Ryan Say! PNM 34% - COP 30% - UNC 5%

[Parsifal]

Well the Trinidad Express Newspaper commissioned poll is out.

Here is a link - http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161218035 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161218035)

Comments anyone because I have plenty....and it starts with the word "basket".

[Maccogirl]

Why you say that Parsifal???

[JPersad]

Why you say that Parsifal???

We may be on opposing side of the fence , but neither of us will fall for a Ryan Poll .The PNM have Ryan in its back pocket .

[Parsifal]

Why you say that Parsifal???

This has to be biggest setup poll of all time. ......I mean the UNCA at 5%?......Too many people in "High" society now....too much ganja selling.

The last time he had a poll like this one was in 1991....the poll came out Sunday morning and by the night time Robbie was announcing elections.

We all know what happened with that one right?.....so hence the term "basket".....as in "taking basket".

[Sumana]

Last week Ryan was saying that UNC is coming out stronger and has shown that it's not dead and givin the parties a run for their money...

[Parsifal]

What is getting me is that the Express actually has the temerity to put the results as a 2 part feature! Jeezanages...... :lol:

I am so glad I never bought a ring after graduating from UWI....it was full of too many fools then and quite clearly it has not changed.

[Maccogirl]

Well the 5% is a bit off the wall and hard to take and even if the COP/ UNCA joins the UNCA goes down to 3% geez that is one is even funnier, he sure give a lot of numbers mixed with hog wash it is a rather confusing assessment and hard to follow, I see Manning gets a 3% to be God Chosen :D was that a question on his poll :lol: :lol:

[Parsifal]

Allyuh I am packing up and leaving TnT because it is now clear to me that the COP has 90% of the UNC base and at least 70% of the PNM.

Elections are now a waste of time.

Obviously the crowds at the UNC events are a bunch of Guyanese Indian people flown in by Jack to make the numbers look good....so they cant vote anyway. :lol:

5%......5%.....5%......allyuh sure he did not mean 25% or 35%.....not even 15%?........oh lard I could see Nirad Tewarie now. :mrgreen:

[JPersad]

Maccs ,
Looks like Jack taking the poll seriously though .
He still publicly seeking an alliance with COP .
Why it so hard for Jack to understand there will be no unity with Panday in the picture ?

[Parsifal]

Well the 5% is a bit off the wall and hard to take and even if the COP/ UNCA joins the UNCA goes down to 3% geez that is one is even funnier, he sure give a lot of numbers mixed with hog wash it is a rather confusing assessment and hard to follow, I see Manning gets a 3% to be God Chosen :D was that a question on his poll :lol: :lol:

The poll was "divinely" inspired!....so of course that must be a question to ask....but eh eh!

All of Sat's prayers at Radio Jaagrati have paid off.

I don't understand his logic that the UNA and COP numbers will both go up now since all talk of unity is off the table. That one blows my mind completely since it is surely counterintuitive.

21 gun salute anyone?

[JPersad]

What Ryan drinking ? :roll:

[Maccogirl]

Even that article was wrong Jack said nomination day has passed, but anything can happen in the run up to election Jack never said he is leaving the door open, the Express is clearly on some kind of mission, I wish them luck maybe its the UNCA crowds they are trying to reduce since PNM did bring their maxi loads to Central, this Poll was mentioned tonight by Jack at the UNCA meeting in Freeport you know what happened the crowd started to get very angry with the reporters there covering the meeting it was jack who had to tell them dont blame those fellas its not them that is responsible for this its the management.

I hope these hidden people know what they are doing JP they are going to turn this election into a nasty fight they better stop this kind of nonsense and fast.

[Parsifal]

What Ryan drinking ? :roll:

I told you guys already...."Ganja Tea"

The sample of 1,000+ people was clearly taken from the La Riviera or La Fontaine Towers down in Westmoorings......because that is the only place that the COP could ever poll so close to the PNM with the UNCA that far behind.

[Maccogirl]

Ryan even added COP 30% to UNCA 5% if they came together and he ended up with 26% against the PNM 32 % :roll: :D :D

[Parsifal]

Ryan even added COP 30% to UNCA 5% if they came together and he ended up with 26% against the PNM 32 % :roll: :D :D

You know something MG....that was the only part of his reasoning that I agreed with.

