They Hijacked the Alliance Already !!!!

[snowbird]

(source Trinidad Guardian) http://www.guardian.co.tt/news5.html

Monday 8th October, 2007

Cadiz: Kamla was choice for PM

BY CORDIELLE STREET

Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar was the chosen prime ministerial candidate for the UNC Alliance and was, indeed, shoved aside for a Basdeo Panday/Jack Warner partnership.

UNC-A leadership council member Stephen Cadiz broke his silence yesterday on the controversial decision that many feared would cause a rift in the party leading into the November 5 general election.

Cadiz, in a phone interview, said it was decided before last Thursday’s leadership council meeting at Emerald Plaza, Tunapuna, that Persad-Bissessar would be given the nod to be prime minister if the UNC Alliance had won the election.

“That was the original plan for Kamla to be leader. The about-turn without any real discussion...it seemed as if the whole thing was planned,” he said.

Cadiz who did not attend the UNC-A mass rally at Mid-Centre Mall, Chaguanas, yesterday is expected to announce his resignation from the party at a press conference schedule to be held 10 am today at Crowne Plaza, Wrightson Road.

Cadiz said he did not watch or listen to the rally which was broadcast on five local television stations and six radio stations.

Last Thursday after six hours, the leadership council decided to appoint UNC deputy political leader Warner chairman of the UNC-A party and Panday his special adviser



Many of us expected it to happen after the election, but instead it has happened even before they have gone to the poles. This action can only be described at best as arrogant, at worse as obscene.
Can anyone tell me what is the difference between this dictatorial action of the BasJack team, and the actions of the now PM Patirick Manning in choosing his candidates for the upcoming election. If anything, they make Patrick seem like a choir boy.

[cm103]

I've been trying to tell the UNC supporters on this board that for a while now but they keep sidestepping that issue.

Six of one, half dozen of the other. Panday or Manning, same dictator.

[JediKnight]

Ganga put it best... Patrick wants what Bas has ... a bunch of spineless people who would be easy to maniuplate. Leh me see Patrick try dat wid Rowley... Monkey really know which tree to climb. Poor Valley!

[Maccogirl]

What happen Snowy you does post the same topic on every forum girl? How you have this great desire to send this message out to everyone :D so what if the Alliance dead is PNM yuh getting plain and simple so don't hold your breath on a COP government because that ain't happening :lol:

[BW]

What happen Snowy you does post the same topic on every forum girl? How you have this great desire to send this message out to everyone :D so what if the Alliance dead is PNM yuh getting plain and simple so don't hold your breath on a COP government because that ain't happening :lol:

Great is the PNM, and it shall prevail. :)

Ah wonder if Panday go start calling Cadiz a "judas" now. He have a habit ah bad talking any and everybody if they cross him.

[Maccogirl]

Cadiz is a real lost to the UNC boy look at people Cadiz taking with him, UNCA should of hold on to him at any cost, the man Cadiz say he all for unity he is the champion of the black faces in the UNCA but he cant work with Jack because for him the Alliance will show real unity if it only have Indo faces at the top :D :D

[BW]

Cadiz is a real lost to the UNC boy look at people Cadiz taking with him, UNCA should of hold on to him at any cost, the man Cadiz say he all for unity he is the champion of the black faces in the UNCA but he cant work with Jack because for him the Alliance will show real unity if it only have Indo faces at the top :D :D

Not only a judas, but a racist as well :lol:
It amazing how fast things does change with de UNC. :D

[slayerdave]

Ganga put it best... Patrick wants what Bas has ... a bunch of spineless people who would be easy to maniuplate. Leh me see Patrick try dat wid Rowley... Monkey really know which tree to climb. Poor Valley!

Surprise the corpses have not scooped him up yet..........or are you all letting him age ah bit.

[Maccogirl]

Well I don't think Cadiz is blind, he must of noticed Panday was leader of the UNC, maybe some one should of pointed that out to him when he was joining,so all I can say is look like to me he was not expecting Jack to lead anything and all this talk about Panday is a smoke screen to mask what he is really thinking, putting Kamla in charge did not mean she was going to dump Panday as a matter of fact Kamla was all over the place saying she has one leader and their is no vacancy for leader of the UNC.

Cadiz like he was not only blind he was deaf also he did not hear Kamla , or what he thought Kamla was going to be in charge then kick Bas to the curb?? Nah the problem is not Panday Cadiz cant work taking orders from Jack plain and simple.

[cm103]

Well I don't think Cadiz is blind, he must of noticed Panday was leader of the UNC, maybe some one should of pointed that out to him when he was joining,so all I can say is look like to me he was not expecting Jack to lead anything and all this talk about Panday is a smoke screen to mask what he is really thinking, putting Kamla in charge did not mean she was going to dump Panday as a matter of fact Kamla was all over the place saying she has one leader and their is no vacancy for leader of the UNC.

Cadiz like he was not only deaf he did not hear Kamla also, or what he thought Kamla was going to be in charge then kick Bas to the curb?? Nah the problem is not Panday Cadiz cant work taking orders from Jack plain and simple.

Yuh really trying to read between these lines and it reaching. Why it can't be taken at face value?

[Maccogirl]

I don't read between the lines I call it as I see it, Cadiz has not convinced me that he left the UNCA because of Panday he dam lie, Panday was always there, that was the man he was dealing with, he was on the platform with Panday night after night, what he did not expect was the appointing of Jack as Chairman of the Alliance, so there are can only be two reason 1. He wanted the post of Chairman for his self, or 2. He not taking orders from any man that darker than him.

[cm103]

I don't read between the lines I call it as I see it, Cadiz has not convinced me that he left the UNCA because of Panday he dam lie, Panday was always there, that was the man he was dealing with, he was on the platform with Panday night after night, what he did not expect was the appointing of Jack as Chairman of the Alliance, so there are can only be two reason 1. He wanted the post of Chairman for his self, or 2. He not taking orders from any man that darker than him.

That race card tired by now girl.

If I was there I would read it to you. The man say that Panday said one thing and did another. He lead everyone to believe that he doesn't want the power anymore to get them to join but then he do an about face in an under the table deal.

You could say he lie? What proof you have? You was there?

[Maccogirl]

Carson Charles said he was supporting Jack for the post, Kamla said she was supporting Bas for the post, all the others have not raised a fuss over Jack the only noise maker is Cadiz why???

[cm103]

Carson Charles said he was supporting Jack for the post, Kamla said she was supporting Bas for the post, all the others have not raised a fuss over Jack the only noise maker is Cadiz why???

Early days yet, the full extent of fallout from this internal coup has yet to be felt.

Kamla disappointed me by staying for more licks from her own party.

[BW]

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This thing is something else eh. Fuh all de UNC supporters calling Manning a dictator... =|

[Scorpio]

^^ Manning & Panday cut from the same frucking cloth.

[Dispatcher]

Early days yet, the full extent of fallout from this internal coup has yet to be felt.
Kamla disappointed me by staying for more licks from her own party.

You have a council of 6 or seven people. You have a meeting to choose a leader/chairman. Everyone bar 1 on the council agree, for what ever reasons, to go with Jack & Bas.

What are they suppose to do, go with the majority vote or with a loner?

Cadiz didn't expect Panday to just fallout out of the picture when he joined the Alliance. He knows what Panday os like.

I would have preferred to see Kamla and Jack lead but it wasn't to be.

Cadiz is just a cry cry baby. He ain't get what he want so he ready to mash up the whole thing.

Why blame Jack and Bas or the other council members. Cadiz can't compromise and accept the majority group decision, he gone.

[Scorpio]

Early days yet, the full extent of fallout from this internal coup has yet to be felt.
Kamla disappointed me by staying for more licks from her own party.

You have a council of 6 or seven people. You have a meeting to choose a leader/chairman. Everyone bar 1 on the council agree, for what ever reasons, to go with Jack & Bas.

What are they suppose to do, go with the majority vote or with a loner?

Cadiz didn't expect Panday to just fallout out of the picture when he joined the Alliance. He knows what Panday os like.

I would have preferred to see Kamla and Jack lead but it wasn't to be.

Cadiz is just a cry cry baby. He ain't get what he want so he ready to mash up the whole thing.

Why blame Jack and Bas or the other council members. Cadiz can't compromise and accept the majority group decision, he gone.

You are conveniently leaving out the part where Panday told Cadiz before the council meeting that he was stepping aside. As Cadiz said, if you can't keep your word to your party, how can you be trusted to be PM ?

[Dispatcher]

You are conveniently leaving out the part where Panday told Cadiz before the council meeting that he was stepping aside. As Cadiz said, if you can't keep your word to your party, how can you be trusted to be PM ?

Agreed. Panday did supposedly say that he no longer aspired to be PM. However you have a council meeting and for whatever reason the majority of the members felt that Warner and Panday would best represent the party to the country.

Did Panday twist every leader in the Alliance arms and force them to that decision? Did they look at the demographics and history of voting in TnT and came up with their final chioce? I don't know.

Although the choice is not for PM, one would have to be naive to think that should UNCA be victorious, Panday will not push himself for that position. But at the moment Jack is the leader with Panday the senior adviser. Anyone can be PM even Kamla.

But I do know that Panday is not going to around for too long. So we need to bite the bullet, unite and ensure we maintain a strong opposition to the PNM otherwise all hell will break loose in TnT.

[Scorpio]

You are conveniently leaving out the part where Panday told Cadiz before the council meeting that he was stepping aside. As Cadiz said, if you can't keep your word to your party, how can you be trusted to be PM ?

Agreed. Panday did supposedly say that he no longer aspired to be PM. However you have a council meeting and for whatever reason the majority of the members felt that Warner and Panday would best represent the party to the country.

Did Panday twist every leader in the Alliance arms and force them to that decision? Did they look at the demographics and history of voting in TnT and came up with their final chioce? I don't know.

Although the choice is not for PM, one would have to be naive to think that should UNCA be victorious, Panday will not push himself for that position. But at the moment Jack is the leader with Panday the senior adviser. Anyone can be PM even Kamla.

But I do know that Panday is not going to around for too long. So we need to bite the bullet, unite and ensure we maintain a strong opposition to the PNM otherwise all hell will break loose in TnT.

Yes, it is important to unite and have a strong opposition to fight the PNM, but you have to look at the issue objectively, and ask yourself, who is really standing in the way of opposition unity ?

Think back to 2 years ago, if Panday (aided by Kamla) had left Dookeran alone to lead the UNC, PNM would have been reeling under pressure right now, and it would not have had a COP.

Keep this issue in the right perspective.

[Dispatcher]

Yes, it is important to unite and have a strong opposition to fight the PNM, but you have to look at the issue objectively, and ask yourself, who is really standing in the way of opposition unity ?

Think back to 2 years ago, if Panday (aided by Kamla) had left Dookeran alone to lead the UNC, PNM would have been reeling under pressure right now, and it would not have had a COP.

Keep this issue in the right perspective.

Scorpio, who is asking who for unity and who is saying No? COP is letting personalities get in the way of change of government.

2 years ago Panday and many others in the party could not let Dookeran alone lead the UNC. Dookeran was on a mission to practically dissolve the UNC and create his own party using ex members of the NAR. Many even were returning to Trinidad from all over for a piece of the pie Dookeran was gifted by Panday.

When Members of the party realised what was about to take place Dookeran had to be subdued. This led to the many wranglings at executive meetings and the evolution of systems that eventually saw him leaving.

Don't look at Dookeran slight. His aim was to take an already built foundation and create his own mansion.

That is the right perspective. And I'm sure much will be revealed in the coming weeks.

[cm103]

You are conveniently leaving out the part where Panday told Cadiz before the council meeting that he was stepping aside. As Cadiz said, if you can't keep your word to your party, how can you be trusted to be PM ?

Agreed. Panday did supposedly say that he no longer aspired to be PM. However you have a council meeting and for whatever reason the majority of the members felt that Warner and Panday would best represent the party to the country.

Did Panday twist every leader in the Alliance arms and force them to that decision? Did they look at the demographics and history of voting in TnT and came up with their final chioce? I don't know.

Although the choice is not for PM, one would have to be naive to think that should UNCA be victorious, Panday will not push himself for that position. But at the moment Jack is the leader with Panday the senior adviser. Anyone can be PM even Kamla.

But I do know that Panday is not going to around for too long. So we need to bite the bullet, unite and ensure we maintain a strong opposition to the PNM otherwise all hell will break loose in TnT.

Yes, it is important to unite and have a strong opposition to fight the PNM, but you have to look at the issue objectively, and ask yourself, who is really standing in the way of opposition unity ?

Think back to 2 years ago, if Panday (aided by Kamla) had left Dookeran alone to lead the UNC, PNM would have been reeling under pressure right now, and it would not have had a COP.

Keep this issue in the right perspective.

