Rally Weekend

[lou_uk]

Anybody going?

Right now I reporting from Point Fortin and de place is ah mess. Sando closer to here than town, but seem like de people down here eh fazed by travelling the longer distance. From de looks of things, dey getting dey thousand from this constituency.

I on the other hand will take up the observer status. :mrgreen:

PS: I also look forwARd to seeing who is up for the COP and where they will be going. Traditionally the PNM and UNC would put a candidate that matches the constituents. COP are expected to move away from that. After all it is "new politics" with a "national framework".

[Maccogirl]

Some one told me that they were driving down from east and its maxi taxi after maxi taxi with people in red going to town, there was also quiet a number waiting of the pavement looking for a ride like the PNM really getting they 41,000 today rain or no rain

[peanut]

Some one told me that they were driving down from east and its maxi taxi after maxi taxi with people in red going to town, there was also quiet a number waiting of the pavement looking for a ride like the PNM really getting they 41,000 today rain or no rain

Permit me to quote you here, crowds do not necessarily translate into votes. And from where I am, I can see that a significant number of those are teenagers.

In case you all are wondering where I am, I am in front my PC with updated videos sent to me via e-mail.

[Maccogirl]

Oh Geez look the PNM will have a crowd some of you keep acting as if the PNM dead, well wake up people the PNM is alive and well, talk all you want about teenagers the fact of the matter is they filling the square and judge from that the PNM not dead, like all yuh does only get happy when COP pull crowd :D :D

[Scorpio]

This crowd thing is so bogus. :roll:

Anyway, I can foresee this thread will degenerate into a debate about which party have de bigger crowd, and who pay ppl to go to they rally, and who lying about how much ppl was at they rally etc....

[peanut]

This crowd thing is so bogus. :roll:

Anyway, I can foresee this thread will degenerate into a debate about which party have de bigger crowd, and who pay ppl to go to they rally, and who lying about how much ppl was at they rally etc....

ENT???? lol lol lol

[Solachica]

I was out since abt 8am and it was crowd in Marabella with red. People does tote along their small children to and mind you the chirren wearing red to eh. I saw 2 women and abt 7 chirren this morning walking along the road by the mosque near bel air store.

I take pics of the COP rally setup. Wud post later.

[peanut]

From the pics coming in, the children out number the adults.

[saltwater]

Lisen..all ya need to bring better info for us who not in Trinidad. All them people in red way they going. Woodford Square or Skinner park. How much people in the Skinner people.

[sylvestter]

cop rally live now at http://www.wintvworld.com

[saltwater]

I listening to 91.9 PNM and tuning in to 101.7 for COP. I will report as I hear.
3.38 pm 91.9 say they have a report that 10,000 people in Skinner park and 14,000 in Woodford Square.

[lou_uk]

I watching de tv and both parties have big crowds. Nobody expected any less :D

[saltwater]

Anand Ramlogan just announced as candidate for COP Tabaquite

[BW]

dem people gon wild fuh anand eh

[saltwater]

He is a powerful speaker. He is good.

[peanut]

Anand beating the UNC and Panday!

[Maccogirl]

Talking about cutarse and pothound guess that is the new politcs ent :D :D

[BW]

Talking about cutarse and pothound guess that is the new politcs ent :D :D

Well, he did he say he not no "knife and fork" indian. He want 16+ chirren =|

Anil crackin meh up.

[saltwater]

Anil just say PNM rally get wash out. Who listening to PNM.

[Maccogirl]

Lie the PNM rally in full force

[peanut]

Lie the PNM rally in full force

MG, I am receiving updates from the PNM rally and a lot of people have already left the rally and the streets in POS are beginning to flood.

[BW]

what an entrance for dooks!

Can't believe he actualy showed up, after the week he's had.

edit: What de jail... Dookaran talking about a PNM-UNC alliance?

[Solachica]

At Skinner Park earlier today before the crowds came.

:ugeek:

[Maccogirl]

Not true about PNM rally the sq is packed they have presented their candidates, Raheal, Hinds and Diane was there sitting on the stage so guess they are still working with the party Mavis John singing at the moment.

[saltwater]

Lie the PNM rally in full force

MG, I am receiving updates from the PNM rally and a lot of people have already left the rally and the streets in POS are beginning to flood.
Peanut tell we more.

[BW]

hahaha, dooks pointing at a rainbow :D

Anyone know if the PNM rally is being broadcast on the internet somewhere?

[Maccogirl]

All yuh COP supporters good yes PNM is full force is even indian music they playing the sq pack and as the tune says it;s a love thing :D PNM is the greatest yes leh me see COP beat that one :D :D

[Maccogirl]

All yuh check that and weep http://www.pnm.org.tt/content/index.shtml

[knives]

Both Rally's looked packed....PNM seemed to have better production (=more money).

