Administering order and keeping law

[Falcon]

Seems like the mantra of 'capital punishment is not a deterrent' needs a re-visit, and some stats from anywhere outside the USA.


Saudi Arabia executes three Myanmar men for burglary
January 23, 2008

Riyadh: Saudi Arabia took the unusual step on Wednesday of executing three men for burgling a home and robbing its owner at knifepoint.

The three men from Myanmar were put to death in Makkah for stealing gold jewellery from the house of a woman who they had tied up to prevent her calling for help and threatened with knives, the official Saudi News Agency said.

It said the men sold the jewellery and one of them had carried out previous thefts.

Saudi Arabia usually carries out executions by public beheading for murder, rape, drug smuggling and increasingly armed robbery.
link text (http://www.gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi_arabia/10184182.html)

[Huma]

How does that article prove that the death sentence is a deterrent?

[Scorpio]

I wonder if Peanut's ttol death sentence will be a deterrent to others to not do whatever she was guilty of... :?

[KFCSpicy]

Desperate times ...

People will always in the end give in...if they are weak and they think what dah hell I won't get caught. The Death Penalty is no deterrant but it still needs to be in effect. Sorry! The wages of certain crimes should be death. Saudi Arabia a tad bit too extreme if you ask me tho. For Robbery? wow! :shock:

Diff people, diff mentality towards things eh!

[Falcon]

Huma the article itself doesnt back up what I said. The comment was made in the wider context of crime, punishment, and levels of criminal activity in the Kingdom.

[snowbird]

I guess one way to determine if such severe penalties act as a deterrent is to look at the overall crime volume in the countries where the penalties are so severe.
I am willing to bet that in those countries (middle eastern Islamic states in particular) where not only are the punishments severe, but their justice is also dispensed quickly and consistently, that their problems with crime is nothing compared to the western world.

[Huma]

Huma the article itself doesnt back up what I said. The comment was made in the wider context of crime, punishment, and levels of criminal activity in the Kingdom.


You forgot a few important words there: Law enforcement and investigation.

[Falcon]

Snow, justice is anything but consistent in the Middle East. If you're local then you're right- that's rule number 1.

[kemist]

that was indeed shocking to read.
i thought by islamic shariat (spelling?) law, the punishment for theft is cutting off an arm.

(but then again, i'm still confused of how an islamic state could have a king as their leader)

[snowbird]

Snow, justice is anything but consistent in the Middle East. If you're local then you're right- that's rule number 1.

I was referring to how they manage to keep their 'locals' in line.

[Falcon]

Snow, justice is anything but consistent in the Middle East. If you're local then you're right- that's rule number 1.

I was referring to how they manage to keep their 'locals' in line.
It's a most interesting concept Snow.
The small countries shower their locals with money and provision and priority; while the ones with large populations shower who they can shower, then come down with an iron fist to keep the rest of them in line.

[snowbird]

Snow, justice is anything but consistent in the Middle East. If you're local then you're right- that's rule number 1.

I was referring to how they manage to keep their 'locals' in line.
It's a most interesting concept Snow.
The small countries shower their locals with money and provision and priority; while the ones with large populations shower who they can shower, then come down with an iron fist to keep the rest of them in line.


Hey, no one is debating if the distribution or retention of wealth is fair in some of those countries; and yes, you do have the majority of the wealth in certain nations concentrated within the hands of just a few, but does that make it right for the have majority who are 'havenots' to use whatever means they deem necessary to 'tip the scales' ?

Unfortunately that is exactly what is going on in T&T, and by the Government's lack of action on crime (especially the reason for it) they are actually creating a society of 'entitlement', be it by hard work, hand outs or 'thugary'. To me the respect of law and order (even bad laws) would be the lesser of two evils.

[serenity]

As the rumour goes, a Syrian was kidnapped and the kidnappers were dealt with. Since then, no other Syrian was ever kidnapped. Perhaps harsher punishment is the answer. Heck, maybe RLM has a point!

[snowbird]

As the rumour goes, a Syrian was kidnapped and the kidnappers were dealt with. Since then, no other Syrian was ever kidnapped. Perhaps harsher punishment is the answer. Heck, maybe RLM has a point!

^^^
but only up to the 'point' :lol: where he becomes a law onto himself.

[jacques]

Huma the article itself doesnt back up what I said. The comment was made in the wider context of crime, punishment, and levels of criminal activity in the Kingdom.

Those who are envious of the supposedly low crime rates that the implementation of Sharia law supposedly brings should keep in mind that in Islamic law the penalty for adultery is stoning to death. Just imagine how that might play out in Trinidad. There is not enough stone on the island to do the job. The already acute shortage of building material would become unbearable...

[Huma]

As the rumour goes, a Syrian was kidnapped and the kidnappers were dealt with. Since then, no other Syrian was ever kidnapped. Perhaps harsher punishment is the answer. Heck, maybe RLM has a point!

It's not the punishment, it's the fact that the alleged avengers were able to easily and efficiently find out who committed the crime.

Of course, they didn't have to prove their case in a court of law...

[snowbird]

Huma the article itself doesnt back up what I said. The comment was made in the wider context of crime, punishment, and levels of criminal activity in the Kingdom.

Those who are envious of the supposedly low crime rates that the implementation of Sharia law supposedly brings should keep in mind that in Islamic law the penalty for adultery is stoning to death. Just imagine how that might play out in Trinidad. There is not enough stone on the island to do the job. The already acute shortage of building material would become unbearable...

:lol: :lol: :lol: ..... But they certainly have enough cutlasses for chopping off hands

:roll: whoooo, ah listening to RLM way too much :roll: