Absolutely NO pride in their country!

[trinisuckz]

Its simply depressing, take a drive around the savannah this morning and you will see why Trinidadians have NO pride in their country.
Its Filthy- rubbish everywhere, the drains and surroundings are filled with plastic bottles, cups etc.
Why is it that After any even a Trini cannot use a BIN or simply walk with it to their cars and dispose of it in their own rubbish bin?

:roll:

[vaio]

blame Pan.....they were to drunk to realize.. :D

[trinisuckz]

Vaio, the thing is i spoke with a felow worker this morning on the subject who went pan, his reply was somewhat disturbing , he told me that they litter because they know that " the morning after the govt will have a CLEANup crew taking up the mess so why bother to find a bin!"

I asked if he wwas serious - he told me YES!

:shock:

when i asked him about pride for his country- he kept quiet, so iasked him if his house at home was dirty - he said NO that he keeps his house clean, so i then asked him what was the difference between his house and the country that he lives in.

He was speechless!

[Jenny]

Would it be a case of just being too lazy? or totally unaware of what they are doing? to caught up in what they are doing and no concern for others!!!!
Don't spit gum on the pavements!!!!

[vaio]

and sadly TS is all kinda ppl....bankers, teachers, lawyers, clerks, etc....who were at pan yesterday.....so is all ah dem contribute to this.....they aint have no pride whatsoever......but isn't it a crime to litter.... :?

[SSDD]

a pet peeve of mine. i despise when people just drop their garbage on the floor hell walk with a bag for that purpose or look for the bin. in addition to all that, there IS a need for more bins to be placed around the country

[dancerboy]

NOT only is this done after events, but on any normal day. MY wife family is from ST. BARBS, BELMONT,NOT LAVENTILLE. The people up dey does throw ole fridge, ole radios; dey do use garbage bags or pails, dey just put de garbage on the side of the street in shopping bags, and stray dogs does go through it. you can imagine the mess. And it's not unusaul to see dead dogs or cats, by the street. Well doh talk about what the people does throw in de dry river.

DANCERBOY

[BW]

Vaio, the thing is i spoke with a felow worker this morning on the subject who went pan, his reply was somewhat disturbing , he told me that they litter because they know that " the morning after the govt will have a CLEANup crew taking up the mess so why bother to find a bin!"

I asked if he wwas serious - he told me YES!

:shock:


Why are you surprised? People expect the gov't to do everything for them. No big revelations there.

[dancerboy]

It's amazing though, these same TRINIS who would litter TRINIDAD, when they go to CANADA, and other big countries they fall in line. AH LIE. I walk around OCALA,FLORIDA, and i marvel at the cleaniness of the place. And i know there are many TRINIS living here.

DANCERBOY

[sylvestter]

nah, i made usre and used the several garbage bags that were by the bars and tents at pan...
people just nasty...

[Scorpio]

Trinis are so strange, the same people who patriotically support the nation's musical artforms by going to panorama every year turn around and unpatriotically litter the same venue without a second tought !! :x

[Huma]

Wait nah, a man called Trinisuckz talkin about who have no pride in Trinidad?

Well yes.

[Scorpio]

Wait nah, a man called Trinisuckz talkin about who have no pride in Trinidad?

Well yes.

^^oh damn, Huma, that is something I woulda write if I had noticed..ha hah ha......

...anyways, I was taught that cleandines is next to Godliness, we used to get punished in primary school for littering, I wonder if that is still done ?

[snowbird]

It's amazing though, these same TRINIS who would litter TRINIDAD, when they go to CANADA, and other big countries they fall in line. AH LIE. I walk around OCALA,FLORIDA, and i marvel at the cleaniness of the place. And i know there are many TRINIS living here.

DANCERBOY

NOOOOOOOOOT NECESSARILY :lol:
they may be on their P's and Q's when out by themselves and easily identified if they litter (and also aware of the penalties involved). Try putting a few hundred thousand of them together at say a Parade or something and see what happens; ever saw the Lake Shore in Toronto after the Caribana Parade? :o
The organizers put no priority on requesting enough garbage receptacles to hold all of the garbage they know will be generated; they would rather rack up exorbitant bills for days of city clean up after.

