PNM in power because of the UNC .

[JPersad]

Because RLM was kicked out by Bas , the PNM was able to win the folowing election .No ifs ands or buts.That is fact !

Will it happen again ?
Think about it voters .

[Maccogirl]

JP how you posting PNM in power because of UNC, I thought COP winning the elections :D at least COP saying so then we have nothing to worry about eh and they going it alone I say go brave man take the fight to the PNM allyuh going good :D

[skl]

JP how you posting PNM in power because of UNC, I thought COP winning the elections :D at least COP saying so then we have nothing to worry about eh and they going it alone I say go brave man take the fight to the PNM allyuh going good :D


soooo JP talking about 2001/02 election. Macco avoid that and start on about COP which didnt exist then.

Isnt that called ducking and running?

[slayerdave]

Because RLM was kicked out by Bas , the PNM was able to win the folowing election .No ifs ands or buts.That is fact !

Will it happen again ?
Think about it voters .

J (not for Jenny) UNC-A kicking out Ramesh again? :D

[King B]

Just accept that the PNM is the more politically savvy party and has been running rings around the UNC, and everyone else, for years. The UNC never had a chance.

[vaio]

agreed... ppl gave UNC a chance and voted them into power... the power hungry struggle for leadership in the unc and RLM taking papers and running to Patos to have charges laid against Bas... how could most of those ppl ever vote UNC again into power... yes they have the grassroot support who don't see no problem with RLM...

Let's just say suppose by some glorious miracle that the unc win... the same thing will happen again and Patos will be voted into power again one year later..

[cm103]

Let's just say suppose by some glorious miracle that the unc win... the same thing will happen again and Patos will be voted into power again one year later..

That's true, Panday can't hold together a coalition and Jack ent go handle any kinda pressure diplomatically. If Panday's retrial takes any kind of bad turn then we at the polls and Patos getting his special majority in a year.

A house built on sand will fall.

[JediKnight]

agreed... ppl gave UNC a chance and voted them into power... the power hungry struggle for leadership in the unc and RLM taking papers and running to Patos to have charges laid against Bas... how could most of those ppl ever vote UNC again into power... yes they have the grassroot support who don't see no problem with RLM...

Let's just say suppose by some glorious miracle that the unc win... the same thing will happen again and Patos will be voted into power again one year later..

Errr, no! Robinson gave UNC ah chance in 1995 when it was 17-17-2. And therein lies the problem... the grassroots. What they don't realise is that Panday accusing the COP of being a knife and fork indian party, but are there any grassroots, alias, non-knife and fork indians, in the hierarchy of the UNC? If Panday was so against knife and fork indians, why did he send all his children to knife and fork universities? UWI wasn't good enough? And that is the problem, he wants to keep his people as grassroots so that he could manipulate them! The minute they get a lil education they are able to see right through that. That is why COP is popular amongst the youth. The grassroots worked hard to educate their children so that they can be freed of the bondage that their parents grew up in.

[reno01tt]

agreed... ppl gave UNC a chance and voted them into power... the power hungry struggle for leadership in the unc and RLM taking papers and running to Patos to have charges laid against Bas... how could most of those ppl ever vote UNC again into power... yes they have the grassroot support who don't see no problem with RLM...

Let's just say suppose by some glorious miracle that the unc win... the same thing will happen again and Patos will be voted into power again one year later..

Errr, no! Robinson gave UNC ah chance in 1995 when it was 17-17-2. And therein lies the problem... the grassroots. What they don't realise is that Panday accusing the COP of being a knife and fork indian party, but are there any grassroots, alias, non-knife and fork indians, in the hierarchy of the UNC? If Panday was so against knife and fork indians, why did he send all his children to knife and fork universities? UWI wasn't good enough? And that is the problem, he wants to keep his people as grassroots so that he could manipulate them! The minute they get a lil education they are able to see right through that. That is why COP is popular amongst the youth. The grassroots worked hard to educate their children so that they can be freed of the bondage that their parents grew up in.

I believe herein lies the make or break of the COP. Are the people(young Voters in particular) educated enough to shake off the chains of the UNC and PNM, are they willing to settle for promises of grand cities and world class conference centers while they have to wade in thier own filth to get out of their homes. Do we have the balls to stand up and say UNC didn't work,PNM didn't work, lets see someone elses plan, which must include economic sustainability,with upward mobility.

