Jokey politics a la UNC

[bluemellow]

Politics can be so funny at times. I have always been an observer of Trinidad politics and I must say, this election year, I am laughing harder than ever. "Why", you may ask. Just look at what the UNC has become.It seems that this party is the court jester in the kingdom of the PNM. They cannot possibly be serious in their fight to win any election. They have a leader, then they have no specific leader. Kamla is in, Kamla is out then she is in again. Adesh for Tabaquite, Adesh not for Tabaquite. Ramesh is a nemakharam, Ramesh is the prodigal son.

I mean, come on. This has to be a joke. Not to mention their digitally doctored crowds of supporters, rumours of monies and trinkets handed out in an effort to buy votes. I mean, isn't this the same thing the UNC had accused the PNM of in the last election?

What is really going on with grassroots UNC? Basdeo Panday has been and continues to ride the backs of his core followers, since his inception as their leader.

There are members of this population who idolize this man, putting malas around his image every day, worshiping the ground he walks on. This is what Panday banks on. He knows that if he tells them to jump of the proverbial cliff, they will do so in an instant.
Do these people not have a brain of their own? Did Panday think about them when he was in office? Did he think about them when he was out on the course playing golf? Was grassroots UNC on his mind when he was sipping champagne and sending his offspring to schools abroad with paid for with money from goodness knows where?
Did Basdeo Panday listen to the grassroot followers when they voted Ramesh Maharaj as the next leader of the UNC in the party's internal elections years ago? No of course not. Did Basdeo Panday stick to his decision when he publicly endorsed (yet another) leader, Winston Dookeran? No, of course not.

Now he has named Jack Warner as the leader of this sordid alliance. Now, we see pictures of these gigantic crowds in attendance at the The Jack Warner Show as it travels across the country. We laugh because we know it is only a matter of time before Panday once again rips the reigns of leadership from Mr. Warner's hands.

I heard Ramesh speaking on the platform in Tunapuna. He accused Mr. Dookeran of being a desperate politician. Well Ramesh, you deserve your own comedy series. That comment, as well as your political career has this voter bursting at the seams from laughter. Desperate, Mr. Maharaj? Just look at the platform you are on now! Wasn't it just a few years ago, you and your little team were telling the public that Basdeo Panday and the UNC were the most corrupt political party? Weren't you the same man who held talks with the PNM in an effort to erase the UNC from the political scene? Yet, now you are the UNC's pride and joy. Mr. Dookeran isn't the desperate one, Mr. Maharaj.

With all this internal rumblings, an exceedingly poor slate of unknown candidates, no vision, no talk of issues or resolutions, I have to wonder if the UNC's attempt at campaigning is not just a political tragicomedy in this very crucial election.
If UNC supporters cannot snap out of the trance that Basdeo Panday has them in and see that he cannot possibly care about them or even his country, the fate of this nation will leave no one laughing.

[vaio]

Bas is their saviour from Patos :!:

[JPersad]

If voters vote issues and issues only , 90 % will not vote for either the UNC or the PNM !

[vaio]

If voters vote issues and issues only , 90 % will not vote for either the UNC or the PNM !

uh umm.. may i remind you tht we're in sweet T&T, and judging from the comments we've been getting here it ain't so and may never be so (for some at least or rather most) :|

[JPersad]

If voters vote issues and issues only , 90 % will not vote for either the UNC or the PNM !

uh umm.. may i remind you tht we're in sweet T&T, and judging from the comments we've been getting here it ain't so and may never be so (for some at least or rather most) :|
I know . :cry: :cry: :cry:
Maybe one day .

[TheLight]

The thoughts of desperate people.... :D :D :D :mrgreen: :D :D :D

[Maccogirl]

ALl yuh not tired its the same dam story every day by some of you over and over some long some short and I will ask again so you posters that love to write about Panday, Ramesh and Jack WHAT SEATS THE COP WINNING FROM THE PNM ????

[peanut]

[quote="bluemellow"]What is really going on with grassroots UNC? Basdeo Panday has been and continues to ride the backs of his core followers, since his inception as their leader.

Yuh mean the same way Eric Williams and Patrick Manning have done and Dookeran is now doing?

Ah wonder what is going on with the PNM and COP supporters?

[JPersad]

ALl yuh not tired its the same dam story every day by some of you over and over some long some short and I will ask again so you posters that love to write about Panday, Ramesh and Jack WHAT SEATS THE COP WINNING FROM THE PNM ????
Panday and Manning .
Same difference .

[vaio]

The thoughts of desperate people.... :D :D :D :mrgreen: :D :D :D

who knows maybe one day we'll all see the light and vote on issues.

On a lighter note, we know we headed for developed status when we have a man convicted and thrown in jail...going up for a Prime Ministerial post...and yes i know some may argue that he does not want to be PM but lets be realistic... dat is his dream to be in the PM's office just for a short while. :?

[bluemellow]

What is really going on with grassroots UNC? Basdeo Panday has been and continues to ride the backs of his core followers, since his inception as their leader.

Yuh mean the same way Eric Williams and Patrick Manning have done and Dookeran is now doing?

Ah wonder what is going on with the PNM and COP supporters?

I'm sorry... tell me again how exactly it is that Dookeran is riding the backs of his supporters?

[bluemellow]

ALl yuh not tired its the same dam story every day by some of you over and over some long some short and I will ask again so you posters that love to write about Panday, Ramesh and Jack WHAT SEATS THE COP WINNING FROM THE PNM ????

Maccogirl, are you not tired of following your leader BLINDLY?
At least if COP loses, we have a clear conscience that we didn't vote for a power-hungry, opportunistic stalwart.

[Maccogirl]

I don't want that nonsense nah JP some of you come on here and talk and talk I am asking a direct question all of you that support COP dancing around the dam subject with one set of nonsense, answer the question, I am sick of the Panday talk as if that is all some of have to say its a daily set of trash right we heard you all Panday is this, Jack is that, Ramesh is a nastiness. GOOD we get that point.

Now tell me what seat COP winning over the PNM that is as simple as I can ask it no dancing, no spin or trying to move the topic into another avenue I keep asking it over and over and each time I do the thread goes into space with all kind of dotish talk, if you all know that the COP is this force and can do it alone with all these undecided, middle class, intellectual people, you all must know what threat the COP is to the PNM and in which areas. I am asking to say where its very simple if you cant well put a sock in it and be quiet :roll: :roll:

[peanut]

Why all yuh so deceptive. The man's conviction was overturned!

And what about the DRUG DEALER WHO WAS CONVICTED, JAILED AND THEN DEPORTED FROM THE US? EH?

[TheLight]

I'm sorry... tell me again how exactly it is that Dookeran is riding the backs of his supporters?

Let me apologized for peanuts, sorry, Dookeran have no supporters.. :D :D

[peanut]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Maccogirl]

Well I tell you COP must be the only party in the world that goes into an election and don't care if they lose and that is the thinking of intellectual people ??? :roll:

[JPersad]

Well I tell you COP must be the only party in the world that goes into an election and don't care if they lose and that is the thinking of intellectual people ??? :roll:
I would prefer keep my integrity intact and my soul for my self than to become corrupt and sell my soul to achieve power .
If the people reject me , I can still sleep peacefully at night and do not have to watch my back .

[TheLight]

Well I tell you COP must be the only party in the world that goes into an election and don't care if they lose and that is the thinking of intellectual people ??? :roll:
I would prefer keep my integrity intact and my soul for my self than to become corrupt and sell my soul to achieve power .
If the people reject me , I can still sleep peacefully at night and do not have to watch my back .

Sing me the blues because you know Dookeran will lose, because he can’t full Panday shoes

[Maccogirl]

Watch your back your backside not even living here like you forget how good life is in New Jersey or what :roll:

[JPersad]

Watch your back your backside not even living here like you forget how good life is in New Jersey or what :roll:
I was living a decent life( note , I did not say rich ) in Trinidad .
I did not migrate for financial reasons .

[JPersad]

The thoughts of desperate people.... :D :D :D :mrgreen: :D :D :D
Actually I think it is Panday who is desperate .
This is his last chance , if he is to have a hurrah !
I think he he personally going to be very bitter after the election , cause he certainly not going t be PM again.

[TheLight]

I was living a decent life( note , I did not say rich ) in Trinidad .
I did not migrate for financial reasons .


So you is not a “backward ******” you is ah “knife & fork Indian” oh! ah now understand why you cussing Panday

[Maccogirl]

That is not the point JP you are presently not living here, and from all indication according to you will not be returning in the near future so when you act as if the election results, or anyone else other than the COP in government will have this disastrous effect on your standard of living you are being dishonest.

I living a decent life also and it is presently under the PNM government but I would like to see the UNCA win the election if they don't and PNM wins I will survive just as I have been before, I can leave T&T whenever I want the government is not stopping me but I have chosen not to, this is my home but am not going to come on here and act like its all doom and gloom if the PNM wins, I will vote and hope UNCA win, if they don't well then life goes on after election.

[Maccogirl]

If this is Panday's last hurrah well let the old man enjoy his self at least he will know that some of his people have not forsaken him

[bluemellow]

[/quote]So you is not a “backward ******” you is ah “knife & fork Indian” oh! ah now understand why you cussing Panday[/quote]

CLASSIC UNC supporter! :twisted:

[JPersad]

I was living a decent life( note , I did not say rich ) in Trinidad .
I did not migrate for financial reasons .


So you is not a “backward ******” you is ah “knife & fork Indian” oh! ah now understand why you cussing PandayNah not like Panday's and RLM kids , living more than the knife and fork lifestyle in London.

I hope you recall because of Bas and RLM comess , the PNM in government today .

[cm103]

You know, the COP might not win any seats and that's facing facts. But why would anyone that sees the UNC as morally bankrupt and running at the beck and call of a man who is thirsty for power, vote for them? If I cast my lot with the COP then I'm not voting for the lesser of the evils but for who I think can do the job the best.

I think at this point UNC supporters need to be asking themselves. What seats are we losing to the PNM and why. If the answer doesn't lie within their own party then they are blaming others for their own mistakes and will suffer from them again if they don't learn now.

MG you pose valid questions but I cannot see how you could not mind the PNM if you consider yourself a UNC supporter. Especially since Panday and the UNC have always stood against the PNM.

TheLight, you really don't bring anything to the table except to mimic what you hear on the election platform.

[peanut]

CM, Parliament was prorogued, meaning there are no MPs.

They are beginning from scratch to see who will win ah seat. UNC-PNM-COP. My silly prediction;

UNC ........16
PNM ....... 25

COP? as Chambers say NOT A DAMN SEAT FUH DEM!

[scrunter]

CM, Parliament was prorogued, meaning there are no MPs.

They are beginning from scratch to see who will win ah seat. UNC-PNM-COP. My silly prediction;

UNC ........16
PNM ....... 25

COP? as Chambers say NOT A DAMN SEAT FUH DEM!
Which 15?......it looking more like PNM all :oops:

[cm103]

CM, Parliament was prorogued, meaning there are no MPs.

They are beginning from scratch to see who will win ah seat. UNC-PNM-COP. My silly prediction;

UNC ........16
PNM ....... 25

COP? as Chambers say NOT A DAMN SEAT FUH DEM!

Maybe you should go back and re-read my post above before you start quoting the dunce. I bet you also backed him as well.

Go ahead and vote for the UNC if you like the direction they are heading in. That's your right. I don't see any difference in their style of leadership and the PNM so I'm voting for neither. That's my right.

[peanut]

No I didn't vote for the PNM in 1986 and I have never hidden that fact before and I won't hide it now. Yuh see CM, unlike some people, I know how to put Country above Party.

[cm103]

Good. Then why would you want an alliance with a one-man party which seems to be morally corrupt and no better than the incumbent party?

[peanut]

Because I want to see the PNM out and if that won't happen then the PNM be denied the special majority that Manning wants. I supported the COP because I believe it is what Dookeran is genuinely after [I still believe that]. But he has proven that he does not have the fortitude to defy those who are pulling his strings and put Country before Party.

Here is a lil lesson in Politics fuh yuh. In politics there are Leaders [Panday and Manning] and there are followers.

Do you see anyone calling the shots for Panday or Manning?
Didn't Panday defy the calls from supporters to bring back RLM in 2002?
Do you see them objecting to RLM now being brought back?

In spite of all the uproar, didn't Manning defy PNM supporters and got rid of incumbents?
Aren't the same rabble rousers now huddling together and supporting each other?

That is the difference in being a Leader and one who is being propped up as a Leader.

[cm103]

Dookeran didn't want to deal with the UNC with Bas or RLM in the mix. He stood by that, why it can't be that he did that on his own? If you believe that he is being led then you really are believing anything that the other parties are saying, and they wouldn't lie right?

I also know, for a fact, that he was asked to try and amend things while still in the UNC but Bas wouldn't listen to him. Is only when Bas realize that this splinter party he created actually was going to keep him from becoming PM then he want to talk alliance.

Panday calling his own shots now because Jack paying he way. When Bas had office last time the men who finance him had a field day and now still defending themselves from corruption charges. I think they were calling the shots at that time. Bas also showed that he just hungry for power and would do anything to get there.

I know this may be hard to grasp coming from all those years of PNM support but there comes a time when a father or maximum leader is no longer required. Its time for people to grow up and make serious decisions and not just pick the lesser of the evils.

[Sirius]

Why all yuh so deceptive. The man's conviction was overturned!

It was not entirely overturned. It was sent back to the courts for retrial. Panday is not out of the woods yet.

[peanut]

As it stands there is no conviction against Panday. Whether or not he goes to trial will be decided by the Privy Council.

[cm103]

As it stands now he will have to defend himself against allegations of corruption again. That's really a good quality for a PM to have. :|

[peanut]

As it stands now he will have to defend himself against allegations of corruption again. That's really a good quality for a PM to have. :|

And IF he gets to that bridge he will cross it again, until then there is no conviction against him.

[cm103]

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161217564 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161217564)

Well you have to wait until Easter until you find that one out. I hope you have a good backup plan if he goes to trial.

[peanut]

The UNC didn't fall apart when he convicted and jailed, what makes you think it will if it happens again?

wishful thinking :?:

[JPersad]

CM ,
Don't count our the COP just yet .
Firstly voting have not started yet .
True a couple would be COP supporters went back to the UNC , but not in great numbers as they will have you believe.
The more I look at the UNC meetings , the more I believe it is a well financed rent-ah crowd .
More importantly , listening to the call in radio programs , I am hearing a lot more analytical callers ,( albeit not as much as I would like ) as compared to previous elections . That gives me hope.
The COP is going to have to fight for all the votes it can get .
They have to convince the undecided now .
They have to remind UNC supporters , it is Panday and RLM (with their knife and forking eating children in London ) who have Manning as PM today.
They have to remind the electorate that Manning is hiding his role into the attempted 1990 coup .
But more importantly they ave to tell the electorate what they intend to do for the nation , should they form government .

Like I said before , until the poll closes , the COP cannot afford to let up .

[peanut]

Why yuh hadda go there?

Will Dookeran tell us if this is the real reason the COP was formed?

Muslimeen backs Dookeran
‘We made him PM in 1990 and we will do it again!’

A SENIOR member of the Jamaat al Muslimeen is convinced that efforts are afoot to ensure that their leader, Imam Yasin Abu Bakr, will never be allowed to lead his people again, especially with a general election looming.

Imam Loris Ballack, head of the Palo Seco Jamaat al Muslimeen, is convinced that the recent appointment of Winston Dookeran as Political Leader of the United National Congress (UNC) and the possibility of him becoming next Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago was also responsible for the authorities turning up the heat on them even more.

http://www.tntmirror.com/sunday/2005/dec04/story01.htm

Will Dookeran who was the mediator between the Hostages and the Jamaat Al Muslimeen tell us what role he played in the formulation of the brokered agreement that saw the Coup members walking free after unleashing a reign of terror on T&T?

[JPersad]

Why yuh hadda go there? Obviously the truth offends .

Will Dookeran tell us if this is the real reason the COP was formed?Take your jahaaji bundle and go .Yuh remember them words ?

Muslimeen backs Dookeran
‘We made him PM in 1990 and we will do it again!’

A SENIOR member of the Jamaat al Muslimeen is convinced that efforts are afoot to ensure that their leader, Imam Yasin Abu Bakr, will never be allowed to lead his people again, especially with a general election looming.

Imam Loris Ballack, head of the Palo Seco Jamaat al Muslimeen, is convinced that the recent appointment of Winston Dookeran as Political Leader of the United National Congress (UNC) and the possibility of him becoming next Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago was also responsible for the authorities turning up the heat on them even more.

http://www.tntmirror.com/sunday/2005/dec04/story01.htm

Will Dookeran who was the mediator between the Hostages and the Jamaat Al Muslimeen tell us what role he played in the formulation of the brokered agreement that saw the Coup members walking free after unleashing a reign of terror on T&T?

[JPersad]

Why yuh hadda go there? Obviously the truth offends .

Will Dookeran tell us if this is the real reason the COP was formed?Take your jahaaji bundle and go .Yuh remember them words ?

Muslimeen backs Dookeran
‘We made him PM in 1990 and we will do it again!’

A SENIOR member of the Jamaat al Muslimeen is convinced that efforts are afoot to ensure that their leader, Imam Yasin Abu Bakr, will never be allowed to lead his people again, especially with a general election looming.

Imam Loris Ballack, head of the Palo Seco Jamaat al Muslimeen, is convinced that the recent appointment of Winston Dookeran as Political Leader of the United National Congress (UNC) and the possibility of him becoming next Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago was also responsible for the authorities turning up the heat on them even more.

http://www.tntmirror.com/sunday/2005/dec04/story01.htm

Will Dookeran who was the mediator between the Hostages and the Jamaat Al Muslimeen tell us what role he played in the formulation of the brokered agreement that saw the Coup members walking free after unleashing a reign of terror on T&T?Coincidence that both Manning and Panday was absent from parliament that infamous Friday ? I think not .
Panday's word then : 'Wake me up when it is over ."

[peanut]

Oh yeah I remember those words, but you haven't answered my question, so let me repeat it fuh you.

