What make some women bitchy to other women.

[sacky]

Just notice that some women on here is a little more touchy to some than to others ,so just wondering why that is ? :roll: :roll:

[BW]

Maybe Private Messages (PMs)?

edit: oh dear, that's not politically correct is it..

[serenity]

This should be an interesting thread....
though I ent too sure what we discussing here - why women bitchy to other women or why some women more touchy.

Um, BW, shame on u!

[Scorpio]

A more appropriate question would be "What makes women Bitchy" :D

[BW]

Um, BW, shame on u!

Yup, shame on me for mentioning a known, well documented biological phenomenon that causes irritability and aggression. For shame.. such shame..

[Sirius]

Just notice that some women on here is a little more touchy to some than to others ,so just wondering why that is ? :roll: :roll:

You my friend are stoking a fire. Good luck with that one! :P

[serenity]

Um, BW, shame on u!

Yup, shame on me for mentioning a known, well documented biological phenomenon that causes irritability and aggression. For shame.. such shame..

I object to the fact that a woman's legitimate anger can be patronizingly dismissed with a condescending "Have you got PMS?"

Or to put it more eloquently,
'The term disempowers women by subsuming their experiences under the umbrella of illness.'

[BW]

Um, BW, shame on u!

Yup, shame on me for mentioning a known, well documented biological phenomenon that causes irritability and aggression. For shame.. such shame..

I object that a woman's legitimate anger can be patronizingly dismissed with a condescending "Have you got PMS?"
Or to put it more eloquently,
'The term disempowers women by subsuming their experiences under the umbrella of illness.'

Attacking a strawman.

It is not disempowering women by talking about the effects of PMS in a rational, objective manner. PMS makes women more "bitchy", case closed. It shouldn't make me a bad person for recognizing that fact.

I guess Sirius is right. There's no way you can "win" in a thread like this. Somebody is bound to get offended, no matter how justified your position.

[serenity]

It is not disempowering women by talking about the effects of PMS in a rational, objective manner. PMS makes women more "bitchy", case closed. It shouldn't make me a bad person for recognizing that fact.

I must have missed it, but where was the rational discussion on PMS? All I saw was a vague reference to it at the mention of 'bitchy'.

I never said u were a bad person BW, why take it personally? Getting a lil touchy? U having PMS symptoms too? :lol:

I guess Sirius is right. There's no way you can "win" in a thread like this. Somebody is bound to get offended, no matter how justified your position.

There is no reason for offence, unless u're speaking about yourself of course. ;) :D

[serenity]

Study shows men also suffer from PMS
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... !7101!7102 (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-13094283-details/Study+shows+men+also+suffer+from+PMS/article.do;jsessionid=TpvZHPpQXVv51cXy1pzhBm2LBnNN pyQ2552Hhgp50zMGCVPMQyh2!-2080287929!-1407319344!7101!7102)

BTW, I dont endorse or subscribe to any studies. I just pointing out that everybody has a theory and how condescending and patronising it can be for your behaviour to be attributed to one or other thing when in fact u are simply legitimately upset or angry (or crazy).

[BW]

Well, I'm speaking generally. Whenever a man even says the word "PMS" (no matter the context), he gets chewed out about it. There's nothing personal about it; it's just some stupid "PC" rule that all men have to follow, and further, it's one which often stands in the way of more mutual understanding.

It's a strong part of life and interpersonal relations, but people don't talk about it. It's like one giant elephant in the room, and we have to throw a sheet on it and pretend it's not there. That bothers me.

edit: One more thing. I'm sure if a woman had said exactly what I said, then some of you women might have been nodding along in agreement, or even acceptance! PC be damned, this is just a double standard pure and simple.

[serenity]

I honestly dont get that u dont seem to get how it can be patronising and condescending to automatically refer to pms when there is mention of a woman 'acting up'.

How is it a strong part of life and interpersonal relations? What percentage of women u know actually suffer from PMS?

