Valley on TV

[cm103]

I cyah make it home but I just got a call saying that Valley on TV talking about how he stood up to Manning and his plans to become the Executive President. Anyone watching it and could report back?

[Sirius]

Valley has, in a winded way granted, said that what is happening within the PNM is "not democratic". When pressed by Shelly Dass, he said that yes, it is worrying that an Executive President through constitutional majority is worrysome in the context of a possible dictator.

At the end, Shelly held up a print of tomorrow's Guardian. The heading is Valley comes out, dictator in the making with a photo of Manning - or something to that effect. Shelly asked Valley to confirm that this is indeed what he is saying, and he said yes. He stated he does not think there is anything wrong with an Executive President, so long as the checks and balances are in place. He does not think they are.

Valley also said that he remains a PNM. But, he also at one point made it clear he thinks that PNMites have a habit of pretending an issue does not exist, which he does not think is healthy and that if there is a problem it should be addressed. He has said he does not expect to be put back on as a candidate, and he will work with the new candidate and so forth. However, he will continue looking for an answer and find out what is going on even if it turns out to be only an academic matter at the end. He made it clear that something is very wrong within the PNM, but he has made it clear that he does not think running from it is the answer.

I don't think he has done the best job as an MP, and I don't agree with his being with the PNM. I can however respect his angle on this matter.

[knives]

and he is still a PNM after all this? What is he afraid of?

[BW]

Valley should know better than to burn the bridge he crossed.

[peanut]

Valley should know better than to burn the bridge he crossed.

But all yuh doing like Valley say anything I haven't been preaching in this forum. steups!

[JediKnight]

Valley should know better than to burn the bridge he crossed.

I don't think that he burned it. It was burned for him. He is just trying to cry sour grapes now.

[rivers]

There are time when a person goes too far, and in my view he has gone too far. Dictators don't have multi-parties elections

[peanut]

There are time when a person goes too far, and in my view he has gone too far. Dictators don't have multi-parties elections

Who has gone too far .. Ken Valley???? You stay dey eh fella, Manning go make all yuh hold all yuh head and bawl while all yuh eating the bread made from the flour that the devil knead. All yuh go ahead and feel Manning is real people. That man is evil to he rotten core!

[citizen]

Valley has admitted what most of us have known for some time, viz. that Manning has been exhibiting a dictatorial attititude. The publication of Valley's comments in the Guardian leaves no question as to what Valley thinks of Manning's behaviour. In the words of Valley, there are no checks and balances.

From my perspective, the list of dictatorial edicts and actions is a long one and is cloaked under the umbrella of what is best for the country. Unfortunately, people can only view politics through a racial lens and I suspect that Manning will be elected again. I am sorry to say that the reasonable men and women leaders of this country are swearing allegiance to diverse groups with no coherence or vision for T&T. By and large, the politicians are a greedy bunch who put their own needs and wants before those of the country.

I wish that all the politicians with some degree of honour and integrity would band together under the COP and herald a new beginning. There is no room for the likes of Manning, Panday, or Warner to be at the helm. I support Dookeran 100%, but I do not believe that T&T is ready for such an honest, decent, and intelligent leader who has a vision for the country and also a viable plan to make that vision a reality.

[King B]

What I want to know is if Valley felt this way all along why is he only speaking up after losing in an attempt to desperately rejoin the very party he is now claiming is lead by a dictator? Why would he help his replacement to win a seat that could help Manning implement his executive presidency plan? Steups! Valley is a boy whose political career is on life support, all he has to do now is join another party and it would be dead. Hope he does it soon.

[Maccogirl]

KingB fear not my friend Yetming told TV 6 that the COP is making a play for Ken Valley guess Valley is no longer on of them nasty, thieving PNM ministers again he get washed clean of all sin so Valley is welcome in the COP now just like Achong wife and all others. :D

[cm103]

KingB fear not my friend Yetming told TV 6 that the COP is making a play for Ken Valley guess Valley is no longer on of them nasty, thieving PNM ministers again he get washed clean of all sin so Valley is welcome in the COP now just like Achong wife and all others. :D

Get your facts straight girl. Coudrey took Manning to court and won and she defied him in trying to move her from San 'do to Point.

COP should not go after Valley or Achong but it looks like Achong only helping his wife and not looking for no seat this rounds.

Allyuh have ramesh right? what you'll worried about? You'll could trust him right?

[Maccogirl]

So Coudrey take Manning to court and that will make her win her seat?? all yuh wake up nah :D :D

[lou_uk]

What Valley says

Kenneth Valley alleges that PNM political leader PM Patrick Manning is demonstrating a “dictatorial attitude.”
He speaks of guarding against Manning getting a special majority “that will allow for the executive presidency through the back door.”
He promises to help Dr Amery Browne win the Diego Martin Central seat

BY GAIL ALEXANDER

Outgoing People’s National Movement (PNM) Diego Martin Central MP Kenneth Valley is concerned that the political leader of his party, Patrick Manning, is demonstrating a “dictatorial attitude.”

In his first candid interview since his rejection and the PNM’s central executive approved Manning’s recommendation of Dr Amery Browne as the candidate for Diego Martin Central, Valley said he had no row with Manning, and did not know what had caused the situation.

He said he had not discussed it with Manning beyond the initial issue of the PNM’s Bill Johnson performance poll. Valley said:

“I paid no mind to such polls. Mr Manning knows my capacity for work at the constituency level and the national level. So there was no deep discussion on the issue.

“He wanted to offer alternatives, and I said I would not negotiate for my seat—I would be an MP or out of office. And that was the last of it.”

Asked to explain his statement about forces binding together, Valley replied:

“I said that everyone has an obligation to be guided by one’s conscience, and if you see what is happening and you have an interest in the country in doing what you think is right, then you have a duty to take a stand.

“I am saying that if you perceive action that is dictatorial, and if you think that someone is hoping to be executive president, you have to ask if you want a constitutional dictator and you have to make that decision.

“Everyone has to decide. Therefore, I’m saying that persons with good principles ought to do what is required in the situation to deal with it.”

Asked if he was referring to Manning’s proposals for an executive president, Valley replied:

“You can draw your own conclusions.” He added:

“The PNM has been, or is, an excellent party. It has done much good for T&T, and if I could make a distinction between the PNM and the current political leader, I would have.

“While I support the PNM to win elections, we need to guard against a special majority that will allow for the executive presidency through the back door.”

Valley recalled that when he resigned as deputy leader in 1998—when he had a disagreement with Manning—he had said then that he would not work with someone who demonstrated a dictatorial atitude.

“After a five-hour meeting then, I thought we had agreed on a course of action. But now it is glaring that the gentleman is going down that road and I am seeing clearly, now, his intent.

“When you consider that it is the political leader alone who determines the 41candidates, and when you consider that as Prime Minister he will make the 16 senatorial appointments in a government; couple that with if he gets 32 seats he will go for an executive presidency...Understand what that means!

“That is my concern. There are some who would say it is a case of sour grapes. I could have done like others and shut my mouth and be a senator or an ambassador, since alternatives to being an MP were offered.

“But this is a fundamental principle, and while I say I love my party and I am loyal to the PNM, I love my country more.”

Smear campaign

Valley said he had nothing personal against Manning, “but he has taken certain actions which show certain traits that are not in the best interest of my country.

“I have taken a position that while in some ways he has done extremely well for T&T, I think he has demonstrated that his actions are clearly not in the best interests of T&T.

“Without his approval, none of the 41 candidates would have gotten their seats. It didn’t seem to matter what the party groups or constituencies wanted.”

Asked if Manning’s action was high-handed, Valley continued:

“You have to draw your own conclusions. I was unopposed at the constituency level. I got the support of the executive and the majority of the members of the screening committee.

“It was the political leader, using his veto power, that opposed me and that stopped me from representing my constituency.

“The letter of the law gives him that veto power. But whether it was in keeping with the spirit of the law and the PNM constitution and whether it respected the democracy the party is known for, is another thing.”

Valley said after he presented his case to PNM’s central executive last Friday, he asked the members to make a decision on the type of party they wanted.

He admitted that he was surprised that the central executive decided in favour of the political leader’s recommendations instead of his.