I have been thinking for a while now that a merger of the UNCA and the COP will be less than the sum its parts.

I base this on that a lot of the COP support is based on "anybody but Panday, Jack or Ramesh". So that if they joined, which would be the same as if the UNC had never split in the first place, then any additional support that Dookeran would have garnered would disappear.

[Dispatcher]

If Express had any decency their article would have been an analysis Ryan's Poll showing how it clearly does not reflect the actual consensus of the people. And discredit his findings. Any average joe can see right through this as a gimmick to mobolise COP supporters give them confidence and hence further increase PNM's majority in parliament. This is obviously a play at initiating a bandwagon effect to help COP bounce back.

The article reads: "The public should, however, be beware of pollsters who hide bad news or who use data in a partisan manner to game the election"

Need we say more about this pollster?

But to run this with the headline that PNM and COP are Neck & Neck as some kind of fact is very deceitful. And worse yet they have no shame they coming with a part 2.

[Scorpio]

We don't need Ryan's poll. we have our own ttol poll, remember ?

[Dispatcher]

Maybe we should do a new sampling of the community since most forumites voted before the campaigns really got started. Though I'm not sure how good a cross section of the population we here make.

[citizen]

The last time I corresponded with a pollster, he was not apologetic for his lack of understanding of concepts in probability and statistics beyond the rudimentary principles. Based on the recent "polls", I can assure you that the results are grossly unacceptable.

The poll should strive to be simultaneously accurate, enlightening and informative. Indeed, if properly designed, it will expose the myths and exhibit the realities of some of the fundamental underlying mathematical and scientific principles, which are of paramount importance when designing surveys to uncover the truth and to present a realistic snapshot of the voting profile of a population.

First, there is the absolute requirement of sample representativeness in polls to obtain valid and robust conclusions. Second, it is important to use an adequate sample size in order to reduce the margin of error (the degree to which the results can be considered accurate). Third, one has to question the plausibility of the mechanical aspects of the poll with a healthy dose of skepticism. Fourth, you have to add the concept of "construct validity" is so far as you must highlight the caveat that the questions must be properly designed and answered. In doing so you will uncover an essential truth about surveys, and one that is often not stated: The answers you obtain depend on the questions you ask and how you ask them.

Of particular note, when conducting a poll in a heterogeneous society like Trinidad, the sample must be weighted to accurately reflect the demographic realities of the country. This exposes the fatal flaw that damages the credibility of most of the recent polls conducted in Trinidad, both governmental and non-governmental.

Once again, only with wit and wisdom, coupled with clarity of thought and clarity of expression, will we be able to inform the Trinidad and Tobago public that we should accept the findings of these polls with a grain (or perhaps a kilogram) of salt.

[cm103]

Ryan even added COP 30% to UNCA 5% if they came together and he ended up with 26% against the PNM 32 % :roll: :D :D

You know something MG....that was the only part of his reasoning that I agreed with.

I have been thinking for a while now that a merger of the UNCA and the COP will be less than the sum its parts.

I base this on that a lot of the COP support is based on "anybody but Panday, Jack or Ramesh". So that if they joined, which would be the same as if the UNC had never split in the first place, then any additional support that Dookeran would have garnered would disappear.

Thank you. Someone else sees what I've been trying to explain to some people for a while now.

[vaio]

i agree, a lot of ppl feel that way, even me :)

[nikkidan]

is this the same selwyn ryan who in a column in 1995 said that we would never see a Prime Minister of East Indian Descent until the year 2012?

he lost credibility a long time ago, when you are a closet *insert party here* masquerading as objective, I have less respect for that type than the open syncophant. at least yuh know where they coming from. People like ryan dangerous.

[peanut]

Maybe we should do a new sampling of the community since most forumites voted before the campaigns really got started. Though I'm not sure how good a cross section of the population we here make.


A lot of the forumites here myself included live abroad, but unlike me I don't how many others are registered to vote in this election and are in the process of moving back to T&T.

[cm103]

I would tend to agree that this poll might be skewed or really too based on COP areas to really be taken at face value. However, there were UNC supporters quoting Ryan when he was saying the UNC is a force to be reckoned with due to the turnout at Midcenter. Why discredit the man now when he doesn't go your way?

