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[KFCSpicy]

Falcon Ah want yuh to read this story and see the elements of Wonderful reporting....(not) :shock:

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161271710 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161271710)

Fingerprint leads to death sentence

Keino Swamber South Bureau


A 24-year-old man, who was identified by a fingerprint found on a number plate, was yesterday found guilty of murder and sentenced to death by hanging.

The sentence was passed on Nimrod Miguel by Justice Ian Brook in the San Fernando First Assize Court following the announcement of the verdict by the 12-member jury shortly after 5.30 p.m.

As he was led away by police officers, Miguel insisted that he was innocent and played no part in the killing of 37-year-old fisherman Ramesh Lalchan of Fullerton Village, Cedros.

Miguel cursed media photographers as he was led away to a police van.

Lalchan's wife, Shaffina, told reporters last night that she was satisfied that her family finally received justice.

She was accompanied at the court by three of her sons, Roshan, Stephen and Ganesh.

"I just want to thank the police, the lawyers and God for this," she said.

Evidence on behalf of the State was led by attorneys Mauriceia Joseph and Angelica Teelucksingh.

Lalchan, a father of five, was hijacked near the Usine Ste Madeline pond on the night of December 31, 2003 by a group of men, including Miguel, who took him to a canefield at Fairfield Road, Princes Town and shot him several times in his head. The men then left in Lalchan's car.

Lalchan's body was found by a man on his way to dig yams and a report was made to the Princes Town Police Station.

Inspector Azam Mohammed and Sgt Gregory Renwick during their investigations found Lalchan's car a few days later and lifted a fingerprint from the number plate, which was in Lalchan's car trunk.

Justice Brook commended the police for the manner in which they conducted their investigation.

He said Mohammed and Renwick exuded "an extreme degree of professionalism" and that they proved themselves to be "great assets" to the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.

Appearing on behalf of Miguel were attorneys Capildeo Maharaj and Ramesh Deena.

Sooooooooooooo many things in this badly reported story that scaring me and alludes to Falcon's fears about the procedures the implement behind closed doors and thereby arrive at certain "facts". They found the man's finger print on a number plate in the trunk of the car. Cool! But based on what other evidence they convict and sentence a 24 year old man to death is what I would like to know. I all for de death penalty but as we all said in the other thread about it...The ways and means of acquiring the facts/evidence are gonna be one scary issue in Trinidad.

[Falcon]

But KFC,
the man has been convicted BY A COURT, which means the Laes of the land have been applied. And a jury to boot! How is this akin to the medical story where we believe people based on the fact that some people think they smaretr than them therefore they will believe everything they say(such poor use of 'they' in that sentence but you know what I mean :lol: ).

The guy would have had to answer why his print was on the number plate. We should have gottent the evidence about his proximity to the area in question, his knowlegde of the victim etc.....I agree 100% that reporting is terribly poor and most times the 'journalists' dont get all the facts- they take about two and then freehand the rest of the case/situation/incident/accident.

This is not the first and certainly not the last.

[KFCSpicy]

That's meh point. I am sure they didn't need much to go on after that finger print though but the way the media reports things is so bad that we will never get a true picture of things.

I am sure if he finger print on de number plate which was placed in the trunk of the deceased car then he would have had to have some knowledge of the owner of the car for it to get there. It could have gotten in before the death but I guess they know what they are doing as lawyers.

Or do they?? :?

[Falcon]

what is the solution to poor reporting and mauvaislange (ahh I cant ever spell that!) journalism in TT?

[KFCSpicy]

Shooting the press and getting smarter editors and better educated english majors or anyone with a proper grasp of putting a story together without using the standard trini reporting template?

:?

I going for shooting the press. :?

[Falcon]

Aye, people will get vex anytime someone suggest 'the white man from the white man country' coming to TT to improve police,postal service or newspaper standards! :lol: That is riot!

The UTT: do they have courses in journalism? What about UWI? Standards of excellence need to be drilled in from there. Then when you land your nice job in Guardian and Express, dont forget what you learnt! The media awards MUST insist on the highest standards.....but when is the pits judging their fellow pits...well you understand the situation.

What do we do as subscribers? Read and complain like me? Or do something? I dont know what to do! I read the internet, so I dont buy the paper papers. And I dont click any ads on the page so again, no money earned by the papers for clicks.......what else can I do?

[Falcon]

KFC,
like today is an open house with respect to poor quality journalism...
I see the papers more concerned with reporting dragon and dove on the Red House, or Jack giving people red cards and talking about Aloes. The reprters have the gall to say 'this happened during the crime debate' as if THAT is the side story!!!! Hahahaha :lol:

[greall]

I'm looking at the series finale of 'The Wire' on HBO and part of it is set within a newspaper room and I'm comparing that to what happens here:a reporter gets chastised for putting a doll in building so that she could write about a deceased 'child'... :lol:

My dad always says that he doesn't trust the media and sees them as self-serving and arrogant and I've started to think like him in that regard.

[KFCSpicy]

But Falcon,

I worked TV6 for about 6 months and the news then was badly put together and who was in charge...Dumdic Kaliper-very-sad. A self important, self aggrandising individual whose claim to fame is to loo sleepily into de camera for years on one channel. Now where he is? Not wukking for Guardian of Democracy?

The blind leading the blind and in all things they do they do it haff way. I wonder does the Bomb, Punch and TnT Mirror still do booming business? I used to hide and read the Punch Confessions....lawse have mussy.

So many things wrong at home eh...it eh funny and it's mostly people making bad choices or no choices at all.

[Falcon]

KFC, we will NOT ask UK 'hexperts' to help us raise our reporting standards......

I think they in a wusser state! (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=40482&in_page_id=34)

I know it have some people blacklisted from travelling to Dubai!!! :lol: :lol:

[serenity]

Honestly, I eh see nothing wrong with the article.

To me the angle of the report highlighted the the use of fingerprint evidence and gave kudos to the officers. But it didnt mislead in any way. Good news to those of us who have to hear on a daily basis all the rubbish that officers do in the course of their investigations.

As for poor journalism generally, as far as I am aware, these arent exactly the best qualified or the best paid ppl in the country. Sensationalism sells papers so thats how they are guided to write.

Its sad to see the headlines that are chosen these days when the country full of tourists.

[KFCSpicy]

:shock: :shock: :shock: :o

Them make a mistake like that? :shock:

no wonder they tail get banned lmao lmao. What yuh go do eh Falcs? Is human nature all over the world. I think it have to do with standards set from the word go. Ah mean if we had really high standards at the local newspapers at home then when the next generation of news reporters came in they would have a bar to aim for. Likewise here in the uk, whatever bar was set people come in and know they have to live up to it or exceed it...so if the bar is lower than the white line in de road then all ah dem go have it easy limboing. :roll:

[Falcon]

no wonder Metro is ah gee-way papers on d chube! :mrgreen:

[snowbird]

If my understanding of how laws are applied, and how the courts operate, I doubt the man was found guilty simply on fingerprints found on the licence plate; if that were so, trust me, the prisons in T&T would be full :lol: .
However, it appears to me that Trinidadians are so used to being fed 'every gory detail',(and I blame the media for this) that when they are simply told the results of investigation (not just criminal cases) they tend to be quite cynical.

[KFCSpicy]

no wonder Metro is ah gee-way papers on d chube! :mrgreen:

lmao...stop it now. Yuh jess being mean now!


SB the points Falcon and I are hinting at are not the fact that the police got praised, or the fact that the nimrod aptly named Nimrod's finger print was found on an item inside of the trunk of the car my dear....it was simply to point out the format of reporting and the way the newspapers dole out substandard half baked news and always leave the reader to speculate without a care in the world as to how the article is interpreted down the road.

I have a thing about rubbish english and reporting from journos/newspapers alike and I get the distinct feeling so does Falcs....hence why I directed the thread to him. He knew what I was speaking about and that was/is all that matters at this point.

[serenity]

So whats wrong with the article? Allyuh could help meh out here bec I still eh see what wrong. :oops:

[snowbird]

^^^
Well it would appear the Reporter while giving one angle of the story, (wanting to highlight the police efficiency in finger print detection) he also the audacity to mention the outcome of the case.

[KFCSpicy]

:roll: sigh!

I give up.

[serenity]

:roll: sigh!

I give up.

Eh eh! Jus so? You went to all that trouble in the manslaughter thread and yuh wouldnt even try to save me from my ignorance in this one?
Falcon? What wrong with de article please?

[Falcon]

58 words on the news that this man was found guilty, on the evidence, on the sentence, the judge and the jury. :roll:

90 words on the man cussin photgraphers, the victims satisfied, praises to God etc etc.

108 words on the murder itself, the history of it rather than any evidence besides the fingerprint. Even about a man going to dig yams.

41 words about the judge praising the police...almost as much as the newsworthy part of the article!!!

27 words on who represented who.

Now serenity: KFC's point was about the poor standard of reporting, especially reporting facts, in TT.

What did we learn from that article, all 324 words of it, that we didnt get from the 5 word headline, or even the 58 word intro?

Does your intelligence feel insulted after reading that article? Is like some old lady telling you some gossip by the village parlour!! No? Leave verbosity for Dim, and keep it put the national newspapers.

[KFCSpicy]

;) Thanks Falcon.

Nowhere in the article did they go into depth about what really should have mattered. The history up to date of the case, how they locate and eliminate other suspects. How the man was known to them (obviously he committed prior crimes for them to get his finger prints). Nothing that lead up to the initial judgement.

Just a man dig some yams, a man who went missing, the judge sentenced Nimmy to death and the allusion to one fingerprint being the culprit. Based on the police doing their jobs they were lawded in the newspapers. Sad eh? Is like we have to constantly be patting these low self esteemed, uncommitted members of our police force for the slightest job they carry out.

Is yuh job to locate evidence, why the back patting? Is like giving a man a trophy for being a good father...umm yuh tail was expected to be that way initially so what is the big fuss about? Kudos for going the extra mile I can totally applaud but if they weren't such rubbish in the fuss place the pat on the back would have never stood out in the poorly written article.

:geek:

[serenity]

Thanks Falcon.

Thats your complaint?! Verbosity?! (it seems KFC disagrees with u, she wanted more detail on the actual investigation) As to my intelligence being insulted bec they gave more detail than nec (or didnt give the right ones according to KFC), uh, clealy not since I didnt see anything wrong in the first place. And to be quite honest, still eh see nothing wrong. After all the bad news we've been hearing of all the 'murderers' who got away, I'm glad they took the 324 words to tell the story that finally, somebody going to jail. And further, that it was due to the good work of the polce officers. The fact that the judge actually gave kudos to the officers is, indeed worthy of reporting as there are so few of them that get that honour. Ah find allyuh nitpicking.

[Falcon]

no harm in that, surely.

[KFCSpicy]

Umm so what wrong wid me and Falcon nit picking de article? We calling a spade a spade. I eh think anyone sees harm as Falcon says in you disagreeing with the points raised Serenity. :?

[serenity]

No harm. Just silly. Surely if one wanted to bring to the fore poor reporting, there are many other articles which highlight that. This one certainly doesnt if your only criticism is verbosity. Seems like grasping at straws.

[KFCSpicy]

As you said yourself...there are many articles...I chose this one. ;)

[dancerboy]

I think this is a miscarriage of justice. If he could have afforded a high-powered lawyer,he would not have been found guilty. I would not have convicted anyone based on this evidence. Remeber there was DNA evidence at the scene of OJ's trial.

DANCERBOY