So whose fault is it?

[Falcon]

All these threads about mt hope and the C section gone wrong in San Fdo: who is to blame here in the forum's opinion?


I see a lot of posts saying "nasty doctors and dastardly nurses". But is this like in the case of plane crashes? Just blame the pilot?

The logs of human factors and errors show in many cases, it is the system (procedures and processes) that ultimately leads to the catastrophe.

Is it 'the damn doctor' that caused the girl's death? The papers said she did over 250 similar ops before. When doctors refuse to work because a supervisor isn't present, honestly how many of you will wait at the hospital? You will just start a thread on 'd doc was dey but wazzn doin nutting'.

Highly unfair that she has been tried already by layfolk.

[sylvestter]

i think there is negligence all around.

[Falcon]

Thanks for replying. Do you think the doctor's 'negligence' led to the girl's death? What specifically?

[vaio]

It is human to err but sometimes people like to overlook small details which can have disastrous consequences :s: Not saying that it was this in the case of the lady dying eh.

I listened to Dr Jehan Ali this morning on radio who was her Dr and he said that he offered his help to the Doctors when she was bleeding heavily. I know Dr Ali and he delivered my first child, has lots of experience and he thinks that maybe his intervention may have helped to save her :dontknow:

[Aurea]

Yeah Vaio, he was on the news last nite sayin the same thing. He said he offered his help but was rebuffed until they realized they need help, by that time it was too late. Dr. Ali has 34-35 yr experience, worked at sando, and was head of ob until he toke vesep and left. I think this man know's what he's talkin about.

Aurea

[vaio]

Chatoorgoon yesterday acknowledged that it was Ali who first saw Ramsoomair in distress on the hospital’s maternity ward. “Being the good obstetrician that he is, it was Dr Jehan who saw her looking pale in the hospital,” Chatoorgoon told Newsday.

i feel sick reading this :( Her private Doctor noticed something was wrong with her and not the people who were actually suppose to be taking care of her :(

[Aurea]

He apparently just came to visit her, and realized she wasn't well - he said she looked as white as a sheet.

Aurea

[vaio]

sorry link: http://newsday.co.tt/news/0,137623.html

[sylvestter]

It is human to err but sometimes people like to overlook small details which can have disastrous consequences :s: Not saying that it was this in the case of the lady dying eh.

I listened to Dr Jehan Ali this morning on radio who was her Dr and he said that he offered his help to the Doctors when she was bleeding heavily. I know Dr Ali and he delivered my first child, has lots of experience and he thinks that maybe his intervention may have helped to save her :dontknow:i was shocked to see that interview on the news last night. absolutely horrific.

[edyle]

Pathologist Dr Hubert Daisley performed the autopsy.

“Two blood vessels in the womb were ligated. That means, they were not tied off and presumably she died from bleeding,” Ali said,

By the looks of it, it appears to be some degree of negligence.

[Poser]

shortage of doctors and administrative politics

[straphanger]

just being devil's advocate, but maybe they didnt want his help because it's hospital policy/liability issue on the part of the hospital?
What if he did help and wasnt able to save her...then what?

[vaio]

just being devil's advocate, but maybe they didnt want his help because it's hospital policy/liability issue on the part of the hospital?
What if he did help and wasnt able to save her...then what?

may be so, but he was a member of the obgyn unit at that same hospital so even if he was there to offer some advice and not actually do anything regarding the surgery. He was able to look at her and determine that something was wrong and only then she was taken to do another surgery.

They went to him when she went unconscious and they were trying to resuscitate her but it was too late.

[Solachica]

Dr ali delivered a lot of babies. We used to tell his daughter he delivered all of us and now he delivering babies of the babies he delivered lol

But this isn't abt him, this is abt things tht went wrong.

[Falcon]

Two blood vessels in the womb were ligated. That means, they were not tied off and presumably she died from bleeding,” Ali said,


edyle,
if the meaning of the word ligate is: "(surgery) bind with a bandage or ligature"

then does that statement above make sense?

[edyle]

edyle,
if the meaning of the word ligate is: "(surgery) bind with a bandage or ligature"

then does that statement above make sense?

Aaahh. No it does not.
Nice point. I assumed ligated meant that they were cut; but ligated means to tie off the blood vessel to stop the flow.
Perhaps the doctor was misquoted and the reporter missed the word "not" as in "not ligated".

[Falcon]

Edyle, the standard of journalism is still poor

[guyguy]

edyle,
if the meaning of the word ligate is: "(surgery) bind with a bandage or ligature"

then does that statement above make sense?ligate
verb - To tie, close with a suture

McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

ligature
1. The act of binding.
2. Anything that binds; a band or bandage.
3. <surgery> A thread or string for tying the blood vessels, particularly the arteries, to prevent hemorrhage. A thread or wire used to remove tumours, etc.
4. The state of being bound or stiffened; stiffness; as, the ligature of a joint.
5. Impotence caused by magic or charms.
6. A curve or line connecting notes; a slur.
7. A double character, or a type consisting of two or more letters or characters united, as ae, <filig/, <ffllig/.
Origin: L. Ligatura, fr. Ligare, ligatum, to bind: cf. F. Ligature. Cf. Ally, League, Legatura, Liable, Legament. <surgery> To ligate; to tie.