Creole or Indian Food?

[Chicabonita]

Today I ate some nice creole food (I must admit I eat it only when I buy it outside because no matter what I do, I cannot get the real "Caribbean" flavor :drool:), and I was thinking whether I like Creole food more than I like Indian food and definetely Creole is number one! :love2:

So which one you rather and why?

[BW]

crab/conch and dumpling counts as which

[Poser]

Today I ate some nice creole food (I must admit I eat it only when I buy it outside because no matter what I do, I cannot get the real "Caribbean" flavor :drool:), and I was thinking whether I like Creole food more than I like Indian food and definetely Creole is number one! :love2:

So which one you rather and why?

i am not sure what is "indian" food and "creole" food .. maybe you could list some examples ..

[Chicabonita]

crab/conch and dumpling counts as which

BW, Sola says it is Creole so you can go ahead and vote. :)

[straphanger]

depends on my mood...i doh think i could ever choose :(

[Chicabonita]

"The cuisine of Trinidad and Tobago draws upon the varied origins of its people. Three influences predominate - Creole, Indian and Chinese cuisine.

Creole food commonly includes callaloo, macaroni pie and red beans. Indian food is based on curries. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago#Cuisine

[trini123]

I jus greedy - indian, chinese, greek, creole, mexican- if it in front ah meh ah go eat it. Need "everything" option.

[Solachica]

We have mix up thing becos if yuh say curry is indian then how they curry the crab to eat with dumplin' in Tobago. lol

I like things from both so fusion for me :D

[Falcon]

Indian food based on curries?

That's a bit silly now isn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago#Cuisine

[letric]

Both...

[Aurea]

I can;t choose between the two - I love them both! So it have tuh have another choice on ur poll eh Chica.

Aurea

[Chicabonita]

I can;t choose between the two - I love them both! So it have tuh have another choice on ur poll eh Chica.

Aurea

lol The point was NOT to have many options! Maybe next time. ;)

[Chicabonita]

Indian food based on curries?

That's a bit silly now isn't it?

Well, I suppose the link gives a generalized or "popular" term. I think most people associate Indian food with curries (but yes, Indian cuisine is more than that).

[Poser]

i think it is a disgusting thread .. obviously made without any thought process .. maybe the author is ignorant of the Trini food and culture ...

what exactly is Indian food and what is Creole food …

this thread is opening up a can of worms that was left unattended many years ago..

I recall Zero Three and other Administrators having to ban members for using the term ‘creole’ .. now I am surprised that we are back to this separation .. why can’t we call it Trini food..
I am offended that we can use a separation of food to include Indian food and Creole food … I hope the author can explain… and the reason for the Poll.



Chicabonita
11-21-2010, 07:21 AM
as used by trinidadians

Some people seem to use the term to describe Afro-Trinidadians (not sure why).

For me a creole is an European descendant born in Latin America or the West Indies (example: French Creole).
Chicabonita
11-22-2010, 07:11 AM
Creole in the trini indian context means afro trini.
Thus the whispers of 'she dey with a creole'.

Is this something recent?
jacques
11-26-2010, 03:11 PM
Technically, anyone who is not Amerindian and is born in the West Indies is a creole. It has nothing to do with race (there are white creoles and black creoles). For some strange reason, in Trinidad, the creole Indians are not called creole...

Wayne
11-26-2010, 03:38 PM
Technically, anyone who is not Amerindian and is born in the West Indies is a creole. It has nothing to do with race (there are white creoles and black creoles). For some strange reason, in Trinidad, the creole Indians are not called creole........................

Jacques...................to many people that is sacrilegious.
snowbird
11-30-2010, 02:21 AM
The official definition of 'Creole' is that of a European decendent born in the West Indies

HOWEVER in Trinidad in the olden days the term creole was used to describe someone of 'mixed race' ..... (other than the Indian/Afro mix who were labelled either by the dominant race...or as Douglas) ....so basically if your blood line was anything foreign and a local ..... you were considered or referred to as a 'creole'.

I had creole/Syrian friends; creole/Chinese friends; creole/French friends ...... and many. friends like me who had multiple bloodlines and were all simply referred to as 'creole.... in Trinidad.
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jacques
11-26-2010, 08:19 PM
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Jacques...................to many people that is sacrilegious.

Let me make it worse then.

I guess when the first Indians hit Trinidad, most of them knew no English and learnt as they went along, and hearing the mostly English or Scottish-born estate drivers refer to locals as creoles but not to Indians as creole (because then they were not), they misunderstood the term to be a racial one, and never realised that they were making creole children...

[vaio]

ummmmm ok


btw i love both!

[Falcon]

Poser, in my opinin as a reader and a participant on this thread, I took her use of creole to represent an adjective rather than the noun.
I cant remember us banning anone for saying creole. I was at the forefront in getting the n word and GuyGuy's c word discouraged. But never the word creole. Please refresh my memory if I am mistaken.

Nevertheless, if the term is offensive, we can discuss this among the members (maybe even on this thread) and get an idea if our interpretations of the word in this thread are representative of the wider forum.

[Poser]

Falcon .. Nightshade was banned for continuously using the work 'creole'

maybe as a connoisseur of food ... you can tell me what is Creole food?

then i can have a better understanding ...

it amazes me that that this thread is open for discussion ... while other threads with complaints registered against them are immediately locked or removed ..



Nevertheless, if the term is offensive, we can discuss this among the members (maybe even on this thread) and get an idea if our interpretations of the word in this thread are representative of the wider forum. thanks.


do you offer this option to all members ....

[Chicabonita]

the author has offered her explanation of the work Creole ... some 6 months ago .. is it an obsession .. i don't know .. i am not a professional ..

You are mistaken (once again). If you are going to quote me, at least quote me properly. This statement:


Creole in the trini indian context means afro trini.
Thus the whispers of 'she dey with a creole'.

Was written by Amelia, NOT me.

http://www.ttonline.org/threads/11050-definition-of-creole?highlight=creole

Now, if you have any further complaints or concerns with regards to this thread please use the appropriate board otherwise any more of your rants on this thread will be deleted.

[Chicabonita]

Both...

lol

Some people were telling me I should have add Chinese food but I just wanted to give two options only. :)

One of my kids just told me he would vote for Indian food. He is a lover of Indian sweet treats and roti. lol

[sylvestter]

poser, are you serious???

i think it is very obvious that the author of this thread is speaking about her taste in FOOD, and we all know that she is not native to this country.

drawing references and parallels to people who were trying to use the forum to promote negativity and strife is quite ridiculous.

there is NO DOUBT in my mind that we are talking about types of food here: calaloo and stew chicken and macaroni pie and coucou and dhalpouri and curry goat and geera pork and dhal.

folks, can we continue to keep this discussion on track as it relates to FOOD?

if anyone feels gravely offended or 'disgusted' with regard to the subject matter of this thread, please register your concerns on the complaints board.

[sylvestter]

btw, my answer to the question initial posted is 'neither'.
i'm partial to chinese and arabic food :P

[Aurea]

lol

Some people were telling me I should have add Chinese food but I just wanted to give two options only. :)

One of my kids just told me he would vote for Indian food. He is a lover of Indian sweet treats and roti. lol


oooo, ur kid has taste - I love indian sweets myself. YUMMY!!

Aurea

[amzz]

poser playing chupid

[lexbarker]

I love food so it is a difficult for me to say. I love them all when cooked properly.

[guyguy]

I love indian sweets myself. YUMMY!!

AureaThis is one Indian sweet I love ...



6711

[Aurea]

This is one Indian sweet I love ...



6711


lol! Hmmm who is she GG?

Aurea

[guyguy]

lol! Hmmm who is she GG?

AureaWaheeda Rehman.

[bigzack]

If I say that I like roti, and bussup shot, and doubles, and dhal and rice, and sahina, and kurma, but I never eat Indian food yet, ah right or ah wrong?

[straphanger]

yuh wrong

[lexbarker]

yuh right.

[Falcon]

Falcon .. Nightshade was banned for continuously using the work 'creole'
....
I pressed the ban button for nightshade. I can tell you that your quote above is incorrect and I hope members understand that you are either mistaken or trying to mislead.

[sacky]

If I say that I like roti, and bussup shot, and doubles, and dhal and rice, and sahina, and kurma, but I never eat Indian food yet, ah right or ah wrong?

ha ha ha ole police i like this one.

[Chicabonita]

I told everybody already this morning that I'm not cooking on Sunday lol so they better get me some nice stew chicken, macaroni pie and lentil peas! YUMMMMMM!

[bigzack]

ha ha ha ole police i like this one.

Buh Sacky, I know I right.

I never went tuh India.

Ah never eat in ah Indian restaurant.

Ah eat plenty roti by Zoraida and dem.

Ah eat real bussup shot and pumpkin by Ramesh house.

If yuh see bodi and sada roti ah lick dong by mih batch Teemul, dong dey in Flanagin Town last year.

Buh just like me, none ah dem never went tuh India yet.

So wey I get Indian food from tuh eat?

Time it reach America or Trinidad from Calcutta, it done spoil aready.

[bigzack]

yuh wrong

Yuh wrong.

[Chicabonita]

Buh Sacky, I know I right.

I never went tuh India.

Ah never eat in ah Indian restaurant.

Ah eat plenty roti by Zoraida and dem.

Ah eat real bussup shot and pumpkin by Ramesh house.

If yuh see bodi and sada roti ah lick dong by mih batch Teemul, dong dey in Flanagin Town last year.

Buh just like me, none ah dem never went tuh India yet.

So wey I get Indian food from tuh eat?

Time it reach America or Trinidad from Calcutta, it done spoil aready.

Zack it seems like you are living too long in Maryland......Americans are big in political correctness. In Trini, as you can see by this thread or in day to day conversation everyone knows what "Indian food" or "Creole" food is...seeing beyond that and finding distinctions on their meaning is trying to split hairs, not worth it if you ask me. :) I really don't wish to do that on this thread (it is not the purpose).

:)

So maybe you can tell us whether you like a nice chicken roti or you rather stew chicken with macaroni pie. ;)

[Aurea]

Waheeda Rehman.

Heard about her GG, I know Sharmila Tagore more than I know Waheda Rehman doh. :)

Aurea

[guyguy]

Heard about her GG, I know Sharmila Tagore more than I know Waheda Rehman doh. :)

AureaGet a copy of the movie Guide. You'll see the sweetest Indian ever - great movie too btw.

Chicabonita,
Would that be North Indian or South Indian food? And, would that be Trinidadian Creole food or Louisiana style Creole food? You have to be precise gyul.

[saltwater]

Guy you took a long holiday fm the forum and you come back like this...like you was starved for food talk..

Anyway, I fine all you trying to be to difficult with Chica in this tread.
She is talking about Trini creole food to Trini people in a Trini forum.
All you ever here about "in context".

[Aurea]

Get a copy of the movie Guide. You'll see the sweetest Indian ever - great movie too btw.

Chicabonita,
Would that be North Indian or South Indian food? And, would that be Trinidadian Creole food or Louisiana style Creole food? You have to be precise gyul.


