Cops Move on Machel - Since When This is a Crime?

[Scorpio]

Since when this is a Crime ? Why are these armed Police officers not out there catching bandits ?

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Police move on Machel Montano at Zen show

Police attempted to stop Machel Montano's performance at the Zen Nightclub, Keate Street, Port of Spain, on Friday, angering patrons and leaving the soca artiste bemused. When Montano asked what the problem was, one of the two officers who were on stage answered, "Stop allowing the women to touch your ......(testicles) ." :o At this the entire audience as well as Montano and members of his HD crew, including Kernel Roberts, Benjai, Zan and Patrice Roberts, burst into peals of laughter.

[Falcon]

and the rot of our social fabric continues.............with its defenders close by. :roll:

[BW]

dat Zen nightclub sound like a place of real depravity. They should close it down.

[Solachica]

Thts nothing new.
In machels concerts many women rush to front to grab at his crotch. :roll:

[sapodila]

To think...... the man has no self respect. Holding a woman's hand to his crotch singing seductively to her in front hundreds of people.........things bad with that boi.

[Scorpio]

Zen and Machel gone thru long time.

My question about this is, why policemen with guns checking a nightclub to see who letting women touch they balls, while bandits running rampage throught TNT ?

[sapodila]

Zen and Machel gone thru long time.

My question about this is, why policemen with guns checking a nightclub to see who letting women touch they balls, while bandits running rampage throught TNT ?
Yuh no like they say the US is TnT copy book. They taking pattern from the US way of policing. ........look for de small fry, forget de big fish.

[KFCSpicy]

dat Zen nightclub sound like a place of real depravity. They should close it down.


Breadwinner you actually serious? I getting de feeling you does sell watchtower with one hand and cuss people on the next.

Sigh!

[KFCSpicy]

I think a lot of you here talking up in all yuh rectum. Machel is an Adult, in an Adult night club with consenting paid Adults.

Just because nobody ever willingly and freely touch all yuh balls all yuh finding cause to hate. Since when balls touching a Machel Montano concert/show is an issue? This was a paid for concert not so? This is not a first time performance by Mr. Montano not so? Everyone who knows the history of Machel's concerts/shows knows that when yuh rush to de front is for one thing only...to rub up he ballls not he ankles or elbows..but he balls so whay all de hypocritical, blaming of the club and the adult behaviour by adults coming from?

Small mindedness prevails once again from people from a small country with nothing else to do or talk about. why all yuh doh worry that all yuh tax dollars being wasted on paying for police officers to be in a party telling an Adult not to let anyone touch he balls. (ah reall like using dat word cuz ah cud imagine how it offending all these hypocrites on here).

All yuh good we.

Focus on what is destroying our society not the fact that an Adult allowed other consenting Adults to touch him within a paid for venue. Rubbish.

Cyah wait to read the rest of b.s. to come on here! :roll:

[KFCSpicy]

And another blasted thing...why Johnny being blamed for this? Why is club Zen all of a sudden being known as a club that is low down on the scale? Can anyone please explain to me why we as so called adults like to pass the blame on for others peoples actions?

So if ten men run in de club and shoot it up is Soong fault? Sigh why all yuh doh focus on the real issues and stop contriving ones out of thin air?

steupseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[serenity]

As u are so fond of saying KFC Spicy...come again.
There's a law that says something about leud dancing/behaviour. Its what they charge pole dancers with. Whether or not it should be a law is another matter. The point is, the law says what it says and Machel, as a professional, should respect that and adjust his performances to suit. Arrogance and complete disrespect for the law and the officers is what he gave instead and it was greedily lapped up by his fans...sad.
Police are often asked to attend in their professional capacity as added security. There is provision for this in their rules. So, if a police officer see that a law is being broken, he is mandated to intervene, not so? So why the uproar when he did? Is it ok to break some laws and not others? Is it ok for some ppl and not others? Please. :roll:
As for Johnny...guess what? Its his premises, its his show, he's accountable for what happens in it. Its his responsibility to set the standard of the performances he wants and the market he's catering to. So, there's no way in hell u could argue he is not to blame. Its a closed location which allows for greater control.
And to the person who said Zen becoming a place of real depravity..I totally agree with u. Soon after the Akon incident there were pics circulating of 4 young women on the upper level raising their skirts and pulling off their tongs and spreading for an audience at the lower level amidst loud cheers from both levels. Now this...
Kudos to the officers who stood up and did whats right, regardless of who vex.