Some categorise it as a disease. Just bec its a woman u dealing with doesnt mean that u can dismiss her behaviour to pms. If a woman is bald u gonna ask her about her breast cancer? See how irrational it is to automatically make that link?

Its not an elephant in the room. Its just a private thing that not many ppl choose to discuss openly bec its personal. Would u feel comfortable saying u feeling a lil woozy today bec of your prostate enlargement medication for example?

If a woman said it, it'd probably be laughed off as the joke that it would be. There's some things that doesnt sit well bec of who said it. Its like a white person using the 'N' word vs a black person using it.

[BW]

I honestly dont get that u dont seem to get how it can be patronising and condescending to mention pms when there is mention of a woman 'acting up'.

How is it a strong part of life and interpersonal relations? What percentage of women u know actually suffer from PMS?

Some categorise it as a disease. Just bec its a woman u dealing with doesnt mean that u can dismiss her behaviour to pms. If a woman is bald u gonna ask her about her breast cancer? See how irrational it is to automatically make that link?

Its not an elephant in the room. Its just a private thing that not many ppl choose to discuss openly bec its personal. Would u feel comfortable saying u feeling a lil woozy today bec of your prostate enlargement medication for example?

I completely 100% agree that dismissing a woman's anger purely on the basis of PMS is wrong. 100% agree. That's something that I would never, ever do. I throughly condemn that. It's private, I understand.

But, that was never my point or argument. You're automatically linking any mention of PMS with that attack on women (and I 100% call it an attack on women). That's a leap that is, imo, unjustified and gets in the way of more rational discussion.

All I'm saying is that PMS can make some women more bitchy.
That's it. I'm not dismissing anybody's feelings or legitimate anger.

[serenity]

All I'm saying is that PMS can make some women more bitchy.
That's it. I'm not dismissing anybody's feelings or legitimate anger.

Fair enough.
But why mention pms alone?
Why not mention other documented causes of bitchness? - lack of sleep, lack of or unsatisfactory sex, relationship problems, work problems, self esteem problems..?

See why I jumped to the conclusion I did?

[BW]

All I'm saying is that PMS can make some women more bitchy.
That's it. I'm not dismissing anybody's feelings or legitimate anger.

Fair enough.
But why mention pms alone?
Why not mention other documented causes of bitchness? - lack of sleep, lack of or unsatisfactory sex, relationship problems, work problems, self esteem problems..?

See why I jumped to the conclusion I did?

I don't actually. Hormones are the first thing that come to my mind whenever somebody talks about any sudden gender-specific behavior change, so I listed that as the first cause. The others in the list are sociological in origin, and I, admittedly, didn't even consider that (to my mind, it's much less obvious that work problems might create bitchyness, for example).

Come to think of it, cultural and religious factors probably also play a role. I was watching this program on the PBS last night, with this life-coach "Deepak Chopra". He said really interesting some things that got me thinking.

He describes that many of us go along life without having any real sense of direction. We just kind of float around, and when we meet someone on the street and they complement us, then we are happy. We meet someone, and they tell us something bad, we get sad. Our emotions are held at the mercy of strangers; people who we might have just met.

Deepak then goes to talk about the teaching of Budda, and the keys to personal happiness. He tell us,


Take time to be silent, to meditate, to quite the internal dialogue.

In moments of silence, realize that you are reconnecting to your source of pure awareness.

Pay attention to your inner life so that you can be guided by intuition rather than externally imposed interpretations of what is or isn't good for you.

If this is how you live your life, then you probably wouldn't be as easily angered. There's a bit of a "buffer", so no matter how much people challenge you, it doesn't affect one's own reaction or feelings. What happens out there, in the external, cannot and should not govern one's inner peace. In doing so, you are not only better able to act more effectively, but it also helps you become happier in your daily life.