“But one can understand it, since I understand that the political leader had told them ‘if we backed down on the issue’ he ‘could as well go home.'”

Valley dismissed allegations that a $2-million gambling debt which he incurred had to be paid by a contracting company.

“That’s a smear campaign that comes out of the woodwork in times like this. It is an evil part of the party I’d like to see exterminated, but until that time we’ll have to live with it.

“They can’t understand when an individual stands on principle.

“The PNM, for me, is still the best party in T&T. We’ve done very well in 50 years. From time to time we’ve had individuals that have tried to subvert the party’s good intentions.

“Dr (Eric) Williams faced a similar situation in 1976, but his actions were quite different.”

Valley said he would remain with the PNM.

“I hope to bring closure to this. I have done what I feel I had an obligation to do...bring it to the national community and let the people make their own decision.

“There’s nothing more for me to do on this issue at this time.”

And the public won’t see Valley on a COP or UNC platform for this election campaign, he assured.

Valley to help Browne win seat

Valley made it clear he had no intention of leaving the PNM and that he intended to assist PNM Diego Martin Central candidate Dr Amery Browne to keep the seat in the PNM.

Valley said Browne had been seeking a meeting with him and that he agreed to meet with him tomorrow to help him win the seat.

“I intend to assist Dr Browne with the campaign and as of November 5, I become citizen Ken.

“I’ll do my bit to ensure that the legacy I worked hard for in Diego Martin Central will not be destroyed. I’ve done soul- searching...I’ve worked hard in my seat for 17 years and we have unfinished business.

“Dr Browne has done me nothing. I have no fight with him. Therefore, I’ll provide him with the support to keep the seat in the loving hands of the PNM.

“After 17 years, I have to take care of the people I represented. They have nothing to do with my feelings or the principled stand I feel I must take with respect to the actions of the political leader.”

Valley said he’d met key members of his executive yesterday, and asked everyone to pull together.

Asked about plans for his future—political or otherwise—Valley said he would be 60 on February 8th.

“While I thought I would have served another five years, they have now given me five years to pursue a new career—whatever that will be.”

As for his tenure as deputy leader, Valley said the political leader could terminate that appointment at any time.

After yesterday, he said, he was finished saying any more on the issue.

Is he on something? In one breath he is warning the population in another he is going to help the guy win his seat?

[cm103]

So Coudrey take Manning to court and that will make her win her seat?? all yuh wake up nah :D :D

Your point was comparing Valley and Coudrey, not about seats and who go win what. Just so you know, she has the support of the majority of the city corporation.

Go ahead and debate that she has that.

Oh and read Cadiz's statement. I sure one set of bad talk will now go his way since he speaking up. At least the man not for sale.

[Maccogirl]

Cadiz sounding like sour grapes like he wanted to lead the Alliance, you know how hard it is for some people to understand that massa day done a long time ago, all this talk about he wanted Kamla when he led a referendum which he delivered to the President to get rid of Manning and the Opposition Leader Kamla, now he in love all of a sudden. :D :D

[cm103]

Cadiz sounding like sour grapes like he wanted to lead the Alliance, you know how hard it is for some people to understand that massa day done a long time ago, all this talk about he wanted Kamla when he led a referendum which he delivered to the President to get rid of Manning and the Opposition Leader Kamla, now he in love all of a sudden. :D :D

And I sure you was jumping up when him and YesTT joined the 'Alliance'. Typical UNC attitude, can't nobody be any good if they not party members. The Russian communist party had a similar outlook.

Go read cadiz's story before yuh buss yuh gums. Also pick up an express today and look at the headlines.

Oh and the weekend polls have COP ahead of both PNM and UNC in support. It even have Manning commenting on them.

[Maccogirl]

Like you did not see I said COP winning all 41 seats so what you so unhappy about :D :D

[Scorpio]

Cry me a river, Ken, I have to agree with KBB on this one, why yuh didn't speak up before yuh get dumped, and if yuh so damn concerned about Manning's quest to become exec prez, why yuh still helping PNM in the elections ? :evil:

...and yuh really ent say anything about Manning we didn't already know :evil: