mothers make criminals

[antaros]

In today's Guardian, the mother of Hebert "Screw Up" John, claims that she wants a gun to take revenge on the man/men who killed her son. From her attitude it is evident that she contributed to his criminal lifestyle, and must have also benefited tremendously from his ill gotten gains. She turned a blind eye when her son was on the other end of the gun, taking lives himself.

Mothers like this must feel the pain of what law abiding Trinis feel everyday, because they are responsible for creating these monsters and unleashing them on the wider society. I wish there was some way they could be held responsible for the actions of their children, maybe in the next life....

[Amelia]

When was she interviewed and shared this?
Was it soon after hearing the news of her son's death?
Could it be she is enraged and shaken to the core and needs to feel like she doing something to avenge her son, her child?
Is there an article on the story that would give more detail on her's son's past?
Was he a gang member / criminal?

On the issue of mothers and the nowherian children though, I agree with u. Sometimes, however, I wonder if I might be able to do diffrently if I had to live a week in their lives. After all, its easy to say what what we would do...until we actually there.

If there was literature or movies to tell their tales, that would be interesting...

[Somebody007]

In today's Guardian, the mother of Hebert "Screw Up" John, claims that she wants a gun to take revenge on the man/men who killed her son. From her attitude it is evident that she contributed to his criminal lifestyle, and must have also benefited tremendously from his ill gotten gains. She turned a blind eye when her son was on the other end of the gun, taking lives himself.

Mothers like this must feel the pain of what law abiding Trinis feel everyday, because they are responsible for creating these monsters and unleashing them on the wider society. I wish there was some way they could be held responsible for the actions of their children, maybe in the next life....


After screw-up John get murdered, another set of killings will be coming because you have vigilantees who want to pursue their own course of justice.

[antaros]

Hi Amelia,

See the article in today's Guardian. Herbert "Screw Up" John was a notorious East POS gang leader. He was jailed in the US and subsequently deported to Trinidad after being held with cocaine at JFK Airport.

He was a member of the Jamaat al Muslimeen, and was one of the "community leaders" with whom Patrick Manning secretly met in 2002. He made millions from ghost gangs, the likes of which were never previously seen, with names like Jennifer Lopez and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

He was fingered by the police in a number of gang related murders, but was never charged because of a lack of witnesses and political will.

If I get time I will do a search of the online archives and see what articles I can find on him. On the point of his mother, he could not have done all these things without his mother knowing.

Antaros.

[Amelia]

Thanks for the clarification antaros. Then yes, I am in agreement. And if her first thought is to turn to gun and not God, well it speaks to how she lives her life as well. But I loathe to judge a woman who just lost a child, regardless of what the child might be. Let us hope any grandchildren do not follow suit.

[dancerboy]

IT'S AMAZING HOW WE FATHERS "GET OFF", SCOTT FREE. But it is said: "one minute of pleasure makes a man father,but it takes a life-time of pain to make a woman a mother"


DANCERBOY

[deathwinger]

IT'S AMAZING HOW WE FATHERS "GET OFF", SCOTT FREE. But it is said: "one minute of pleasure makes a man father,but it takes a life-time of pain to make a woman a mother"


DANCERBOY

Oh that is just not fair, its 7 minutes or more of pleasure!

Stereotypes help no-one.

[Somebody007]

IT'S AMAZING HOW WE FATHERS "GET OFF", SCOTT FREE. But it is said: "one minute of pleasure makes a man father,but it takes a life-time of pain to make a woman a mother"


DANCERBOY

Oh that is just not fair, its 7 minutes or more of pleasure!

Stereotypes help no-one.


I would prefer to say more like 15 or more minutes of pleasure..... :lol:

[saltwater]

You dont think it should be more like 30 mins. Those are significant discrepancies in mins.

[antaros]

The whole invisible father issue is an excellent point raised by dancerboy, and one that often gets overlooked. We have been so conditioned to accept the single parent home that we lay all the blame on the mother while the father is permanently in absentia.

Delinquent fathers are a huge part of the reason for the failure of our society, and it speaks poorly of some of the sub-cultures of our country to see that this trend is so rampant. The majority of this crime has it's roots in social issues.

[Solachica]

On radio this morning I heard Father Harvey say tht since 2006 when the 'peace treaty' was signed and the 'community leaders' were wined and dine at Crowne Plaza, tht to this date 18 of the 20 of the 'community leaders' are dead.

[antaros]

I'm not surprised by that statistic, it also reflects badly on patrick that he could entertain these criminals and think he could fool us by giving them the title of "community leader". We never got to find out the real reason behind that secret meeting. Probably to organize payback for the election help they gave his party.

[Unkerpaulie]

As soon as I read the title of this thread I thought about the exact same thing that dancerboy said. Sure we can say that mothers make criminals. Single mothers are definitely more likely to produce deadbeat delinquent sons. But deadbeat and delinquent sons are the ones most likely to abandon their pregnant girlfriends and create more single mothers that raise more deadbeat and dilingent sons. Chicken and egg ad infinitum.

My view is blame the idiot that "screwed up" his own damn life by the choices he made. His mother didn't make him a criminal, his dad he probably never met, nor his single-mother grandma, nor the jerk that left her, nor any other deliquent granddad or single grnadmom made him a criminal. Whether his mom consented or even approved of his lifestyle doesn't make him a criminal. He isn't bound to lead a life of crime because he grew up in an environment with a spastic mom and jamaat gunslingers. At some point we need to realise that people arew responsible for the choices they make in their own lives

[Scorpio]

You dont think it should be more like 30 mins. Those are significant discrepancies in mins.

More like 45 minutes here :D

[Scorpio]

^^ Couldn't help that ....

...but back to the topic, you live by the gun you die by the gun, this mother surely knows that and she must have known it was only a matter of time for her son, she's just blowing off steam.

[gaia]

My view is blame the idiot that "screwed up" his own damn life by the choices he made. His mother didn't make him a criminal, his dad he probably never met, nor his single-mother grandma, nor the jerk that left her, nor any other deliquent granddad or single grnadmom made him a criminal. Whether his mom consented or even approved of his lifestyle doesn't make him a criminal. He isn't bound to lead a life of crime because he grew up in an environment with a spastic mom and jamaat gunslingers. At some point we need to realise that people arew responsible for the choices they make in their own lives
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Yes I agree with you, in the final analysis, we are responsible for our own lives, we create our own misery or happiness. Unfortunately, how many of us are wise, conscious of this universal law? Does our society project this? We are accostomed to the blame game. Blame the colonials for making us slaves. Blame other races for robbing us and keeping us poor. Blame the political parties for not giving us all that we need. Blame the schools, society etc, etc, etc. Then our SPIRITUAL FATHER tell us that we will not return to SLAVERY by planting cane or tilling the soil. Who tells us that we are responsible for our own lives? that we are responsible for erach other? For the welfare of the nation? That when one suffer, all suffer. We have parents who gain from their sons ill-deeds. Children who are brought up in "mind poverty," violence, choas. Parents who encourage dishonesty. The whole society is to blame, we are united. When any sector of the society fails the youths, they help create crimminals. Those who critize and scorn the poor........ etc, etc etc.But most important of all, we need to free ourselves from poverty of the mind!