Will Dookeran who was the mediator between the Hostages and the Jamaat Al Muslimeen tell us what role he played in the formulation of the brokered agreement that saw the Coup members walking free after unleashing a reign of terror on T&T?

and I will add another;

Imam Loris Ballack, head of the Palo Seco Jamaat al Muslimeen, is convinced that the recent appointment of Winston Dookeran as Political Leader of the United National Congress (UNC) and the possibility of him becoming next Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago was also responsible for the authorities turning up the heat on them even more.

Is this the reason he was told to take his jahagee bundle and go?

[JPersad]

Oh yeah I remember those words, but you haven't answered my question, so let me repeat it fuh you.

Will Dookeran who was the mediator between the Hostages and the Jamaat Al Muslimeen tell us what role he played in the formulation of the brokered agreement that saw the Coup members walking free after unleashing a reign of terror on T&T?
Dookeran had no power to grant anyone amnesty .So whatever you trying to imply , keep on trying .....

[cm103]

He saved the country from more days of stalemate, burning and looting. Why did Ramesh take his family and run Grenada?

Why does Manning ignore Dookeran's request for a coup inquiry? Is he afraid of what will come out?

Dookeran calling for the inquiry for a while now. If he did anything wrong then why would he do that?

Any quoting an article from the Mirror? What next? The Sunday Punch?

[Maccogirl]

How did he save this country from more days of a stalemate?? can you elaborate on that

[peanut]

One was not a quotation from the Mirror, this was my question based on my knowledge;

Will Dookeran who was the mediator between the Hostages and the Jamaat Al Muslimeen tell us what role he played in the formulation of the brokered agreement that saw the Coup members walking free after unleashing a reign of terror on T&T?

And no Dookeran couldn't grant anyone amnesty, amnesty was granted based on the agreement that was brokered between Dookeran and the Jamaat and signed by the acting President. It is a matter of court records from the Privy Council ruling.

[JPersad]

One was not a quotation from the Mirror, this was my question based on my knowledge;
The Mirror ? Next thing you will be quoting the National Enquirer .get serious for a change .Please .
Will Dookeran who was the mediator between the Hostages and the Jamaat Al Muslimeen tell us what role he played in the formulation of the brokered agreement that saw the Coup members walking free after unleashing a reign of terror on T&T?

And no Dookeran couldn't grant anyone amnesty, amnesty was granted based on the agreement that was brokered between Dookeran and the Jamaat. It is a matter of court records from the Privy Council ruling.

[JPersad]

One was not a quotation from the Mirror, this was my question based on my knowledge;
Then from where ? But the Mirror ? Next thing you will be quoting the National Enquirer .get serious for a change .Please .
Will Dookeran who was the mediator between the Hostages and the Jamaat Al Muslimeen tell us what role he played in the formulation of the brokered agreement that saw the Coup members walking free after unleashing a reign of terror on T&T?

And no Dookeran couldn't grant anyone amnesty, amnesty was granted based on the agreement that was brokered between Dookeran and the Jamaat. It is a matter of court records from the Privy Council ruling.

[cm103]

The stalemate that was the Jamaat holed up and not surrendering until they were granted amnesty. During that time POS burned and mas looting was taking place.

The amnesty was originally upheld by Justice Satnarine Sharma at the original trial, but overturned by the Privy Council on appeal. Neither the UNC administration or the PNM has sought to retry the insurgents even though they legally could.

Dookeran was ready to tell all in an inquiry for the coup, something Manning has been running from for a while. Neither the UNC nor PNM has backed his call for an inquiry. If we forget our history we are destined to repeat it.

How is it that Manning can also say in Parliament that he had advance knowledge of what was going to happen on July 27th, 1990 and nobody ent ask him anything?

Peanut you getting mamaguy by everyone and only jumping from one topic to the next.

[peanut]

Don't skirt the issue JP, the fact is ..

Winston Dookeran brokered a deal for amnesty with the Jamaat which was signed by the acting President of T&T and Abu Bakr and his men were freed on the charges of Treason by the Appeals Court. The Privy Council invalidated the amnesty but Bakr and his men were not re charged.

So don't go talking about Manning or Panday linked with Bakr and the coup and looking for debate. Dookeran, based on court records is the one who inflicted the likes of the Jamaat on the people after 1990.

Manning rightly told him to be careful what he is asking for as may not like what he hears.

[JPersad]

Don't skirt the issue JP, the fact is ..

Winston Dookeran brokered a deal for amnesty with the Jamaat which was signed by the acting President of T&T and Abu Bakr and his men were freed on the charges of Treason by the Appeals Court. The Privy Council invalidated the amnesty but Bakr and his men were not re charged.

So don't go talking about Manning or Panday linked with Bakr and the coup and looking for debate. Dookeran, based on court records is the one who inflicted the likes of the Jamaat on the people after 1990.

Manning rightly told him to be careful what he is asking for as may not like what he hears.

Then you have no problem with Inquiry into events leading to the attempted coup of Friday July 27th ,1990 ?
If it happens , I am willing to bet we will not see much more of Panday and Manning .
Morris Marshall ?Lucky fella..he went to the grave

[peanut]

Of course not cause I know a lot of people will hold their heads in shame and bawl .. including Panday, Manning and Dookeran.

[vaio]

Of course not cause I know a lot of people will hold their heads in shame and bawl .. including Panday, Manning and Dookeran.

then we shld have it and get those bloody fools outta here and let new ppl take over :evil:

[cm103]

Ask Manning to explain what he meant by he had advance knowledge of what was going to happen that day. Sinanan save him from having to answer that in Parliament but he should still answer to the people.

[vaio]

that aint gonna happen.

[peanut]

Ask Manning to explain what he meant by he had advance knowledge of what was going to happen that day. Sinanan save him from having to answer that in Parliament but he should still answer to the people.

I was the one who told Mr. Manning about it. He laughed and said it will never happen in T&T. I told him to look out of his office window at Chepstow House. He said something which I didn't understand and the line went dead.

Let me note this, When I spoke to Mr. Manning that day he had just come back to his office from attending Church and was getting ready to leave to go to Parliament.

[JPersad]

Ask Manning to explain what he meant by he had advance knowledge of what was going to happen that day. Sinanan save him from having to answer that in Parliament but he should still answer to the people.

I was the one who told Mr. Manning about it. He laughed and said it will never happen in T&T. I told him to look out of his office window at Chepstow House. He said something which I didn't understand and the line went dead.

Let me note this, When I spoke to Mr. Manning that day he had just come back to his office from attending Church and was getting ready to leave to go to Parliament.
Now I am really curious ,
Who are you ?
At 12:10 pm on that infamous Friday July 7th 1990 I was at the Red House .
Prior to the coup , my friends and family used to laugh at me when I said Abu will try to overthrow the government .As soon as I got the news , we made preparations for any and all developments .
Anybody who was residing in Trinidad at the time , will not deny Dookeran the respect he deserve as being forced as a mediator under the gun .
You will admit that as much as NAR was a hated government at the time not only because of its harsh policies , but also because of the dictatorial tendencies of ANR Robinson , it was Dookeran who stood out .
Panday was asleep and did not want to be disturbed .
Nobody could find Manning .
RLM , poor fella did the best he could , because of his knife and fork lifestyle , he hopped on a private plane straight to Grenada.
Grassroots like myself ( and that is not just talk ) was hoping the military would have taken care of Abu once and for all .

[peanut]

I can't say what happened after the line went dead with Manning after I spoke to him and I will not speculate. As for being curious .. I am me and if the NY/NJ arm of the UNC we have a victory suaree, I will be sure to ask Gary Mahabir to send you an invite and we shall meet. :lol: :lol:

[JPersad]

I can't say what happened after the line went dead with Manning after I spoke to him and I will not speculate. As for being curious .. I am me and if the NY/NJ arm of the UNC we have a victory suaree, I will be sure to ask Gary Mahabir to send you an invite and we shall meet. :lol: :lol:

No problem .
I hope it would not come to that .But if it does , I will graciously accept your invitation , clear my calender and show up .
When this election is over , I hope the winning party would be responsible enough to reach out to all citizens and residents .Give them a sense of belonging .

[peanut]

We can hope it is so, but after the election the Country will be more divided from a political standpoint than it has ever been.

[JPersad]

We can hope it is so, but after the election the Country will be more divided from a political standpoint than it has ever been.

That is why we need leaders who will put Country before party .

[peanut]

We can hope it is so, but after the election the Country will be more divided from a political standpoint than it has ever been.

That is why we need leaders who will put Country before party .

I wholeheartedly agree with that, and that is why in all good conscience I cannot support the COP.

[JPersad]

We can hope it is so, but after the election the Country will be more divided from a political standpoint than it has ever been.

That is why we need leaders who will put Country before party .

I wholeheartedly agree with that, and that is why in all good conscience I cannot support the COP.
The PNM had numerous chances and they always put party before country .
UNC first term was country before party .
UNC 2nd term was Panday before country .

COP ?
They deserve a chance .IMO the worst case scenario , COP cannot do worse than the PNM or the UNC .
Given the opportunity , Dookeran will lead by consensus .He will listen to both sides of a debate and then act .
Further, official trappings do not impress Dookeran .

[peanut]

But at present he is only listening to those who are pushing their agendas. Don't misunderstand me, I have a lot of respect for Mr. Dookeran and I honestly believe he will serve the Country well, however he needs to listen to the people whom he wishes to serve.

[skl]

The amnesty was originally upheld by Justice Satnarine Sharma at the original trial, but overturned by the Privy Council on appeal. Neither the UNC administration or the PNM has sought to retry the insurgents even though they legally could.


Winston Dookeran brokered a deal for amnesty with the Jamaat which was signed by the acting President of T&T and Abu Bakr and his men were freed on the charges of Treason by the Appeals Court. The Privy Council invalidated the amnesty but Bakr and his men were not re charged.

.................................................. .............................................

wait a second here. alyuh ent understand what the PC did.

the PC said that the amnesty was invalid when made BUT that since the govt had acted in the belief it was valid, the govt could not now act as if it was invalid.

[skl]

Additonally I see some people on this thread saying Dookeran responsible for the amnesty, but just last month people on this forum was saying that Dooks was out sedated while Carter did all the work.

Dooks cant win, half of his detractors saying he pass out from fear the other half saying he was in league with abu.

[citizen]

If Dookeran was in league with Abu Bakr, why is it that Manning refuses to call for an inquiry?

[vaio]

and no one else is supporting the call for an inquiry

[peanut]

Ask Manning to explain what he meant by he had advance knowledge of what was going to happen that day. Sinanan save him from having to answer that in Parliament but he should still answer to the people.

I was the one who told Mr. Manning about it. He laughed and said it will never happen in T&T. I told him to look out of his office window at Chepstow House. He said something which I didn't understand and the line went dead.

Let me note this, When I spoke to Mr. Manning that day he had just come back to his office from attending Church and was getting ready to leave to go to Parliament.
Now I am really curious ,
Who are you ?
At 12:10 pm on that infamous Friday July 7th 1990 I was at the Red House .
Prior to the coup , my friends and family used to laugh at me when I said Abu will try to overthrow the government .As soon as I got the news , we made preparations for any and all developments .
Anybody who was residing in Trinidad at the time , will not deny Dookeran the respect he deserve as being forced as a mediator under the gun .
You will admit that as much as NAR was a hated government at the time not only because of its harsh policies , but also because of the dictatorial tendencies of ANR Robinson , it was Dookeran who stood out .
Panday was asleep and did not want to be disturbed .
Nobody could find Manning .
RLM , poor fella did the best he could , because of his knife and fork lifestyle , he hopped on a private plane straight to Grenada.
Grassroots like myself ( and that is not just talk ) was hoping the military would have taken care of Abu once and for all .

A very good friend who is very dear to my heart was in the Public gallery at that time and he went into the painful details of how he was forced to lie on the ground and how numb he was when he stared into the barrel of a gun.

They should have and it would have been done had the acting Prime Minister not brokered a deal with them and all the hostages freed.

[JPersad]

But at present he is only listening to those who are pushing their agendas. Don't misunderstand me, I have a lot of respect for Mr. Dookeran and I honestly believe he will serve the Country well, however he needs to listen to the people whom he wishes to serve.
Bingo !

Dookeran will listen to the people , if given the opportunity .

[peanut]

But he is not listening now! If he was why isn't this election being fought 1 on 1 with the PNM? Like Fuad Khan said, if a workable solution could not be found in regards to leadership issues, sit in opposition until one is found. That is what responsible Leaders who has the best interest of the Country will do, and there will be no compromising or integrity or morality.

[bluemellow]

Fuad Khan???? Is that why he didn't go up for his usual Barataria/ San Juan seat under the UNC? Is it why now, he is helping Gillian Lucky campaign in St. Joseph.

Please, quote someone else whose word actually matters!

[vaio]

But he is not listening now! If he was why isn't this election being fought 1 on 1 with the PNM? Like Fuad Khan said, if a workable solution could not be found in regards to leadership issues, sit in opposition until one is found. That is what responsible Leaders who has the best interest of the Country will do, and there will be no compromising or integrity or morality.

Fuad is ah big joke, i don't think anyone should even listen to him

[JPersad]

and no one else is supporting the call for an inquiry
Very silent in here .
What say you , PNM and UNC supporters?
To the best of my knowledge , Dookeran is the only politician calling for that Public Inquiry .

[vaio]

its amazing isn't it? shocking... no! the skeletons that will come out may shatter a lot of ppl's lives.

[JPersad]

its amazing isn't it? shocking... no! the skeletons that will come out may shatter a lot of ppl's lives.
I still hoping ...

[vaio]

Mr Persad from felicity :D , i hopin for a lot of things and they never happen :(

[saltwater]

Ask Manning to explain what he meant by he had advance knowledge of what was going to happen that day. Sinanan save him from having to answer that in Parliament but he should still answer to the people.

I was the one who told Mr. Manning about it. He laughed and said it will never happen in T&T. I told him to look out of his office window at Chepstow House. He said something which I didn't understand and the line went dead.

Let me note this, When I spoke to Mr. Manning that day he had just come back to his office from attending Church and was getting ready to leave to go to Parliament.

Peanut, gyul you is Saltfish? Welcome back.

[peanut]

Who? Hey but I have a saltfish, do I get a prize for that?

[latany]

Propogander is a legitimate political strategy, you see what happens when the dirty tricks begin, anyway if it did happen, I never like anybody calling my indo brothers ******.

[sam48]

MG,
How yu forgetful so. We vote in two UNC govts with Panday as PM, one went full term and he and Ramesh destroyed the second one after only one year.
I know that you doh like to hear it but it is the truth.
Because of that betrayal the both of them, if they had any shame would have exempted themselves from active politics. We voted a govt into power and gave it to them to care for and to manage for us. Ramesh wanted more power now and would not wait or he would destroy the govt. Panday would not give Ramesh what he wanted even if it meant destroying the govt. Which one of them took the people who voted for them into consideration. Face the truth baby we gave Panday all that we could and he betrayed our trust.

[fluxxx]

The PNM is currently at its weakest and the UNC wolves want to join the feast. Its a shame that their supporters cant snap out of their blind loyalty for Panday baba and realise that there is so much more at stake here than is being said on the hustings. I was once Panday's biggest supporter. I once saw Dookeran as quiet and meek, but after seeing how nasty, manipulative and vindictive Panday could be I was shaken out of my blind stupor! For any man to withstand the level of attack that was levelled at Mr Dookeran and emerge as strong and forthright as he has, surely left Panday quaking in his shiny high heeled boots :lol:

[JPersad]

MG,
How yu forgetful so. We vote in two UNC govts with Panday as PM, one went full term and he and Ramesh destroyed the second one after only one year.
I know that you doh like to hear it but it is the truth.
Because of that betrayal the both of them, if they had any shame would have exempted themselves from active politics. We voted a govt into power and gave it to them to care for and to manage for us. Ramesh wanted more power now and would not wait or he would destroy the govt. Panday would not give Ramesh what he wanted even if it meant destroying the govt. Which one of them took the people who voted for them into consideration. Face the truth baby we gave Panday all that we could and he betrayed our trust.

This about sums it up why I can no longer support the UNC .

[Maccogirl]

Fluxxx like you still in your stupor, tell me exactly where at this moment is the COP a factor in this election, I must of missed it but since you are such a ardent supporter which seat are the COP leading the PNM and UNCA in. I need to know this because I cant believe that everyone so wrong.

If COP ahead I happy for them but where, I not seeing it, if its not UNCA ahead is PNM ahead in their areas, so fill me in nah I want to know.

[citizen]

My order of preference for PM would be Dookeran, then Manning, then Panday/Warner. Even if Dookeran loses, it is better to lose with principle than to win without.

[Maccogirl]

Well citizen when you go to the grocery and have to pay 19.00 for butter, 7.00 for condense milk , face the traffic, deal with crime and kidnapping, cuss TSTT , cuss T&TEC and so on tell yourself you are a man of principle so what ever money you have don't seem to go too far suck it up and tell yourself principles are great, long live the PNM. :lol: :lol:

[vaio]

It seems like the unc is so jokey...they believe themselves to be so superior to the COP that they and their supporters are saying that COP is not a factor in this election..then leave the COP the hell alone then.

If it is that, let's say by some stretch of the imagination..the COP does unite/join/have an accommodation with the UNC..who says that the COP supporters will vote for the UNC...it is so clear that the reason ppl are supporting the COP as opposed to the PNM or UNC is because of the nonesense that goes on within these parties.

They both had their chance and now the COP supporters have decided that enough is enough...i know a lot of ppl wld NOT vote for the UNC if there is some sort of alliance..so where are they going with the nonesense...either way the UNC wld lose and the PNM wld win...

So GET OVER IT!!

[Maccogirl]

I got over it a long time ago , but if you COP people want to get some of your people in parliament they only way they can do that is by talking to the UNCA otherwise they will have to settle for just looking on for the next five years, but I have no problem at this point if the COP wants to go it alone that is their choice , no sweat off my back because we all know the COP not getting a dam seat, it's the COP choice either get in the game or shut up :lol: :lol:

[deathwinger]

But he is not listening now! If he was why isn't this election being fought 1 on 1 with the PNM? Like Fuad Khan said, if a workable solution could not be found in regards to leadership issues, sit in opposition until one is found. That is what responsible Leaders who has the best interest of the Country will do, and there will be no compromising or integrity or morality.

Fuad is ah big joke, i don't think anyone should even listen to him

Shut your ignorant mouth. He making more sense than any of your leaders.

[JPersad]

But he is not listening now! If he was why isn't this election being fought 1 on 1 with the PNM? Like Fuad Khan said, if a workable solution could not be found in regards to leadership issues, sit in opposition until one is found. That is what responsible Leaders who has the best interest of the Country will do, and there will be no compromising or integrity or morality.

Fuad is ah big joke, i don't think anyone should even listen to him

Shut your ignorant mouth. He making more sense than any of your leaders.
You is Fuad ?
You make up your mind yet ?

[vaio]

I got over it a long time ago , but if you COP people want to get some of your people in parliament they only way they can do that is by talking to the UNCA otherwise they will have to settle for just looking on for the next five years, but I have no problem at this point if the COP wants to go it alone that is their choice , no sweat off my back because we all know the COP not getting a dam seat, it's the COP choice either get in the game or shut up :lol: :lol:

The are in the game, hun... and i will add that we not RLM to eat up our vomit...at least we stand for what we believe in...oh sorry my bad...allyuh stand by that too...yeah..just to get hands on that treasury...

[vaio]

But he is not listening now! If he was why isn't this election being fought 1 on 1 with the PNM? Like Fuad Khan said, if a workable solution could not be found in regards to leadership issues, sit in opposition until one is found. That is what responsible Leaders who has the best interest of the Country will do, and there will be no compromising or integrity or morality.

Fuad is ah big joke, i don't think anyone should even listen to him

Shut your ignorant mouth. He making more sense than any of your leaders.

i will repeat..he is ah big joke and does not know what he believes in....But if my leaders not makin sense...i guess Patos and Bas making all de sense in the world right now eh? :roll: :roll:

[brenchris10]

The reason Trinidad has not been struck with a major disaster is because we have many God -fearing and forgiving people in Trinidad and Tobago.
The UNC supporters are in the majority and they have forgiven all the past mistakes of the UNC, which they have not hidden from the population, and they are ready to give them another chance at Government.
Camille Robinson -Regis rightly said that only 'Vex' people are in the COP.
That means they are angry and unforgiving, and I am sure the people do not want an angry and unforgiving Government who neglects the wishes of the people, and who refuses to leave the past where it belongs....in the past....and move forward in true unity with all.

[bluemellow]

The reason Trinidad has not been struck with a major disaster is because we have many God -fearing and forgiving people in Trinidad and Tobago.

yup... nothing to do with geography at all!!!


The UNC supporters are in the majority and they have forgiven all the past mistakes of the UNC, which they have not hidden from the population, and they are ready to give them another chance at Government.

that is why they never win an election flat out?


Camille Robinson -Regis rightly said that only 'Vex' people are in the COP.
That means they are angry and unforgiving, and I am sure the people do not want an angry and unforgiving Government who neglects the wishes of the people, and who refuses to leave the past where it belongs....in the past....and move forward in true unity with all.

better to be vex with a vision over a thief and a moron.
honestly, if that previous post is an example of the logic PNM and UNC supporters are using this election, thank the HOLY HOLY ALMIGHTY I voting COP!

[vaio]

The reason Trinidad has not been struck with a major disaster is because we have many God -fearing and forgiving people in Trinidad and Tobago.
The UNC supporters are in the majority and they have forgiven all the past mistakes of the UNC, which they have not hidden from the population, and they are ready to give them another chance at Government.
Camille Robinson -Regis rightly said that only 'Vex' people are in the COP.
That means they are angry and unforgiving, and I am sure the people do not want an angry and unforgiving Government who neglects the wishes of the people, and who refuses to leave the past where it belongs....in the past....and move forward in true unity with all.

Er..? you for real? So you trying to tell us that the UNC is the one who shld rule T&T? hahahahaha...why don't they try to do some explaining of the RLM situation in 2001?

We all know that we suffering at the PNM hands all because of Bas and Ramesh Lawerence Maharaj? :roll:

[fluxxx]

Only vex peole in the COP.....WELL I DAMN VEX
Food prices, crime and corruption killing we and UNC people blind, peaceful and forgiving....Gimme a break!
At least try and be consistent!!!!!
And furthermore, Panday had a "brief courtesy call" with Mandela, not enough time to even say "trinidad and tobago!"
In fact according to the Zambian Times newsapaer....the visit was MADE UP!!!
And Panday and Jack have the gall to come on tv and blatantly lie about an indepth talk with Mandela. I am losing respect for Panday by the minute!
http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/ ... ?id=598437 (http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Article.aspx?id=598437)

[vaio]

i lorse that already!! he is a damn fool!!

[Somebody007]

Fifa official ‘makes up’ visit to Mandela
Buddy Naidu Published:Oct 28, 2007


Jack Warner, the controversial vice-president of world football body Fifa was left red-faced this week after being shown the door by former President Nelson Mandela.


All material copyright The Times. © Johnnic Media Investments Limited 1996-2007. All Rights Reserved

Typical of Basdeo Panday and his stalwarts.....always bluffing....and people feel I must vote for he come November 5th....never happen. Double Trouble, read the article eh....that will provide some insight as to how much money was spent on a private jet to go all the way to South Africa to get blanked by Mandela. I guess if the whole thing was a bluff by the Rwandian newspaper article, to me Panday only went there to sip on some coconut wine,jin and juice.

[JPersad]

It is a pity to see what Basdeo Panday have become today . A desperate , pathetic and power hungry man .
Back in 1975 , Panday was not like that .He was energetic and would fight for the poor and down-throdden.He fought hard for laborers , especially those in the sugar belt .
On the way up though , he slowly began to change for the worse .
When he became PM , he no lnger spoke of the parasitic oligarchy .He forget all about the cause that put him there .His main agenda was to hold on to power at all cost .For that he paid dearly .
But Bas did not learn .
He still desperately wants to be PM one more time .
Sorry Bas , will not happen . You had more than enough chances and your blew them all .