[JPersad]

JP how you posting PNM in power because of UNC, I thought COP winning the elections :D at least COP saying so then we have nothing to worry about eh and they going it alone I say go brave man take the fight to the PNM allyuh going good :D
Skirting the issue .... typical of Panday die hards !
I repeat ..PNM is in power because of the UNC .

No matter which way you look at it.

[vaio]

but will the youth see it like this and will it be enough to make a change?

[JPersad]

but will the youth see it like this and will it be enough to make a change?
Many of the younger and educated voters see it like this .
Whether it is enough to neutralize the older and diminishing die hard Panday supporters , we will see on Election Day .

[Maccogirl]

Why do you all always act as if its only the COP have youth?? So the PNM and UNCA have no youth following lord all yuh good yes keep dreaming, take a look at Dookeran face man, the man looking beaten and tired, COP supporters and spoke persons getting caustic and nasty now the starting to unravel at the seams, while Patrick, Bas and Jack smiling :roll:

[JPersad]

Why do you all always act as if its only the COP have youth?? So the PNM and UNCA have no youth following lord all yuh good yes keep dreaming, take a look at Dookeran face man, the man looking beaten and tired, COP supporters and spoke persons getting caustic and nasty now the starting to unravel at the seams, while Patrick, Bas and Jack smiling :roll:
Because of Panday , the PNM is in power today !
That is all .

[skl]

Why do you all always act as if its only the COP have youth?? So the PNM and UNCA have no youth following lord all yuh good yes keep dreaming, take a look at Dookeran face man, the man looking beaten and tired, COP supporters and spoke persons getting caustic and nasty now the starting to unravel at the seams, while Patrick, Bas and Jack smiling :roll:


the only person who acting caustic and nasty is you.

[Maccogirl]

I was not on the one on Inshan show last night saying Patrick the Emperor living by the Emperor Valley zoo, I was not the one with Yetming when he looked like the wanted to cuff down Julien Rogers on the talk program because Rogers was asking him how he could say COP winning the election still, stop pretending man people looking at the main players in the COP, people getting turn off unfortunately Dookeran being such a soft leader cannot take control of these people and that is going to be his downfall.

[JPersad]

I was not on the one on Inshan show last night saying Patrick the Emperor living by the Emperor Valley zoo, I was not the one with Yetming when he looked like the wanted to cuff down Julien Rogers on the talk program because Rogers was asking him how he could say COP winning the election still, stop pretending man people looking at the main players in the COP, people getting turn off unfortunately Dookeran being such a soft leader cannot take control of these people and that is going to be his downfall.
So who are these wicked people labeling the COPs as corpse [/b]?

[Dispatcher]

Why do you all always act as if its only the COP have youth?? So the PNM and UNCA have no youth following lord all yuh good yes keep dreaming, take a look at Dookeran face man, the man looking beaten and tired, COP supporters and spoke persons getting caustic and nasty now the starting to unravel at the seams, while Patrick, Bas and Jack smiling :roll:
Because of Panday , the PNM is in power today !
That is all .

I thought it was because of Robinson give the governtment to PNM in 2001 when UNC had the majority popular vote that the PNM is in power.

[JPersad]

Why do you all always act as if its only the COP have youth?? So the PNM and UNCA have no youth following lord all yuh good yes keep dreaming, take a look at Dookeran face man, the man looking beaten and tired, COP supporters and spoke persons getting caustic and nasty now the starting to unravel at the seams, while Patrick, Bas and Jack smiling :roll:
Because of Panday , the PNM is in power today !
That is all .

I thought it was because of Robinson give the governtment to PNM in 2001 when UNC had the majority popular vote that the PNM is in power.
But if Panday was such a good leader as many of you claim , he would have won the subsequent election.
Obviously that did not happen.

[Maccogirl]

JP be serious calling a person a corpse is mild to come on national tv and tell people that the PM of this country is now an Emperor and he living in the Emperor Valley ZOO, regardless of what the man is PM of this country so what you saying he is either a animal or a monkey which one, lets not dance around the subject we who heard it all know what he was trying to say.

You feel I don;t have friends in T&T that are not of my race? You really feel that they did not take offense to that, as he said it my phone ran when a good friend of mine asked me what the hell is this man trying to say and is the COP now taking this line, get real man that nonsense offended people, it may not offend you but it sure as hell offended others.