This is just one example, but I'm sure you all know about other religious and philosophical teachings along these lines. The 'bitchiness' question comes down in large part to one's personal philosophy.

[KFCSpicy]

Good question Sacky. I am bitchy when I don't like people not women. I abhor women who attack women specifically for what ever "rationale" they can create. Nobody better than nobody but what makes a person significantly outstanding is how they treat people, how honest they are etc... so because Jane does wear she hear in a multitude of errors sorry ah mean styles doh mean women who does comb dey hair in one should hate she or be nasty to her.

That's simplemindedness and most women I am sorry to say suffer from that. They always searching for something to make themselves feel superior when in effect they are mostly nonentities who feel dey in thing. Trini bank women are like that...believe me I worked 2 and half years in RBTT with some of the worse specimens ever. Talk about back biting and gossiping and then forced friendly smiles to yuh face. I find it energy draining really, cause I rather plain talk but in trini dat means bad manners.

I like where I work here in the council, nuff women and the same thing but on a whole nother level. More professionalism here and everyone speaks their minds of course dey doh cuss like me and so I doh need to cuss but then everrrrrrrry one loves me at my office, male and female (ah mean where else in de world yuh bosses does buy yuh jewellery, and full an archive box of new shoes for yuh birthday? pay for your trip to Trinidad and give yuh spending money? Can't think of anywhere else so I guess I lucky in that respect 8-).

But to be more direct in answering yuh valid question...some women genetically made that way babe. ;)

[KFCSpicy]

Just notice that some women on here is a little more touchy to some than to others ,so just wondering why that is ? :roll: :roll:

But wait, why must anyone explain this really? :shock: Not everyone is meant to like yuh, be it women or men. Huma is not a woman (i think) and he is bitchy to almost anyone with a keyboard or whom he doh agree with. No one should have to explain why they doh like another person and being rude to them. Free reign I say. If others offended then tuff. Such is life from since de dawn of time and it will be so till the end...deal with it. This forum is not a popularity contest...at least for me, so I me eh need to start several threads on peoples personality to air meh greivances indirectly.

Let the fookery begin... :roll:

[KFCSpicy]

This is similar to the way young teenage boys treat each other in schools.

There are, I think, three differences: 1) There's outright physical or verbal bullying instead of "bitching". 2) It's less acceptable for them to show any weakness in front of their friends. And 3) It tends to stop once people get to about sixteen and realise that their supposed social cliques have already dissolved, mixed and become based on actual friendship rather than masculine hierarchies. Unfortunately, not everyone makes it to number three because something stops them from realising that everyone else's opinions, quirks and pursuits are as valid as their own. If we could all reach this stage more quickly (if at all) I'm sure we'd all be less petty and judgemental. But that's just wishful thinking on my part as I have little or no faith in the human species to want to get past and acknowledge their foibles.

[serenity]

Hormones are the first thing that come to my mind whenever somebody talks about any sudden gender-specific behavior change, so I listed that as the first cause.


Firstly, there is a presumption of 'behaviour change' that I disagree with. How do u discriminate bet a woman who is angry over an issue and one who is suffering from pms, so as to be able to tell which is 'behaviour change'?

Secondly, pms affects different women in different ways and with different levels of severity. Its not always about being bitchy. Some women become withdrawn, some go into a mini depression. In fact, if u seriously research pms, u would see how unjustified your presumption is.

Out of curiosity, what affliction comes to mind if its a behaviour-change relationg to men?

And one last thing, women being bitchy to other women doesnt happen at any specific time of the month. And if irritation were to subsume someone at a specific time of the month, it is unlikely that the only victims of their bitchiness would be other women. In that state, I dont think they'd take time to pinpoint specific victims.

Thanks for sharing the piece on Deepak Chopra. Very interesting.

[Solachica]

I dont say pms to them nuh I does ask is full moon or wht? :?
But to men and women I wud ask if is the moon. :lol:

[serenity]

^^^ :lol:

Lets see, why am I bitchy to other women?

