Einstein may have been wrong

[trini123]

After all that crap on nothing is faster than the speed of light using e=mc^2 they go ahead and find something that is faster.

Don't believe everything you read!

Start ripping out pages of your physics text books!


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903703604576588422968704078.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

[miktay]

What Einstein postulated iz that nothing can travel fm sub-light speed to ligtht or faster than light..

Objects traveling at faster than
Light or have zero mass.... do not apply...

[shield_2006]

the experiment is still under review

[lexbarker]

Does that fall under the string theory?

[trini123]

The speed of light is thought to be a constant c and the ultimate limit of speed of anything. True it is to be verified but if true this would be the scientific break through of the century; all thinking would need to be rethunk. The test would be verified.

[Randall]

"All that crap" ?

Really?

[trini123]

Maybe physics changes towards the end of the world. Maybe we need to consult Harold Camping on this(pic on left). Going to sleep now - need to get ready JD(Judgement Day).

[letric]

The speed of light is thought to be a constant c and the ultimate limit of speed of anything. True it is to be verified but if true this would be the scientific break through of the century; all thinking would need to be rethunk. The test would be verified.

Agree...

[vaio]

Maybe physics changes towards the end of the world. Maybe we need to consult Harold Camping on this(pic on left). Going to sleep now - need to get ready JD(Judgement Day).


:blink:

[skl]

After all that crap on nothing is faster than the speed of light using e=mc^2 they go ahead and find something that is faster.

Don't believe everything you read!

Start ripping out pages of your physics text books!


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903703604576588422968704078.html?m od=googlenews_wsj


sit down before you hurt yourself.

[Sirius]

:blink:

Bess response. I wasn't sure what to say myself.

[guyguy]

Well, they doubted Copernicus & Galileo too.

[letric]

Well, they doubted Copernicus & Galileo too.

Indeed...

[trini123]

Dr Costella says it's a mistake:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8785366/Science-world-in-shock-after-Cern-light-speed-claim.html

Dr Costella says it's NOT a mistake:

http://johncostella.webs.com/neutrino-blunder.pdf


Remember when you were growing up people would say Einstein was not good at math; it may be true after all. Sad!

[Wayne]

quote:..........."Remember when you were growing up people would say Einstein was not good at math; it may be true after all. Sad!

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[Flaggs]

Well, they doubted Copernicus & Galileo too.

And they doubted you too my good friend.

[edyle]

Newton was not wrong; Einstein merely impoved on Newton given the advances and precision developed over the subsequent centuries.
Einstein worked at a PATENT OFFICE giving him access to information on inventions that ACTUALLY WORKED. That's important. It means that he had a broad exposure to REAL physics as opposed to merely Theory. Using the Results of the Michelson Morley experiment, Einstein shrugged his shouldered and plugged in the results and let whatever dropped out just drop out.

It's a similar situation somewhat to Maxwell and Faraday; both names we see in Physics, but I was over 40 years old before I even happened to notice that Maxwell and Faraday worked together somewhat, and it was perhaps this combination of a more experimental physicist with a more mathematical minded physicist that produced very important results.

When faced with the solid hard reality of 'this happens when you do that and by this much' the mathematician has to go write up new equations and this time it's not based on any theoretical speculation but on hard reality.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Faraday

Faraday was an excellent experimentalist who conveyed his ideas in clear and simple language. However, his mathematical abilities did not extend as far as trigonometry or any but the simplest algebra. It was James Clerk Maxwell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell) who took the work of Faraday, and others, and consolidated it with a set of equations that lie at the base of all modern theories of electromagnetic phenomena.

[skl]

Remember when you were growing up people would say Einstein was not good at math; it may be true after all. Sad!

who do people who dont understand keep spouting off ?


Newton's laws work under certain circumstances

Einsteins laws work under other circumstances

It is not inconceivable that there are new circumstances discovered where new laws will have to devised.


please note also that if this experiment is proven that does not mean FTL travel is possible for us. It does mean that FTC communications may be possible though.

[trini123]

You can't have a valid theory that says X is not possible and then an experiment shows X is possible; for any such theory it would immediately become invalid. Yes more validation is required but if validated the Theory of Relativity would become invalid and there would be zero(0) people on the planet that knows how it works.

[miktay]

You can't have a valid theory that says X is not possible and then an experiment shows X is possible; for any such theory it would immediately become invalid. Yes more validation is required but if validated the Theory of Relativity would become invalid and there would be zero(0) people on the planet that knows how it works. Relativity never postulated that particles cannot travel faster than light. Relativity sez particles travelling at sub light cannot accelerate from sub light to super light speeds. Thiz wud would require almost infinite energy.E=mc squared Theoretical 'particles' already traveling faster than light do not violate relativity.

[kemist]

i've been trying to debate this in my head but being below amateur level on this topic, i think i confusing myself more.

I am still sticking to Good ole Einstein's theory though, because this may actually be further evidence to the possibility of 'tunnelling' through space-time without actually going faster than light.

I guess we have to wait until CERN publishes these new results - I wont be surprised if someone finds a huge statistical error there too.

[Mailman]

Einstein can rest easy.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.2685