our "DEMOCRACY" did not try their hardest to ensure that we grow our own food, and consume what we grew. I highlighted the word DEMOCRACY, because the government could not force people to do what they did not want to do.

Ah wonder if Ishmael Khan have more crayons?

[letric]

forget Canada man....take a lesson from Cuba.... a nation that feeds itself....an dey eh hah money tuh buy all dem pesticides dat de fus world using.... buh dey feedin dey own....dey have no choice.

Next time your government suggests that maybe T&T invest in 'Mega Farms' (like Patos did) tuh feed allyuh .....and maybe other parts of the Caribbean as well..... stop bawlin dat..... 'dey want tuh make some fat cat Syrian man richer'.... see it for what it is ..... your government trying to use 'private sector money' (instead of taxpayers) tuh feed allyuh.

there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Anxiously waiting on a reply ...

[letric]

Snow talk ah real pile ah sh**t dey.

How could someone come along 50 years ago, build all them schools to educate poor people, and create an atmosphere for poor people to advance, then tell them that they entitled to things without working?

Like when Dr. Williams did tell students present that "the future of the nation lies in your book bags", Snow did either fall asleep, or the brooklax that she did eat, thinking it was chocolate, did start tuh wuk on she.
:o

[letric]

Sirius, yuh ever try tuh walk and chew gum at the same time. It come naturally to me, but try it pardner it real easy.

Yuh want the government to invest heavily in food crops in ah nation that only eating doubles in the morning and fry chicken in the evening.

Nobody ent eating tania, edoes, and dasheen no more.

I never advocated a SoE to fix crime.

I not on the fixing crime thing. I on the cut criminals arse thing.

I is ah sadist.

Are you serious, refer to admission being a sadist? If you are, it is now possible to understand, excuse,
and offer compassion for a number of comments made previously.

[bigzack]

Are you serious, refer to admission being a sadist? If you are, it is now possible to understand, excuse,
and offer compassion for a number of comments made previously.

When it comes tuh dealing with criminals, yes, I am a damn sadist.

So yuh better watch yuh tail.

It have charge fuh excessive quoting yuh know.

[letric]

When it comes tuh dealing with criminals, yes, I am a damn sadist.

So yuh better watch yuh tail.

It have charge fuh excessive quoting yuh know.


I hear you :bilnah:

[edyle]

A sound agricultural sector is vital for a nation to be self sufficient but it should never, ever be the main focus of any developing or developed economy. Not in a world of innovation. Farm enough to feed the population and let the people put their energies into other efforts of their choosing...it is clear that few people have any desire to live their lives working the soil, and why should they?

The Pepto Bismol Castle is a private residence; the Caroni lands were vast expanses of state owned arable land that have been going to waste for years while our food import bills skyrocketed. Do you really want to go down this road?

I agree totally. But further and as I have stated and intend to continue to emphasize, AGRICULTURE is a FOUNDATION of ECONOMY.

To partly use your own words, the FOUNDATION (of your house) is VITAL, but once your house is completed, one does not spend one's time focusing on the Foundation.

The point here is that we DO NOT HAVE that FOUNDATION, not that it is not the main focus. It should not be an everyday focus, except for the fact that we DO NOT HAVE the FOUNDATION.

[snowbird]

Anxiously waiting on a reply ...

It is not going to come.... in case you haven't noticed.....the goal post got shifted..... again

[bigzack]

It is not going to come.... in case you haven't noticed.....the goal post got shifted..... again

When ah team jijjirrey, they does always feel that goal post shifting.

[letric]

It is not going to come.... in case you haven't noticed.....the goal post got shifted..... again

Need to change eye-glasses...

[bigzack]

Need to change eye-glasses...

Ah think Snow need tuh change eyes.

Glasses cyar fix ah perpetually clouded vision.

[Maccogirl]

So why the Ag and the Minister of National Security not running on the TV anymore to give us updates as to how this SOE going/ We use to get them all the time daily at one point telling us how much danger they saved the nation from, all of a sudden like the SOE gone cold, not one of them want to go on camera anymore.

Are they just fed up of the SOE now, have they arrested all that they wanted to, or has the excitement worn off, not even Gibbs coming to give figures any more so what happening with these people, like T&T is really a 10 day wonder yes

[Falcon]

But you was critisisin dem when them was doing it!!

[Solachica]

You not glad you doh have to see dem anymore :s:

But who is the woman with the accent tht was talking ytday?

[Maccogirl]

You not glad you doh have to see dem anymore :s:

But who is the woman with the accent tht was talking ytday?

They are the ones that put the entire country under a SOE, they are the one that said there was clear and present danger, now they saying the danger was averted well then why do we still have a SOE?? I would love to hear what they have to say now, as for the lady with the accent I have no clue who she is, I did notice the accent guess she works in Gibbs office so she starting to speak like him.

[bigzack]

You not glad you doh have to see dem anymore :s:

But who is the woman with the accent tht was talking ytday?

Some woman with ah chinee name like Lee Asang or Lee A-Something.

They say that she is ah police communications specialist.

Like they ent like how tie tong ASP Archie did talking.

Me ent know why dey just didn't use the Lieght.

Then again, they might want tuh report that they find a boat load ah coke, and he might start tuh cry just tuh announce that.

[Solachica]

All kinda specialist :blink. Dem import she to?

[Maccogirl]

So where she come from, is she a Trini??

[bigzack]

So where she come from, is she a Trini??

Maccs gyul, me ent know wey the woman from.

She is afro Trini, and ah see she wearing ah chain with the star of david medallion.

The way that Kamla accentizing everybody in the PP, me ent know who is who and who from wey.

Me ent know who from Suphuria from who from Lavaunty.

I lorse. Ah need ah Trini accent GPS.