Usually happens when I'm driving.
I does turn beast and cuss out everything, women esp.
But then again, I'm the one who believe they should take women drivers off the road entirely, thus my bias.

Other than that, I'm bitchy to women who always crying over a man. I hate pity parties that last longer than they should.

[Chicabonita]

Oh, many reasons. From envy, jealousy, lack of attention, self-esteem issues, competitiveness to mental issues. The one thing I think stands out the most about women who are too touchy about other women and who react aggressively towards them is insecurity.

I found this list as well:


Why do women hate other women?
1. Women feel that their biological prime-time is limited. She can easily be replaced by a new younger, more beautiful woman. Youth is a woman’s fair-weathered friend.
2. Women feel that other women control their man’s sexual fidelity.
3. Women feel that their level or degree of physical beauty is based on luck as opposed to something that she controls.
4. Women feel that other women can take something that they have worked hard to earn by using their beauty on the job, school and the legal system because men will be taken by her beauty.
5. Women feel that other women can not be trusted. They gossip too much, they are phony and they would take your man right before your eyes.
6. Women feel that other women divert attention away from them.
7. Women feel psychologically competitive with other women to be more attractive.
8. Women subconsciously believe that if they merely looked like another woman, they could inherit her life, her diamond, her man, and people would look at her with the same admiration.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Women-Hat ... &id=573904 (http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Women-Hate-Other-Women&id=573904)

[KFCSpicy]

:geek: Falcon what ah tell yuh? :evil:

[King B]

Oh, many reasons. From envy, jealousy, lack of attention, self-esteem issues, competitiveness to mental issues. The one thing I think stands out the most about women who are too touchy about other women and who react aggressively towards them is insecurity.

I found this list as well:


Why do women hate other women?
1. Women feel that their biological prime-time is limited. She can easily be replaced by a new younger, more beautiful woman. Youth is a woman’s fair-weathered friend.
2. Women feel that other women control their man’s sexual fidelity.
3. Women feel that their level or degree of physical beauty is based on luck as opposed to something that she controls.
4. Women feel that other women can take something that they have worked hard to earn by using their beauty on the job, school and the legal system because men will be taken by her beauty.
5. Women feel that other women can not be trusted. They gossip too much, they are phony and they would take your man right before your eyes.
6. Women feel that other women divert attention away from them.
7. Women feel psychologically competitive with other women to be more attractive.
8. Women subconsciously believe that if they merely looked like another woman, they could inherit her life, her diamond, her man, and people would look at her with the same admiration.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Women-Hat ... &id=573904 (http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Women-Hate-Other-Women&id=573904)

Absolutely! Never seen it written that concisely. Can be summed up in one word:

INSECURITY

[sheppy]

Why do women hate other women?
1. Women feel that their biological prime-time is limited. She can easily be replaced by a new younger, more beautiful woman. Youth is a woman’s fair-weathered friend.
2. Women feel that other women control their man’s sexual fidelity.
3. Women feel that their level or degree of physical beauty is based on luck as opposed to something that she controls.
4. Women feel that other women can take something that they have worked hard to earn by using their beauty on the job, school and the legal system because men will be taken by her beauty.
5. Women feel that other women can not be trusted. They gossip too much, they are phony and they would take your man right before your eyes.
6. Women feel that other women divert attention away from them.
7. Women feel psychologically competitive with other women to be more attractive.
8. Women subconsciously believe that if they merely looked like another woman, they could inherit her life, her diamond, her man, and people would look at her with the same admiration.

This is interesting...u know what strikes me in this list, is that these things (if accurate)
are mostly things women have very little if any control over and (i know i gonna get slap) but seemingly irrational fears (esp #8).
This means..women will always be bitchy..lol

[Chicabonita]

This is interesting...u know what strikes me in this list, is that these things (if accurate)
are mostly things women have very little if any control over and (i know i gonna get slap) but seemingly irrational fears (esp #8).

Exactly, that's why is insecurity the real issue.


This means..women will always be bitchy..lol

:lol:

[serenity]

There was a girl in another dept who used to come to my dept to drop off docs and she was very pretty and had gorgeous legs. She wore mini skirts and very high heels as well eh. Anyway, is only me and another girl in that dept at the time and the rest were guys.

She's greet every guy, stop by some and flirt a little. She'd even sit on a couple desks with legs crossed when chatting (allyuh know the pose). I ent have no prob with that, the girl know how to work it. But she'd totally ignore the existence of the other girl and I. Sometimes she'd even watch we 'cut eye'.

Now whats that about?

The other girl and I were no competition since this chick was younger, prettier and like I said, fantastic legs. So why she hate we?

Of course when we mention it all the fellas say dey eh notice nothing :roll:
Men never seem to notice woman on woman bitchiness.

[Chicabonita]

Seren, maybe the woman no matter how pretty she was, was very insecure. The fact that she has to be constantly flirting and gave you all the "cut eye" without no apparent reason, could easily prove this. Just because she was good looking does not mean she didn't have insecurity issues.

Also, this type of women know that other women won't be constantly praising them and drooling over them and because they tend to be attention-seekers, they tend to have that attitude towards other women. Hence they usually have more "male" friends than "females" because they get the attention they seek from men and not from women.


Of course when we mention it all the fellas say dey eh notice nothing

Typical! :lol: Like if they are studying how the woman react with you all... :lol:

[kemist]

Of course when we mention it all the fellas say dey eh notice nothing :roll:
Men never seem to notice woman on woman bitchiness.

yeah we do notice, but some of us are smart enough not to get involved, for anything we say or do can be held against us in a court of women. :lol:
(i know i'll get burn 4 that statement too :mrgreen: )

[serenity]

Of course when we mention it all the fellas say dey eh notice nothing :roll:
Men never seem to notice woman on woman bitchiness.

yeah we do notice, but some of us are smart enough not to get involved, for anything we say or do can be held against us in a court of women. :lol:
(i know i'll get burn 4 that statement too :mrgreen: )

Oh ho! Feigning ignorance... in the name of survival no less :roll: :lol:

[sacky]

Now unless some of us on here are blind,the reason for this thread is because of our 2 darlings on here who for what ever reason,is like 2 she wolvesand i cant get my head around the reason for it,but so far the insights have been a bit bewildering ,from pms to insecurity,wonder whats next,before we get to the root of this evil. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[KFCSpicy]

Yuh wasting yuh time here wid dis one Sacky.

Is obvious. I mean look at the bitch fest...sorry discussion going on about one woman sitting on a table chatting with men? Laughable! Not a woman of the other "ladies" in this alleged story made an effort to get acquainted with the leggy lass did they? Oh no they already cliqued and decided that she was not worth it because to them she too flirty wid de men. Instead of getting to know the person as an individual the "adults" so called decided that she insecure hence why men like she and not seeing she "flaws". Flaws mind you she was given because she does watch the other two obvious business minders bad eye.

In real life when yuh meet women they clique immediately into secure groups. Whether it be the girls in school who like books or the girls on the sports teams or the heffas who jess like to look good and as a result are more interesting to boys/men cause men are very visual creatures and unlike most women...doh like ole talk and drama.

Growing up in a household of 9 uncles of varying ages coming and going and especially around my dad, I love and prefer the company of men. They never hassle yuh, if they have something to tell yuh they just do and they always give you insight to what their contempories are all about. Also men are less nerve wrecking ninnies and yuh cud laugh off anything with them cause they are not maliciously discussing yuh in whispers or loud asides.

Men shrug sh!t off and move on, they tell stuff once and that's it, chill out or lose out. I like being amongst people I can be relaxed with and that includes women. Hence they people on my list to care about are all independant, Alpha females, no gossiping cause we don't got time for that crap. No fussing over things like what this one go think if ah wear this...we all gots indentities and stick with it. Who gives a flying frock what Jane the badly dressed, unoriginal loser from the next street thinks? We come into our own by hard work, and battle sometimes but the prize at the top does be oh so sweet. My female friends are all excellent drivers and 9 out of 10 times buys trucks rather than cars, purely cause we tend to end up liming all in places like Toco and stuff and we all think about the times we hang and need the space. Plus trucks are the greatest.

I would rather die than be useless heffa as is being potrayed on here by some women. But then to each their own. As I said in another thread...gimme Oprah and Condoleeza anyday over these idiots who can only talk about their hair and the next party or the next marriage or man or baby. I like women of substance not words and no action. Not manipulative slappers whose only pleasure in life is to bring down others in the nicest possible ways cause they themselves don't want to be labled what they truly are. Bitches!

Too much incongruity on this particular thread for me to be bothered with it seriously anymore.

[Cherry]

This is an interesting thread with some interesting reasons put forward.
I don't think these women are bitchy, but very strong women with very strong views.
They will cut you if you get too close :lol:
Alpha females? The kind men don't like? Probably 8-)

[serenity]

I don't think these women are bitchy, but very strong women with very strong views.
They will cut you if you get too close :lol:



Probably, but then there are women who will hate yuh for no reason eh.
Meh hair was looking hot yesterday, the rumour-mongering women in meh office eh even watch meh twice. I swear they pass meh straight except for some sideway glances.
Today it looking like crap, everybody hailing yuh out 'Good morning!' and 'yuh cut yuh hair?' :lol:

At least ah made some ppl happy today. But if that is not bitchiness ah doh know what is. And it have nothing to do with the strength of the woman.

[Chicabonita]

Meh hair was looking hot yesterday, the rumour-mongering women in meh office eh even watch meh twice. I swear they pass meh straight except for some sideway glances.
Today it looking like crap, everybody hailing yuh out 'Good morning!' and 'yuh cut yuh hair?'

Women can be envious eh . I used to keep my hair very long and some women could not wait for me cut it because they had short hair. :lol: Jealousy is a killer boy. :lol:

[serenity]

How come men dont have these issues?

I know they are judged by other things - like who have the best car and the hottest wife and making the most money but I wonder if there is that kinda friction among them?

[Chicabonita]

My granny used to say 7 men can live peacefully in a one bedroom apartment but 2 women cannot live peacefully in a mansion. :lol:

[Solachica]

Most men not bothered abt wht other men wear. :?
Most times they arent to concerned abt wht women wear either unless we ask or wht some women wear is sheer, fitted etc. :roll:

[serenity]

Most men not bothered abt wht other men wear. :?
Most times they arent to concerned abt wht women wear either unless we ask or wht some women wear is sheer, fitted etc. :roll:

True. But do they get testy about cars or salaries etc?

[Chicabonita]

I don't think so...maybe some? I never observed that friction at all unless there is a woman involved. :lol:

[serenity]

My brother was into music. So he'd pull up next to another car on the highway and pong music REAL loud. I guess it was a guy thing.

[Solachica]

True. But do they get testy about cars or salaries etc?
I havent noticed any sort of testy behaviour when it comes to cars and salaries.
maybe I dont know to many envious guys and the men at work cud not care less abt such things.

[King B]

This is why the easiest way to get a woman is to make her jealous. King B chapter 3, verse 16. :D

[guyguy]

How come men dont have these issues? Because we too busy checking out who eating the 6" and the 12" subs and trying to gauge if we fit in dat category. :D :D :D

This is the best Thread ever. Ah learning plenty ting bout women ... or is it about little girls pretending to be adults?

[sacky]

Nothing so good as some girls pulling at each others hair and breast flying all about the place :roll: