Suppose Dookeran Don't Win His Seat ....

[Scorpio]

....what will happen to COP ?

[BW]

de corpse? dem done dead.

Nov 6 is burial day.

[Scorpio]

Dread, de Corpse joke getting stale now, come up with something new nah .

Anyway, Somebody on the forum suggested that the real elections is in 2012; so what if dookeran don't win his seat, what will happen to COP?

[JPersad]

I think COP is in it for the long run .
But that is just my opinion .

[BW]

Dread, de Corpse joke getting stale now, come up with something new nah .

Anyway, Somebody on the forum suggested that the real elections is in 2012; so what if dookeran don't win his seat, what will happen to COP?

You think anybody goh want to see dem after this election? When Panday finish lambast them for giving the PNM the election? Dem political career end de moment they join corpse.

[JPersad]

Dread, de Corpse joke getting stale now, come up with something new nah .

Anyway, Somebody on the forum suggested that the real elections is in 2012; so what if dookeran don't win his seat, what will happen to COP?

You think anybody goh want to see dem after this election? When Panday finish lambast them for giving the PNM the election? Dem political career end de moment they join corpse.
Ahem ..... Panday and RLM are responsible for the PNM being in power .
Don't drag Dookeran into UNC BS !

[sylvestter]

it doh have any point in supposin`. t&t movin`.

[BW]

Ahem ..... Panday and RLM are responsible for the PNM being in power .
Don't drag Dookeran into UNC BS !

The thing is, I don't believe many in the COP base will think like that. Once the polls are in, and the COPers are forced to deal with the consequences, many are going to run home to the UNC and never look back.

The COP won't survive long enough for a "real elections is in 2012". It's over for them, and there's no way around that.

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Edit: For those wondering what "the consequences" mean, well that should be obvious. The vote is going to split, allowing the PNM to gain seats they otherwise would have lost (possibly resulting in a special majority). Beyond all the campaign spinning, most people, regardless of party, accept that as the most likely scenario.

[citizen]

So what if the COP loses big time. That will say more about the sorry state of the populace of T&T rather than anything about the COP.

Dookeran represents a new beginning - the hand of knowledge that picks up the average voters and places them on the pinnacle of truth. But being true Trinbagonians who like it so, they will probably dive right back into the sea of ignorance.

Look, what Dookeran stands for is the best that T&T can hope for. If he and his party lose, at least he will be true to the adage:

It is better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.

Good luck to all!

[Acid]

Exactly ... it says more about the populace than the COP.

Remember as many people claim, the COP-ers are middle-upper class. It's the other people to ketch!

[JPersad]

Ahem ..... Panday and RLM are responsible for the PNM being in power .
Don't drag Dookeran into UNC BS !

The thing is, I don't believe many in the COP base will think like that. Once the polls are in, and the COPers are forced to deal with the consequences, many are going to run home to the UNC and never look back.

The COP won't survive long enough for a "real elections is in 2012". It's over for them, and there's no way around that.

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Edit: For those wondering what "the consequences" mean, well that should be obvious. The vote is going to split, allowing the PNM to gain seats they otherwise would have lost (possibly resulting in a special majority). Beyond all the campaign spinning, most people, regardless of party, accept that as the most likely scenario.
Alyuh really believe the UNC base is that dumb ?

[JPersad]

Exactly ... it says more about the populace than the COP.

Remember as many people claim, the COP-ers are middle-upper class. It's the other people to ketch!
So what did the grass root gain when the UNC was in power ?

The COP are made up of people who are fed up with both the UNC and PNM .That is why they have so much supporters .IF what you saying is true , them Trinidad have a very big upper middle class .
But you and I both know that is certainly not true .

[BW]

So what did the grass root gain when the UNC was in power ?

The COP are made up of people who are fed up with both the UNC and PNM .

Careful, don't extrapolate your own views to be those of the entire group. Many folks in the COP are still in love with Basdeo Panday, RLM and the UNC. Look at what happened after the UNC rally last week-- many folks have switched sides yet again, and are back onto the old ship.

Indeed, just a few hours ago, I heard Impshan Ishmal (the biggest mouth COP supporter of them all) admitting that Panday has done quite a bit of good for the country. Anil Roberts has made similar admissions. Even Dookaran is careful in his speeches not to openly blast Panday. They all know attacking Panday and the UNC runs the risk of alienating 'grassroots' COP supporters.

The COP base isn't nearly as hardcore or dedicated as those of the other two parties. The call for "new politics" is an ideological position, easily broken and discarded in the face of political realities. On November 6th, their support will be questioned. Panday will waste no time in welcoming the disillusioned COP supporters back into the fold, and delivering a final crushing blow to the COP politicans.

It's over. The COP isn't going to win. There will be no "real elections in 2012". If they don't align with the UNC now, they are dead as a political force.

[King B]

Now this is a great question. Think about this for a minute: what if Dookeran loses his seat but someone else in the COP wins theirs... who will be leader then? :lol:

[vaio]

interesting question, i agree with someone earlier - even if he doesn't win his seat at least he would go down standin for what he belives.. which is more that i could say for the UNC who are afraid and ah really mean afraid to tell their leader ' boss your time has passed you will never see the light of day in that PM's office again' let someone new lead and maybe there might be hope for the country to overthrow the PNM gov't.

[cm103]

What I would like to know is if Mickela(sp?) doesn't win her seat and the UNC wins the election. Will daddy put her in a Ministry or as a senator?

Pnday holding on to power in his party to pass the party on to his daughter but what else will he do to jump start her political career?

[vaio]

What I would like to know is if Mickela(sp?) doesn't win her seat and the UNC wins the election. Will daddy put her in a Ministry or as a senator?

Pnday holding on to power in his party to pass the party on to his daughter but what else will he do to jump start her political career?

dey not winning so a non issue... but what if... i betcha she get a Ministerial post

[skl]

Now this is a great question. Think about this for a minute: what if Dookeran loses his seat but someone else in the COP wins theirs... who will be leader then? :lol:

well gee whiz Mr KBB if that happened in the PNM what would happen ? :roll: and if noone knows what the COP would do, what are you laughing at ?

at any rate ,if that happens we'll see see how the COP reacts.

[King B]

Poor Skl, he seeing the writing on the wall. Dookeran better pray he win or that everyone else in the COP lose. I could only hope someone like Devant Maharaj win his seat yes. :lol:

[Dispatcher]

Now this is a great question. Think about this for a minute: what if Dookeran loses his seat but someone else in the COP wins theirs... who will be leader then? :lol:

well gee whiz Mr KBB if that happened in the PNM what would happen ? :roll: and if noone knows what the COP would do, what are you laughing at ?

at any rate ,if that happens we'll see see how the COP reacts.

No big thing. Chambers lost his seat and Manning one of the 3 PNM MPs to win in 1986 assume leader role. George retired. Dooks will have to retire. A leader can't afford to lose his/her seat.

[JPersad]

Now this is a great question. Think about this for a minute: what if Dookeran loses his seat but someone else in the COP wins theirs... who will be leader then? :lol:

well gee whiz Mr KBB if that happened in the PNM what would happen ? :roll: and if noone knows what the COP would do, what are you laughing at ?

at any rate ,if that happens we'll see see how the COP reacts.

No big thing. Chambers lost his seat and Manning one of the 3 PNM MPs to win in 1986 assume leader role. George retired. Dooks will have to retire. A leader can't afford to lose his/her seat.
Both Manning and Panday lost elections as leaders of thei parties .
Did they retire ?

This election is still up for grabs , nobody voted yet .

[vaio]

we are still a ways off..

[King B]

This election is still up for grabs , nobody voted yet .

Breds, did either of them lose their seat?

[JPersad]

This election is still up for grabs , nobody voted yet .

Breds, did either of them lose their seat?
Same difference .
In developed nations , leaders resign as leaders of thier parties when the party loses an election .

[Parsifal]

This election is still up for grabs , nobody voted yet .

Breds, did either of them lose their seat?
Same difference .
In developed nations , leaders resign as leaders of thier parties when the party loses an election .

Not entirely true JP. Only in the UK does this happen as a matter of course. A number of the political leaders in the Commonwealth have lost elections, become leaders of the opposition in parliament and returned to high office in subsequent elections.

So we are not doing things much differently.

[Parsifal]

...it has happened in Australia and Canada before......I cant think of it happening in the UK but it may very well have.

it is really up tho the collective membership in the political parties to ditch failed leaders....but this is a scenario that would more likely happen in the PNM rather than in the UNC.

Manning held onto his position versus Rowley because he gained the majority via the Women's league support in the various party groups.

In the UNC it would ake a full vote of the general membership to unseat Panday.....and I think he has that down solid until he dies.

[Dispatcher]

Breds, did either of them lose their seat?
Same difference .
In developed nations , leaders resign as leaders of thier parties when the party loses an election .

Not entirely true JP. Only in the UK does this happen as a matter of course. A number of the political leaders in the Commonwealth have lost elections, become leaders of the opposition in parliament and returned to high office in subsequent elections.

So we are not doing things much differently.

It does happen as a rule in the UK if the party loses the leader steps down. However back in the 60's early 70's Harold Wilson was PM then oposition leader then PM again.

Same with Winston Churchill PM in 1940-45 and then 1951-55

[Parsifal]

[/quote]

It does happen as a rule in the UK if the party loses the leader steps down. However back in the 60's early 70's Harold Wilson was PM then oposition leader then PM again.

Same with Winston Churchill PM in 1940-45 and then 1951-55[/quote]

You know something I was trying to remember a British instance and I was busting my brains to remember the circumstances of Sir Harold Wilson. So I erred on the side of caution instead of sticking my neck out! :lol:

But it does bolster KBB's point! Even in GB which last time I checked is a "Developed Country" leaders have lost and then returned. Resignation does not follow as a matter of course. So you you have killed your own argument. :roll: :roll:

[slick]

Dookeran not winning his seat.
There's no supposing here.
That's guaranteed.