Very true. the COP was formed due to the fact that Panday would not let anyone else take the reins of the party. Duly elected or not.

A puppet council's election to vote in the man holding the purse strings of the UNC and a has-been politician who is being retried for corruption doesn't give me any confidence in the entire process.

[Scorpio]

Yes, it is important to unite and have a strong opposition to fight the PNM, but you have to look at the issue objectively, and ask yourself, who is really standing in the way of opposition unity ?

Think back to 2 years ago, if Panday (aided by Kamla) had left Dookeran alone to lead the UNC, PNM would have been reeling under pressure right now, and it would not have had a COP.

Keep this issue in the right perspective.

Scorpio, who is asking who for unity and who is saying No? COP is letting personalities get in the way of change of government.

2 years ago Panday and many others in the party could not let Dookeran alone lead the UNC. Dookeran was on a mission to practically dissolve the UNC and create his own party using ex members of the NAR. Many even were returning to Trinidad from all over for a piece of the pie Dookeran was gifted by Panday.

When Members of the party realised what was about to take place Dookeran had to be subdued. This led to the many wranglings at executive meetings and the evolution of systems that eventually saw him leaving.

Don't look at Dookeran slight. His aim was to take an already built foundation and create his own mansion.

That is the right perspective. And I'm sure much will be revealed in the coming weeks.

Look nah, if yuh give a man to lead, yuh have to allow de man to follow his vision. Now, according to you, Dookeran had to be "subdued" 2 years ago bec he was trying to dissolve UNC and "create his own party". So, by that logic, now that he have "his own party" how yuh go come and say yuh want to unite ? What are the terms of Bas' unity call ? That COP have to dissovle, maybe ?

[Dispatcher]

Very true. the COP was formed due to the fact that Panday would not let anyone else take the reins of the party. Duly elected or not.

A puppet council's election to vote in the man holding the purse strings of the UNC and a has-been politician who is being retried for corruption doesn't give me any confidence in the entire process.

Dookeran was not duly elected. Panday handed over the reins to him. Why would Panday do that?

Dookeran took those reins and went in a direction many in the party was not happy about.

The UNC party elections are always a cause for concern. The different slates opposing one another creates conflict long after the elections. But that is water under the bridge.

However when you have a man with people like Yetming by his side trying to turn the party into a second coming of the NAR then problems will arise.

[vaio]

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This thing is something else eh. Fuh all de UNC supporters calling Manning a dictator... =|

both of them in love with power....

[Scorpio]

Very true. the COP was formed due to the fact that Panday would not let anyone else take the reins of the party. Duly elected or not.

A puppet council's election to vote in the man holding the purse strings of the UNC and a has-been politician who is being retried for corruption doesn't give me any confidence in the entire process.

Dookeran was not duly elected. Panday handed over the reins to him. Why would Panday do that?

Dookeran took those reins and went in a direction many in the party was not happy about.

The UNC party elections are always a cause for concern. The different slates opposing one another creates conflict long after the elections. But that is water under the bridge.

However when you have a man with people like Yetming by his side trying to turn the party into a second coming of the NAR then problems will arise.

Breds, if Dookeran was taking the party in a direction many in the party was not happy with, why the same ppl want to unite with COP now ?

Also, if so many ppl in the party was not happy with Dookeran's leadership, why so many MP's went with him to form COP ?

Finally, what is so wrong with a "second coming" of the NAR vision ?

[Dispatcher]

Look nah, if yuh give a man to lead, yuh have to allow de man to follow his vision.

Not necessarily. There must be checks and balances in place. Like any well run company the CEO can be fired.


Now, according to you, Dookeran had to be "subdued" 2 years ago bec he was trying to dissolve UNC and "create his own party". So, by that logic, now that he have "his own party" how yuh go come and say yuh want to unite ? What are the terms of Bas' unity call ? That COP have to dissovle, maybe ?

Uniting does not mean that Dookeran is placed in a position where he is again in control. And that is proably why he does not want to unite with the UNCA. He will just be another team player like Charles, Alvirez, etc. An he don't want that.

[Scorpio]

Not necessarily. There must be checks and balances in place. Like any well run company the CEO can be fired.

.......after due process is followed.


Uniting does not mean that Dookeran is placed in a position where he is again in control. And that is proably why he does not want to unite with the UNCA. He will just be another team player like Charles, Alvirez, etc. An he don't want that.

So it's Panday or the Highway ?

[Dispatcher]

Breds, if Dookeran was taking the party in a direction many in the party was not happy with, why the same ppl want to unite with COP now ?

Compromise in order to ensure victory at the polls. Sometimes people have their dofferences and then they get back together. In family people always qyuarrelling and falling out. But they always get back together. They learn from their mistakes. With the proper arrangements things could work.


Also, if so many ppl in the party was not happy with Dookeran's leadership, why so many MP's went with him to form COP ?

A lot more stayed with the UNC. You can hardly call any that went with Dookeran politicians of substance.


Finally, what is so wrong with a "second coming" of the NAR vision ?

Nothing. But not in the way Dookeran tried to achieve it. Underhandedly using the resources built with sweat and tears of so many to achieve his dream was not ethical. Just bringing some old hacks from the glory days would not have even been a true revamping of the NAR.

[Dispatcher]

.......after due process is followed.

Due process was followed. The Executive called many meetings to iron out the issues they felt were detrimental to the party. Dookeran hardly showwed to any of them. He was always too busy. Until the time came that there was a no confidence vote in him.


So it's Panday or the Highway ?

Actually its Jack Warner who is the chosen leader. He was chosen by the Alliance council members (except Cadiz). So if Dookeran can't work with Jack as the Leader then its the country's loss.

[Scorpio]

Compromise in order to ensure victory at the polls. Sometimes people have their dofferences and then they get back together. In family people always qyuarrelling and falling out. But they always get back together. They learn from their mistakes. With the proper arrangements things could work.


"Compromise" on Panday's terms, right ?




A lot more stayed with the UNC. You can hardly call any that went with Dookeran politicians of substance.

I'll just name one, Manohar Ramsaran, need I say more ?



Nothing. But not in the way Dookeran tried to achieve it. Underhandedly using the resources built with sweat and tears of so many to achieve his dream was not ethical. Just bringing some old hacks from the glory days would not have even been a true revamping of the NAR.

Well, then why complain now that he is using his own sweat and tears to achieve his vision ?

[cm103]

Very true. the COP was formed due to the fact that Panday would not let anyone else take the reins of the party. Duly elected or not.

A puppet council's election to vote in the man holding the purse strings of the UNC and a has-been politician who is being retried for corruption doesn't give me any confidence in the entire process.

Dookeran was not duly elected. Panday handed over the reins to him. Why would Panday do that?

Dookeran took those reins and went in a direction many in the party was not happy about.

The UNC party elections are always a cause for concern. The different slates opposing one another creates conflict long after the elections. But that is water under the bridge.

However when you have a man with people like Yetming by his side trying to turn the party into a second coming of the NAR then problems will arise.

Panday would only hand over reins if he maintains control and what leader would want that? That is too much micromanagement and trying to hold on to any last gasp.

Panday stepping over anyone that would challenge his try at another PM spot. He installs a puppet committe, kills off any chance at Kamla leading the party to elections and pleasing the man who holding the money bags. Panday is now pimping out the UNC to the highest bidder, but the bidders have all taken their money elsewhere, except for Jack.

[vaio]

Very true. the COP was formed due to the fact that Panday would not let anyone else take the reins of the party. Duly elected or not.

A puppet council's election to vote in the man holding the purse strings of the UNC and a has-been politician who is being retried for corruption doesn't give me any confidence in the entire process.

Dookeran was not duly elected. Panday handed over the reins to him. Why would Panday do that?

Dookeran took those reins and went in a direction many in the party was not happy about.

The UNC party elections are always a cause for concern. The different slates opposing one another creates conflict long after the elections. But that is water under the bridge.

However when you have a man with people like Yetming by his side trying to turn the party into a second coming of the NAR then problems will arise.

Panday would only hand over reins if he maintains control and what leader would want that? That is too much micromanagement and trying to hold on to any last gasp.

Panday stepping over anyone that would challenge his try at another PM spot. He installs a puppet committe, kills off any chance at Kamla leading the party to elections and pleasing the man who holding the money bags. Panday is now pimping out the UNC to the highest bidder, but the bidders have all taken their money elsewhere, except for Jack.


ah wonder why jack wants to be leader??... but he ent know dat Bas controllin from de back... look at who spoke last on Sunday... isn't it supposed to be the UNCA leader to speak last!!!??? or is it that i am wrong... i think not

[Dispatcher]

"Compromise" on Panday's terms, right ?
No on the Alliance terms.


I'll just name one, Manohar Ramsaran, need I say more ?
Manohar is hardly a politician of substance. He can hardly speak with any sense of assuredness. OK he has been a good MP for his constituents, but he is certainly not irreplaceable.


Well, then why complain now that he is using his own sweat and tears to achieve his vision ?
No one is complaining that he should not use his sweat and tears to achieve his vision. But that vision in this current situation is counter-productive to the good of the nation.

This opportunity for change of governance is not going to come 'round for another 5 years or maybe even longer if Manning succeeds changing the constition.

Splitting the opposition base is a vindictive exercise by a few because of their petty personality problems. COP knows it cannot win anything, but are just going up to ensure the UNCA does not get into power.

For the good of the country we need to see the bigger picture.

[Scorpio]

No one is complaining that he should not use his sweat and tears to achieve his vision. But that vision in this current situation is counter-productive to the good of the nation.

This opportunity for change of governance is not going to come 'round for another 5 years or maybe even longer if Manning succeeds changing the constition.

Splitting the opposition base is a vindictive exercise by a few because of their petty personality problems. COP knows it cannot win anything, but are just going up to ensure the UNCA does not get into power.

For the good of the country we need to see the bigger picture.

Again, I agree with you except that I ask, why does the bigger picture have to include Bas as PM ?

[cm103]

No one is complaining that he should not use his sweat and tears to achieve his vision. But that vision in this current situation is counter-productive to the good of the nation.

This opportunity for change of governance is not going to come 'round for another 5 years or maybe even longer if Manning succeeds changing the constition.

Splitting the opposition base is a vindictive exercise by a few because of their petty personality problems. COP knows it cannot win anything, but are just going up to ensure the UNCA does not get into power.

For the good of the country we need to see the bigger picture.

Again, I agree with you except that I ask, why does the bigger picture have to include Bas as PM ?

I agree with some of what you're saying except that the COP can't win anything. For a party in existence for a little over a year and already challenging the numbers that the PNM and UNC previous used to command is very remarkable. It says something about both the UNC and PNM parties as well.

COP obviously doing something right to have such a favorable approval rating and have both the UNC and PNM targeting them. You think Meinghoo party would even get any type of response from any of them boys?

[Dispatcher]

Again, I agree with you except that I ask, why does the bigger picture have to include Bas as PM ?

I wish I was in a position to influence the Prime Ministership. I would recommend Kamla. But I'm not. I keep saying Panday has to go soon. I hate to use the term lesser of 2 evils but sometimes you have to decide.

Though Panday may be power hungry he has never come across as one trying to be a dictator. When UNC was in power they never implemented any plans that would ensure UNC stay in power, like housing for supporters in marginal seats, rearranging boundaries, etc.

The UNC tried to give many people things they never had before under 30 years of PNM rule. Water, Electricity, bridges, better infrastructure, education for all, etc, etc, etc. in all areas regardless of core support base.

Yes Panday was the cause of the party losing government in 2001. He should have stepped down, admittedly. However the many party members up to last week, Kamla saying she only have one leader and that is Panday, kept him there. If they did not have the fortitude to remove him who are we?

[cm103]

If they did not have the fortitude to remove him who are we?

We have that choice and it's our right as voters to remove him. I agree that he did not show dictator tendencies in the past, or maybe I was blind to it because I was enjoying all the UNC did while they were in office. I do not see that UNC in the face and reasoning of this party going up for elections though.

Panday has already shown some dictator tendencies when it comes to him retaining power in his party. I do not like Manning and anything he stands for but I refuse to just settle for the lesser of two evils when I know it can be better.

Its about time this country was run with some common sense and no revenge agendas. I also cannot see electing a man who was convicted of corruption and is in the middle of a retrial. What would happen if he gets convicted again while in power? We will be the laughing stock of the international community. Don't get me wrong, I think most of it was political persecution on the part of the PNM but still it hangs over Panday.

I cannot see how he could not know his wife took money to send their kids to school. If your kids in big apartment in London and going to law school but you not paying for it wouldn't you ask question as to how that happening?

[Dispatcher]

I agree with some of what you're saying except that the COP can't win anything. For a party in existence for a little over a year and already challenging the numbers that the PNM and UNC previous used to command is very remarkable. It says something about both the UNC and PNM parties as well.

COP obviously doing something right to have such a favorable approval rating and have both the UNC and PNM targeting them. You think Meinghoo party would even get any type of response from any of them boys?

I don't disagree that the COP has done well in the last year. Their voter base is quite big, but smaller in proportion to the ONR in the late 70's or NAR in the 1991. However those 2 weren't able to win any seats.

Trinidad is not conducive to 3 parties. There are 2 sets of core supporters. Any other party can pick up plenty votes thoughout the country but never enough in a constituency to win it. That is the history. I'm sure COP is trying to change history and good luck to them, however to change history that much is highly improbable.

That is why I say with confidence that COP cannot win any seats. They will only split votes to allow PNM back in power.

And let us wait for polls during the campaign season to start coming out and then we can judge true approval ratings.

[cm103]

I agree with some of what you're saying except that the COP can't win anything. For a party in existence for a little over a year and already challenging the numbers that the PNM and UNC previous used to command is very remarkable. It says something about both the UNC and PNM parties as well.

COP obviously doing something right to have such a favorable approval rating and have both the UNC and PNM targeting them. You think Meinghoo party would even get any type of response from any of them boys?

I don't disagree that the COP has done well in the last year. Their voter base is quite big, but smaller in proportion to the ONR in the late 70's or NAR in the 1991. However those 2 weren't able to win any seats.

Trinidad is not conducive to 3 parties. There are 2 sets of core supporters. Any other party can pick up plenty votes thoughout the country but never enough in a constituency to win it. That is the history. I'm sure COP is trying to change history and good luck to them, however to change history that much is highly improbable.

That is why I say with confidence that COP cannot win any seats. They will only split votes to allow PNM back in power.

And let us wait for polls during the campaign season to start coming out and then we can judge true approval ratings.

That sounds fair except I would say that the COP isn't trying to change history but rather set a precedent.

Can we agree that we won't bash the creditability of the polls when they come out? Some other UNC supporters here don't consider the polls but rather more 'accurate' measures like crowd size.

[Scorpio]

If they did not have the fortitude to remove him who are we?


Wait a minute, I don't think I wrote that cm.

[Scorpio]

But I do know that Panday is not going to around for too long.

Something you want to share with us, Dispatcher :shock:

...and now ah wondering about your choice of names too.... ;)

[Dispatcher]

Can we agree that we won't bash the creditability of the polls when they come out? Some other UNC supporters here don't consider the polls but rather more 'accurate' measures like crowd size.

But from what I have read from previous posts it was UNC supporters like Maccogirl who was saying crowds don't win election when the COP supporters were claiming they had 20-30,000 people in Woodford Sq and how they will run away with the elections.

I am willing to accept the results of various independant polls and make judgement calls based on the questions asked, the sample size and the cross-section of the population. They give an indication but not necessarily a determination of the final results.

[Dispatcher]

But I do know that Panday is not going to around for too long.

Something you want to share with us, Dispatcher :shock:

...and now ah wondering about your choice of names too.... ;)

Doh put me in trouble here nah. Meh violin case only have a violin in it!

At Pandays age I doubt he can take much more of this. Because he lost out the last election he seems to have something to prove and once he done I really don't think he will hang around for long. But that's just my take on things I hear on the ground.

[Somebody007]

Cadiz say Panday is the real problem in the Alliance. Please read the front page of today's Guardian for the headline.

[cm103]

Can we agree that we won't bash the creditability of the polls when they come out? Some other UNC supporters here don't consider the polls but rather more 'accurate' measures like crowd size.

But from what I have read from previous posts it was UNC supporters like Maccogirl who was saying crowds don't win election when the COP supporters were claiming they had 20-30,000 people in Woodford Sq and how they will run away with the elections.

I am willing to accept the results of various independant polls and make judgement calls based on the questions asked, the sample size and the cross-section of the population. They give an indication but not necessarily a determination of the final results.

Most of the other UNC supporters were screaming about crowd size. Maccogirl may be one of the exceptions. The same supporters were denouncing the Ansa/McAl UWI polls that came out in the Guardian Sunday which show a 6% approval rate for Panday and a 5% rate for Kamla with around 1-2% for Jack. One even had the audacity to say that he doesn't know anyone polled so it must be held in COP and PNM camps only.

If you're willing to accept the results of the polls as an indication of what the possible final results would be then that is more than reasonable. My hat off to you sir.