Reality Check COP Supporters

[peanut]

Dookeran's will lose his seat and take note of the following highlights

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news5.html

The findings of Nacta’s latest opinion tracking poll conducted over the last week shows the opposition UNC Alliance opening a huge lead over the ruling PNM and newly-formed COP in three key constituencies that were won by the UNC in the last general election.

According to the poll, UNC Alliance leads in St Augustine, Tabaquite and Caroni Central. Since these three seats pose the greatest challenge to the UNC Alliance and the party is ahead in popular votes, it is unlikely that COP will win a seat in the November 5 general election.

But the UNC Alliance faces an uphill task to win the general election because the COP is prying off a huge chunk of votes from the Alliance that will prevent it from winning most of the marginal seats.

The PNM is running away with the election because of the split votes in the opposition.

Nacta is a New York-based research and polling organisation.

Popular support

The latest survey was conducted from Monday to Friday to determine popular support for the political parties and was co-ordinated by New York-based pollster Vishnu Bisram. The findings are based on interviews conducted with 160 respondents in Caroni Central, 180 respondents in St Augustine and 152 respondents in Tabaquite to represent a demographic composition of the population of those constituencies.

According to the findings of the poll, the UNC Alliance has been on the upswing since it launched its candidates last Sunday. Both the PNM and COP have lost support over the last week while the UNC Alliance has gained ground.

Many supporters of UNC Alliance who had moved into the COP are rowing back home feeling confident now about the strength of their party following the rally. They feel the UNC Alliance now has a chance of beating the PNM.

The findings show the UNC Alliance is leading the other two parties in all three constituencies polled.

But except for Tabaquite, the UNC Alliance does not have a majority of the support although it holds unassailable leads over the PNM and COP and appears likely to win all three seats. However, if the COP were to increase its strength in these constituencies at the expense of the UNC Alliance, the seats could fall to the PNM.

The PNM support base is not split whilst the opposition base of support is split between the UNC Alliance and COP.

The poll findings show in Caroni Central, the UNC Alliance leads the PNM 43 per cent to 27 per cent with 18 per cent for COP and 12 per cent undecided.

In St Augustine, UNC polls 41 per cent to PNM 24 per cent and COP 22 per cent, meaning COP leader Winston Dookeran cannot win his seat. And in Tabaquite, Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj is leading Anand Ramlogan 51 per cent to 17 per cent with 23 per cent for the PNM.

Many UNC grass root supporters in Tabaquite and Caroni Central are angry with the respective COP candidates Ramlogan and Prakash Ramadhar for joining the COP and intend to teach them a lesson.

They feel both candidates should have joined Basdeo Panday (UNC Alliance leader) in battle against the PNM and COP. They endorse the return of former Attorney General and UNC deputy leader Ramesh Maharaj to the party’s fold.

The findings of a Nacta poll in August in Tabaquite showed UNC supporters wanted Ramlogan as their candidate over incumbent Adesh Nanan for UNC. But Ramlogan is now out of favour for linking up with the COP.

Marginal seats crucial

The latest findings show that of the two opposition parties, UNC Alliance is getting the larger chunk of support and is in a better position to challenge the PNM for government, but the COP is in its path pulling critical support away from the UNC Alliance especially in the marginal seats.

The marginal seats would determine the outcome of the election and the PNM is in the lead because of the split voting in the opposition. Had the two opposition parties entered into an electoral accommodation in these seats, they would have posed a serious threat to unseating the PNM from government.

A national poll conducted by Nacta from September 29 to October 8 shows the PNM trailing the combined opposition by six per cent—40 per cent for the PNM to 46 per cent for the combined opposition UNC Alliance/COP. The poll showed the PNM leading its nearest rival UNC Alliance by ten per cent.

The UNC-Alliance has 30 per cent and COP 16 per cent with 14 per cent of the voters undecided.

Statistical dead heat

The poll had a margin of error of four per cent, which when factored into the equation means the PNM and the combined opposition are in a statistical dead heat suggesting that if the two opposition parties were come together, the election will be competitive.

Right now, because of the divided opposition, it appears the PNM will win all of the marginal seats. In terms of seat projection, in a three-way contest, the PNM is projected to win 25 to 26 seats, UNC Alliance 15 to 16 seats, and COP no seat. But in an electoral accommodation involving UNC-A/COP in a one-to-one contest against the PNM, the opposition will win between 22 to 25 seats with a chance in two others and the PNM will win 16 to 19 seats.

Most of the supporters of the UNC Alliance and COP want their parties to unite in an electoral arrangement to contest the election.
Opposition supporters are near unanimous agreement that the PNM will win the general election once the opposition remains divided.

[BW]

Meanwhile...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/PikachuMan/Joke-boy1.jpg

Can't wait for Nov. 6th :D :D

[Vampire_Princess]

oh peanut, you just read my mind posting this :lol: :lol: :lol:


VERY interesting.

You know, a british labour party person once said to me....you have to stay in the party and change it from within.

Maybe some of the COP should have stayed with their respective parties and tried to make it work?

[Maccogirl]

Peanut the COP supporters cannot even believe what they saw in St. Augustine last night you really feel they will take on that poll, that is not the ANSA poll. Dookeran tonight on the news told the reporters that he winning his seat he knows that well if he feel so I say go brave man, he did not win under the NAR so what makes him feel he will now.

All this talk he cant deal with Panday he cant even sit in the same room with Panday this felon and here he was tonight on the news trying to sell the public his pick for the Tobago East seat, a deportee that spent 4 years in jail in the USA for trafficking coke. He is willing to accept this man on a COP ticket willing to take a chance with him but he wont even think of sitting in the same room with Panday to thrash things out, I tell you the COP getting more jokey as the election draws near. :roll:

[Vampire_Princess]

Can't wait for Nov. 6th :D :D



But aye aye, PNMites celebrating already? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

What trouble is this.

Take care you don't see this instead

http://xs320.xs.to/xs320/07410/Ramesh.jpg

[slick]

If the PNM wins, or even worse - gets a constitutional majority, just remember to thank the COP.

[Dispatcher]

If the PNM wins, or even worse - gets a constitutional majority, just remember to thank the COP.

The problem is that they hate Panday so much that they would rather see the country go to the dogs than have a Warner/Panday/Maharaj and hopefully Bissesar led government. The same people who did so much for the country at a time when the oil price averaged $15. People who did nothing to threaten the democracy of the land.

[skl]

Reality Check UNC supporters.

why cant the UNCA attract more votes than the PNM ? why is the UNCA unable to attract more COP votes ?

you cant win the election without COP support. but after 2 years of bashing Dookeran and the middle class and knife and fork Indians, you not going to get it.

Maybe instead of calling the man a corpse you might have ...apologized to him for telling him to leave ? but no. alyuh make demands and threats.

and now alyuh blaming COP for a PNM victory. but ask yourself first if the UNCA so great, why the UNCA cant attract more votes than the PNM ?

p.s. I sure sombeody going to ask why the COP cant get more votes too, my response the COP isnt the one whining about how another party makingt them lose.

[Dispatcher]

Reality Check UNC supporters.
why cant the UNCA attract more votes than the PNM ? why is the UNCA unable to attract more COP votes ?

Reality check COP supporter.

Why cant the COP attract more votes than the PNM ? Why is the COP unable to attract more UNC votes ?

COP has about 10% UNC votes 3% PNM votes and 5% fencesitter votes.


you cant win the election without COP support. but after 2 years of bashing Dookeran and the middle class and knife and fork Indians, you not going to get it.

Reality check. COP can't win an election at all. But don't be surprised if the UNCA pull off a victory from the jaws of defeat. At least they are closer to the winning line than COP will ever be.


Maybe instead of calling the man a corpse you might have ...apologized to him for telling him to leave ? but no. alyuh make demands and threats.

Appologised? For what he was trying to do to the party? Sidelining its core members, including Kamla, to bring in his own recycled NAR henchmen as his puppets. The executive had no option but to pass a motion of no confidence in him.

And people like you fall for his sop sad story of being kicked out nonsense. He made his bed of thorns and that where his political career wil lie after these elections.


and now alyuh blaming COP for a PNM victory. but ask yourself first if the UNCA so great, why the UNCA cant attract more votes than the PNM ?

Are you so politically naive? Do you need a reality check?

This country is racially divided almost equally into 2 major ethnic group. The tradition is for one group to support one party and another the other party. Its a shame, but that is the reality.

If the group that supports party X splits then a certain percentage of voters will be lost from X. Y will still have its main base. X is weakened and hence cannot compete with Y.

So the reality is PNM still has it based supporters whereas the UNC support has been split by Dookeran. That is the reason at this point the UNC cannot attract more support than the PNM. Simple logic. Think about it.


p.s. I sure sombeody going to ask why the COP cant get more votes too, my response the COP isnt the one whining about how another party makingt them lose.

The COP is boasting about winning the elections. Up to this morning in the Guardian they claiming to have 80% of the UNC votes and 30% of the PNM votes.

The UNCA are being realistic. They are not living on Cloud nine like COP is. They have done their maths and realised that in marginal seats where the difference between winning and losing is 200-400 votes, the votes that follows COP will result in the PNM taking those seats.

It's not about whining. It's about being rational, seeing the situation for what it actually is and acting on the analysis.

So instead of COP supporters continually moaning about the UNCA's requests for accomadation, they should get their heads out of the clouds and get a reality check.

[Scorpio]

If the NActa Poll is right, then TNT is doomed to always be ruled by either Manning or Panday until they both die .

[Parsifal]

If the NActa Poll is right, then TNT is doomed to always be ruled by either Manning or Panday until they both die .

I agree with your position on Panday but not on Manning. I have written at length that I believe that Patrick Manning has no intention of remaining in office until he dies. I sincerely believe that he will demit office before the 2012 elections as well.

[Scorpio]

If the NActa Poll is right, then TNT is doomed to always be ruled by either Manning or Panday until they both die .

I agree with your position on Panday but not on Manning. I have written at length that I believe that Patrick Manning has no intention of remaining in office until he dies. I sincerely believe that he will demit office before the 2012 elections as well.


Who do you see suceeding Manning ?

[Parsifal]

If the NActa Poll is right, then TNT is doomed to always be ruled by either Manning or Panday until they both die .

I agree with your position on Panday but not on Manning. I have written at length that I believe that Patrick Manning has no intention of remaining in office until he dies. I sincerely believe that he will demit office before the 2012 elections as well.


Who do you see suceeding Manning ?

Keith Rowley. He certainly has the support of the membership. Right now he is the most popular person in the PNM by far. More than Patrick Manning in my opinion.

Like RLM in the UNC he made his power grab too early. He miscalculated Parick Manning's hold on the party and most importantly the support of the Women's League who dominate the party groups and hence provide the delegates for the PNM conventions. This was how Patrick Manning kept control in 1996 with the assistance of Joan Yuille Williams. Now yo understand why only she and Lenny Saith act as PM when Patrick Manning travels.

Keith Rowley certainly has the charisma and swagger necessary. The Landate affair has not hurt him in the PNM but has certainly tarnished his image somewhat nationally. Not irretrievably but damaged nevertheless.

[Maccogirl]

PNM don't need a leader after Manning they can put anyone in that place their people will support them, their base will not shake that is a fact. As for the Indian vote well thy like crabs in a barrel everyone feels they better than the other, everyone wants to fight to be leader,everyone knows what is good for the Indian people and T&T they would rather mash up their base than unite and Manning knows this, the African people know this, African seem to be a lot more matured and in tune to the politics of this land and the importance of protecting your base, that is why PNM need not worry about a leader after Manning whoever they select their base and party supporters will be there when needed.

[King B]

Meanwhile...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/PikachuMan/Joke-boy1.jpg

Can't wait for Nov. 6th :D :D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sumana]

Reality Check: UNCA Motorcade Rally 300+ cars and big truck
Manohar can't even pull 6 with a big truck

[Maccogirl]

Sumana I just hear about that but girl what can I say the COP has 80% of the UNCA base and 80% of the PNM own , so doh study no motorcade girl the COP winning :roll: :roll:

[Sumana]

Right right sorry about that...my friend still waiting to give Manohar a jersey tho :D

[JPersad]

oh peanut, you just read my mind posting this :lol: :lol: :lol:


VERY interesting.

You know, a british labour party person once said to me....you have to stay in the party and change it from within.

Maybe some of the COP should have stayed with their respective parties and tried to make it work?

This is Trinidad , not England .
Things waaaaaaay different !

[JPersad]

If the PNM wins, or even worse - gets a constitutional majority, just remember to thank the COP.
Like yuh forget is Panday and RLM who have PNM in power now or what ?

[Dispatcher]

Like yuh forget is Panday and RLM who have PNM in power now or what ?

So because two people you dislike make a mistake its now OK for you to be part of the same mistake being made again.

Such logic is the height of dotishness.

[Sumana]

Reality Check: 500+ cars now in UNC Motorcade
8 in Gillians in St Joseph
20 in Ganga's
No one hearing about Manohar nemore

[saltwater]

Well any station bringing it live.

[TheLight]

I just want to tell Roy Augustus yes UNCA supporters are worms, the same worms are going to feed on the Corpse and destroy it once and for all.

And to Anand Ramlowgan is not the same “backward ******s” votes you need to win

[Maccogirl]

How come the COP supporters on here not crying shame on Roy and Anand?? Strange the word CORPSE always so offend them but being called worms and backward co*lies is acceptable, all yuh ent notice how the clean cut party now getting down to the dirty politics that they love to say UNCA and PNM does practice :lol: :lol: Even Dooks using words like Destroy UNC, Destroy Manning and the PNM, ah go deal with them and so on :D :D like new politics turn old quick eh :D :D :D :D :D

[slick]

The COP crumbling as we speak.
They can't handle reality.
Now that their dream was shattered by the massive crowd in Mid Centre Mall, they grasping at straws, resorting to insults and doing almost anything to try and get some semblance of support.
All the new politics talk get flushed down the toilet with the COP dream of winning 41 seats.

And thank you Dispatcher for your fine explanation of the dotishness that is COP.


So because two people you dislike make a mistake its now OK for you to be part of the same mistake being made again.

Such logic is the height of dotishness.

[Somebody007]

I just want to tell Roy Augustus yes UNCA supporters are worms, the same worms are going to feed on the Corpse and destroy it once and for all.

And to Anand Ramlowgan is not the same “backward ******s” votes you need to win



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[Somebody007]

PNM don't need a leader after Manning they can put anyone in that place their people will support them, their base will not shake that is a fact. As for the Indian vote well thy like crabs in a barrel everyone feels they better than the other, everyone wants to fight to be leader,everyone knows what is good for the Indian people and T&T they would rather mash up their base than unite and Manning knows this, the African people know this, African seem to be a lot more matured and in tune to the politics of this land and the importance of protecting your base, that is why PNM need not worry about a leader after Manning whoever they select their base and party supporters will be there when needed.


;) ;)

[Somebody007]

Can't wait for Nov. 6th :D :D



But aye aye, PNMites celebrating already? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

What trouble is this.

Take care you don't see this instead

http://xs320.xs.to/xs320/07410/Ramesh.jpg


Ah doh like this picture...... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[slick]

COP gone to the dumps now, they can't handle the pressure. The COP ship sinking and the crew crumbling under the pressure.

Today Anil Roberts was on 106fm Morning Panchayte and fuss he couldn't take the heat he resorted to throwing insults. Imagine he ask Dr. Rambachan where he buy his doctorate? :shock:

COP is the ones eating their own vomit. Talking about new politics and how they so upstanding and then going on public radio and insulting people.

[scrunter]

If the PNM wins, or even worse - gets a constitutional majority, just remember to thank the COP.

The problem is that they hate Panday so much that they would rather see the country go to the dogs than have a Warner/Panday/Maharaj and hopefully Bissesar led government. The same people who did so much for the country at a time when the oil price averaged $15. People who did nothing to threaten the democracy of the land.


So why we cyar thank de alliance if de PNM gets a constitutional majority.

[peanut]

Since there will be no accommodation to stop the PNM, oone of them will have to stand aside and bow out of the election. Who do you think should be .... the UNC who is sure to capture at least 16 seats or the COP who will get not a damn seat?

[Scorpio]

Pnut, I'll use your words i just read on another thread : ALL THIS IRRELEVANT NOW !!

[JPersad]

Since there will be no accommodation to stop the PNM, oone of them will have to stand aside and bow out of the election. Who do you think should be .... the UNC who is sure to capture at least 16 seats or the COP who will get not a damn seat?
UNC going to have less seats than the presently do .
Good for you if you believe all the UNC hype with their rent ah crowd
(Just look at all the orange t shirts in front of the stage (

[cm103]

Since there will be no accommodation to stop the PNM, oone of them will have to stand aside and bow out of the election. Who do you think should be .... the UNC who is sure to capture at least 16 seats or the COP who will get not a damn seat?

Yes, lets not vote for what we believe is right. Lets take your advice and vote for the party who will receive the seats because everyone likes a winner.

Panday didn't win his first election either but he started something that lasted longer than just one election. Its sad to see him holding on like this since I backed him since the club 88 days but times change and people do too.

This breakaway party has him worried more than any of the others that came around before and just maybe they will be around for the next election. Time alone will tell.

[peanut]

And I suppose only Dookeran and COP is right? Ah rather vote for Manning.

[JPersad]

And I suppose only Dookeran and COP is right? Ah rather vote for Manning.

What stopping you ?
Manning ....Panday same difference .

[cm103]

And I suppose only Dookeran and COP is right? Ah rather vote for Manning.


Go ahead, its your right. Panday and Manning both too much in love with the PM job to actually be doing this for the people anymore.

[vaio]

a lot of ppl rather vote for Patos instead of Dooks and Bas....the PNM destroying both because they only out to destroy each other (Bas n Dooks) :geek:

[Parsifal]

COP gone to the dumps now, they can't handle the pressure. The COP ship sinking and the crew crumbling under the pressure.

Today Anil Roberts was on 106fm Morning Panchayte and fuss he couldn't take the heat he resorted to throwing insults. Imagine he ask Dr. Rambachan where he buy his doctorate? :shock:

COP is the ones eating their own vomit. Talking about new politics and how they so upstanding and then going on public radio and insulting people.

Slick it got even nastier last evening when Anil Roberts was on his own programme on Power 102.

He kept on referring to Dr. Rambachan as "Sewage Rambachan".

He called him an ignoramus and stupid.

If this is the kind of crowd that is representative of the "new politics" then they are truly in a mess.

I cry for my country :cry:

More and more the PNM is looking like the only credible alternative this election.

[slick]

Hmmm. I'm reminded of a COP caller I heard on Plain Talk October 15th program.
She said she would rather lose under the COP than win under the UNC. What was interesting though was that she also said she would rather see PNM win than the UNC.
The COP is really full of hate and its supporters are basically out to destroy the UNC and don't really care about issues, all that is on their mind is destroying the UNC.
I'd rather vote for a real political organisation like the UNC Alliance over a "I hate UNC" fanclub aka the COP.

[Dispatcher]

Slick, that’s all I'm hearing from the CoP. Hatred of certain personalities and that is all their arguments seem to revolve around. Of course the reasons are they mash up the party in the past and they could do it again.

They want certain people to go before they can consider unity. Don't they realise that the people they want to go are the ones leveraging the base and support?

They keep saying Panday kick out Dooks. They saying they want Kamla. They ain't realise that Kamla and then acting chairman Bharath were part of the executive that moved the no confidence motion in Dookeran?

They doh like Warner. Why? Because Warner was initially on Dooks and Yetming side when the internal elections took place and Yetming initially won, but the the recount showed some disrepancy with a batch of votes not being included so when recounted the result was reversed.

When presented with the evidence Warner changed his tune and sided with the Panday faction. Yetming decided to pack his pack and go and continued to influence Dookeran in forming the ex-NAR party they were so keen on creating within the UNC.

As a result a hate campaign against Jack, Panday, now Ramesh has evolved from within the heart of the Cop and this has surely influenced so many blinding them to the bigger picture.

[peanut]

Dispatch, The COP problem is, they honestly believe they had mash up the UNC and the crowd at Woodford Square convinced them of that and the hatred never manifested itself to this extent until they saw the crowds at the UNC rally. Experienced people in politics will tell you crowd doh mean votes or crowds are an optical illusion unless it turns into votes.

COP supporters well advised to inform their Leaders to take their focus off the UNC and concentrate of wooing back the supporters that are going back to the UNC or they will not just lose every seat, but their deposits too.

[JPersad]

Dispatch, The COP problem is, they honestly believe they had mash up the UNC and the crowd at Woodford Square convinced them of that and the hatred never manifested itself to this extent until they saw the crowds at the UNC rally. Experienced people in politics will tell you crowd doh mean votes or crowds are an optical illusion unless it turns into votes. I agree , but I do recall the"hugh " UNC crowd got you so excited you climaxed right back into the UNC !( No love lost .That is your democratic right .)
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COP supporters well advised to inform their Leaders to take their focus off the UNC and concentrate of wooing back the supporters that are going back to the UNC or they will not just lose every seat, but their deposits too..COP agrees that their a good people in the UNC ,but COP wants nothing to do with Basdeo Panday .
COP focus right now is on crime and effective law enforcement for the safety and security of the nation .

[peanut]

[quote="JPersad"]I agree , but I do recall the"hugh " UNC crowd got you so excited you climaxed right back into the UNC !( No love lost .That is your democratic right .)


JP, let me say this quite candidly, if I am ever to be influenced to support a Political Party .. the only Party I will support is the PNM. for not only will my bread be buttered on both sides, I will have a nice cuppa hot chocolate to go with it.

[JPersad]

Thankfully I was never indebted to any party and neither do I intend to be indebted to any party .