COP announced a very good list of canidates and Dooks is still calling for his 'sister' Kamla to join to COP.....seems likes it just a matter of time before she becomes a COP.

[knives]

wait nah PNM using a site called http://www.trinislackers.com to host the video feed from the rally.

And it seems thats all the site seemed to be used for....its sole purpose, there's no index page or anything, its just a server for the video.

PeeNM good yes, trinislackers indeed

[Maccogirl]

Knive give PNM that they hard to beat even Manning he is a excellent platform speaker he knows how to work his crowd, if I had any doubts about PNM taking this home well they are all erased now I dont think any other party will move them from office all the other two doing is fighting for who will be in opposition or not.

[Sumana]

Both Rally's looked packed....PNM seemed to have better production (=more money).

COP announced a very good list of canidates and Dooks is still calling for his 'sister' Kamla to join to COP.....seems likes it just a matter of time before she becomes a COP.

Don't hold your breath :)

[Falcon]

'Rally is'.......dont you just love it??!! :D

[Solachica]

Kamla released a short statement to the media saying she still is and wud always be UNC and she wud do anything to get rid of the PNM

[Sumana]

Kamla released a short statement to the media saying she still is and wud always be UNC and she wud do anything to get rid of the PNM

UNC ALLIANCE
SIPARIA CONSTITUENCY

Penal Junction, Penal. Tel: 647-4128 / FAX: 647-4876

STATEMENT





I am UNC.



I remain UNC.



I am fully committed to do everything it takes to remove the PNM and bring back good governance to our country.



I have worked steadfastly towards this goal at my constituency and at the national level.



The PNM is the enemy.



I will do whatever it takes to remove the PNM and restore responsible government to our country.



Mobilization in the constituency of Siparia continues apace in preparation for tomorrow's UNC Alliance Victory Rally at Mid Centre Mall, Chaguanas where I will be in attendance and where I will speak as scheduled.



In this vein, I appeal to all of my supporters and all supporters of the UNC Alliance to come out in full force at the Victory Rally as we accelerate the battle against the PNM.


Kamla Persad-Bissessar

Opposition Leader

UNC Alliance Leadership Council Member

Deputy Political Leader UNC

Siparia MP


October 6, 2007.

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The PNM is the enemy.

I will do whatever it takes to remove the PNM and restore responsible government to our country.


Except maybe joining the COP. ;)

Anand said it best: "the UNC is Panday and Panday is the UNC."

Kamla should know by now that there is no way she will ever be leader as long as Bas is around. It's kind of sad that she got her hopes up.

[Solachica]

Heard in news tht PNM rally had abt 11000 people. They however didn't mention crowd size of the COP.

You know I cud have sworn tht abt a month ago I saw sumana on tv giving some kinda speech. Was tht u gurl? :?

[lou_uk]

Which news did you hear Sola? I heard on either CNMG or TV6 while flicking through that the police estimate was 30,000 +. Tuned in to 91.9 and Gladiator said they had well over 41,000 but he had to be joking. He also claimed the adjoining streets were filled with mini sessions.

As 4 COP, they had a huge crowd as well but have not heard a figure.

[perkelv]

Police estimate was 30,00
But we'll see what the COP press will say tomorrow.
Remember how they played up the COP crowd in Woodford square?
I have issues with the way the press (esp Newsday) have gone so far into the pockets of COP financires that they are actually trying to manipulate the public. Sometimes subtly sometimes not.

Take for instance in todaya's Newsday, there was the headline "Rain on PNM's parade?" which basically telegraphed to PNM supporters about the likelihood of rain. While COP's "parade" was also today, they briefly mention at the very end of the article, that COP's rally may just escape the forecasted afternoon showers.

it may seem a little thing, but when you see this kind of thing day after day it gets ridiculous. They don't seem to realise they are losing credibility in the eyes of discerning readers. Maybe they think their readers are foolish and fall into the same trap they accuse the PNM and UNC of.

Out of curiosity, can anyone here name a single editorial or article of some length that says _anything_ negative about the COP in _any_ of the dailies? Think about it, are they that perfect!? The fact that a significant portion of their leadership consists of disgruntled (often failed) breakouts from other parties and eras seems lost on them.

Where is the investigative journalism that will unearth the reason for the huge swing of the Syrian support and finance to the COP?

[peanut]

Hey Perk, what is so different this time as it was in the last election except it was doing for the PNM what they are now doing for the COP?

I remember all PNM supporters lapping up everything the Media was reporting while the UNC supporters were crying foul, I suppose what goes around really comes around huh?

Intelligent, and experienced people know that the Media can make a Politician and it can break him.