[peanut]

I would tend to agree that this poll might be skewed or really too based on COP areas to really be taken at face value. However, there were UNC supporters quoting Ryan when he was saying the UNC is a force to be reckoned with due to the turnout at Midcenter. Why discredit the man now when he doesn't go your way?


O gosh girl, Patrick Manning told me a long time ago, "do not believe everything you read in the Newspapers and if you are so inclined to believe it, take it with a pund of salt" if you know Selwyn Ryan,and if he tell you to run ...stand up! and the day he tell yuh to stand up .. RUN like the devil is after you. That goes for Morgan Job too eh :lol: :lol: :lol:

[nikkidan]

I would tend to agree that this poll might be skewed or really too based on COP areas to really be taken at face value. However, there were UNC supporters quoting Ryan when he was saying the UNC is a force to be reckoned with due to the turnout at Midcenter. Why discredit the man now when he doesn't go your way?

I think people not taking into consideration the time when this poll was conduted..notwithstanding i just read a very interesting part of the poll...


In order to find out how people react to the Manning personality, respondents were asked to indicate how they felt, deep down, about Mr Manning. On the positive side were four options, competent, caring, visionary and God-chosen. On the negative side there were five options, fool, poor as a leader, power hungry, stubborn, and mentally unbalanced. Respondents were given two choices. In their first choice 16 per cent of the sample deemed him "competent", eight per cent "caring", ten per cent saw him as being "visionary", and two per cent considered him "God-chosen". The aggregate of these positive depictions was 36 per cent.

On the other face of the coin, eight per cent saw him as being "power-hungry", 15 per cent as being "stubborn", 11 per cent "foolish", four per cent "mentally unbalanced", and 15 per cent a "poor leader". The cumulative percentage on the negative side was 55 per cent. Twelve per cent avoided giving an answer.

and well express did a not so subtle disclaimer...i think this will pass over people's heads too :lol:


Pollsters, like weather forecasters and doctors, make genuine diagnostic errors. The public should, however, be beware of pollsters who hide bad news or

who use data in a partisan manner to game the election. We must always remember that polls do not predict elections, pollsters do. As in any profession, there are honest ones and very dishonest ones.

[Scorpio]

Maybe we should do a new sampling of the community since most forumites voted before the campaigns really got started. Though I'm not sure how good a cross section of the population we here make.


Didn't we have a "what race are you" poll on the previous board ? Let me check. brb ;)

[JPersad]

Maybe we should do a new sampling of the community since most forumites voted before the campaigns really got started. Though I'm not sure how good a cross section of the population we here make.
I agree .On both points .

[Scorpio]

Found it, for those who can access it .....

http://www.ttonline.org/poll.php?do=sho ... pollid=266 (http://www.ttonline.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=266)

[JPersad]

Found it, for those who can access it .....

http://www.ttonline.org/poll.php?do=sho ... pollid=266 (http://www.ttonline.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=266)

The Mixed and indo trinis are in the majority .
Be mindful however , that many members deliberately tries to mislead on this forum .

[Scorpio]

why would they do that, JP ?

[slayerdave]

Last week Ryan was saying that UNC is coming out stronger and has shown that it's not dead and givin the parties a run for their money...

Look at the date of the poll.........

[cm103]

Last week Ryan was saying that UNC is coming out stronger and has shown that it's not dead and givin the parties a run for their money...

Look at the date of the poll.........

Like Ramesh boy poll that came out in the guardian the morning after it was concluded?

[TheLight]

Ryan Say! PNM 34% - COP 30% - UNC 5%

The express contradict their own poll

PNM fails to impress in Central

Wednesday, October 17th 2007


The People's National Movement (PNM) presentation of candidates for Central Trinidad on Monday night failed to attract a crowd.

In what is traditionally the heartland of the United National Congress (UNC), the PNM crowd could

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161218025 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161218025)

[peanut]

Correction there Light,

That was a Selwyn Ryan's poll .. not the Express 8-)

[JPersad]

why would they do that, JP ?
Notice how brave some members could be as long as they can hide behind a pen name ?They quick to call people names and deliberately make misleading posts.
IMO , if your conviction and belief is that strong , if taken to task , you will identify yourself .

