UNCA new ad on TV

[Maccogirl]

Anyone happen to see the new political ad on tv for the UNCA with Jack and Bas, excellent this is the first time in T&T politics I have seen an ad like that, seen some on cable for USA election but this one I must say is well done, really does give me an idea of what new politics is about :D

[JediKnight]

Yeah, clean up the act and fool the people. It would have had far more effect if it was Kamla and Jack talkin. People are not going to be fooled by that kind of gimmick. :mrgreen:

[Maccogirl]

That is your opinion that ad was real class, the fact of the matter is no other party thought of doing something so, neither has any other party organized a rally as the one UNCA had so just goes to show performance beats old talk every time..... give the people credit nah they one step ahead of the others and I must say that is the hand of Jack Warner once again :D :D

[vaio]

That ad did nothing for me.. in fact it all seemed so false...same ole talk but nuttin different... :roll:

[Maria]

Sorry, but I think the ad boring - those two men are dull. (No fiery Bas here).
Yeah it's something new - but there's nothing attractive about it. But I certainly loved the staging of UNCs rally. Oh what a glorious new state-of-the-art stage $4,000,000 can buy - and those television towers - really fantastic - why there was even a flying camera to give us a bird's eye view. Wow!!! Jack is really a boss. Not that I want him with his hands in our Treasury mind you!! :mrgreen:

[Maccogirl]

No sweat if it did nothing for you but I would love to see one now done by Dooks and Manning it would be interesting to hear what they have to say :D

[BW]

Dem UNC spending reallll money on dis elections. Ah wonder how dey intend to make it back? thief from de treasury maybe?

[Maccogirl]

Sour grapes once aging..... all the smoke and Mc Farlane costumes with Chinese drummers and whatever else must of went for the low price of $100,000, the Woodford Sq PNM rally that even worse they went for maybe $90,000 is only UNCA spend money, I know COP donations are from the small man, a little cake sale here and there poor fellas, PNM well they using state funds, UNCA is Jack and they real spending.

Funny how the media found the time to itemize every item on the UNCA rally and give the public a price but so silent on all the others, just goes to show how balanced the media is and one good thing is UNCA never hid the price tag of what they spent unlike all the other parties that coming to the public with BS about cake sales, BBQ and so on :D :D :D

[raider]

'Dem UNC spending reallll money on dis elections. Ah wonder how dey intend to make it back? thief from de treasury maybe?'

breadwinner,

doh worry yuhself. by the time the next party takes over, the treasury will be empty, like the last time the pnm were removed.
it's a pnm trait.

[vaio]

Dem UNC spending reallll money on dis elections. Ah wonder how dey intend to make it back? thief from de treasury maybe?


doh worry... aint gonna happen...not winnin election... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[raider]

macco,

let's say the unc were to win the election. as things stand right now, who would be the prime minister?

[JediKnight]

That is your opinion that ad was real class,

Uhhh, duh!!! For the edification of all those who read my posts, they are all my opinion. No one else's. If there was an insinuation by MG that my previous posts were not my opinion, I wish to assure everyone that all my previous posts were all my opinion. Not the Queen of England's, the Sultan of Brunai's, Patrick's, Panday's or Dookeran's! :lol: :lol: :lol: And ah glad ah not alone in MY OPINION. Others share my opinion. It does not mean that it is no longer my opinion, it simply means that the others, independently of me, have the same opinion. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[vaio]

macco,

let's say the unc were to win the election. as things stand right now, who would be the prime minister?

who else??

[JediKnight]

that ad was real class,

Buh ah ha to agree wid yuh dey. De add was real CL a##. CL Financial dat is. Funny what ah $1m scholarship can buy dese days... real a## :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[vaio]

that ad was real class,

Buh ah ha to agree wid yuh dey. De add was real CL a##. CL Financial dat is. Funny what ah $1m scholarship can buy dese days... real a## :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[lou_uk]

Sour grapes once aging..... all the smoke and Mc Farlane costumes with Chinese drummers and whatever else must of went for the low price of $100,000, the Woodford Sq PNM rally that even worse they went for maybe $90,000 is only UNCA spend money, I know COP donations are from the small man, a little cake sale here and there poor fellas, PNM well they using state funds, UNCA is Jack and they real spending.

Funny how the media found the time to itemize every item on the UNCA rally and give the public a price but so silent on all the others, just goes to show how balanced the media is and one good thing is UNCA never hid the price tag of what they spent unlike all the other parties that coming to the public with BS about cake sales, BBQ and so on :D :D :D

That line alone is worth a borrow.. Funny post :mrgreen:

[Maccogirl]

Jedi real touchy boy anyway the Ad is good !!!!tell COP to make one boy before you buss a vein, the rally was outstanding like the UNCA was playing dead all the time :D

[Sirius]

I hadda be honest here eh. When that ad came on, just the sight of Panday and Jack trying to act dignified made me sigh, steups, and then change the channel.

At least they bring a new meaning to armchair politicians...

[snowbird]

Anyone happen to see the new political ad on tv for the UNCA with Jack and Bas, excellent this is the first time in T&T politics I have seen an ad like that, seen some on cable for USA election but this one I must say is well done, really does give me an idea of what new politics is about :D

Spoken like a true impressionable child. Yep, if yuh kar razzle dem wid brilliance, dazzle dem wid bull *****. De ole razzle, dazzle game. :roll: Buh dem again, if dey doin it in de US it mus be good :lol:

[slayerdave]

Dem UNC spending reallll money on dis elections. Ah wonder how dey intend to make it back? thief from de treasury maybe?

Ah boy so you finally admitting that the UNC-A winning the election........

[Maccogirl]

Well am sure Canada has the same kind of ads for their election so the next time you look at one of them remember they are dazzling you with BS also :D Ah still say the Ad was brilliant so deal with it people all yuh miss the boat on that one you know what they say you snooze you lose :D :D :D

[JediKnight]

Jedi real touchy boy anyway the Ad is good !!!!tell COP to make one boy before you buss a vein, the rally was outstanding like the UNCA was playing dead all the time :D

Why people tellin me I touchy and livin in denial (another thread) :) I am just saying the way I see things. Some of us were impressed by the adds, some of us weren't! I take it that the majority on this thread weren't. :mrgreen: If people bought into the ad, that is why the UNC continues to have support. Like I said before, I would have bought into the ad if Panday was replaced by Kamla.

[skl]

That is your opinion that ad was real class, the fact of the matter is no other party thought of doing something so, neither has any other party organized a rally as the one UNCA had so just goes to show performance beats old talk every time..... give the people credit nah they one step ahead of the others and I must say that is the hand of Jack Warner once again :D :D


well next time I having a show I go ask the UNCa to organize it, since that's what they good for. :D

[sylvestter]

you know, i've never actually seen the ad...
whenever i see a unc-a ad on tv, my first reaction is always to flip the channel...

[lou_uk]

The UNCA ad for me does not work because they have nothing better to offer us than a wounded Panday. I like their radio song though. It has some fair lyrics and a nice beat on it. I also like the sweeping song for the PNM.

[just1fix]

You know that UNC gone through when the only thing you could do to make them look good is to post an article about how polished their ad looking.

The next ad should have Panday beating Kamla with a belt for embarassing him on sunday, but Jack should hire steven spielberg to do it.

[Maccogirl]

Right and that is why the COP was busy calling Kamla she said so on the radio today in an interview to come and join them, the UNC wash up all the talent of the UNC now in the COP but the COP still trying to get UNCA people to join them. :D

[cm103]

Right and that is why the COP was busy calling Kamla she said so on the radio today in an interview to come and join them, the UNC wash up all the talent of the UNC now in the COP but the COP still trying to get UNCA people to join them. :D

Well isn't the UNC waiting 48 hours for the COP to join with them? COP seems to want some UNC members to join. UNC want the entire party.

I guess crossing the floor is still viewed as a major coup.

Honestly though, even as a COP supporter I do not think either the UNC or COP are focusing enough energy towards the PNM at this time. Hopefully when the manifestos come out we'll see more talk about the current issues that we're really interested in.

[just1fix]

Right and that is why the COP was busy calling Kamla she said so on the radio today in an interview to come and join them, the UNC wash up all the talent of the UNC now in the COP but the COP still trying to get UNCA people to join them. :D

That isn't what I said. You need to read what people write and respond to that rather than what you would like to respond to. Anything else is intellectual dishonesty.

I said that the UNC as a party has gone through. That says nothing about the talent contained therein. There are still many individuals within the UNC who can make a contribution. With Jack and Bas at the head, there is no room for new ideas or differences of opinion, or any form of initiative. All this will be seen as a challenge to Basdeo Panday which cannot be tolerated.
Case in point is Kamla sharing her hurt but staying around to take more licks.

COP recognizes that UNC is never going to make it back into power. They also recognize that some members of the UNC can contribute and strengthen the COP if they were to come across. That is the reality.

Do not be mislead; UNC cannot win the next government without the swing voters. COP will lose those voters if they have an alliance with the UNC once Basdeo Panday and Jack Warner are in charge.

So you have to decide : Vote for UNC and possibly make it back into opposition, or throw your weight behind the swing voters, vote COP and make it back into government.

Don't get fooled by this stupid talk of consitutitional majority as the threat of why to vote UNC.
Once manning gets back into power, he is going to do an untold amount of damage to the treasury and our nations institutions regardless of whether he has that majority or not. The opposition is going to be able to do little to stop him.
So you have to decide whether to vote COP to get him out, or vote UNC for Opposition so that MPS could continue to get they little salary and benefits while the nation is destroyed.

[just1fix]

Right and that is why the COP was busy calling Kamla she said so on the radio today in an interview to come and join them, the UNC wash up all the talent of the UNC now in the COP but the COP still trying to get UNCA people to join them. :D

That isn't what I said. You need to read what people write and respond to that rather than what you would like to respond to. Anything else is intellectual dishonesty.

I said that the UNC as a party has gone through. That says nothing about the talent contained therein. There are still many individuals within the UNC who can make a contribution. With Jack and Bas at the head, there is no room for new ideas or differences of opinion, or any form of initiative. All this will be seen as a challenge to Basdeo Panday which cannot be tolerated.
Case in point is Kamla sharing her hurt but staying around to take more licks.

COP recognizes that UNC is never going to make it back into power. They also recognize that some members of the UNC can contribute and strengthen the COP if they were to come across. That is the reality.

Do not be mislead; UNC cannot win the next government without the swing voters. COP will lose those voters if they have an alliance with the UNC once Basdeo Panday and Jack Warner are in charge.

So you have to decide : Vote for UNC and possibly make it back into opposition, or throw your weight behind the swing voters, vote COP and remove PNM from government.

Don't get fooled by this stupid talk of consitutitional majority as the threat of why to vote UNC.
Once manning gets back into power, he is going to do an untold amount of damage to the treasury and our nation's democratic institutions regardless of whether he has that majority or not. The opposition is going to be able to do little to stop him as we have seen over the last few years.
So you have to decide whether to vote COP to get him out, or vote UNC for Opposition so that the current MPS could continue to get they little salary and benefits while the nation is destroyed.

[Maccogirl]

How is the COP so sure that the swing voters or the undecided voting COP they tell you that or you just going on what Yetming trying to make voters believe? All this talk about COP has the swing vote where is the data on that have you seen the numbers if so tell me where these swing voter are coming from?

No party can rely on the unappealing nature of their opponents UNCA/ PNM to be a strong enough motivation to win elections that just don't cut it friend not in this game.Neither should the COP feel that Dookeran has this cleaner image to Manning and Bas so he home free.

Swing votes are just that swing meaning it can go either way or they can abstain if that is what you are placing your premise on as to winning this election all lorse before you even get out of the box.

[just1fix]

Macco, keep kidding yourself that the indian heartland base is going to take UNC back into power. Every poll in this country is showing the swing voters supporting Dookeran.

You can spew propaganda and throw up FUD as much as you like but you have to acknowledge one thing : The UNC is no longer attractive to non-indian voters in this country. If you go to any COP meeting or look at any poll you will see the evidence of this.

COP is not relying on the unappealing nature of the PNM or UNC. I was merely showing you that UNC cannot hope to win the next elections. COP is relying on the fact that people will use common sense and vote on issues and the capability of its leaders.

Secondly the COP does feel that Dookeran has a clean image. The rest of the country including PNM and UNC supporters already know this. That is why people are supporting him. For you to feel otherwise shows you are completely out of tune with reality.

You need to stop writing things things you wish to happen and acknowledge the facts as they are. The UNC is an anachronism and you are supporting them and writing propaganda here because you cannot cope with change. Embrace it, and give your country some hope of a future.

[Maccogirl]

Just fix you real jokey yes seems like you only looking at the Ansa poll, COP meeting getting smaller the media always willing to show PNM crowd, UNCA crowd when it comes to COP you get to see Dookeran nothing more how come the media don't show us these large crowds that you keep talking about I have no problem with seeing them they should show the public.

Stop writing on here why?? I on this site longer than you and am sure if the administrators had a problem with me they would not of hesitated to let me know, just ask some of my good friend on here dey does ban people from this site boy :lol:

Hmmm so now am a propagandist because I don't support the COP nope I seeing it real no spin here, you better wake up and smell the roses :roll:

[just1fix]

Macco, your ability to read and assimilate the english language is troubling. I will spell it out for you so you don't misunderstand me. Answer one thing though, how have you been able to carry on for so many years if you are unable to read and understand such a simple post?

To be clear, I did not mean that you should stop posting on this newsgroup. I meant that you needed to stop writing things as you wished them to be instead of how they really were. I said this in reference to your completely absurd imputation that Dookeran was as dirty and tainted as Manning and Panday.

As for propaganda, the UNC crowds were big that they had to doctor the photo in the newspapers from the rally on Sunday. Go have a close look at them and see the repeating patterns and missing landmarks that should be there.

You also chose to ignore (conveniently) the fact that UNC has NO support among non-indian voters without whom UNC cannot get into power. SO what are you asking people to do? Put UNC back in opposition?

Why don't you tell me why I should put my principles aside and vote for two men who are clearly tainted by corruption and lack of integrity, and cannot be trusted to keep their word. Tell me how this will be the basis for good governance in the future.

Also tell me how Dookeran is as tainted as Dookeran and Manning. Did Dookeran take a scholarship for his daughter when he was Prime Minister when there were no other contenders? Did he fail to declare his accounts when the law clearly required him to do so. Did he look the other way when there was widespread looting at the airport. Did he launch into tirades calling people jackasses and neemakharams? Did he have judgements against him for branding people psuedo-racists?

So when I say you are a UNC propagandist, I read what you write and then look at the reality. They are so different that it is hard to conceive what reality you exist in and my belief is that you cannot possibly believe the things you are saying. My only conclusion is that you have to be a UNC propagandist.

I hope in the coming election that you will do something because of ethical principles and love of your country rather than through blind loyalty to two people Jack and Bas who do not deserve it.

[Maccogirl]

Hello I never asked you to vote UNCA you are free to vote for whoever you want that is your right, just as I am free to support who ever I want, you can call it doctored pictures or what ever you want, but the fact of the matter is the crowd was huge for a party that was supposed to be dead. In the same manner the PNM crowd was also huge.

Why is it so important for the COP to say the UNCA crowd was not large I am very sure not one of you expected that kind of turnout, lord just for once admit the people did well and move on, its just silly to hear COP people saying they went on Goggle earth and all this nonsense :roll:

[just1fix]

MACCOGIRL
You honestly expect me to beleive based on your posts that you not trying to convince people to vote for UNC and not to vote for COP? Please. UNC should have hired a better propagandist.

Furthermore, Its not important to ME how large the crowd is. You brought it up about the size of crowds in your own post.
>"COP meeting getting smaller the media always willing to show PNM crowd, UNCA crowd when it comes to COP you get to >see Dookeran..." I was merely trying to show you that UNC has to resort to cheap tactics to prove to people how big its crowd was.

I also don't give a damn about what other COP supporters said about Google earth. I think for myself and am not beholden to Dookeran or anyone else. Every party has its quirks. COP is not different and I am not naive enough to beleive it is free of problems. Unlike the UNC and PNM though its problems are not insurmountable.

The question I want you to answer is why you keep knocking COP if you don't want people to vote UNC. So you just breezing in here 15-20 times a day to post articles online because you don't have nothing else to do?

Everytime someone raises a valid point for your to respond to, you conveniently ignore it or sidestep the issue.

At least I am honest in my posts. I am making a case for undecided voters and those whose navel string not buried with UNC to consider COP as a chance to rid themselves of the baggage of maximum leader politics.

I think its time for you to be honest with the people who are reading this forum since you are a fixture here.
Answer my questions about why I should vote for a corrupt and tainted UNC instead of voting for COP in keeping with my principles?

C'mon earn your keep for the UNC. Your untouchable infallible squeaky clean leader expects it of you.

[Maccogirl]

Why you getting so heated? If I care to spend my time on here what is it to you? I always spend my time on here and this is not now, you know its attitude like yours that have made so many posters that were on here leave to other sites, cool yourself you want to vote COP go ahead but don't expect me not to answer when the majority of you come on here cussing Panday and Jack daily.

Just look at the post it has more COP supporters on here than it has UNC or PNM supporters. So you all can post whatever you want and we must not respond just say nothing and read it. It's ok when you knock the UNCA but you cant stand my knocking COP read back the dam threads every single one of them is bombarded by COP supporters.

This thread is about the UNC ad on TV just read some of the replies and where it went, you COP supporters take over the thread posting one set of nonsense irrelevant to the topic and I must not reply oh please check and see who are the people on here that really trying to convince people to vote for their party don't be so dam hypocritical. :roll:

[just1fix]

Macco, you turned the thread into this by yourself. See your first response to my post and the subsequent followups. I was merely responding to your posts. Do not blame me for your own errors. Or is that a typical UNC trait which is unavoidable?

Secondly, I asked you a simple question. Since you live on this forum, and you are clearly a supporter of the UNC. Why don't you do something useful besides criticize the COP and tell me something constructive about why we should vote for the UNC. Answer the important questions I asked about putting aside my principles to vote for people who are heavily tainted in the UNC.

Or do you think as your post suggests that I should vote for the UNC because they spend plenty money to develop a fancy ad?

[Maccogirl]

I told you before I don't care who you vote for it does not matter to me you can vote for who ever you wish, I know who I voting for and that to me is what is important so vote for who ever you want am not here to convince you to vote for anyone, but am not going to sit here and not reply when I asked persons about the ad on and you come with this nonsense.

You know that UNC gone through when the only thing you could do to make them look good is to post an article about how polished their ad looking.
The next ad should have Panday beating Kamla with a belt for embarassing him on sunday, but Jack should hire steven spielberg to do it.

I guess you found that post funny :roll:

[just1fix]

I did. And if you want to keep on topic as you ostensibly say out do then I would like you to answer the question:

What is the usefulness of a big shiny polished ad when it is a facade for a party which is rotten to the core?

Do you get comfort from the fact that UNC could put together a nice ad? Does that ensure they will provide good governance?

When we start to deal with substantive issues you change subject. hopefully you won't this time.

[Maccogirl]

Did they not provide good governance if they did not then I should say that the members of the COP should also carry that blame were they not also in the UNC government? Is the COP not saying that this team in the COP from the UNC are they ones that helped the UNC perform? so which is it did the UNC perform or not perform during those 6 years? Did you get good governance or not?