[vaio]

i agree with serenity on this one, being a performer does not mean that you shld not obey the law..lewd and suggestive dancing in a public place. If he want all dem women to touch his private.. then do it in ah room.. it just digusting behaviour not just on his part but all those performers who feel that they need their private parts to assist in their performance...

As for Zen, well ah really doh know what to say...it just a lost cause..

[Falcon]

All yuh good we.

Focus on what is destroying our society not the fact that an Adult allowed other consenting Adults to touch him within a paid for venue. Rubbish.

Cyah wait to read the rest of b.s. to come on here! :roll:

the culture of mediocrity, where wrong is right, and right is boring.

[KFCSpicy]

Serenity if a law was being broken then they should have arrested Mr. Montano...how else can they expect others to adhere to these so called magical laws that can be (has been interpreted any which way) pulled out of hats at the whim of a police officer, who never once quoted the fact that MAchel was in breach of said laws he is supposed to do this. Where is the deterrent? On the say so of some ignoramous in the wings?

Please! As I always say our government needs to make public what our laws are all of our Civil Rights and everything else that make up for a country to act upon. We never really know what the laws are until John Doe alleges it in some article and then it gets bandied around by so called protectors of my rights (questionable) and protectors or the moral code in Trinidad (laughable).

Why enforce some pedantic law and public avoid actioning it? I think he just wanted to show off that he was within his right to open he craw about Machel and not really serious about doing anything....son once again the police have failed any which way u look at it.

As for everything else, hypocritcs reign. You are suggesting that Johnny must literally have people walking around a club and telling grown folks how to behave? Aren't these said individuals responsible for their own actions? So then we need to be a society that needs to print along with the promoional stuff on invites and tickets, the standards accepted by the club or else the club is going to be held liable for their dancing? Then we should arrest the Carnival Commission cause is their fault we does be wining and skinning up on carnival Mondays and Tuesdays in the streets...or better yet how about arresting the mayor as it's his city. Ah find that the police, seeing as they are so passionate about upholding these clearly defined laws :roll: then they should start arresting everyone for everything that is wrong. That includes, littering, spitting and peeing publicly, homosexuality and everything else. God...where will all this churlish b.s. end? Take some responsibility nah dread.

As for the pics in are you 100% sure that was Zen nightclub? Were you there?

Another thing that baffles me non-stop is why these entertainers do not boycott Trinidad and Tobago? After all they have their way of performing yet still with this dubious knowledge of our laws at hand for one and all to quote...promoters and club owners are still hiring these entertainers to carry on and just do what they normally do in our oh so law abiding spiritual do-as-I-do-then-blame-it-on-me nation? :shock:

This is going to be another rehashing of not what matters but what makes people feel comfortable most, looking down at others.

[serenity]

Police officers have a discretion to exercise based on the situation at hand. They gave him a warning, as they are entitled to do. If they had indeed arrested him jus so there would have been even more complaints, and who knows, all hell break loose. Hell, which I'm sure the two officers present would not have been in aposition to control. So, from the limited info I have on what the situation was that night, the officers made the responsible decision and I honestly cant understand why they should be the ones to come under fire for it.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Moreso when acting in a professional capacity as Machel was that night. The onus is on u to get acquainted with the law that affect your profession and ensure that u move accordingly. Ask Machel about his contracts nah, I'm sure he knows the relative law well enough, but not those that restrain his 'performances'? How convenient...
Further, lets just say for arguement's sake that he didnt know he was in contravention of the law. His response to the officers still leaves much to be desired, especially as a man who is touted as a role model and so revered by his fans. Its the same gross disrespect he shows to EMA officials who try to get him to temper the volume of his music after a certain hour.
If someone wants to make excuses, there are a million excuses available - why arrest me and not he? Why not go look for the real criminals? Why not do this, that and the other. U hear it all the time when an officer stops someone for driving on the shoulder. KFC, if u are so interested in ppl taking responsibility for their actions then start with Machel and stop making excuses for him.
As for the law, I think it applies to performers. Ppl dancing on the street for carnival are not performers. Even if it has a wide application, dont u think performers should be held to a higher standard? Shouldnt more be expected from them given their range of influence? Everybody does cuss, but u dont expect an MP to cuss.
As for the pics, yes, they were from Zen. I wasnt there that night but I've been there often enough in the past to recognise the decor.