Now contrast that to another few hundred thousand (mostly wasp people) at the Santa Claus Parade in the same city; notice the difference in both volume of garbage and where the garbage goes? While a little bit ends up on the curbside, the majority either ends up in the bins provided, or back home with the families who created the garbage. This parade normally ends with a few garbage trucks 'bringing up the rear'; once they go by, things are once again spick and span.

It's all about taking pride man; those people who freely litter at the festivals really don't give a second thought about what other people may think about them or their community. No pride man, no pride.

[Solachica]

It's amazing though, these same TRINIS who would litter TRINIDAD, when they go to CANADA, and other big countries they fall in line. AH LIE. I walk around OCALA,FLORIDA, and i marvel at the cleaniness of the place. And i know there are many TRINIS living here.

DANCERBOY
yea they wud do the garbage sorting and recycling etc.....but I feel they fraid the fines :roll:
Some of those same people wud come Trini and litter :roll: and go back forign and sort garbage again.

[Solachica]

Personally I try my best not to litter.
and any1 sitting in my car wud know to never throw anything outta my car either :evil:

Some people to nasty....like yuh go to say KFC... and they eat and leave everything on the table....or yuh go to a food court and yuh see all their boxes and wrappers etc on a nasty table. :evil: Is like when they go out they feel they have maid. :roll:

[Falcon]

Sola, in a restaurant, you will never take your dishes and serving platters back to the kitchen.
You'd never empty the plates of bones into a near-by bin. Just the same, fast food restaurants should be a little more attentive to their customers and provide staff to clean tables in an efficient manner to seat even more customers. It should not be your responsibility. I often cleared my table at McDs and KFC when I used to eat there, but I saw in China they have things most efficient and as soon as you get up to leave, they come to clear the tables......

[snowbird]

Sola, in a restaurant, you will never take your dishes and serving platters back to the kitchen.
You'd never empty the plates of bones into a near-by bin. Just the same, fast food restaurants should be a little more attentive to their customers and provide staff to clean tables in an efficient manner to seat even more customers. It should not be your responsibility. I often cleared my table at McDs and KFC when I used to eat there, but I saw in China they have things most efficient and as soon as you get up to leave, they come to clear the tables......

OK, so you go into these public places where you are not served at your table, instead you go up to the counter, they give you your food on either a tray, or in a wrapper or container, you sit down, you see garbage bins strategically placed and clearly marked....... it is not rocket science to figure out that you are responsible for disposing of the stuff 'you brought to the table'. Yes, some may choose not to, but for that you end up paying more for the food (someone has to pay the maid's salary).

I don't particularly want to have to pay extra because some slob who just finished stuffing their face with a bunch of food is now too lazy to pick up after him/herself by walking just a couple of feet to the garbage bin :twisted: .

[sylvestter]

Sola, in a restaurant, you will never take your dishes and serving platters back to the kitchen.
You'd never empty the plates of bones into a near-by bin. Just the same, fast food restaurants should be a little more attentive to their customers and provide staff to clean tables in an efficient manner to seat even more customers. It should not be your responsibility. I often cleared my table at McDs and KFC when I used to eat there, but I saw in China they have things most efficient and as soon as you get up to leave, they come to clear the tables......

it actually upsets me very much when i see people at fast food outlets leave their junk at their tables, because they expect that someone will do it.

yes, i suppose there IS indeed staff to do that, but for crying out loud...

i ALWAYS get rid of my junk at fastfood joints or mall foodcourts.

[Falcon]

so wait, tell me something,
if your kid or spouse throws their drink on the floor, will you ask management for a mop and clean the floor?! If you soil the table, will you ask for a Jcloth and clean it?? Come on guys, I am smelling a double standard creeping in. I am one to put my fast food in the bin and tray on the rack, but I am saying it is not your responsibility. No one will have to pay the maid extra snow!

[snowbird]

There is big difference between taking care of the occasional spill, or mess made by a baby, and picking up after a huge percentage of you customers who simply refuse to pick up after themselves.
Falcon someone has to cover the cost of the maid's time in both instances, and in the case of establishments with many lazy patrons, perhaps quite a few maids; do you really think this additional cost is not going to be passed on to the customers in the form of higher prices? comeon, it's called the cost of doing business, and in this case because of lazy or sloppy people.

[KFCSpicy]

Lmaooooooooooooooooooooo

SuckeeTrini rides again. Hun I agree with yuh on this thread 110% (strangely). People have no pride and they don't think. Even Sheppy pointed out that in a thread sometime ago that we are all criminals on some scale and if littering is a crime then how come it not being adhered to? Cause it not being enforced. Let one idiot get arrested nah...yuh go see the tidal wave of over flowing bins. But wait we already have overflowing bins in the city or a lack of bins.

Is a catch 22 system I am afraid. Not enuff bins, no one emptying the bins often enuff, people just doh care and de government wuss yet...result is more flooding and more outdated diseases that people always be suprised still around in the country.

Steupse.

In this country no matter what the law is or how much ads on tv and radio and newspapers or teachings people does still leave dey spilled food on the trains. People does still spit gum on the pavements, litter it with ciggarette buds and all purpose rubbish does be abounding. So what that go leave for Trinidad eh?

[Falcon]

Snow I would expect 'sufficient' staff to be present ALL day. This is a restaurant and standards are 'supposed' to be maintained. If they want to cut costs and have people clean up after themselves and then say that doing the expected is 'putting on more staff'. I not in dat.

Is for the people to leave more rubbish, and for these McEstablishments to be visited by the authorities, watch them whip themselves into shape.

Everybody always want some kinda ease-up and chance. I not in dat.

[snowbird]

Look, bottom line is, we have choices; when we want to be 'pampered' ah la people looking after you every need (including picking up after you), there are places designed for that, the 'we serve' establishments, and their prices reflect this.
On the other hand, when you want the fast food ah la, pick up your stuff and take it to your seat, there are places designed for that too, and too the prices reflect that. What I can't stand, is when people are too cheap to go to the 'we serve' establishments, so they go to the fast food places and create the mess we debate by not acting in accordance of the establishment they are in.

[Falcon]

Look, bottom line is, we have choices; when we want to be 'pampered' ah la people looking after you every need (including picking up after you), there are places designed for that, the 'we serve' establishments, and their prices reflect this.
On the other hand, when you want the fast food ah la, pick up your stuff and take it to your seat, there are places designed for that too, and too the prices reflect that. What I can't stand, is when people are too cheap to go to the 'we serve' establishments, so they go to the fast food places and create the mess we debate by not acting in accordance of the establishment they are in.

:lol: Nice, so it out in the open now. Forget the preposition at the end of that sentence, we not talking about that today.
I so glad you finally say that there are rules, some written and others unwritten, in fast food joints. Who makes these rules and I would like to know if McEstablishmens EXPECT us to pick up after ourselves. These places work out every detail of their business. I'd love to know if at boardroom level, Ronald McD and the Colonel factor this into the business.

Bottom line IS if you do then you just helped them and behaved par for the course for some other patrons. If you don't then you should never be labelled a sloth.

[snowbird]

:lol: Nice, so it out in the open now. Forget the preposition at the end of that sentence, we not talking about that today.... ..Yeh, let's leave that for Huma, he coming with his chalk in one hand and big ruler in the other to address this issue any minute now :lol:

I so glad you finally say that there are rules, some written and others unwritten, in fast food joints. Who makes these rules and I would like to know if McEstablishmens EXPECT us to pick up after ourselves....... They do and yes, even though it is not 'Enforcable' the expectation is there.

These places work out every detail of their business. I'd love to know if at boardroom level, Ronald McD and the Colonel factor this into the business....... yes, which is why they place their Gabage Cans in areas that are clearly visible and accessable to the public

Bottom line IS if you do then you just helped them and behaved par for the course for some other patrons. If you don't then you should never be labelled a sloth...... no but you run the risk of being labelled a slob

Falcon, when public bathrooms are erected, you never see signs that say.... pee here, or flush after use, the expectation is that you will :lol: but you know what? some slobs don't :twisted:

[Falcon]

If the expectation is there then that is news to me and I will not fight for the right that people can leave their rubbish on their tables any more.

Rules are rules, enforceable or not!

[Double Trouble]

The kids have to be taught from an early age, about not littering. There are so many changes that can be made, some almost overnight, if only the laws of the land were enforced with due diligence. When someone is aware that he or she is liable for a huge fine, their attitude will quickly changer for the better. For the life of me, I can not understand why enforcement is such a massive hurdle in T&T.

[snowbird]

^^^

Reason may be, as is seen here on this forum, the minute you point out an instance of wrong doing, you end up with a barrage of examples of other people who are also doing it, but getting away with it.
Unfortunately the rule seems to be, principles be dammed....... " what's good for the goose, is good for the gander". :roll:

[brag]

People develop good habits if the majority are willing to live by the unsaid rules and set good examples themselves. It is just a natural quality in man to follow good rules and develop good examples if there is consistancy around as examples.

Take Tunapuna as an example and see how surroundings have changed or are changing.

In most of the neighborhoods of Tunapuna there is a new experince in the following areas just by good examples.

1) loud music have ceased in places where loud music was once a nuisance.
2) people are not raising chickens in their backyards anymore.
3) there is more respect for the quiet of the neighbors.
4) new classes of people now have manicured lawns and bushes in line with the Joneses.
5) the stray dogs have gone, and the house dogs are quiet during the nights.
6) most of the home surroundings are just beautiful with flowers and manicured gardens.
7) most people do not shout over each other's house to speak with friends.

All neighborhoods can become the same, as the trend is set by individual good examples. Self regulation and good examples are much better that forcing things down peoples' throats. The same man who was once an undesirable in the neighborhood will change if he understands how people want to live in their private homes and neighborhoods.

[snowbird]

People develop good habits if the majority are willing to live by the unsaid rules and set good examples themselves. It is just a natural quality in man to follow good rules and develop good examples if there is consistancy around as examples.

Take Tunapuna as an example and see how surroundings have changed or are changing.

In most of the neighborhoods of Tunapuna there is a new experince in the following areas just by good examples.

Having pride in one's country or surroundings is one thing, trampling on the rights of citizens who are doing nothing illegal is a whole different story.

1) loud music have ceased in places where loud music was once a nuisance. If it is in a residential area and being played loud at an unreasonable hour, then yes, it's a good thing.

2) people are not raising chickens in their backyards anymore. Why not? were they breaking some sort of a bi-law by raising free range chickens on their residential property? or were they simply offending their neighbours by keeping chickens?
3) there is more respect for the quiet of the neighbors. This is all good as long as you are not suppressing someones rights in the process.

4) new classes of people now have manicured lawns and bushes in line with the Joneses. What does class have to do with manicured lawns, and as to the Joneses setting the trend :roll: who died and made them the neighbourhood model :roll:

5) the stray dogs have gone, and the house dogs are quiet during the nights. Again good that strays are now being 'looked after' (not just killed or sent someplace else)

6) most of the home surroundings are just beautiful with flowers and manicured gardens. Sounds like all the people who couldn't afford to keep up with the Joneses were shipped out with the stray dogs. Whatever happened to 'mixed' communities, or is the standard for being neat and tidy now is to have botanical exhibit :roll:

7) most people do not shout over each other's house to speak with friends. There is a big difference between 'cussing' over the fence and having a neighbourly conversation 'over the fence'. What's wrong with fence ole talk? to me those 'fence' conversations is the epitome of island life. Trust me, you do not want to live in a country or neighbourhood where warmth and frendship is traded for the quiet and isolation of 'good taste'.

All neighborhoods can become the same, as the trend is set by individual good examples. Self regulation and good examples are much better that forcing things down peoples' throats. The same man who was once an undesirable in the neighborhood will change if he understands how people want to live in their private homes and neighborhoods. I am all for improvement, respect for one another and one's surroundings, but I draw the line at copying a hollow superficial model. If what you describe in Tunapuna is as you present it, then it sounds like Tunapuna quest for class it has lost it's soul.

[Chicabonita]

Brag, are you speaking of Tunapuna? :shock: I pass by that area very often and it's NOTHING like you describe. :shock:

[snowbird]

I remembered 'Puna' as being an old established vibrant town, with a mix of just about everything. For them to try to transform it into some sort of a 'cookie cutter' sub-urban uthopia would be a sin.

Look, T&T has it's Goodwood Park, and it's Westmorings, however to tamper with the old established communities would be unthinkable :twisted: . I'm all for keeping things neat and tidy, but remaking? :roll:. Look allyuh better hold on tuh allyuh history yes, allyuh doh know how precious it is.

Everybody wid manicured lawns :roll: What ever happened tuh the great grandmas and grandpas sweeping dey dirt yard wid dey cokeya (sp) broom tuh keep tings neat an tidy; an swinging under dey house in dey crocus bag hammock; talking tuh dey neighbour over de fence? dey banish dem? :roll:

[Chicabonita]

What ever happened tuh the great grandmas and grandpas sweeping dey dirt yard wid dey cokeya (sp) broom tuh keep tings neat an tidy; an swinging under dey house in dey crocus bag hammock; talking tuh dey neighbour over de fence? dey banish dem?

Don't worry, still going on.

[Devil]

some peoples social consciousness and courtesy depends on where they are... in trinidad there is an overwhelming sense of lawlessness.. so anything goes. Whereas in Canada, the rule of law is part of the national psyche and most people do their best to uphold it.. canada has a ridiculous number of laws that governs even the colour of your house.. where as we barely have building codes in trinidad..

[snowbird]

some peoples social consciousness and courtesy depends on where they are... in trinidad there is an overwhelming sense of lawlessness.. so anything goes. Whereas in Canada, the rule of law is part of the national psyche and most people do their best to uphold it.. canada has a ridiculous number of laws that governs even the colour of your house.. where as we barely have building codes in trinidad..

Yep, ridiculous is correct; so don't be too quick to applaud and adopt bad policy because the truth be know, most of those asinine rules and laws you refer to (they are really by-laws drawn up, and approved by the 'status quo') infringe on the personal rights of others, and if anyone of them were to be challenged, they will surely be struck down. I'll give you some examples from my own little city. I live in a residential area but, I or anyone in my household cannot........

1. Park on the street over night, if I happen to have overnight vehicles that exceed the amount of parking spaces in my drive way; we're S.O.L.

2. You cannot park a vehicle on any surface that is not designated for that specific use (no parking on your lawn, side ah yuh house etc), so you can see the conflict with #1

3. No parking of Commercial vehicles over a certain size on residential property, (if you have anything larger than a pick-up truck you've got to find parking for it elsewhere)

4. The paint colour of your house should 'conform' with the neighbourhood (if you happen to like STRIPES, but all of your neighbours happen to be beige people, S.O.L).

5. The style of your home should not compromise 'the integrity' of your neighbourhood. (if the two houses beside your are small, you cannot build a monster house between them).

6. You cannot cut your grass using an electric lawn mower after a certain hour in the evening (even though we have daylight until 10:00 at night in the summer and most people are still sitting out)

7. Lawns are expected to be kept neat, tidy and healthy;even though we can only water once a week; on a designated day, once in the morning and once at night (the by-law officer patrols to make sure everyone is complying).

8. Certain High Rises and Condos have resident restrictions of Window Coverings (Curtains etc.) to protect the aesthetic value of the building. They all have to appear white or off white from the exterior,( which means regardless of your decor inside, the covering has to be at lease lined so that the colours are not seen from the outside.

9. Heratige or Turn of the Century Homes; if you happen to own one that was 'designated' (by this little society that goes around slapping placques on old homes), then you cannot change or alter the appearence of the exterior of 'your home'. (no, no ripping down that ole arse arbour yuh doh want, or building that nice sun deck that you do want)

10. All pets must be kept on a leash at all times when on public property (so when yuh taking dat German Sheppard out for a run in the park, be prepared to 'run with him' ) :lol:

Oh this list can go on forever, and like I said, this is just in my little Utopia :lol: and yes, there is a very fine line between 'neat and tidy' and anal :lol: But whatever you do, be very careful what you wish for :lol: