COP Hypocrisy

[King B]

After years of bashing both CEPEP and URP guess what Dooks was quoted as saying in yesterday's Express? "When we win we will continue both CEPEP and URP." I really have to laugh at these people yes; after years of bashing they are now admitting that the programs are necessary :roll: to alleviate poverty. Steups!

[Maccogirl]

What you mean Ganga will let the pigs feed for the meal now....surprising!!! :lol:

[vaio]

and d unc's take on this is..........?

[lou_uk]

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[King B]

It is really sad to watch these people talk out of one side of their mouth for years and then make a complete about face when they have to face the electorate. They know the programs are sorely needed, even though I will admit that they both need tweeking, but they will still bash it just for the sake of politics. Same with the housing, the same with free medicine and almost every other PNM program that has greatly improved this country. Why cant they just give credit where it is due and attack the PNM on real issues?

[lou_uk]

Dookeran has also said he will continue free tertiary education and everything else that is good from the present administration.

"Five years, $200 billion spent and they have nothing to show for it"

"When allyuh PNM people not taking up the opportunites allyuh PNM Government provided, the opposition people taking them, and still voting allyuh tail out."

[deathwinger]

With all due respect King B, free tertiary education and the CDAP programs were already planned before Manning took office. They just take credit for it.

However, CEPEP is all Manning's idea though. But that was actually created to fuel the 'dependency' syndrome. If you really wanted to help people, you'd teach them a skill, not have them clean the same drain every day.

I think this is the idea for CEPEP if another party wins though, to actually make it practical and quit possibly, gain some revenue from its actions as well as have individuals who don't have a criminal record run it.

Manning claims this is the evolution of CEPEP, however, the last thing that he would want is to have his voting base move from 'dependency' to 'independent thinkers' as well as 'middle-class' cause god FORBID! They might just see through his bull and not vote him next time, or even worse, create a splinter party from the PNM.

[Vampire_Princess]

HE HAS A POINT THOUGH! It is hypocrisy.


The COP has either:

1) scared that they lose votes if people think they will cut CEPEP/URP
2) realised that the programmes are needed for employment and need to be retained.


The first possible reason is highly worrying, as does it mean they will promise anything to win votes at this stage? Where are all these high principles COP meant to be founded on.

The second is still bad....it is easy to be in opposition, but to be in gov't you have to understand how things actually work.

[Sirius]

You have to understand how things work whether u in govt or opposition. The opposition is supposed to keep the government in check, not sit there and oppose for opposition sake.

Now that said, I want to throw something out there for consideration. After the Manning administration has instituted CEPEP, and prior administrations instituted URP, they have become a part of the system. To remove it will put thousands on the breadline. Any new party coming into power will HAVE to keep these programmes running. If they want to make the populace self sufficient they will have to downscale them gradually over the course of time as measures are installed to ensure that people no longer need to fall back on CEPEP/URP. They cannot just walk into office and axe these programmes.

So with that in mind, I'd like to add another option to VP's list:
3) understand that to wean people off CEPEP/URP, these programmes will simply have to be continued for the time being until enough people no longer need them to fall back on.

[sam48]

Folks,
While I agree that a new govt should not stop these programs immediately,it seems that the PNM is content tohave them run indefinitely. The problem is that they are recurrent expenditure with no returns to the treasury and can only be sustained as long as the oil and gas boom continues. The participants have not demonstrated any serious intentions to treat these programs as stop gap measures on the way to getting out through obtaining the education and or skills needed to obtain other meaningful steady employment. These programs will have to stop eventually and then what? Remember what was done to Caroni Ltd although it was a foreign exchange earner. This is worse these programmes earn nothing but votes for the PNM.

[peanut]

I wonder when you people will realize exactly what is about to take place in T&T if the PNM gets a special majority?

Manning will not need CEPEP and URP workers any more people so those programmes will be no more. Manning has plans to dismantle them.

So go brave, ah promise all yuh this .. who doh hear will feel as Manning give you all the bread made from the dough that the devil knead.

[nobellium]

This is a bunch of BS now...the PNM is the only entity that would put thousands from a single industry on the breadline overnight...No other right thinking political party could ever do that again...

And King , wasn't it the PNM who promised to revitalise the sugar industry...?
Mr Dookeran could say and do what he want , Manning et al are in a baseless class on their own.

An attempt at cheap political points.

[Maccogirl]

I did alway tell them months now if Dooks was the win the election look how he would be living in the PM house, farting in the PM pool and you would not hear one word about the house going up for sale, you see how quickly he change is mind on CEPEP well he going to change his mind on the big concrete building in POS also, just like the COP says they for youth and look at they youth office no other than Alloy Lequay and old derelict from God know where :lol: :lol: Lequay a Youth?? :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh god the COP is rather entertaining :lol: :lol:

[JPersad]

Seems as though Manning and Panday have a pact .
Manning will remain PM and Bas as Opposition leader , as long as they both try to destroy COP !

[Maccogirl]

Jp no one destroy the COP, the PNM and UNCA fighting their election that is what they supposed to do, in all fairness I don't see the other two parties doing anything to hamper the COP from campaigning or going about the road or having meeting so you should not say anyone trying to destroy the COP.

It's not anyone fault if the COP maybe went out of the box too early, its not anyone fault if their meeting are getting smaller, or their financiers may be getting a bit gun shy now. For weeks the COP had the run of the media with full page ads, radio ads their own Calypso, they were the first of the parties to have their grand rally and even a launch of the COP, no one got in their way.

The had full use of the media bashing Panday and the PNM, they washed all their dirty linen in public, they were enrolling people so they said while the other two parties did nothing just looked on, they played their selves in Parliament, the bash Panday, they upstage the opposition leader they were allowed to do what ever they wanted no one stopped them.

So it is totally unfair to the both UNC and PNM want to destroy the COP, whatever is happening to them now its of their own doing and they can't blame anyone or any other party for that, they have to shoulder their own blame my friend if things don't work out for them.

[JPersad]

Jp no one destroy the COP, the PNM and UNCA fighting their election that is what they supposed to do, in all fairness I don't see the other two parties doing anything to hamper the COP from campaigning or going about the road or having meeting so you should not say anyone trying to destroy the COP.

It's not anyone fault if the COP maybe went out of the box too early, its not anyone fault if their meeting are getting smaller, or their financiers may be getting a bit gun shy now. For weeks the COP had the run of the media with full page ads, radio ads their own Calypso, they were the first of the parties to have their grand rally and even a launch of the COP, no one got in their way.

The had full use of the media bashing Panday and the PNM, they washed all their dirty linen in public, they were enrolling people so they said while the other two parties did nothing just looked on, they played their selves in Parliament, the bash Panday, they upstage the opposition leader they were allowed to do what ever they wanted no one stopped them.

So it is totally unfair to the both UNC and PNM want to destroy the COP, whatever is happening to them now its of their own doing and they can't blame anyone or any other party for that, they have to shoulder their own blame my friend if things don't work out for them.
No matter how hard alyuh try , COP will not be destroyed .
When the dust settles , Panday will destroy the UNC !

[King B]

Now I see Selby Wilson in the paper saying that COP will continue the Vision 2020 initiatives. This has got to be a joke now. Clearly new politics now means "conitnue what the PNM was doing in the first place even though we bad talking it for years". :roll:

I just hope COP supporters are appropriately outraged at being deceived when their party does not win any seats. Not a damn seat fuh dem!

[lou_uk]

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[cm103]

Now I see Selby Wilson in the paper saying that COP will continue the Vision 2020 initiatives. This has got to be a joke now. Clearly new politics now means "conitnue what the PNM was doing in the first place even though we bad talking it for years". :roll:

I just hope COP supporters are appropriately outraged at being deceived when their party does not win any seats. Not a damn seat fuh dem!

The initiatives are not all necessarily a bad thing. I mean who wouldn't want developed country status in the next 12 years? Its the methods the PNM is taking to get there that are the real issue.

[lou_uk]

Hamel-Smith said something similar a few weeks aback. He was in favour of the document but thought it did not indicate benchmarks.

After listening the COP over the last few months, I have heard Dookeran saying that PNM used to send spies (who sat at the back of their cottage meetings) to take the COP's ideas. That is contrary to the usual idea that the PNM does not listen to anybody.

[cm103]

Hamel-Smith said something similar a few weeks aback. He was in favour of the document but thought it did not indicate benchmarks.

After listening the COP over the last few months, I have heard Dookeran saying that PNM used to send spies (who sat at the back of their cottage meetings) to take the COP's ideas. That is contrary to the usual idea that the PNM does not listen to anybody.

As an attendee of some of these meetings held in current PNM strongholds I can say that there was probably some merit to what Dookeran said about the spies. I only went to a couple but I know people who were at a lot and some things discussed only in the meetings would eventually end up as a government new plan or idea.

Hell of a coincidence.

[nikkidan]

you all now realise dookeran is a hypocrite?
the other night he was complaining about the palace manning built for himself, and then when an audience member shouted and said..
"dais fuh you!!!"

she smiled put his hands in the air and said

"and you will all celebrate with me there on November 5th"

:arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

[Vampire_Princess]

Now I see Selby Wilson in the paper saying that COP will continue the Vision 2020 initiatives. This has got to be a joke now. Clearly new politics now means "conitnue what the PNM was doing in the first place even though we bad talking it for years". :roll:

I just hope COP supporters are appropriately outraged at being deceived when their party does not win any seats. Not a damn seat fuh dem!


Selby cares about the environment. What he doing dere is called "recycling" :lol: :lol:

[nikkidan]

Now I see Selby Wilson in the paper saying that COP will continue the Vision 2020 initiatives. This has got to be a joke now. Clearly new politics now means "conitnue what the PNM was doing in the first place even though we bad talking it for years". :roll:

I just hope COP supporters are appropriately outraged at being deceived when their party does not win any seats. Not a damn seat fuh dem!

under all seriousness, vision 2020 is a long term policy, which has worked in other countries
to stop it at this stage would be foolish.
the policy is a good one, the execution of it thus far is where the issues are I think.

let's not be cheeky here, if for example the Telecommunications policy of which the Government of Trinidad and Tobago signed an international treaty, which would make information (aka internet) accessible to a sizable majority of the population by 2010, and plans are in train now, as part of the vision 2020 policy, would you expect that new faces which represent an institution(the government) would violate international treaties.

i don't see the hypocrisy in that, especially when i haven't heard any outright criticism about 2020 as an idea from cop. the only thing i've heard is "well its a copycat from malaysia" but we know this already...

cop is hypocritical on a lot of other things...not that.

what i would say that people need to be wary of is if a man who aspires to represent ALL, could say that he is refusing to talk to particular people..that says a lot about his attitude and petty nature. You cannot be so overtly petty on one hand and then try to look magnaminous on the other..thats rank hypocrisy.