[just1fix]

In the early days they did. . However they were involved in corruption and Basdeo Panday became a snarling tiger attacking anything he perceived as threatening. The end of the UNC is marred by bad governance which eventually led to the collapse of the government. Is that your definition of good governance. And who engineered it? Holy crap he is back in the party.

The question is will they provide good governance in the future? Can 3 tainted men who are not respected by most lead a country ?
The bottom line is they will never make it back into power. What you doing is ensuring that Basdeo Panday could warm a seat in the opposition bench while the country goes to hell.

[Maccogirl]

So why is it that Dookeran, Ganga, yetming and the entire bunch of them did not leave then? Were they all in involved in corruption if I can recall not many left the UNC at that time and none of the names listed were in that group so why did they stay?

[cm103]

I have to ask this question since I didn't see it in any other post.

The UNC doesn't have a clear candidate for PM at this time and we getting roundabout answers as to who it will be. Panday says it will be chosen from the person who has the majority support of parliament.

Manning wants an Executive Presidency also to be chosen by parliament.

If the people have no direct choice in who chooses our next leader but we need to trust the few to make that decision for the many then what is the main difference between Panday and Manning's plan?

[peanut]

I have to ask this question since I didn't see it in any other post.

The UNC doesn't have a clear candidate for PM at this time and we getting roundabout answers as to who it will be. Panday says it will be chosen from the person who has the majority support of parliament.

Ignorance is really bliss ..

From the Party who has the majority of seats and is to form the Gov't, the person who commands the support of the majority of the said Party shall be appointed PM by the President.

Manning wants an Executive Presidency also to be chosen by parliament.

If the people have no direct choice in who chooses our next leader but we need to trust the few to make that decision for the many then what is the main difference between Panday and Manning's plan?

The same difference as Dookeran ......

[cm103]

Right Peanut but we have always voted for a clear leader who was defined before the elections. After the results are tallied you know who the nominee would be since he was elected leader by his party before the voters went to the polls. In cases where the elected leader did not win his seat then the party majority would send another name to the Pres.

This cat in bag business takes the clear choice away from the people. If COP win then its Dookeran, if PNM win, it's Manning. If the UNC win its who? This is all assuming that they win their seats.

[peanut]

Right Peanut but we have always voted for a clear leader who was defined before the elections. After the results are tallied you know who the nominee would be since he was elected leader by his party before the voters went to the polls. In cases where the elected leader did not win his seat then the party majority would send another name to the Pres.

This cat in bag business takes the clear choice away from the people. If COP win then its Dookeran, if PNM win, it's Manning. If the UNC win its who? This is all assuming that they win their seats.


This is the kind of assumptions that is keeping T&T as a 3rd world banana republic. THE PRIME MINSTER IS NOT CHOSEN BY THE ELECTORATE ... IT IS CHOSEN BY THE MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT FROM THE PARTY WHO HAS WON THE MOST SEATS!

WHY DO YOU THINK MANNING HAS CHOSEN TO GET RID OF THOSE WHO OPPOSED HIM .. WITH HIS INTENTIONS HE COULD NOT TAKE THE CHANCE OF NOT BEING SELECTED TO BE THE PRIME MINISTER!

[cm103]

Peanut, I know the law. The UNC put us through too many close elections now for me to forget it.

Let me break this down for you because you are probably not seeing what I am saying.

In the past elections was there ever a doubt who commanded their party's support? Both before and after elections you had a clearly defined leader who you knew would most likely have the PM job should their party win. A lot of people would base their votes on the 'face' of the party who they view as being their next leader.

You keep saying Manning has gotten rid of those who opposed him. What has Panday done differently in the UNC?

[peanut]

Peanut, I know the law. The UNC put us through too many close elections now for me to forget it.

Let me break this down for you because you are probably not seeing what I am saying.

I see what you are saying, but are you hearing yourself?

In the past elections was there ever a doubt who commanded their party's support? Both before and after elections you had a clearly defined leader who you knew would most likely have the PM job should their party win. A lot of people would base their votes on the 'face' of the party who they view as being their next leader.

yeah, we call that "tradition" the reason why the Ship of State is in sailing in perilous waters

You keep saying Manning has gotten rid of those who opposed him. What has Panday done differently in the UNC?

Dr. Williams did it too! Don't you think Dookeran will do any differently? All politicians are cut from the same cloth and measured by the same yardstick!

[cm103]

Ok from your last post you really lost me.

Are you really saying that because of tradition we are in trouble now for our democracy?

Also, I can only guess what Dookeran will do with those who oppose him. I can see plainly what Panday and Manning did.

Does our democratic process stop at the door of the political parties we ask to represent us?

[peanut]

Ok from your last post you really lost me.

Are you really saying that because of tradition we are in trouble now for our democracy?

WHEW!!!! FINALLY YOU ARE BEGINNING TO GET IT! that is why I called for an ACCOMODATION between the 2 Parties

Also, I can only guess what Dookeran will do with those who oppose him. I can see plainly what Panday and Manning did.

Does our democratic process stop at the door of the political parties we ask to represent us?

ABSOLUTELY! and the only way at this time we can safeguard our Democracy is for an accommodation between the COP and the UNC.

The door is not yet closed for that to happen as one day in politics is like a year and there is 2 more days to Nomination day. The question is ... are our Leaders mature enough to put aside personalities and party and do what is in the best interest of T&T. History will record this.

[cm103]

Peanut, I do not see Panday as a suitable alternative to save our Democratic process. Judging from his past tyrannic attitude to anyone in his own party who dared voiced any difference in opinion to his iron fist in dealing with his political opponents I cannot in good conscience cast a vote for any party that he represents anymore.

To have an accomodation there must be somne sort of trust. Bas mash up any alliance that he was previously a part of. Why would anyone try to repeat the mistakes of the past.

MY old man used to tell me something before he passed on. He picked this up from WWII when he was in the Blitz of London.

If we forget the mistakes of our past we are destined to repeat it.

I think it suits this situation.

Peanut, can you tell me specifically, if it's not too personal. Why did you stop supporting the PNM, went to COP and are not supporting the UNC?

I don't mean that as an antagonistic question. I am genuinely curious. I'm sure you have valid reasons.

[Maccogirl]

They way I look at it after that showing in St. Augustine last night is Dookeran's seat now in danger if it is who will take his place and what if the COP gets a few seats are these people that happen to win their seats under the COP going to feel they have more say than Dookeran will they still hold the party line and follow the dictates of their leader?

Dookeran has people like Ramlogan and Ganga around him all with great ambitions what will happen to Dookeran if these men win their seats and Dooks does not win his, don't cuss now am just asking for the sake of discussion.

[cm103]

This has been brought up before in a previous thread. Like when Chambers lost his seat in 1986, Manning won his and the majority of support from his party colleagues to lead the party.

I guess the COP will do the same and elect a leader from the parliamentarians. I hope Dooks stays around to help build the party on the side though.

[Maccogirl]

For Dooks sake I hope he takes a long hard look at some of the people that he has surrounded his self with, they are political grass hoppers Dooks intentions may be noble but all skin teeth is no laugh so he better pay attention to that.

[peanut]

Peanut, I do not see Panday as a suitable alternative to save our Democratic process. Judging from his past tyrannic attitude to anyone in his own party who dared voiced any difference in opinion to his iron fist in dealing with his political opponents I cannot in good conscience cast a vote for any party that he represents anymore.

To have an accomodation there must be somne sort of trust. Bas mash up any alliance that he was previously a part of. Why would anyone try to repeat the mistakes of the past.

MY old man used to tell me something before he passed on. He picked this up from WWII when he was in the Blitz of London.

If we forget the mistakes of our past we are destined to repeat it.

I think it suits this situation.

Peanut, can you tell me specifically, if it's not too personal. Why did you stop supporting the PNM, went to COP and are not supporting the UNC/

I don't mean that as an antagonistic question. I am genuinely curious. I'm sure you have valid reasons.

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE VERY VALID.

MY REASONS FOR NOT SUPPORTING THE PNM IS NOT JUST PERSONAL, but I HAVE KNOWN ALL ALONG WHAT MANNING INTENDED TO DO LONG BEFORE THE NEW CONSTITUTION WAS EVEN DRAFTED and I NEVER AGREED WITH IT.

I AM SURE YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY IF THE PNM WINS A SPECIAL MAJORITY THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER GENERAL ELECTION IN T&T AGAIN, AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO YOUR BANK.

I WAS NEVER IN FAVOR OF THE CREATION OF 2 OPPOSITION PARTIES, HOWEVER I SUPPORTED THE COP TO AN EXTEND IN THAT I AGREE Mr PANDAY SHOULD STEP AWAY FROM THE LEADERSHIP AND ALLOW THE UNC TO BE STRENGTHENED AND TO BECOME A VIABLE OPTION UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP AFTER ALL THE CORRUPTON ALLEGATIONS.

I WENT BACK TO THE UNC CAUSE I REALIZED THE HEAD HONCHOS IN THE COP ARE NOT PUTTING THE INTEREST OF THE COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY.

THE FACT IS ... IT IS WHAT IT IS AND ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT ONLY A UNITED OPPOSITION CAN WIN THE ELECTION and KNOWING OUR DEMOCRACY IS IN JEOPARDY, IT IS UNCONSCIONABLE AFTER ALL THE CALLS, WHY THE COP CANNOT AGREE TO AN ACCOMODATION.

IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT AN ACCOMMODATED OPPOSITION HAVE TO SIT IN GOV'T, BUT THEY WILL PRESSURE THE GOV'T TO PUT THE PEOPLE FIRST AND PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY FROM THAT DICTATOR WHO FULLY INTEND TO TURN T&T INTO A SOCIALIST REPUBLIC.

[peanut]

This has been brought up before in a previous thread. Like when Chambers lost his seat in 1986, Manning won his and the majority of support from his party colleagues to lead the party.

I guess the COP will do the same and elect a leader from the parliamentarians. I hope Dooks stays around to help build the party on the side though.

You are wrong on that, Muriel Donowa McDavidson was the first choice to lead the PNM after that defeat, however Manning was given the nod because of his experience in various Ministries.

[cm103]

For Dooks sake I hope he takes a long hard look at some of the people that he has surrounded his self with, they are political grass hoppers Dooks intentions may be noble but all skin teeth is no laugh so he better pay attention to that.

Ok lets say for conversation sake that Jack and Panday lose their seats. You then possibly have RLM vying for the leadership role if he wins his. You want to talk about political grasshoppers then?

If Dooks lose he seat then the people elected to parliament will choose a leader from themselves. They were voted into their seats by a majority so they have to choose between who the people already chose to represent them. That seems simple enough.

If the people think that their cadidate is a political grasshopper then they don't need to vote them to a seat and thus no chance of becoming the next political leader of the COP should Dooks lose his seat.

Peanut, you are right there. i just confirmed that point with a friend of mine who was a PNM member since the early Williams days and has since come over to the COP.

[peanut]

For Dooks sake I hope he takes a long hard look at some of the people that he has surrounded his self with, they are political grass hoppers Dooks intentions may be noble but all skin teeth is no laugh so he better pay attention to that.

Ok lets say for conversation sake that Jack and Panday lose their seats. You then possibly have RLM vying for the leadership role if he wins his. You want to talk about political grasshoppers then?

If Dooks lose he seat then the people elected to parliament will choose a leader from themselves. They were voted into their seats by a majority so they have to choose between who the people already chose to represent them. That seems simple enough.

If the people think that their cadidate is a political grasshopper then they don't need to vote them to a seat and thus no chance of becoming the next political leader of the COP should Dooks lose his seat.

Peanut, you are right there. i just confirmed that point with a friend of mine who was a PNM member since the early Williams days and has since come over to the COP.

I was a member of the PNM before Dr. Williams died and became an activist for the PNM after he died.