[Dispatcher]

I was not on the one on Inshan show last night saying Patrick the Emperor living by the Emperor Valley zoo, I was not the one with Yetming when he looked like the wanted to cuff down Julien Rogers on the talk program because Rogers was asking him how he could say COP winning the election still, stop pretending man people looking at the main players in the COP, people getting turn off unfortunately Dookeran being such a soft leader cannot take control of these people and that is going to be his downfall.
So who are these wicked people labeling the COPs as corpse [/b]?

But you have to admit its a good play on words when you also realise that COP not winning any seats.

This is T'dad you have to take some picong, you cyah play mas and not get some paint. That's not wicked.

[JPersad]

JP be serious calling a person a corpse is mild to come on national tv and tell people that the PM of this country is now an Emperor and he living in the Emperor Valley ZOO, regardless of what the man is PM of this country so what you saying he is either a animal or a monkey which one, lets not dance around the subject we who heard it all know what he was trying to say.

You feel I don;t have friends in T&T that are not of my race? You really feel that they did not take offense to that, as he said it my phone ran when a good friend of mine asked me what the hell is this man trying to say and is the COP now taking this line, get real man that nonsense offended people, it may not offend you but it sure as hell offended others.
Is a small lie better than a big lie ?

[Maccogirl]

Jp look I live here and I am not a racial person I have friend of all races I not in that nonsene, say Manning is a dictator, he give his wife a work , and so on but when you start to go in that direction I not in that, I know exactly where Inshan was going with that line and if I was a supporter of the COP well that would of been it for me I was going out and vote PNM.

[Dispatcher]

[quote="JPersadBut if Panday was such a good leader as many of you claim , he would have won the subsequent election.
Obviously that did not happen.[/quote]

Nobody saying Panday is such a good leader or trying to equate to some messiah. We just saying the call for unity should be accepted for the good of the nation. And the only people stopping that is COP leaders.

Maybe you weren't in T'dad but the PNM in power pulled out the resources of the state and other entities like the Musilmeen to ensure they won the subsequent elections.

[vaio]

[quote="
Maybe you weren't in T'dad but the PNM in power pulled out the resources of the state and other entities like the Musilmeen to ensure they won the subsequent elections.

Like yuh have court clothes :twisted:

[JediKnight]

JP be serious calling a person a corpse is mild to come on national tv and tell people that the PM of this country is now an Emperor and he living in the Emperor Valley ZOO, regardless of what the man is PM of this country so what you saying he is either a animal or a monkey which one, lets not dance around the subject we who heard it all know what he was trying to say.

You feel I don;t have friends in T&T that are not of my race? You really feel that they did not take offense to that, as he said it my phone ran when a good friend of mine asked me what the hell is this man trying to say and is the COP now taking this line, get real man that nonsense offended people, it may not offend you but it sure as hell offended others.

So it shift from livin by the zoo to livin in de zoo? I did not see the show, but which is it? The fact is he is living by the zoo, as is the President. And ah suppose it was okay for Panday to call Hulsie pancake face? Inshan is not the leader of the COP, but unfortunately Panday is the leader of the UNC!

[JPersad]

[quote="JPersadBut if Panday was such a good leader as many of you claim , he would have won the subsequent election.
Obviously that did not happen.

Nobody saying Panday is such a good leader or trying to equate to some messiah. We just saying the call for unity should be accepted for the good of the nation. And the only people stopping that is COP leaders.

Maybe you weren't in T'dad but the PNM in power pulled out the resources of the state and other entities like the Musilmeen to ensure they won the subsequent elections.[/quote]
I disagree .
A significant amount of anti PNM supporters got fed up with Panday and his back stabbing ways and abstained from voting .As a protest vote , some even voted for the PNM.

[vaio]

[quote="JPersad"][quote="Dispatcher"]

Nobody saying Panday is such a good leader or trying to equate to some messiah. We just saying the call for unity should be accepted for the good of the nation. And the only people stopping that is COP leaders.

this is ah call not for unity for the good of the nation but so that Bas cld get back into the PM's office and have a hell of a lot of money this time around to have his way...

[Maccogirl]

Look PNM having an entire show in the stadium dedicated to the elections, Cro Cro lashing Dooks and Panday all yuh not saying one word about that every COP supporter quiet but the thin skin COP people coming on here saying Panday called Dooks a CORPSE and we don't like that so we not joining with them.

Well when Aloes, Panther and Cro Cro done with COP and UNCA this weekend it all over but big headed people in the COP saying Panday beating them up so we cant unite...all yuh good yes

[JediKnight]

but the thin skin COP people coming on here saying Panday called Dooks a CORPSE and we don't like that so we not joining with them.



That is not the only reason. You can't say come lets talk unity in one breath then insult the man in the next. That just shows your desperation to become prime minister. The decision to unite stems from back in 2001, when Ramesh was not allowed to lead. You beg Dookeran to take over leadership then try to undermine him, insult him and tell him to go. When he does go yuh calling for him to come back. What all yuh feel it is, a game? The COP is not joining because Panday wants to control everyone and call all the shots. That is why the MPs left and formed the COP. Just another example of poor leadership. The Chandresh Sharma affair. You are willing to compromise one of your best MPs for the rubbish Sharma came up with in Parliament. There was no evidence, but you wanted Gillian to say there was. Get real. Nobody in their right mind will sacrifice Gillian over Chandresh Sharma. Panday is just a poor leader who has captivated the ignorant masses in the sugar belt, mesmerised their simple minds, held on to them to ensure he will have some power, but has never mastered the art of winning elections and holding on to Government. You must get tired of winning opposition all the time, because that is not really a win, it means you have lost the election. And so what if COP gets no seats this election. They are only a year old. After 40 years in politics Panday is right back where he started, fighting for opposition, because he cannot win an election.

[vaio]

but the thin skin COP people coming on here saying Panday called Dooks a CORPSE and we don't like that so we not joining with them.



That is not the only reason. You can't say come lets talk unity in one breath then insult the man in the next. That just shows your desperation to become prime minister. The decision to unite stems from back in 2001, when Ramesh was not allowed to lead. You beg Dookeran to take over leadership then try to undermine him, insult him and tell him to go. When he does go yuh calling for him to come back. What all yuh feel it is, a game? The COP is not joining because Panday wants to control everyone and call all the shots. That is why the MPs left and formed the COP. Just another example of poor leadership. The Chandresh Sharma affair. You are willing to compromise one of your best MPs for the rubbish Sharma came up with in Parliament. There was no evidence, but you wanted Gillian to say there was. Get real. Nobody in their right mind will sacrifice Gillian over Chandresh Sharma. Panday is just a poor leader who has captivated the ignorant masses in the sugar belt, mesmerised their simple minds, held on to them to ensure he will have some power, but has never mastered the art of winning elections and holding on to Government. You must get tired of winning opposition all the time, because that is not really a win, it means you have lost the election. And so what if COP gets no seats this election. They are only a year old. After 40 years in politics Panday is right back where he started, fighting for opposition, because he cannot win an election.

I could not have said it better myself..

i think that ppl just listen and see things conveniently. They saying let the facts speak but they looking at it through rose coloured glass esp when it comes to Bas...

Mr Pandy wants to get back into office sooooo badly that he going crazy but i shudder to think of what will happen to de man come Nov 6.. when he realise Patos stayin and he is the leader of a party so broken up yuh don't even care to pick up the pieces...

The COP is only 1 year old and their support is incredible and is not simple minded sugar workers supporting this party but intelligent ppl - who no longer fooled by Bas an he ole talks... enough is enough bas!! :x

[Parsifal]

agreed... ppl gave UNC a chance and voted them into power... the power hungry struggle for leadership in the unc and RLM taking papers and running to Patos to have charges laid against Bas... how could most of those ppl ever vote UNC again into power... yes they have the grassroot support who don't see no problem with RLM...

Let's just say suppose by some glorious miracle that the unc win... the same thing will happen again and Patos will be voted into power again one year later..

Errr, no! Robinson gave UNC ah chance in 1995 when it was 17-17-2. And therein lies the problem... the grassroots. What they don't realise is that Panday accusing the COP of being a knife and fork indian party, but are there any grassroots, alias, non-knife and fork indians, in the hierarchy of the UNC? If Panday was so against knife and fork indians, why did he send all his children to knife and fork universities? UWI wasn't good enough? And that is the problem, he wants to keep his people as grassroots so that he could manipulate them! The minute they get a lil education they are able to see right through that. That is why COP is popular amongst the youth. The grassroots worked hard to educate their children so that they can be freed of the bondage that their parents grew up in.

The issue here is not education of the text book kind but mindset. For example. The whole talk of executive presidency is just a smoke screen because the ULF and then the UNC proposed such a position before. The UNC does not mind an executive presidency once it is not a PNM person holding the reins. If it was the UNC in power this would not even be a point for discussion. Panday has more "dicatatorial tendencies" than Manning has in the small toe of his left foot. Ramesh would be no different and you know everyone 'fraid Karl.....

The fact of the matter is that the creation of an executive presidency does not automatically mean dictatorship. This is all hubris.

Dictatorships exist only if the people allow it to happen.

Also, if we had to take a national vote with all things being equal right now with Manning, Panday and Dookeran as candidates which one will get the most votes? I think I know the answer but then the truth of it all will be too hard for some of you to stomach. :o

[skl]

The issue here is not education of the text book kind but mindset. For example. The whole talk of executive presidency is just a smoke screen because the ULF and then the UNC proposed such a position before. The UNC does not mind an executive presidency once it is not a PNM person holding the reins. If it was the UNC in power this would not even be a point for discussion. Panday has more "dicatatorial tendencies" than Manning has in the small toe of his left foot. Ramesh would be no different and you know everyone 'fraid Karl.....

The fact of the matter is that the creation of an executive presidency does not automatically mean dictatorship. This is all hubris.

Dictatorships exist only if the people allow it to happen.

Also, if we had to take a national vote with all things being equal right now with Manning, Panday and Dookeran as candidates which one will get the most votes? I think I know the answer but then the truth of it all will be too hard for some of you to stomach. :o

All executive presidencies are not the same. under the PNm proposal there would be no national vote for President. Instead he would be elected by Parliament.
Also the Senate under the proposed consitution would give a built in majority to the urban party (ie PNM) since the city/borough corporations will have more representatives than the regional corporations.

for those 2 reasons I oppose the proposed constitution.

[Parsifal]

I could not have said it better myself..

i think that ppl just listen and see things conveniently. They saying let the facts speak but they looking at it through rose coloured glass esp when it comes to Bas...

Mr Pandy wants to get back into office sooooo badly that he going crazy but i shudder to think of what will happen to de man come Nov 6.. when he realise Patos stayin and he is the leader of a party so broken up yuh don't even care to pick up the pieces...

The COP is only 1 year old and their support is incredible and is not simple minded sugar workers supporting this party but intelligent ppl - who no longer fooled by Bas an he ole talks... enough is enough bas!! :x[/quote]

Your post was going well until you made a very sad and unfortunate comment that it is " ....not simple minded sugar workers supporting this party but intelligent ppl....."

The COP is sounding just as elitist as some of its forebears....the POPPG and the ONR.

Irrespective of ones socioeconomic position we are all free to enjoy the benefits of our country and partake in its political process.

It is a mindset like what you are enunciating that differentiates between "chamaar" and "brahmin" or between "black field slave" and "light brown skinned house slave".

I think you should take back that line.

[Parsifal]

The issue here is not education of the text book kind but mindset. For example. The whole talk of executive presidency is just a smoke screen because the ULF and then the UNC proposed such a position before. The UNC does not mind an executive presidency once it is not a PNM person holding the reins. If it was the UNC in power this would not even be a point for discussion. Panday has more "dicatatorial tendencies" than Manning has in the small toe of his left foot. Ramesh would be no different and you know everyone 'fraid Karl.....

The fact of the matter is that the creation of an executive presidency does not automatically mean dictatorship. This is all hubris.

Dictatorships exist only if the people allow it to happen.

Also, if we had to take a national vote with all things being equal right now with Manning, Panday and Dookeran as candidates which one will get the most votes? I think I know the answer but then the truth of it all will be too hard for some of you to stomach. :o

All executive presidencies are not the same. under the PNm proposal there would be no national vote for President. Instead he would be elected by Parliament.
Also the Senate under the proposed consitution would give a built in majority to the urban party (ie PNM) since the city/borough corporations will have more representatives than the regional corporations.

for those 2 reasons I oppose the proposed constitution.

[vaio]

Your post was going well until you made a very sad and unfortunate comment that it is " ....not simple minded sugar workers supporting this party but intelligent ppl....."

The COP is sounding just as elitist as some of its forebears....the POPPG and the ONR.

Irrespective of ones socioeconomic position we are all free to enjoy the benefits of our country and partake in its political process.

It is a mindset like what you are enunciating that differentiates between "chamaar" and "brahmin" or between "black field slave" and "light brown skinned house slave".

I think you should take back that line.

Oops.. :oops: :oops: i actually meant that its not just simple minded sugar workers supporting this part but intelligent ppl as well... typo and i'm sorry if i unintentionally meant otherwise

[Parsifal]

The issue here is not education of the text book kind but mindset. For example. The whole talk of executive presidency is just a smoke screen because the ULF and then the UNC proposed such a position before. The UNC does not mind an executive presidency once it is not a PNM person holding the reins. If it was the UNC in power this would not even be a point for discussion. Panday has more "dicatatorial tendencies" than Manning has in the small toe of his left foot. Ramesh would be no different and you know everyone 'fraid Karl.....

The fact of the matter is that the creation of an executive presidency does not automatically mean dictatorship. This is all hubris.

Dictatorships exist only if the people allow it to happen.

Also, if we had to take a national vote with all things being equal right now with Manning, Panday and Dookeran as candidates which one will get the most votes? I think I know the answer but then the truth of it all will be too hard for some of you to stomach. :o

All executive presidencies are not the same. under the PNm proposal there would be no national vote for President. Instead he would be elected by Parliament.
Also the Senate under the proposed consitution would give a built in majority to the urban party (ie PNM) since the city/borough corporations will have more representatives than the regional corporations.

for those 2 reasons I oppose the proposed constitution.

I never for once thought that I would agree with you skl.......but then time is indeed longer than twine!

Now here is where the wisdom of Eric Williams comes to the fore. He differed with the Wooding draft constitution because it was structured along similar lines as has been proposed by Ellis Clarke. hence the creation of the constitution review commission in 1974.

The key point is this. irrespective of if the PNM or any other party gains a 2/3 majority in the House of Representatives YOU STILL NEED THE SUPPORT OF THE SENATE. That is you need for the Independent Senators to vote en bloc with the Government appointed Senators.

That was Eric Williams' built in safeguard against anyone tampering willy nilly with the constitution. That is also why I have said we do not have a titular presidency right now because his powers are the powers of appointment. ANR Robinson showed this quite clearly.

So whether the PNM takes 32 seats or all 41 it does not follow that we will have this draft constitution foisted on us.

[Parsifal]

Your post was going well until you made a very sad and unfortunate comment that it is " ....not simple minded sugar workers supporting this party but intelligent ppl....."

The COP is sounding just as elitist as some of its forebears....the POPPG and the ONR.

Irrespective of ones socioeconomic position we are all free to enjoy the benefits of our country and partake in its political process.

It is a mindset like what you are enunciating that differentiates between "chamaar" and "brahmin" or between "black field slave" and "light brown skinned house slave".

I think you should take back that line.

Oops.. :oops: :oops: i actually meant that its not just simple minded sugar workers supporting this part but intelligent ppl as well... typo and i'm sorry if i unintentionally meant otherwise


Well done!....now just go and explain that all again to Nirad Tewarie and a few others because that is just how he comes across when discussing the issues with the UNC membership.....but then again I better just stay out of UNC and COP business!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[lou_uk]

Your post was going well until you made a very sad and unfortunate comment that it is " ....not simple minded sugar workers supporting this party but intelligent ppl....."

The COP is sounding just as elitist as some of its forebears....the POPPG and the ONR.

Irrespective of ones socioeconomic position we are all free to enjoy the benefits of our country and partake in its political process.

It is a mindset like what you are enunciating that differentiates between "chamaar" and "brahmin" or between "black field slave" and "light brown skinned house slave".

I think you should take back that line.

Oops.. :oops: :oops: i actually meant that its not just simple minded sugar workers supporting this part but intelligent ppl as well... typo and i'm sorry if i unintentionally meant otherwise

You have to accept that a lot of the COP bar Dookeran come across like this. Not very attractive and I doubt as mature to apologise for themselves. See Wendy Lee Yuen

[Parsifal]

Your post was going well until you made a very sad and unfortunate comment that it is " ....not simple minded sugar workers supporting this party but intelligent ppl....."

The COP is sounding just as elitist as some of its forebears....the POPPG and the ONR.

Irrespective of ones socioeconomic position we are all free to enjoy the benefits of our country and partake in its political process.

It is a mindset like what you are enunciating that differentiates between "chamaar" and "brahmin" or between "black field slave" and "light brown skinned house slave".

I think you should take back that line.

Oops.. :oops: :oops: i actually meant that its not just simple minded sugar workers supporting this part but intelligent ppl as well... typo and i'm sorry if i unintentionally meant otherwise[/quote]

I heard her a few times on the radio with Anil Roberts and she definitely comes across that way with Anil encouraging her all the while! :mrgreen:

You have to accept that a lot of the COP bar Dookeran come across like this. Not very attractive and I doubt as mature to apologise for themselves. See Wendy Lee Yuen[/quote]

[Parsifal]

I messed up my previous post and embedded the comment below in error......sorry

"I heard her a few times on the radio with Anil Roberts and she definitely comes across that way with Anil encouraging her all the while! :mrgreen: "

[kanta]

YES , you are right , PNM is in power and has been since the 18-18 tie because Panday handed over to avert possible political violence at the time. In 1986 he accceded to the Robinson formula which virtually marginalized the ULF component. This sacrifice was also made in the interest of averting political violence in Trinidad and Tobago.

This time it will be Dookeran who will be ushering the PNM into office by refusing to do what it will take to defeat the PNM. COP supporters think that Unity is too high a price to pay for preventing the entrenchment of a Manning Dictatorship and the end of democracy. HPS (Hate Panday Syndrome) is an affliction now rampant among COP supporters. Supporting Unity may give the impression that Panday is being supported. People can not get past that feeling to realise that Pamday, Kamla, Jack or Ramesh are all irrelevant as individuals. What is relevant is the force or combination required for pre-empting the entrenchment of the Manning Constitutonal Dictatorship which Mr Valley warned us about . ABP (Anyone But Panday) is a strain of the HPS that is equally debilitating and mind bending sufficient to cause victims to make the possibilty of Manning Dictatorship more acceptable than anything to do with Panday. HPS now seems more overpowering than the emotion of Love Of Country. If it would take the combination of the UNCA and it's increasing momentum to do it, why not forget Panday and just support the forces with the greatest chance of frustrating the Manning Plan. There is no need to love Panday, just love your country and love democracy.

[Maccogirl]

Kanta you really feel the COP supporters care if Panday handed over the decision of the 18-18 tie to avert possible political violence at the time. They don't care its sounds good to say Panday give away the government, I wonder if anyone of them felt that the PNM supporters would of just stayed quiet go back in a hole and forget the election. I wonder if they felt that the PNM candidates that won their seats were going to give up so easily, PNM does not back down from a fight so what makes them feel they would of just accepted Panday telling them well its a tie but I keeping government?

It would of been total chaos, and honestly I don't even think Panday had the legal authority to not let the President decide, someone had to decide what to do why did not Robinson say go back to the poll, or why did he not say let the sitting government remain? The COP supporters should think about that before they post ta ta but its easier to blame Panday for everything in this country. :roll:

[sam48]

JP,
There can be no challenge to your statement .
A power struggle between Panday and Ramesh resulted in Panday as PM calling an election after only one year in office. They both refused to compromise and without consideration for the UNC members and supporters handed the govt to the PNM on a silver platter.
The both of them have destroyed themselves politically and have no decency or integrity or credibility left or they would not be asking for the support of the people again.

[sam48]

So what of the UNC suppporters whose party did not lose the election and was the incumbent govt in office with ministers in control of every ministry and things running smoothly. Is only PNM members and supporters could make noise and riot ??
Why should an incumbent govt give way when it has not lost the election.
Regardless of what spin is put on the issue Panday and Ramesh have the UNC in opposition today.
They will not and have not apologised for that crime against the people, but even if they do they do not deserve the support of the people.

[JPersad]

JP,
There can be no challenge to your statement .
A power struggle between Panday and Ramesh resulted in Panday as PM calling an election after only one year in office. They both refused to compromise and without consideration for the UNC members and supporters handed the govt to the PNM on a silver platter.
The both of them have destroyed themselves politically and have no decency or integrity or credibility left or they would not be asking for the support of the people again.
And that is the same truth as the sun raises in the east and sets in the west .
Everyday .