[Maccogirl]

I see some of you have nothing else to talk about on here, its amazing what the issues are with some :D :D :D :D :D

[Falcon]

All anyone has to do is to contact the press office in SA, and they will know what happened, from what is imagined to have happened.
But why do that? It's so much more fun to assume what Jack did and didn't do.

If people ever knew who was laughing at who...eh..eh........ :lol:

[JPersad]

I see some of you have nothing else to talk about on here, its amazing what the issues are with some :D :D :D :D :D

Am I to assume , we will no longer hear Mandela mentioned on the UNC platform ?
:ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:

[Maccogirl]

Jp do like Falcon say nah go and find out what happen lord all yuh good yes, honestly I really don't care if Jack, Panday or Bush went to see Mandela or not .......who cares other than some of you that have an axe to grind with Jack. Africa as a nation have so many problems presently, Mandela had his own problems fighting for his cause I never saw any one you constantly talking about Africa and what going on there, or printing news clips to fight for the African people rights.

Some of you would not ever think of reading a African papers to get up on the news, but now we have daily links from news from Africa is the hypocrisy I cant stand at times from you posters. :roll:

[JPersad]

Jp do like Falcon say nah go and find out what happen lord all yuh good yes, honestly I really don't care if Jack, Panday or Bush went to see Mandela or not .......who cares other than some of you that have an axe to grind with Jack. Africa as a nation have so many problems presently, Mandela had his own problems fighting for his cause I never saw any one you constantly talking about Africa and what going on there, or printing news clips to fight for the African people rights.

Some of you would not ever think of reading a African papers to get up on the news, but now we have daily links from news from Africa is the hypocrisy I cant stand at times from you posters. :roll:
Bas and Jack should have thought about that before opening thier big mouths and lying about meeting with Mandela !

[Falcon]

Some of you would not ever think of reading a African papers to get up on the news, but now we have daily links from news from Africa is the hypocrisy I cant stand at times from you posters. :roll:
Hahahaha great stuff!!! :lol:

[Parsifal]

Bas and Jack have done the near impossible!

Poor P.W. Botha must be grinding his teeth because this is indeed PROOF that this Mandela fella is a lying, wretch of a man! I mean he just outright LIE on Jack and Bas?

We in T&T should be absolutely outraged and ask our representative at the UN to send a note to the South African delegation condemning the response coming from Mr. Mandela's offices! ....and I use the term "Mister" most guardedly as well.

If they do not apologize in 48 hours (a la the Express) we shall have to use every means at our disposal to make them PAY.

I therefore call for an immediate embargo on all goods and services from not only T&T but also from CARICOM and our other trading partners in NAFTA.

I think we should also give Mr. Bush a call and ask that the US move one of their aircraft carrier battle groups off of the coast of Cape Town to let those LYING South Africans know that we mean business....or else its back to apartheid for the whole ungrateful lot of them!

South Africa is clearly a threat to world peace and their so called leaders cannot be allowed to get away with this at all, at all, at all.

I say back to Robben Island for the whole damned bunch of them!

And while you are at it "Mister" Mandela please return the Nobel Peace money to those nice people in Sweden. I don't think they would appreciate the damage that you have done to the pure and untarnished image of Messrs. Panday and Warner. I mean dear sir, these are two of the most respected statesmen that the world has ever seen and will not likely to ever see again!

Shame on you!

[vaio]

Ah feelin sorry for Mr Mandela... :(

[Somebody007]

Ah feelin sorry for Mr Mandela... :(


Why you feeling sorry for the man? He aint coming to T&T nor he has any business here. Mandela done already start to forget he long time now.

[vaio]

Ah feelin sorry for Mr Mandela... :(


Why you feeling sorry for the man? He aint coming to T&T nor he has any business here. Mandela done already start to forget me long time now.

ah still feelin sorry for him...

[JPersad]

Anybody notice that Ramesh name is not being called on the UNC radio ads about thier upcoming meetings ?
Alyuh think Bas banish him to the outhouse already ?

[vaio]

i won't be surprised...Bas not in ah good mood these days...he going to lose..ppl know he lie abt Mandela...Bas mashing up everybody now... :mrgreen:

[JPersad]

i won't be surprised...Bas not in ah good mood these days...he going to lose..ppl know he lie abt Mandela...Bas mashing up everybody now... :mrgreen:
Bas still have time to make this right .But his "abhimaan " holding him back .

[vaio]

i thought he have no more 'abhimaan'.... :?:

[JPersad]

i thought he have no more 'abhimaan'.... :?:
Well he still trying to convince himself .....

[Parsifal]

i won't be surprised...Bas not in ah good mood these days...he going to lose..ppl know he lie abt Mandela...Bas mashing up everybody now... :mrgreen:
Bas still have time to make this right .But his "abhimaan " holding him back .

But how allyuh treating de man so? Abhimaan, Abouttoloseman,Ahwantahman......whatever.

He really thought that he was going to put a cuttail on Patos? If so then those who the Gods seek to destroy they first make......

[vaio]

Patos enjoying all this right now......Bas..well...i ent want to be around him come Nov 6th...when he realize he not going to the PM's mansion.. :geek:

[JPersad]

I would love to have ah "Mano y mano " with Bas .Especially after the results are final .
But I am a low level person , so that will not happen .

[vaio]

May be you shld pick up golfing...he does that most weekend...he might talk to you then...not sure of his mood though...

[JPersad]

May be you shld pick up golfing...he does that most weekend...he might talk to you then...not sure of his mood though...
I thought that is the sport of the privileged .In other words a "KNIFE and FORK "sport .

[JPersad]

May be you shld pick up golfing...he does that most weekend...he might talk to you then...not sure of his mood though...
I thought that is the sport of the privileged .In other words a "KNIFE and FORK "sport .[/quote

[vaio]

Well, yuh think he is ah knife and Fork..? Then that wld make him a ...hmmmm

[JPersad]

......

[JPersad]

Well, yuh think he is ah knife and Fork..? Then that wld make him a ...hmmmm
.... Ah knife and fork indo trini ?
In other words , part and parcel of the parasitic oligarchy ?

[vaio]

yes, yes....gosh that man does seriously upset me when he talk...