[sheppy]

fix criME first..... :?

[KFCSpicy]

So where did Mr Montano say that he wished to become a role model to the less intellectual? Why as soon as someone is on stage/tv/radio we all want to be like them? He has to be responsible I do agree but yuh cant change a 1 cent friend...dis boy/man doing his act for yearssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

Clearly no one on here can quote the law as it stands (inbcluding me) so I think none of all yuh should be quoting the law.

I hope and pray to God that these same law abiding one warning officers do the same thing during every carnival fete to come. Ah cyah wait to see the drama ensuing when they try to interfere wid big people talking ****e about lewd.

Gimme a break and not a kit kat one either. steupse.

[serenity]

Rriiiiiiiiiiiight. So machel lewd years now so we should continue to turn a blind eye. It have a piper in the croisee they hold recently. He's a piper for years, I guess they should just leave him be now. That 'rationale' is clearly lacking. And why when someone speaks out or seek to impose a higher standard they are deemed hypocrites? I mean, really, wrong is wrong and ten million ppl doing it or supporting it doh make it right.

To be in contravention of section 51 of the SUMMARY OFFENCES ACT, one must, during the presentation or performance of any stage play or concert or other dramatic or musical entertainment, or of any other form of entertainment whatsoever, or the holding of any dance, in any building or place to which the public is admitted or has access—

(a) be indecently attired;

(b) performs any lewd or suggestive dancing or actions;

(c) in any play, song, ballad or speech, uses language, or make use of any recording, which is profane, indecent or obscene, or which is insulting to any individual or section of the community whether referred to by name or otherwise;

(d) acts in a manner calculated to hold up to public ridicule or contempt any individual or section of the community.

[Solachica]

All these years when machel have women feeling up his crotch on stage no1 ever said anything so how now the sudden intrest?

[KFCSpicy]

Thank you Sola. This is where the hypocrisy abounds. One minute they all doh care next minute everyone on the moral bandwagon. I hope after reading the definition of the Offence Act that they start arresting everybody who does sing songs about Indians,Chinee and black people cause we all know that most calypsoes are offensive and lewd. I hope to see for carnival people walking and not "dancing lewdly on the streets" cause then they are all turning a blind eye to the crimes occuring.

I am so flipping tired of the tangents all yuh minds does go onto. What is the real issue here? Machel was always lewd? All yuh did always know this and nobody ever say jack ****e about it before publicly or ask for him to be arrested and cautioned?

Tiresome! So umm yuh raising de standards? Wow! I here laughing so much it take meh about 3 more minutes to write this last bit. I cyah wait to discuss this with "normal" thinking people who doh see themselves as whingers but raising the moral standards of our country. Wow! oh wowwwwwwwwwwwwww! We eh bet we blessed to have all yuh nah.

What we would have done without all yuh standards raisers eh? (maybe have more winin in fetes?) lmaooooooooo

I can not take this discussion seriously any longer. :roll:

[serenity]

Hmmm....I still dont get where the hypocrisy lies... break it down for me KFC, cos this is how I see it:

Machel held a patron's hand to his crotch while performing.
This type of behaviour is against the law as it currently stands. A mere summary offence, no biggie.
Police officer on duty asked him to cease.
He disrespects officer but (I assume) complies.

Hypocrisy?

Ppl, myself included, have long had issues with Machel's antics which seem to get worse every year. There are annual letters to the editor on the issue. The sad thing is he doesnt need the cheap antics to sell his music or pull a crowd, but thats another story. So its not a question of sudden uprising of dispproval and condemnation.

Every year at fetes ppl drop their cups and bottles on the ground. If at one of these fetes u attempt to do the same and an officer stops u and directs u to a bin, is he being a hypocrite? Are all those who support his action hypocrites?

If u ask me, the true hypocrites are the ppl who continuously settle for less, excusing the type of behaviour that then leads to a society where anything goes and then they stop to wonder 'what went wrong?'

[Falcon]

If u ask me, the true hypocrites are the ppl who continuously settle for less, excusing the type of behaviour that then leads to a society where anything goes and then they stop to wonder 'what went wrong?'

aye, bravo!!
Out of the mouth of babes!!!!! 8-)

[Solachica]

From wht I've heard it was the woman who put her hands on his crotch and machel just held her hand there a few seconds.
He also used obscene language but apologised when a man tried fondling him too.
But as I said before I've seen worse when he performs and no1 said anything before and women continue rushing up front to feel up the man.
If anything supposing he wanted to have the woman arrested for fondling him?

[serenity]

If anything supposing he wanted to have the woman arrested for fondling him?

If he did, do u think the policeman should dismiss him and say 'Whappen machel? Is years woman feelin up yuh crotch, NOW u to want to file a complaint? Yuh is a hypocrite?'
Or do u think the policeman should do whats he mandated to do by the law and take the report and make the arrest?

BTW, thanks for the back-up eh Falcon, for a while there I was wondering if I was the lone ranger.

[Falcon]

Big-up #2: you're doing your bit to fight the almost innate culture of mediocrity. Well done.

[Solachica]

yes they shud do their work thts wht we only want. I ent saying no :D

[KFCSpicy]

That is a horse of a different color dread, we all know if they could let the people child die in de back of de truck, and all other moralistic pursuits then they eh go belabour themselves with attempts to actually do wuk dat matters.

But I was talking to an older relative and she said how Sparrow wasn't easy. See how these so and so's does have convenient memory? And yuh go tell me is all in the name of morals and liberty for all and upholding the laws of Trinibago that the police acted out? Steupseeeeeeeeeee is because they have the own reasons why they hating on Mr. Montano. He young have money and popular so they go pick on him. Sparrow and all the other calypsonians of that era was just as lewd. Steupseeeeeeeeeeee!

[serenity]

Soooo KFC, instead of dealing with the the reality of the situation, u prefer to attribute improper motives to the officers? Ok then. Nevermind that regardless of motive they still acted properly? Cool. You're a HUGE fan girl!

[KFCSpicy]

and so because you think differently about the situation makes it right? Wow didn't realise this was the Sereniverse not the Universe. Girl yuh entitled to opine but doh hate on others who put up their's jess cause it doh jibe wid your allegedly high standards.

The police men eh doing one thing bout crime but they quick to hop on woman grabbing hold of man's winky in a private club. STeupse yuh eh make no point yet that worth me stressing yuh vehemently defending the actions of the police officers on the premise that they doing their jobs. Then fine...but let them show such passion all through the other 364 days dey wukking nah and perhaps...just perhaps we might have some crimes solved and reduced.

gimme a bleeding break here...lmaooooooooooooooooo.

[serenity]

Double post

[serenity]

and so because you think differently about the situation makes it right? Bec u havent been able to put forward a reason that they are wrong, the assumption is they are right. Wow didn't realise this was the Sereniverse not the Universe. Girl yuh entitled to opine but doh hate on others who put up their's jess cause it doh jibe wid your allegedly high standards. I'm not 'hating' on anybody. So anybody who dont agree with u 'hating' on u? Its a discussion.
The police men eh doing one thing bout crime but they quick to hop on woman grabbing hold of man's winky in a private club. STeupse yuh eh make no point yet that worth me stressing yuh vehemently defending the actions of the police officers on the premise that they doing their jobs. Then fine...but let them show such passion all through the other 364 days dey wukking nah and perhaps...just perhaps we might have some crimes solved and reduced. What passion? The guy gave a warning. We've covered this. U didnt even answer my questions. I can only assume that there arent any rebuttals that u care to put forward to my rationale.

gimme a bleeding break here...lmaooooooooooooooooo.

Hear what KFC, lets call a truce before this degenerates further. I think the police were right to do what they did, u think 'they hating on Mr. Montano'. Once again, let's agree to disagree.

[KFCSpicy]

Cool! :? It's what a discussion is about. Not agreeing.