GG there is one song from that movie that I just LOVE - tere mere sapne ab ek rang hain. I did not know she is/ was Wheeda Rehman doh. Thank's G

Aurea

[guyguy]

Guy you took a long holiday fm the forum and you come back like this...like you was starved for food talk..

Anyway, I fine all you trying to be to difficult with Chica in this tread.
She is talking about Trini creole food to Trini people in a Trini forum.
All you ever here about "in context".lol @ ... starved for food talk..

Why diddent Chica say "Trini Food of East Indian Descent" and "Trini Food of African Descent" den or "Indo-Trini Food" and "Afro-Trini Food"? She cornfuzin' all ah we, oui. lol

[bigzack]

lol @ ... starved for food talk..

Why diddent Chica say "Trini Food of East Indian Descent" and "Trini Food of African Descent" den or "Indo-Trini Food" and "Afro-Trini Food"? She cornfuzin' all ah we, oui. lol

Exactly!!!!!

Allyuh doh play with Fatima and Naparima fellas yuh know.

Allyuh hah tuh come good.

[Chicabonita]

Chicabonita,
Would that be North Indian or South Indian food? And, would that be Trinidadian Creole food or Louisiana style Creole food? You have to be precise gyul.

I think Syl's post here explains it well:

http://www.ttonline.org/threads/12768-Creole-and-Indian-..-thread?p=304203#post304203

Feel free to reply there if there are any other concerns about the use of those words. :)

[Chicabonita]

lol @ ... starved for food talk..

Why diddent Chica say "Trini Food of East Indian Descent" and "Trini Food of African Descent" den or "Indo-Trini Food" and "Afro-Trini Food"? She cornfuzin' all ah we, oui. lol

Please stop trying to hijack the thread. Reply to the link I gave if you all have any concerns otherwise please stop trying to split hairs.

[guyguy]

Chicabonita,
When dealing with certain subjects, one must be cognizant of the fact that there are many interpretations - genuine interpretations - so one must take extra care to be as specific as possible. For example, when you go to the grocery, do you ask for Flour or do you ask for a specific amount of Flour? See what I mean?

[straphanger]

Yuh wrong.

how am i wrong...ive eaten the same exact foods that you named, in India...
sure there is slight variation, but then again not everybody does use the same exact recipe to make callaloo :)

[guyguy]

Strap,
They have "Doubles" in India girl? I've been to Mumbai & Bangalore, and even to an authentic Trini restaurant in Bangalore and never saw "Doubles" like we have in T&T.

[BW]

So doubles is really indian food? Not trini?

Edit: gg preempt meh yes lol

[straphanger]

google choley kulcha
every time i have eaten that, the channa tastes exactly like doubles channa...and the kulcha is soft and fluffy like a bara

[straphanger]

So doubles is really indian food? Not trini?

BW...there's always some connection
I am finding that out everyday

[BW]

I tort it was in naps we invent doubles

[guyguy]

Dat look like sada roti, not Doubles bara. But ah go take yuh word for the channa. Dey does use de same kinda sauce like we? And where in India did you get this? I want to know so when I go next time I cud look for it.

http://www.ifood.tv/network/chole_kulcha

[guyguy]

I tort it was in naps we invent doublesThat is CORRECT!!!

[guyguy]

You went Naps too?

[straphanger]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRE8JEP1RdXlqNkXiqest3YpGJdVAW4X GHyg2tSqaZP5kn6kuGB
http://veggiecookbook.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/chole-baturabhature/

like I said...different people have different recipes, but it's definitely some relative of doubles

[straphanger]

Dat look like sada roti, not Doubles bara. But ah go take yuh word for the channa. Dey does use de same kinda sauce like we? And where in India did you get this? I want to know so when I go next time I cud look for it.

http://www.ifood.tv/network/chole_kulcha

guy...i got that in delhi
But, I am sure if someone visits Bihar or UP....they probably make their baras like how we make it
they even make dalpuri there :)

[guyguy]

Doubles
Calalloo
Dhal Puri Roti
Souse

These are all uniquely Trinidadian. Other countries have adopted them but they all were invented in Trinidad.

[straphanger]

guy....
take a look at this link, someone posted it on my facebook...i was fascinated by it.
If i had more time last month, I would have looked for those few places that made those things to compare them to trinidad

http://www.livemint.com/2011/03/11212204/Bihar8217s-pride-eat-it.html

[guyguy]

Sorry Strap but dat thing is no way near ah Doubles. Even de bara make different.

[straphanger]

tasting is believing :)

[Poser]

Doubles was invented by a man from Princess Town .. Ali .. his brother is Deens..

[guyguy]

“Litti chokha is a great health food,” says Pushpesh Pant, the author of the voluminous India: Cookbook. “It demands no frying ..." Bara is fried, not baked. Dem Indians want to teef we Doubles, dem Americans want to teef we Steelpan, and dem British ... well, until Eric kick dem out, dey teef everything.

[guyguy]

Doubles was invented by a man from Princess Town .. Ali .. his brother is Deens..Not True Poser, not true at all. It was invented at Naps.

[straphanger]

Bara is fried, not baked. Dem Indians want to teef we Doubles, dem Americans want to teef we Steelpan, and dem British ... well, until Eric kick dem out, dey teef everything.

lol

[Poser]

okay Guy ... the Naparima Cookboot ... had an influence rofl

[bigzack]

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/How_doubles__was_born-120555749.html



Among the many entertaining stories that Ramnarine tells relates to how "doubles" was born. As he recalls, he and his friend Harold Baldeo went to Mr Singh, the barra vendor who supplied them regularly with barra and channa. "One day, I asked Mr Singh to put the channa on the barra like an open sandwich instead of putting the channa in a paper cone.

Sometimes, the channa fell off the barra, so I asked Mr Singh to give us a double barra with the channa inside, like a closed sandwich. The channa was kept inside by the double barra. The following day Harold simply asked for two doubles, one for him and one for me.
So Mr Singh, the doubles vendor and Harold Baldeo were the people responsible for creating the first "doubles" and the locale was the Naparima College quadrangle.

"Little did Mr Singh and Harold realise that the doubles was going to become the most popular fast food item in the country. Both of these gentlemen are now deceased but they should be posthumously recognised for their great contribution to Trinidad and Tobago. "
Incidentally, I have seen what looks like a doubles in Mauritius. I did not taste it to make sure since I ate so many doubles at Naps that my stomach could no longer deal with them.

—Selwyn Ryan


Yuh see GuyGuy and all coulda been ah great Trini inventor, if he didn't use tuh break so much beach.

[Chicabonita]

how am i wrong...ive eaten the same exact foods that you named, in India...


Good thing you are talking from your own experience. The influence is there, no doubt. :)

Everyone knows exactly what this thread is about.

[Poser]

so which category does Doubles fall in .... Indian or Creole ...

.

[guyguy]

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/How_doubles__was_born-120555749.html



Yuh see GuyGuy and all coulda been ah great Trini inventor, if he didn't use tuh break so much beach.Yuh forget to paste the MOST IMPORTANT part.


Mr Paray Ramnarine, my former history teacher at Naparima College in the 1950s has written an informative and entertaining little book about his stint as a master at Naparima College which many of his fellows and pupils in his history classes would find interesting and helpful in remembering their own college experiences.
So Mr Singh, the doubles vendor and Harold Baldeo were the people responsible for creating the first "doubles" and the locale was the Naparima College quadrangle. BTW: Harold Baldeo's brother, Albert, just passed away. His other brother, Gerry, is known as Gerry Bednob, the guy who played the old Indian man in "The 30 y/o Virgin."

[guyguy]

so which category does doubles fall in .... Indian or creole ...

.trini

[Poser]

trini

i agree ..

like the poll bust or people refuse to get baited ... only three peeps replied ... when will they learn..

.

[guyguy]

Poll buss long time now man. Only Chicabonita eh realize dat yet. But, yuh have to make allowances - she iz ah forrinner nah. lol

[Chicabonita]

... when will they learn..

.

Yes, when they will learn to move on and stop being all worked up when things don't go their way. ;)

[Chicabonita]

Poll buss long time now man. Only Chicabonita eh realize dat yet. But, yuh have to make allowances - she iz ah forrinner nah. lol

Now that is enough, thank you. :) This is not the Ole Talk board as you can see. So please keep the thread on topic (otherwise some posts will have to be deleted) and stop trying to be difficult. Yes, you know what I am talking about.

[Poser]

Poll buss long time now man. Only Chicabonita eh realize dat yet. But, yuh have to make allowances - she iz ah forrinner nah. lol

ah real Trini will never tell her husband .. 'darling leh we go for some creole food'

or 'ah feeling for some inian food'

is more like 'you feel like some fry plantain and curry eddoes'

or ... 'leh we fry up that fish and trow it down with some pigeon peas and sada roti"


but you never know .. maybe things have changed and when you go by KFC and they ask you how you want the chicken .. you say 'the creole way please'

.

[guyguy]

Chicabonita,
Start deleting away ... knock yourself out, but try and learn something about how to conduct a proper poll. I guarantee you'll get many more participants. Already there is a great deal of information contained within the replies so you might want to adjust your poll - or not.

[guyguy]

but you never know .. maybe things have changed and when you go by KFC and they ask you how you want the chicken .. you say 'the creole way please'

.I does ask for de Chinee way ... dais sideways eh, jess in case yuh diddent know. lol

[amzz]

oh goodness.. ah set of lil chirren in dis place oui.. my 9 yr old students could carry on ah better convo dan allyuh

[Poser]

we are discussing the different ways of trying to understand the meaning of the thread title and now the author has threatening the Membership ...

it is not personal .. it is democratic

[Chicabonita]

we are discussing the different ways of trying to understand the meaning of the thread title and now the author has threatening the Membership ...

it is not personal .. it is democratic

I know you want this thread closed badly, sorry to disappoint you so much.

[Chicabonita]

Chicabonita,
Start deleting away ... knock yourself out, but try and learn something about how to conduct a proper poll. I guarantee you'll get many more participants. Already there is a great deal of information contained within the replies so you might want to adjust your poll - or not.

I choose not to adjust my poll.

[Chicabonita]

It's interesting that the posters who live abroad seem to be confused at the terminology that is so common in Trinidad and Tobago. Like I said, if anyone has an issue with the meaning of these words they can take their concern to the appropriate board. Having said that, I'm glad this thread is gathering so many replies. Seems to be the hottest thread. :)

[saltwater]

The tred more interesting than the political board lol

[Chicabonita]

The tred more interesting than the political board lol

lol lol lol

[Poser]

It's interesting that the posters who live abroad seem to be confused at the terminology that is so common in Trinidad and Tobago. Like I said, if anyone has an issue with the meaning of these words they can take their concern to the appropriate board. Having said that, I'm glad this thread is gathering so many replies. Seems to be the hottest thread. :)

controversy brings traffic .. always remember that

[guyguy]

I choose not to adjust my poll.Then expect very little participation.

[Zerothree]

It appears that a very small number of posters who do not wish to participate in this thread and poll, are currently participating quite a lot.

There have been repeated requests to not derail this thread by the author.


While it is very plain to all involved that you are attempting to disrupt this thread for our own purposes, whatever they may be, I am asking politely, that you end this childish behaviour.

Thank you in advance.

03.

[letric]

Today I ate some nice creole food (I must admit I eat it only when I buy it outside because no matter what I do, I cannot get the real "Caribbean" flavor :drool:), and I was thinking whether I like Creole food more than I like Indian food and definetely Creole is number one! :love2:

So which one you rather and why?

My preference
Fish in Coconut Milk, Green Fish Curry, Chicken Chettinad made with ginger,coconut, cinnamon,
and cardamoms, Green Chicken Korma, Lamb Slow Cooked in Onions and Yoghurt Shank Korma,
blending Moghlal and Nawabi cuisunes. The Gujarati Mango and Yoghurt Curry is a tasty treat
for vegetarians or perfect for lunch or as a side dish, while Lamb with Plumbs the swetness of
fruit with spicy aromas of cinnamon and chilli is a treat.
Why?
Enjoy eating spicy dishes...

[guyguy]

It appears that a very small number of posters who do not wish to participate in this thread and poll, are currently participating quite a lot.
03.Point of Order Mr. Administrator: There are many posters who wish to participate and are participating in the Thread but are ignoring the Poll. But you knew that already, didn't you, and you also know why too, don't you?

[Falcon]

right

my turn

this has gone on for too long

after my post, ANY POST (with the exception of Admin, because if I move dem posts I will get retrenched) that does not deal directly and exclusively with the culinary aspects of this thread, will be removed.

tenks.

[guyguy]

In the world of the culinary arts there is a great deal of diversity that those that are charged with the multitudinous methodologies of preparations, who try to satisfy the gastronomic cravings of their participants, endeavour to become familiar with the sheer magnitude of such an undertaking, which is oftentimes mind-boggling since those people must be able to prepare a wide variety of dishes and to discern the subtlety of flavours that are imparted to the cooked entrée while being able to distinguish, without a second thought, the value that every spice or concoction known to man imparts to the dish(s) being prepared so that the end result is applauded by the consumer, but, these dishes are and have been generally named after a plethora of things, people, countries, races and even religion, and, this leads us to frequently become confused when describing certain dishes from certain parts of the globe such as the Caribbean, Europe, Asia, Middle East, North Pole, and even within these geographies, dishes vary within the region and even within the country though some may argue that dishes vary within villages and tribes within the same locale, as is the case with the island of Trinidad where there are dishes that have been influenced by foreign countries, such as Africa, India, China, the Middle East, Greece, and even so, we have the North Indian influence, the South Indian influence, the African influence, particularly Eastern Africa, the Lebanese influence, the Syrian influence, the Mandarin Chinese influence, the Cantonese Chinese influence, the Szchezuan Chinese influence that all are delectable when prepared properly by preparers of good rather than ill, repute, and that brings us to the poll at hand which seeks to canvass the membership of this Forum for their input regarding their preference in cuisine which, instead of listing the diverse gastronomic delights that are widely available for consumption in Trinidad, has been whittled down to two types of foods, namely "Creole" and "Indian" which, as everyone knows, do not exist in Trinidad because there is no such being as a "Creole" nor an "Indian" native to Trinidad, although the original inhabitants of the island were considered to be "Indian" by European interlopers who couldn't tell a Carib from an Arawak nor could they tell a Mayan from an Aztec, so they chose to, in their ignorance, lump all peoples that did not share their lack of melanin and gold or red coloured hair and non-brown eyes, into a single group, and this has been passed down for centuries which brings us to the current dilemma of "Creole" and "Indian" foods and which one is preferred via a poll which again raises the argument of what is "Creole" food and what is "Indian" food, so until these foods are defined unequivocally, it will be futile to gauge the preference of one over the other, and even if this unequivocal definition were stated, there would arise a great debate about the definition itself which will again return us to the premiere argument of what is "Creole" food, and who are "Creoles" and what is "Indian" food and who are "Indians" as these terms pertain to the island of Trinidad.

And this post deals directly with the culinary aspects of this Thread. I'm certain that the majority of readers will comprehend what has been written whereas some may not and choose to exercise their privilege of deleting the post.

[amzz]

gg, since you are so passionate about the usage of the word I suggest you take it to TIDCO as they too seem ignorant of your argument. http://www.gotrinidadandtobago.com/trinidad/dining/

[Chicabonita]

Great link Amzz from the Official Trinidad and Tobago Travel and Tourism site (TIDCO). Now, I am really getting hungry. :)

[saltwater]

Guy when you make yr complaint to Tidco tell them to change unusual food to indigeous food. Thks
Back to the topic, I find to much of either type of food will get you fed up and stuffed at the same time

[Chicabonita]

Back to the topic, I find to much of either type of food will get you fed up and stuffed at the same time

lol Some time ago, I was telling someone that I was kind of fed up of roti but then the other day I was invited by someone who made a delicious paratha, pumpkin and bodi roti that I just couldn't resist! I am not into Indian sweets, my kids love them but I don't. But again, I am not a fan of sweets in general. I find I get fed up easier with curry dishes than creole dishes. For instance: I cannot eat curry every day but I could surely eat a bowl of cow heel soup every single day without ever complaining! lol YUM!

[vaio]

cow feet??? ewwwww

[Chicabonita]

cow feet??? ewwwww

I know! lol Everyone cannot believe I like cow heel soup but I just LOVEEEEE it! Same for stew chicken and macaroni pie! YUMMMM!

[sylvestter]

i have always hated cow heel soup :embarassed:

[vaio]

what i complaining about, i love chicken foot souse :woot:

btw, what kinda food is pelau?

[Chicabonita]

i have always hated cow heel soup :embarassed:

My husband too! lol

[sylvestter]

cow heel, ox tail... ewwwwww. not me and dat.

[Chicabonita]

what i complaining about, i love chicken foot souse :woot:

Noooooooooooo ewwwwwww!


btw, what kinda food is pelau?

Here they list it as creole:

http://westindiandining.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49:pelau-&catid=34:creole&Itemid=57

[vaio]

chicken foot souse :drool:

well my fav:
creole dish is pelau
indian dish is duck and dhalpuri

:eating:

[Chicabonita]

chicken foot souse :drool:

At least I only eat the foot, you eat the nails and all. :s: lol

[vaio]

At least I only eat the foot, you eat the nails and all. :s: lol

dais the best part :woot:

[Chicabonita]

dais the best part :woot:

:s: :s: :s: :s:

[Wayne]

Fusion...........Both Ah Dem........De Best of Both Worlds'.........Once Yuh Try Both,Yuh Will Not Be Disappointed.

[straphanger]

what i complaining about, i love chicken foot souse :woot:

btw, what kinda food is pelau?


i dunno spies...maybe fusion?
it's made in the 'stew' kinda way- the creole influence
but indians have pulao, which is a similar mixed rice dish, jus not stewed

so maybe the name came from india but the recipe is west african?

[amzz]

what is chicken foot souse?

[vaio]

i dunno spies...maybe fusion?
it's made in the 'stew' kinda way- the creole influence
but indians have pulao, which is a similar mixed rice dish, jus not stewed

so maybe the name came from india but the recipe is west african?

that's why i asked, cos i wasn't sure :dontknow:

[vaio]

what is chicken foot souse?

you heard about souse before? normally ppl would use pig feet but since some ppl doh eat pig, they use chicken feet :woot:

[amzz]

but what is souse?
iz it like broth?

[straphanger]

meat pickled in something close a broth- with green seasoning, garlic, cucumbers?

that's the best way i can describe it

[Chicabonita]

meat pickled in something close a broth- with green seasoning, garlic, cucumbers?

that's the best way i can describe it

Oh I thought that the meat was cooked first and then all those seasonings added.

[vaio]

Meat is cooked and added to seasonsed water consisting of lime and cucumbers.

[straphanger]

yea ah forget about the cooking part....allyuh talkin to a veggie here lol

[Chicabonita]

Meat is cooked and added to seasonsed water consisting of lime and cucumbers.

Oh, for a moment I thought it was raw chicken foot cooked in lime and cucumbers (like a ceviche)

[vaio]

yea ah forget about the cooking part....allyuh talkin to a veggie here lol

lol lol

[vaio]

Oh, for a moment I thought it was raw chicken foot cooked in lime and cucumbers (like a ceviche)

you've never had it?

[Chicabonita]

you've never had it?

No and I don't plan to...for now. lol

[vaio]

No and I don't plan to...for now. lol

let falcon make some for yuh :woot:

[Chicabonita]

let falcon make some for yuh :woot:

Ummmm welll...ummm...hehehe ummmm well...ummm

lol

[guyguy]

gg, since you are so passionate about the usage of the word I suggest you take it to TIDCO as they too seem ignorant of your argument. http://www.gotrinidadandtobago.com/trinidad/dining/Me eh passionate bout nutten nah except food - any kinda food.

Ah hope yuh notice dat post was a single sentence eh. lol

[edyle]

You need a 3rd option for us Trinis.

[lexbarker]

but what is souse?
iz it like broth?

Made some last week.

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[Chicabonita]

Wow Lex, that dish is looking great!!!

[Solachica]

Souse is like ah chow with meat lol

[Chicabonita]

Souse is like ah chow with meat lol

Never had the courage to try it out. Meat is one thing but "chow" meat? :s:

[vaio]

try it chica, you just might like it:)

[saltwater]

Made some last week.

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Lex actually makes me feel to hv some of this

[lexbarker]

Lex actually makes me feel to hv some of this

I haven't had it for some years and my kid was dropping hints. He was surprised when he saw it. The bad part is that he took most of it home. My next project is to make a brick "chulha" in the back yard to make some pot bake.

[lexbarker]

Never had the courage to try it out. Meat is one thing but "chow" meat? :s:

It is a little more than chow meat. This bowl had 7 limes, chicken stock, corriander, onions, cucumber, green chives, salt, sugar, pepper and blackpepper.

[guyguy]

lex,
How long did you let the chicken marinate before consumption? And, would it be improper to add garlic? Can you post the step by step recipe? This looks so mouth-watering.

[letric]

Lex actually makes me feel to hv some of this

Looks like souse...

[vaio]

It is a little more than chow meat. This bowl had 7 limes, chicken stock, corriander, onions, cucumber, green chives, salt, sugar, pepper and blackpepper.

lex, i ent seeing no chicken toes in there, is pig yuh use?

[letric]

Lex, post the recipe ...

[lexbarker]

OK, here it is.

4 Pig Feet
7 Limes
1 Large Onion
1 Celantro Plant (Sprig?) (or substitute 3 to 4 leaves of Shandon/Shadow Bene)
1 or 2 Cucumber(s)
1 tin Chicken stock
Salt
Sugar
Pepper
Black Pepper

Optional: Chives or green onion (1/3 cup) as I have lots of it in the garden.
Garlic. I left out the garlic as I find it is a little over powering but add a grain or 2 you may like it.

Boil the pig foot for about 1¼ Hr on a low to medium heat. (Optional: I used some Thyme from my garden.) If you are good in estimating pressure cooker time go ahead it takes about 15 minutes. Note that pressure cooking is very unforgiving and the slightest off time can make it too soft. Test it with a fork to see that it is soft but still firm holding to the bone. Dump the hot water and cool it changing the water at least once and then add ice cold water to set the meat. Drain it. It now has a texture of hard jello. If it is over cooked it will fall off the bones.

For this one I started with the juice of 4 limes and ended up with 7.
Cut and add onions, Cukes, Chopped Celantro and Pepper.
Add 1 can chicken stock. (if you prefer bring to a boil and let cool)
Add the Salt, Sugar and Black Pepper to taste.
Soak for at least 4 hours but overnight is better.

I have never tried to make Chicken Feet Souse even though I had it at a street corner in Tobago. I may try it one day.

[letric]

OK, here it is.

4 Pig Feet
7 Limes
1 Large Onion
1 Celantro Plant (Sprig?) (or substitute 3 to 4 leaves of Shandon/Shadow Bene)
1 or 2 Cucumber(s)
1 tin Chicken stock
Salt
Sugar
Pepper
Black Pepper

Optional: Chives or green onion (1/3 cup) as I have lots of it in the garden.
Garlic. I left out the garlic as I find it is a little over powering but add a grain or 2 you may like it.

Boil the pig foot for about 1¼ Hr on a low to medium heat. (Optional: I used some Thyme from my garden.) If you are good in estimating pressure cooker time go ahead it takes about 15 minutes. Note that pressure cooking is very unforgiving and the slightest off time can make it too soft. Test it with a fork to see that it is soft but still firm holding to the bone. Dump the hot water and cool it changing the water at least once and then add ice cold water to set the meat. Drain it. It now has a texture of hard jello. If it is over cooked it will fall off the bones.

For this one I started with the juice of 4 limes and ended up with 7.
Cut and add onions, Cukes, Chopped Celantro and Pepper.
Add 1 can chicken stock. (if you prefer bring to a boil and let cool)
Add the Salt, Sugar and Black Pepper to taste.
Soak for at least 4 hours but overnight is better.

I have never tried to make Chicken Feet Souse even though I had it at a street corner in Tobago. I may try it one day.

Lex, thanks for the recipe.

[lexbarker]

Creole Sea Food... Pelau with lobster.


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[letric]

Whenever we return to TT always visit Breakfast Shed on Wrigthtson Road.

[letric]

Creole Sea Food... Pelau with lobster.


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Never had pelau with lobster, always chicken or beef. Looks like paella.

[Lover]

To answer the question, I have no preference, I love all Trinidadian Food, whether it is Roti, Pelau, Shark & Bake.... bring it on, I am eating all at once.

That Lobster Pelau looking good!

[letric]

To answer the question, I have no preference, I love all Trinidadian Food, whether it is Roti, Pelau, Shark & Bake.... bring it on, I am eating all at once.

That Lobster Pelau looking good!

Therefore you are gourmand.

[saltwater]

Creole Sea Food... Pelau with lobster.


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Lex you hv me thinking of yr food now. I am going to try this. Can you pls post yr recipe for it.

[Lover]

Therefore you are gourmand.

Yes, you can say I am!

[saltwater]

Whenever we return to TT always visit Breakfast Shed on Wrigthtson Road.
I hate breakfast shed food. That does go right in yr stomach and then weigh you down. I ate it twice and both times I hated it including the flies that zoom over the plate.

[letric]

I hate breakfast shed food. That does go right in yr stomach and then weigh you down. I ate it twice and both times I hated it including the flies that zoom over the plate.

To each his own. We enjoy eating there, yet to experience flies zooming over our dishes.

[letric]

Yes, you can say I am!

Watch your weight...

[lexbarker]

Lex you hv me thinking of yr food now. I am going to try this. Can you pls post yr recipe for it.

Salts, I will have to give you this later. I typed it on line and somehow lost it when I posted it.

[lexbarker]

Ok Salts.

I don’t have a recipe but this is what I did.

Lobster Pelau

3 Medium Lobsters
6 Salted Pig Tails
1½ lb Smoked Ham
4 Tins Green Pigeon Peas
½ Tin Coconut Milk (put the whole tin if you like a more coconut flavor)
2 Large Onions
1 Cup Chives
1 Large head Garlic
1 Teaspoon sugar
1 Tin Chicken Stock.
1 Cup Chopped Celantro
1 Medium Tin crushed Tomatoes
1/3 Cup Tomato Ketchup
8 (4 to 5 inches) Stems of Thyme
1 full pot spoon sugar for browning
Cooking Oil
3 ounces of butter
Black Pepper
1 Pepper


Cut up and soak pigtails to get out almost all of the salt.
Cut up ham in 1 inch cubes.
Cut up lobsters.

Heat oil and add the pot spoon of sugar to get browning.
After sugar is black and smoky, add chopped garlic and sautee for 1 minute.
Add chopped onions and sautee for another minute or so.
Add the pig tail and cook in low to medium heat for about 40 minutes.

You cannot cook this volume in a regular pot. It will burn. I use a roasting pan to cook the Pelau.
Put in the washed rice and mix in the remaining ingredients. Drain away Peas water.
The consistency should be a wet paste/slurry. Taste the mixture for salt and add if needed. Not enough water and the rice is still hard or too much it would be sappy. Bake for 25 minutes at 350 and another hour at 250 degrees. Check the center to see if it has dried up or needs more cooking.

[vaio]

lobster pelau is an interesting idea :)

[Aurea]

Ugh! Doh like lobster nah, so doh think I will like lobster pelau :s:

Aurea

[saltwater]

Lex, thks so much. I am going to try it out and I will post a pic to.
I was surprise that it had to be baked, but i will go bravely.

[letric]

Lex, thks so much. I am going to try it out and I will post a pic to.
I was surprise that it had to be baked, but i will go bravely.

Looking forward reading your success, also pictures. Be brave...

[lexbarker]

Lex, thks so much. I am going to try it out and I will post a pic to.
I was surprise that it had to be baked, but i will go bravely.

Good luck. I hope I remembered all the ingredients. This was a fair amount but you can make what you feel comfortable WITH.

(For Falks: My rule is if you can start a sentence with a preposition you should be able to end it with one.)

[lexbarker]

Ugh! Doh like lobster nah, so doh think I will like lobster pelau :s:

Aurea

Well, substitute with Shrimps or Crabs. Be a little creative.

[letric]

Well, substitute with Shrimps or Crabs. Be a little creative.

Pelau with beef or chicken is unbeatable ...

[Falcon]

Good luck. I hope I remembered all the ingredients. This was a fair amount but you can make what you feel comfortable WITH.

(For Falks: My rule is if you can start a sentence with a preposition you should be able to end it with one.)

nice rofl

[vaio]

Pelau with beef or chicken is unbeatable ...

expand your taste buds :)

[Chicabonita]

expand your taste buds :)

Duck pelau? :s:

[vaio]

Duck pelau? :s:

:drool: now yuh talking!

[Chicabonita]

:drool: now yuh talking!

Sick! lol

[vaio]

Sick! lol

don't knock it until you've tried it ;)

[Chicabonita]

don't knock it until you've tried it ;)

lol

[letric]

Curried duck ...

[kemist]

must have kucheela and/or cole slaw with pelau....

[kemist]

had some nice creole food yesterday - dem de make crab & dumpling and ah 'oildown' wit some fried saltfish on de side.:drool:

[Solachica]

Dumplin

[mammadon]

Today I ate some nice creole food (I must admit I eat it only when I buy it outside because no matter what I do, I cannot get the real "Caribbean" flavor :drool:), and I was thinking whether I like Creole food more than I like Indian food and definetely Creole is number one! :love2:

So which one you rather and why?

I like both equally.

Calalloo to me is as good as a roti or a saheena.

[letric]

I like both equally.

Calalloo to me is as good as a roti or a saheena.

What is a saheena?

[guyguy]

What is a saheena?Jamaican food.

[vaio]

letric should visit the Debe sheds on one of his visits :)

[letric]

Jamaican food.


Are you serious?

[letric]

letric should visit the Debe sheds on one of his visits :)

For a Jamaican dish?

[saltwater]

Are you serious?
Yes he is.

[saltwater]

Ok Salts.

I don’t have a recipe but this is what I did.

Lobster Pelau

3 Medium Lobsters
6 Salted Pig Tails
1½ lb Smoked Ham
4 Tins Green Pigeon Peas
½ Tin Coconut Milk (put the whole tin if you like a more coconut flavor)
2 Large Onions
1 Cup Chives
1 Large head Garlic
1 Teaspoon sugar
1 Tin Chicken Stock.
1 Cup Chopped Celantro
1 Medium Tin crushed Tomatoes
1/3 Cup Tomato Ketchup
8 (4 to 5 inches) Stems of Thyme
1 full pot spoon sugar for browning
Cooking Oil
3 ounces of butter
Black Pepper
1 Pepper


Cut up and soak pigtails to get out almost all of the salt.
Cut up ham in 1 inch cubes.
Cut up lobsters.

Heat oil and add the pot spoon of sugar to get browning.
After sugar is black and smoky, add chopped garlic and sautee for 1 minute.
Add chopped onions and sautee for another minute or so.
Add the pig tail and cook in low to medium heat for about 40 minutes.

You cannot cook this volume in a regular pot. It will burn. I use a roasting pan to cook the Pelau.
Put in the washed rice and mix in the remaining ingredients. Drain away Peas water.
The consistency should be a wet paste/slurry. Taste the mixture for salt and add if needed. Not enough water and the rice is still hard or too much it would be sappy. Bake for 25 minutes at 350 and another hour at 250 degrees. Check the center to see if it has dried up or needs more cooking.
Lex i made this yesterday. it took me 6 hrs with all the preparations I had to do. I made some changes...I added shrimp, bell peppers and carrots. it was delish. I will post a pic later. Thks for the recipe.

[saltwater]

Btw I do believe I make the bestest pelau in the world...

[Falcon]

when yuh coming Coventry next time, tell me; I will taste and assess your claim.

[letric]

Lex i made this yesterday. it took me 6 hrs with all the preparations I had to do. I made some changes...I added shrimp, bell peppers and carrots. it was delish. I will post a pic later. Thks for the recipe.



How many people?

[letric]

Yes he is.

What is it?

[guyguy]

What is it?Sahina.

[vaio]

For a Jamaican dish?

ask falcon to make some for yuh, he like to brag about his cooking :)

[letric]

Sahina.

Is spelling correct?

[lexbarker]

Lex i made this yesterday. it took me 6 hrs with all the preparations I had to do. I made some changes...I added shrimp, bell peppers and carrots. it was delish. I will post a pic later. Thks for the recipe.

Glad you did it. This is a favourite for my Christmas get together.