[BW]

Where is the investigative journalism that will unearth the reason for the huge swing of the Syrian support and finance to the COP?

What kind of investigative journalism tell you it have an upswing ah syrian support and finance for COP?

The thing about Trinidad politics... de media isn't nearly as effective as all the rumshop talk and whisper campaigns. The media can say what it wants, it's the grassroots that make or break politicans.

Anyway, Trinidad has a long history of people owning and using their own media outlets to fuel their political campaigns. The Express at one time was implicated in that. The "Probe" is also arguably a current example. You could also possibly call Impshan Ishmal's IBN network as being a blow-horn for his views.

Nothing is wrong with that. Get your message out with as many different outlets as possible. That is the definition of free speech. However, if anyone can prove there is an organised effort to censor a particular view, then please, come forward with your information. I love investigative journalism. :)

[Maccogirl]

Yetming said in the rally for people to check the papers tomorrow or Monday because there is a poll coming out that places Dookeran as the favorite for PM, the last poll also had Kamla being placed very low but from the support she got over the last few days I wonder how she could of been placed that low. The papers had a lot to do with feeding the fire of this Kamla thing saying that she was going to be given leadership of the UNC when no decision of that nature was being asked by anyone in the UNCA, it was just to put someone to lead the Alliance fraction of the UNCA.

Today they are saying that Cadiz is going to resign on Monday, why Monday? If he is so upset about something why take two days to then say I leaving the UNCA is Cadiz not running for some seat under the UNCA ticket so what then he is not running again? The media made a big deal about Kamal not attending the media conference with Jack even I bought into it saying something wrong, they even hinted that she may go to the COP next thing Kamla makes a statement totally opposite to what they printed saying she is UNC and will remain a UNC.

Why all the effort to cause confusion in the mind of the voters, why this sudden desire from one section of the society to give the impression through the media that the COP is the only stable party when all others seem to be having trouble. The COP will all the talk they ready to rumble comes with 37 candidate to me that gives PNM a head start with two seats Tobago, as the UNC already said they not contesting the Tobago seats.

I am also very sure the media will have nothing to say about the COP selection of candidates I was not impressed, yes there are a few in there I would say can hold their own but the majority sure did not strike me and this surge of brilliant people coming to take T&T forward far less taking seats away from the PNM and critical seats at that. The D/Martin candidates are the worse they not even going to rattle those PNM strongholds Rowely and Imbert must be laughing and holding their bellies with glee, I am waiting to see the full list and I am sure I can draw a red line through most of them, the COP must really think this is a joke exactly what PNM seats with these candidates they expect to win, they really cant be serious.

[peanut]

[quote="Maccogirl"]I am also very sure the media will have nothing to say about the COP selection of candidates I was not impressed,

Gawd oman, who cares if yuh impressed or not, only the shinanigans from jackbas [the jailbud and the fifa conman] could impress yuh ... you is UNC remember

[perkelv]

I have no problem with newspapers backing a party, but they should come out openly and not try to do hatchet jobs on others behind the mask of "journalism".

As i said elsewhere the message is often subtle: take for instance todays Guardian report of the 2 rallies:

The COP:

A rainbow formed in the skies over Skinner Park yesterday evening, as the Congress of the People presented 38 of its 41 candidates

The PNM:

Jumping up to steelband music and eating bake and shark on Independence Square yesterday, PNM supporters were yesterday stopped in their tracks when rain began to fall,

See any difference in the laguage? LOL
That's just the tip of the iceberg. After ranting all of the last week or two about the big rift because of the Rahael, and Seukeran and Hinds factors. They make absolutely no mention that these same people came out to support the party and were very much present in today's activities. In fact, the Guardian reported virtually nothing about the PNM meeting except the 2% of Manning's speech that pitched some Picong at the other parties.


I mean, if that is what passses for journalism in this country, all i can say is that these papers have no moral authority to criticise politicians when they themselves are the most dishonest and unprofessional bunch, truly reflecting our banana republic status.

[peanut]

[quote="perkelv"]I have no problem with newspapers backing a party, but they should come out openly and not try to do hatchet jobs on others behind the mask of "journalism".

But Perk, dais how it has always been as far back as I can remember.

[Maccogirl]

Right Peanut and you are an strong advocate for the COP, but lord look at the people running for the D/Martin seats and tell me who taking those seats from the PNM. I support the UNCA yes but I have never came on here and pretended that the UNCA going to win it all, I have always maintained unlike some COP supporters that my view is PNM for the win. COP promised something different, new a strong slate and most of you bought into that I don't see it and to win government they are going to need 22 seats or more.

I don't pull the wool over my eyes I call it as I see it, the only thing UNCA can do is fight to maintain the Opposition they sure as hell not getting into government but since the belief is the COP can show me where, COP putting a man Rocky Garcia against Keith Rowley this has to be a joke, Joe Piers against Imbert another act of comedy, and Nicole Dyer against the young PNM doctor, that is three seats that PNM will maintain plus 2 from Tobago, so how the hell they forming the next government ....wake up nah and smell the coffee don't come and tell me I support UNC so that is why am not impressed, facts are facts and I don't live in la la land, the candidates that the COP came with cannot hold their own against the PNM new faces so deal with it, maybe you wishing for a miracle and a big one but not with those candidates.

[peanut]

Right Peanut and you are an strong advocate for the COP, but lord look at the people running for the D/Martin seats and tell me who taking those seats from the PNM. I support the UNCA yes but I have never came on here and pretended that the UNCA going to win it all, I have always maintained unlike some COP supporters that my view is PNM for the win. COP promised something different, new a strong slate and most of you bought into that I don't see it and to win government they are going to need 22 seats or more.

I don't pull the wool over my eyes I call it as I see it, the only thing UNCA can do is fight to maintain the Opposition they sure as hell not getting into government but since the belief is the COP can show me where, COP putting a man Rocky Garcia against Keith Rowley this has to be a joke, Joe Piers against Imbert another act of comedy, and Nicole Dyer against the young PNM doctor, that is three seats that PNM will maintain plus 2 from Tobago, so how the hell they forming the next government ....wake up nah and smell the coffee don't come and tell me I support UNC so that is why am not impressed, facts are facts and I don't live in la la land, the candidates that the COP came with cannot hold their own against the PNM new faces so deal with it, maybe you wishing for a miracle and a big one but not with those candidates.

And hummuch time yuh hear me say that PNM go win but they won't get the special majority they need? Dat realistic enough fuh yuh? Do not paint this COP supporter with de same brush eh.

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I don't pull the wool over my eyes I call it as I see it, the only thing UNCA can do is fight to maintain the Opposition they sure as hell not getting into government but since the belief is the COP can show me where, COP putting a man Rocky Garcia against Keith Rowley this has to be a joke, Joe Piers against Imbert another act of comedy, and Nicole Dyer against the young PNM doctor, that is three seats that PNM will maintain plus 2 from Tobago, so how the hell they forming the next government ....wake up nah and smell the coffee don't come and tell me I support UNC so that is why am not impressed, facts are facts and I don't live in la la land, the candidates that the COP came with cannot hold their own against the PNM new faces so deal with it, maybe you wishing for a miracle and a big one but not with those candidates.

Does it really matter who the candidates are? I was listening to that program on the WinTV called "The War Room", and they had a political scientist on there. He said, in no uncertain terms, that people vote based on party, and very little is based on the actual candidates. From my own experience, that sounds about correct.

[Maccogirl]

The PNM will win and they will get the majority they need just as everyone was warning the both parties about from day one, from what I saw from the COP I cant see anyone stopping the PNM steam roller, as for UNCA well lord I hope they come a lot better than what I saw today because the COP is all talk and fluff nothing more they cant help us at this stage not with that group.

[peanut]

The PNM will win and they will get the majority they need just as everyone was warning the both parties about from day one, from what I saw from the COP I cant see anyone stopping the PNM steam roller, as for UNCA well lord I hope they come a lot better than what I saw today because the COP is all talk and fluff nothing more they cant help us at this stage not with that group.

MG, the same was said of the NAR in "86 until the last 2 weeks of the election campaign. Ah keep telling all yuh, a day in Politics is like a whole year and anything could happen.

[Maccogirl]

That is your hope that people will vote COP just because they like the party so it does not matter who they put and you really feel the entire population of T&T buys into that? well if that is the logic of the COP good luck my friend :lol:

[peanut]

That is your hope that people will vote COP just because they like the party so it does not matter who they put and you really feel the entire population of T&T buys into that? well if that is the logic of the COP good luck my friend :lol:


and good luck to the UNC-A and tell Winston Peters if he get nominated for Mayaro ah go convince meh famalee on dat side to vote fuh he.

[perkelv]

I have no problem with newspapers backing a party, but they should come out openly and not try to do hatchet jobs on others behind the mask of "journalism".

But Perk, dais how it has always been as far back as I can remember.

I really wasn't following the politics and newspapers so closely last time around, but if that's how it was before doesn't make it any more acceptable now.
At the end of the day we read newspaers to be reliably informed not so? Your editorial writers can take whatever slant they wish, but when it comes to reporting events and you deliberately misrepresent or conceal facts, or enhance and polish what actually occured when it suits your agenda is downright dishonesty.

Dies the MATT have any role in all of this?

[peanut]

I believe the President of MATT is Dale Enoch of i95.5 [Lois Lee Sing's]