[cm103]

Ryan Say! PNM 34% - COP 30% - UNC 5%

The express contradict their own poll

PNM fails to impress in Central

Wednesday, October 17th 2007


The People's National Movement (PNM) presentation of candidates for Central Trinidad on Monday night failed to attract a crowd.

In what is traditionally the heartland of the United National Congress (UNC), the PNM crowd could

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161218025 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161218025)

I don't think any pollster will just poll one area. They're trying to get a sense of the feeling over the country.

[Maccogirl]

All this poll shows is that even if UNCA and COP were to join together they still not beating the PNM, so what is the use of all this unity nonsense, as to the 5% UNCA, so you want to tell me if 700,000 people go to the polls and voted the UNCA will only get %5 of that vote, ok what can I say :lol:

[JPersad]

All this poll shows is that even if UNCA and COP were to join together they still not beating the PNM, so what is the use of all this unity nonsense, as to the 5% UNCA, so you want to tell me if 700,000 people go to the polls and voted the UNCA will only get %5 of that vote, ok what can I say :lol:
On both points I agree with you .

[Maccogirl]

Thanks JP at least there are some things we can agree on ;)

[Acid]

Any time Ryan does a poll you should always be happy if it shows you in a negative position.

In 1991 he said NAR would retain the Government - PNM won
In 1995 he said PNM would retain Government and Manning used that to call an early election - Manning became opposition leader
In 2000 he said PNM would regain Government from the UNC - UNC won 19-17
In 2001 he said PNM would win - it was 18-18 with UNC getting the popular vote

I am sure UNC-A has more than 5% ... I think Ryan has lost a lot of credibility.

[TheLight]

All this poll shows is that even if UNCA and COP were to join together they still not beating the PNM, so what is the use of all this unity nonsense, as to the 5% UNCA, so you want to tell me if 700,000 people go to the polls and voted the UNCA will only get %5 of that vote, ok what can I say :lol:

That is about 35,000 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: not even Ryan will believe UNCA will get that little vote

[Maccogirl]

I don't know who Ryan trying to set up but who wants to buy into this poll and feel they have it in the bag feel free, I going with what I seeing on the ground and it sure as hell not a COP win or a COP neck and neck race, or as Ryan says a dead heat, I think this is a very vicious game that is being played the reasons for what I do not know but I would caution anyone that is now feeling a state of euphoria as some COP callers are feeling judging from the radio calls.

Ryan is setting up some party for a big disappointment so who want to fall for this as I said feel feer, Ryan knows what he is trying to accomplish.

[cm103]

Any time Ryan does a poll you should always be happy if it shows you in a negative position.

In 1991 he said NAR would retain the Government - PNM won
In 1995 he said PNM would retain Government and Manning used that to call an early election - Manning became opposition leader
In 2000 he said PNM would regain Government from the UNC - UNC won 19-17
In 2001 he said PNM would win - it was 18-18 with UNC getting the popular vote

I am sure UNC-A has more than 5% ... I think Ryan has lost a lot of credibility.

True, its really a sad state when you really can't trust any of the pre-election polls.

So now we have the NACTA, UWi/Ansa McAl and Ryan polls all saying different things.

[Acid]

It's probably a Yetming sponsored poll

[vaio]

well some pnm ppl was saying that ryan backing Bas.. what happened to dat?

[TheLight]

It's probably a Yetming sponsored poll

Could be... :roll: The deception continues

[Maccogirl]

It's probably a Yetming sponsored poll

Could be... :roll: The deception continues

All I can add to that is the Nirad Tewari was the personal assistant to Ken Gordon for years, so follow the trail and I am sure the truth will come out.

[JPersad]

PNM have Ryan in their back pocket.
RLM have Nacta in his back pocket ( I have been saying this before Anand Ramlogan said it )

All I can say is don't let any poll dictate to you how you should vote .
I would say , look at the issues and vote for the party which you feel best addresses them .
Whatever you do VOTE !

[vaio]

It's probably a Yetming sponsored poll

Could be... :roll: The deception continues

All I can add to that is the Nirad Tewari was the personal assistant to Ken Gordon for years, so follow the trail and I am sure the truth will come out.

So wht are you accusing Nirad of then?..Wasn't RLM the one running and holding talks with Patos and overthrow the unc gov't? What was the deception then?

[Scorpio]

why would they do that, JP ?
Notice how brave some members could be as long as they can hide behind a pen name ?They quick to call people names and deliberately make misleading posts.
IMO , if your conviction and belief is that strong , if taken to task , you will identify yourself .


I revealed my real identity to a few people on the forum who relvealed theirs to me, but I wouldn't reveal it openly to everyone.

You know TNT can be a petty place, and that is why people are fearful and hide their identities.

btw, I assume your real name is really J. Persad ? :D

[King B]

Ryan is a joke. The sad part is that these people hide behine a facade of impartiality and independence but are nothing but political whores who will do anything they are paid to do or anything that furthers their own political agenda. Professional ethics be damned.

[Maccogirl]

Look we all agree that there is something terribly wrong with this poll, unless you are so caught up in it that you agree with it. Even if all 900,000 people registered to vote comes out that would mean from this poll that the UNCA is only getting about 45000 votes, that is no where enough to not even give them one seat in any of the 16 seats they won in the last election do you really believe that??

No seat for Kamla, Bas, they all getting licks come on now. There is a reason for this poll you can dance around the subject all you want some one has a agenda to put that out there, be it the reason to fool PNM, fool COP or deflate the UNCA crowd it is out there for a reason and not just because Ryan say so. So you want to tell me all this editors in the express got this information printed and never questioned the veracity of it?

Some one in charge had to agree to let it fly it was not Ryan he does not own the express, he submits a story its approved then printed, so now that it is out there you want to tell me all these educated people in the express did not do the math and ask Ryan if he was mad or to double check his finding . Was it that the express was going with this story regardless and they only way that can happen is with instructions from the top?

Considering that the same Ryan days ago was saying the UNCA is not dead, and giving the fact that the PNM always had their base the only conclusion that anyone can come to is that this poll was put out their to breath life into the COP and no other party with the hope of deflating the UNCA crowds, that is how I see it you are free to see it any other way you wish.

[JPersad]

why would they do that, JP ?
Notice how brave some members could be as long as they can hide behind a pen name ?They quick to call people names and deliberately make misleading posts.
IMO , if your conviction and belief is that strong , if taken to task , you will identify yourself .


I revealed my real identity to a few people on the forum who relvealed theirs to me, but I wouldn't reveal it openly to everyone.

You know TNT can be a petty place, and that is why people are fearful and hide their identities.

btw, I assume your real name is really J. Persad ? :D

Jagdat Persad .
Born and raised in Felicity.

[JPersad]

Look we all agree that there is something terribly wrong with this poll, unless you are so caught up in it that you agree with it. Even if all 900,000 people registered to vote comes out that would mean from this poll that the UNCA is only getting about 45000 votes, that is no where enough to not even give them one seat in any of the 16 seats they won in the last election do you really believe that??

No seat for Kamla, Bas, they all getting licks come on now. There is a reason for this poll you can dance around the subject all you want some one has a agenda to put that out there, be it the reason to fool PNM, fool COP or deflate the UNCA crowd it is out there for a reason and not just because Ryan say so. So you want to tell me all this editors in the express got this information printed and never questioned the veracity of it?

Some one in charge had to agree to let it fly it was not Ryan he does not own the express, he submits a story its approved then printed, so now that it is out there you want to tell me all these educated people in the express did not do the math and ask Ryan if he was mad or to double check his finding . Was it that the express was going with this story regardless and they only way that can happen is with instructions from the top?

Considering that the same Ryan days ago was saying the UNCA is not dead, and giving the fact that the PNM always had their base the only conclusion that anyone can come to is that this poll was put out their to breath life into the COP and no other party with the hope of deflating the UNCA crowds, that is how I see it you are free to see it any other way you wish.

Nah .
I just heard Jack Warner on Heritage Radio say it is a PNM propaganda poll .

[King B]

Jack Warner also say he never sell any World Cup t(h)ickets.

[JPersad]

Jack Warner also say he never sell any World Cup t(h)ickets.
Now why yuh say that in here for ?
:o :o :o

[skl]

stupid poll. how can you have UNC-COP being an option along with COp and UNC ?

its supposed to to be 2 seperate questions --PNM/COP/UNC and then PNM/ UNCOP

[Parsifal]

stupid poll. how can you have UNC-COP being an option along with COp and UNC ?

its supposed to to be 2 seperate questions --PNM/COP/UNC and then PNM/ UNCOP

You hit the head of the nail there skl.

One of the fundamental things you must get right when polling is to put forward clearly stated and straight forward questions so as not to confuse the responder.

Ryan has made a hash of this.

There is only one thing correct about all of the polls published to date....the PNM is in front and I dont see that changing come election day.

[Maccogirl]

I always said the fight was for Opposition and I don't think that has changed, I never felt for one moment that UNCA will win it all especially with the COP pulling votes from them in the marginals all I can do is HOPE that at least we end up with some credible opposition numbers and PNM does not run away with it all. :roll:

[Parsifal]

I always said the fight was for Opposition and I don't think that has changed, I never felt for one moment that UNCA will win it all especially with the COP pulling votes from them in the marginals all I can do is HOPE that at least we end up with some credible opposition numbers and PNM does not run away with it all. :roll:

The PNM will NOT get a 2/3 majority.

The UNC will not disappear.

The COP will not win a seat.

Trinidad and Tobago will still be free.

.....but Keith coming for Patos position.

Kamla and Ramesh will fight for leadership of the UNC.......Ramesh will win because the party is parochial and will not change anytime soon.

Gillian Lucky and Anand Ramlogan will live to fight another day.....and this country needs young people irrespective of their political persuasion to make meaningful contributions so that we continue to evolve as a nation and as a people.

[rivers]

This poll isn't correct, how could it say the UNC only have 5% of the votes. That's crazy.

[peanut]

Now I know my math is not good or am I missing something? but check this out;

When voters were asked which party they preferred to have govern the country over the next five years, the PNM was preferred by 34 per cent, the COP by 30 per cent, the UNC Alliance by five per cent, an alliance or merger of COP and the UNC by 26 per cent, and None of the Above by four per cent. The percentages for both COP and the UNC would of course increase now that merger talks have collapsed.

34%+30%+5%+26%+4%= 99% what happened to the other 1%


When asked the more direct (but less productive) question, which party are you likely to vote for, 32 per cent said they would vote for the PNM, 28 per cent said COP, five per cent said the UNC Alliance, while three per cent said they would vote for a merger of COP and the UNC Alliance. Twelve per cent said they were uncertain as to what they would do eventually, 19 per cent refused to say, and two per cent said they would support "none of the above".

32%+28%+5%+3%+12%+19% = 99% what happened to the other 1%


The COP draws 48 per cent of its support from Indo-Trinidadians, 24 per cent from mixed elements, and 12 per cent from Afro-Trinidadians

48%+24%+12%= 84% The other 16% are who?


The PNM, for its part, draws 52 per cent of its support from Afro-Trinidadians, 35 per cent from the mixed group, and ten per cent from Indo-Trinidadians.

52%+35%+10% =97% The other 3% are whom?

[Sirius]

While this poll is amusing, I happened to pass by Starlite close to an hour ago where the UNCA is holding one of its meetings. What struck me as even more amusing than this poll was the tiny handful of supporters present. With all the traffic I was expecting some jaw dropper of a crowd. Nonsense...police block off a lane for nothing. The car park was empty except for a few people you could probably count on your fingers by the stage.

Well at least in Diego if you want to judge by crowd (bad indicator, I know already) then the UNCA really have 5%!

[Maccogirl]

Sirius you saw a handful of people that you could count on your hand is that right well maybe you should of parked in Starlite and enter the car park and check for yourself. UNCA will not get jaw dropping crowds in Diego this is a PNM seat and a hard one to capture not even if all the Westmorring people coming out can anyone other than the PNM capture these three seats. PNM won these seat in the last election with close to 32000 votes.

They had a crowd of maybe about 600 people, the crowd was predominately black I would say more from the lower income bracket, I am sure the UNCA is fully aware that this area is a tough fight , this is not a UNCA stronghold. If you feel that the COP is going to do any better in this area because Westmorring comes out when the COP is around think again not happening

[Sirius]

Sirius you saw a handful of people that you could count on your hand is that right well maybe you should of parked in Starlite and enter the car park and check for yourself. UNCA will not get jaw dropping crowds in Diego this is a PNM seat and a hard one to capture not even if all the Westmorring people coming out can anyone other than the PNM capture these three seats. PNM won these seat in the last election with close to 32000 votes.

They had a crowd of maybe about 600 people, the crowd was predominately black I would say more from the lower income bracket, I am sure the UNCA is fully aware that this area is a tough fight , this is not a UNCA stronghold. If you feel that the COP is going to do any better in this area because Westmorring comes out when the COP is around think again not happening

Try again dey Macco. I passed by very slowly since police blocked a lane for no reason. People had their cars parked in Starlite with a select few liming by their cars. The meeting was held in the car park opposite Starlite, and that car park was desolate with a handful of people standing by the stage.

Compare that to the COP meeting at that same location some time ago where people were spilling onto the road and standing by the grap in the gas station and inside Starlite with cars parked on the sidewalks and double and triple parked inside Starlite - I was one who had to triple park someone else and sit in my car and listen.

In any case, my point is simple: UNCA is not the be all and end all people are making it out to be. In their heartland they are getting their old support as expected. In the other areas, they haven't gained anything - in fact they've lost quite a lot. People are not falling for the JackBas duo and the RLM return. That is only working in the UNC heartland that they would get support no matter what they do. I am surprise you're fighting me down on crowd though. Were you not one who said crowds don't win votes? If the shoe fits...

[cm103]

UNC Alliance fizzles in Deigo.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,66225.html

PNM strong seat. I wouldn't read too much into that but they did have a much stronger turnout at meetings in past elections.

[cm103]

A breakdown of the CADRES poll findings. We really have 3 polls saying the same thing and the NACTA the only one with different information. Something to think about.

http://www.nationnews.com/editorial/293039297357312.php

Since I'm in Miami at the moment I lost touch with the feeling on the ground back home temporarily. I did pass through the airport yesterday to pick up some people and ended up getting caught up in some talk while waiting by the arrival gate. It seems from everyone I spoke to that the COP will be the new opposition and the UNC not making it now because past Panday the people don't see a future of the party. Don't shoot the messenger, this is what I was told.

During the conversation a number of Trinis jumped in to tell me the rumours going around back home as well. A couple of them sound exactly like the tactics I heard from a PNM stalwart after last election when we were drinking some scotch at some function.

Trinidad go never learn if wee have the same jokers running for elections every 5 years. We go end up like Jamaica. I support the COP strategy of setting term limits for the PM position so we get some fresh blood at helm ever 10 years at the most.

[deathwinger]

Look we all agree that there is something terribly wrong with this poll, unless you are so caught up in it that you agree with it. Even if all 900,000 people registered to vote comes out that would mean from this poll that the UNCA is only getting about 45000 votes, that is no where enough to not even give them one seat in any of the 16 seats they won in the last election do you really believe that??

No seat for Kamla, Bas, they all getting licks come on now. There is a reason for this poll you can dance around the subject all you want some one has a agenda to put that out there, be it the reason to fool PNM, fool COP or deflate the UNCA crowd it is out there for a reason and not just because Ryan say so. So you want to tell me all this editors in the express got this information printed and never questioned the veracity of it?

Some one in charge had to agree to let it fly it was not Ryan he does not own the express, he submits a story its approved then printed, so now that it is out there you want to tell me all these educated people in the express did not do the math and ask Ryan if he was mad or to double check his finding . Was it that the express was going with this story regardless and they only way that can happen is with instructions from the top?

Considering that the same Ryan days ago was saying the UNCA is not dead, and giving the fact that the PNM always had their base the only conclusion that anyone can come to is that this poll was put out their to breath life into the COP and no other party with the hope of deflating the UNCA crowds, that is how I see it you are free to see it any other way you wish.

You said it yourself Macco. The COP running away with all 41 :lol:

[Maccogirl]

Passing slowly as you admitted is one thing being there standing in the crowd is another, you are assuming that I was not there so am just talking for talking sake, as I told you my estimates for the crowd was about 600 I never said it was a massive crowd and I explain why I felt this was so being a PNM strong hold I did not expect the whole of central to be bussed as some of you are claiming to this meeting.

On the other had of course COP will pull a crowd having a meeting in Westmorring because that is who and what the COP relates to. People from westmorring, victoria gardens, bayshore and the area in the back of st. anthony's college will attend. If you want to draw on that crowd and tell yourself that is a win for Rocky, Joe and Nicole that is your take on it, I differ on that view.

I always said and not to bring race in this there are not enough fair skinned or middle and high class people in that area to take those seats from the PNM. We talking grass root here, we speaking about places like Diamond Vale, Blue Basin, Coveine Road, Bagettella, Four Roads, Powder Magazine, Water Hole. La Puerta not Goodwood Park and its environs get real the fact are there no one is making that up, D/Martin is a PNM stronghold.

What you feel that the ONR/NAR recycled parties now going to make a difference in these areas, you missing a very valid point there is no Karl Hudson Phillips, there is no Panday in that COP group. Yes some of the old faces trying to make a push once again to relive the ONR/NAR glory days but some very important key elements and players missing and some of you have to be realistic and recognize that fact. :roll:

[vaio]

i think some ppl shld realise that the UNC is comprised of members of the ONR/NAR party.... :roll: also that Bas is not the same man he was then... he is a hell of a lot corupt now!

[JPersad]

i think some ppl shld realise that the UNC is comprised of members of the ONR/NAR party.... :roll: also that Bas is not the same man he was then... he is a hell of a lot corupt now!
Slowly , but surely many are willing to admit that now .
Even if in private .

[Sirius]

Well Macco, I'm not disputing that you were or were not there. I'm sure if you count everyone who came and went over the course of the night we would have over 600. Maybe when you were there it was about 600, I don't know. What I am saying is when I passed, at a point that the meeting was still in full swing, the meeting was desolate, not even reaching 100.

[Maccogirl]

Sirius honestly I have no reason to lie because I know UNCA will not win these seat in the West, so am not going to come on here and fabricate numbers to give a false impression, these seats are just held too strongly by the PNM, too many food hampers, too many CEPEP contracts, this has always been a strong PNM area all the government housing development there was built for the lower class and made affordable for them that is something that is hard to beat.

I did stay until the end of the meeting and I went just for the fact that I wanted to see what kind of turn out they would get and the make up of the crowd, unfortunately there was no presence of the Westmorring , Victoria Gardens, Blue Range factor but I expected that and wanted to see that for myself, as I said what I did see a was a large section of grass root D/Martin which did out number the Indian presence, the meeting was not desolate and giving that account on here is totally inaccurate.

I firmly believe that supporters of the COP and UNCA as it is so close to election day now have to be realistic in the way we call things, it makes no sense in this my crowd was bigger than your crowd that is not getting both parties anywhere especially when the both parties supporters say their aim is the move the PNM and not destroy each other, it is time we all wake up and admit that there are constituencies that both the UNCA or the COP will not beat the PNM.

[skl]

Sirius honestly I have no reason to lie because I know UNCA will not win these seat in the West,

but yuh just cant help yourself :D

[Maccogirl]

Skl I can see as a small fish you have nothing to add to big pond as usual. :roll:

[Dispatcher]

History of Ryan Polls:

1991
Forecast:......PNM 16, NAR 11, UNC 3-5
Actual:.........PNM 21, NAR 2, UNC 13

1995
Forecast:......PNM 20, NAR 2, UNC 14
Actual:.........PNM 17, NAR 2, UNC 17

2000
Forecast:......PNM 18, NAR 2, UNC 16
Actual:.........PNM 16, NAR 1, UNC 19

After that Ryan stopped doing polls, well until this one.

[Acid]

Maybe this PNM 34% - COP 30% - UNC 5% poll is for the 2012 election.

Ryan probably has some long term vision.

I hope Ryan was never a lecturer in statistics and interpretation at University.

[skl]

Skl I can see as a small fish you have nothing to add to big pond as usual. :roll:


oooh clever.

[Maccogirl]

Thank you Skl I found so myself :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: