70 DAY SECURITY PLAN ???? WHAT A JOKE

[snowbird]

source Trinidad Guardian http://www.guardian.co.tt/news2.html

Saturday 22nd December, 2007

Stepping up the fight against crime...
Soldiers hit the streets toda
Security beefed up

280 Defence Force volunteers for 70 days
Plan takes effect from today
It will cost $4.9 million
BY COREY CONNELLY and CAROL MATROO

The Downtown Owners and Merchants’ Association (DOMA) is welcoming the Government’s decision to enlist the services of 200-odd Defence Force volunteers to assist in the fight against crime during the Christmas to Carnival period.

“The visibility of law enforcement has always been a deterrent to crime and the plan is in keeping with the belief that visibility will protect citizens from lawless individuals,” Doma president Gregory Aboud said yesterday, during a telephone interview.

The Ministry of National Security had announced the initiative in a statement on Thursday, after the weekly Cabinet meeting.

The venture, which takes effect from today, is expected to run over a 70-day period at an estimated to cost $4.9 million.

“Carnival follows Christmas very quickly this year and the two seasons are of great importance to the country and deserve heightened vigilance,” Aboud said.

The ministry said in a release that the security implementation programme would also see increased military support to the Police Service, heightened strategic patrolling at malls, major shopping areas, beaches, entertainment centres and other high risk areas.

The reserves, it said, are expected to carry out normal functions performed by regular members of the Defence Force.

This, the statement added, was intended to free up the latter to participate in heightened joint patrols with the police when needed.

In the past, increased patrols of uniformed personnel have served as a deterrent to certain crimes, the ministry said in the release.

Members of the T&T Defence Force Reserves were previously called out to assist the police and the Defence Force in anti-crime operations in Morvant/Laventille in 2003, and again in 2007 during the Cricket World Cup.


Patrick Manning and Martin Joseph again prove that they put the welfare of 'visitors' above those of the residents of Trinidad and Tobago. In a country riddled by crime the only time security is ever given a second thought is when an influx of visitors are expected.

This 70 day plan is as asinine as the 'Vision 2020'; base on the concerns aired during the election campaign Manning should be making an announcement that until crime is down to Zero (not an acceptable level which by the way is an oxymoron) that he is engaging the army in the fight against crime.]

[deathwinger]

If it involves capping a biatch, that's all good.

[Harry Williamn]

The only joke here is you snowbird....

The welfare of visitors from the country side coming to town for shopping and the Visitors at this time "bird of snow " happens to be TNT people and their friends who reside abroad and are home for Christmas brining their friends and co-workers and in laws and chidren born over seas home to TNT for Christmas and the Emperor is looking out for them as he is for all of us who live here so please,get a grip!

The World Cup Cricket was hosted here did you see any reports of visitors being robbed ? Or mysteriously dying like in Jamaica ?

Or Disappering without a trace like in Aruba ?

Carnival last year with millions of people here ...did you see any reports of visitors killed and robbed ?

It seems to me that any effort made by the Government to fight crime and secure the country is met with idiotic and senseless responses by some of you who cannot help but to " splurge " on your favourite " food " degrade and put down the efforts of the TNT people and their chosen Government.

Do you have any solutions except running your mouth against the efforts of the Government >

If you do not then please, have a heart and speak to law enforcemnet officials wherever you are and get some ideas and post them or go to the government's ideas and slice and dice them and expose its flaws until then ,please, go quietly to your bed ( are you sleeping on the floor tonight ?) ,say a prayer and sleep because if you lived in TNT you will have seen that the place is PACKED with people doing they last minute Chritsmas shopping and drinking they scotch and coconut water by the road in the clubs and pubs and every where people are enjoying TNT and music is everywhere in the city and the Mecca and on High Street Princess town and Sanfernando and police ( plain clothes and uniform ) soldiers are everywhere and crimnals have real reason to fear because the police eh playing is lead in the waist if they resist arrest.

We will have the best Christmas ever and the Murder rate eh go ever stop that!

[Harry Williamn]

Merry Christmas to you all and especially to you snowbird ( nothing personal just me calling the shots as I see them)...I wish you all the best of the season and it has been interesting reading many of your Post and thanks for reading mine.

To the Moderators I do not always agree with your thread locks and warnings but one must have order and nevertheless we are making some progress towards a more intelligent and respectful attitude on the FORUM and I wish you all a merry Christmas and I have to go run last minute errands because at this time" the boss" have ORDERED to get off the "Blinking Computer " go to the store and get the things you and your " lazy behind sons " should of get since this morning but all yuh only sit down drinking and arguing politics and sports and you on the computer...ah go shut it down just now you hear!"
Well folks you all know how it is when the madam issue that kind of edict ....so I gone! By the Grace of God ah will see you folks after Christmas.

[JPersad]

Harry Williams ,
I think you are the joke on this forum.
Drunk or sober .
Have a great day (drunk or sober )
Regards
JP

[Scorpio]

...the madam chase meh off the computer and she go lock it down for the rest of the week !

Thank God he wife ban him from de computer, too bad is only for 1 week..... :D

[vaio]

the security plan sounds like a big joke.. :roll:

[gaia]

And the rest of the year??? Yes Pappyshow when is carnival, football and now Xmas. Why not 365 daye each year?? Yes crime can be controlled as seen at certain times

[KFCSpicy]

If it involves capping a biatch, that's all good.


lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I kinda agree with SB but all i can say is give them a chance to start it and see if it go work, then work out the kinks and problems that arise out of these 70 days and then put a proper long term plan into place in which they learned from mistakes made during the 70 days.

baby steps first SB then major ones...not even Rome was built in a day and even God took 6 days and rested on the 7th.

just chill :roll:

[kemist]

i doh understand what they mean by defense force volunteers :?

[snowbird]

And the rest of the year??? Yes Pappyshow when is carnival, football and now Xmas. Why not 365 daye each year?? Yes crime can be controlled as seen at certain times

That's exactly the point I was trying to make; until the crime situation is under control my feeling is that the Minister and the PM should make it a 365 day (or perhaps a two year, three year, however long it takes) effort; anyway, as all agree, this is a topic for another time, so for now.........


MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL FORUMITES

[Scorpio]

i doh understand what they mean by defense force volunteers :?


Yeah I was wondering about that too. :?

[dancerboy]

THIS IS NOTHING NEW. This has been done for the past three years. Last year carnival the police was out in full FORCE, and some army pesonnel. They suprised revellers who arrived at citygate, by searching them. SEVERAL WEAPONS WERE CONFISCATED AND CHARGES FILED. This year they stopped all vehicles at the FLYOVER, and search the occupants. NO WEAPONS WERE FOUND THIS TIME AROUND. DANCERBOY

[JPersad]

The government of the day is not serious about fighting crime.
I wonder why ?

[deathwinger]

The government of the day is not serious about fighting crime.
I wonder why ?

Because I'm not sure if people are allowed to vote in jail. :lol:

[Sirius]

Strange. While much remains to be done, one would expect more foot patrols to be a welcome measure since one major complaint people always have is lack of law enforcement presence. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Give credit where credit is due nah. I for one have witnessed a marked increase in police visibility and activity. If they want to bring out the defense force as well for the season then great; we need the additional manpower.

Why not criticize where needs criticism - for instance how police need more equipment than just new cars to do their job.

[Huma]

Strange.

I see yuh doh visit this board very often...

[snowbird]

........ Why not criticize where needs criticism - for instance how police need more equipment than just new cars to do their job.......


Because the topic at hand is the 70 Day Security Plan not the ongoing need of the Police Department (that too is a topic we can start).

Why do I think the 'plan' is asinine?
Well for one, the crime problem has been building for years; shouldn't the government be prepared to spend as many years going head to head with the criminals in order to stem the tide.

Also, does it make sense to announce to criminals the period that law enforcement will be ramped up to go after them? What do you think is going to happen? If I were a 'self respecting criminal' I would simply lay low until this 'security period' is over, then it's back to business as usual.
My opinion is that all this plan will do is force criminals to take a hiatus; until a new permanent policy is put in place (and yes that does include retro-fitting the police department both with equipment and manpower) the 70 day plan won't change things permanently.

[Huma]

Because the topic at hand is the 70 Day Security Plan not the ongoing need of the Police Department (that too is a topic we can start).

Ironic, then, that you're going off on a tangent on another topic as well.

The government's announced a short-term crime plan. You're complaining about the lack of a long-term crime plan.

And in the process you're totally disregarding the potential benefits of the 70-day plan, and dismissing any effort at all by the Police in a generally unreasonable btchfest.

And we're somehow supposed to build a reasonable discussion around that.

[snowbird]

Because the topic at hand is the 70 Day Security Plan not the ongoing need of the Police Department (that too is a topic we can start).

Ironic, then, that you're going off on a tangent on another topic as well.

The government's announced a short-term crime plan. You're complaining about the lack of a long-term crime plan.

And in the process you're totally disregarding the potential benefits of the 70-day plan, and dismissing any effort at all by the Police in a generally unreasonable btchfest.

And we're somehow supposed to build a reasonable discussion around that.

The way I see it Huma, you can either take the discussion to a higher level by sharing some insightful information, or you can do like the many who have simply read my contribution (the unreasonable btchfest as you put it) and moved on; I have shared my opinion and tried to do it in a dignified and respectful way, you obviously don't agree with it which is the way debates go; I'm not here to cretique the contributions of others, I'm simply here to share opinions with anyone who wishes to do the same.

[KFCSpicy]

SB with all due respect their is no self respecting criminal hun. Also money making never takes a hiatus that is basically why we have crime...Money for material possessions. If the police cud not solve and arrest and prosecute crime/criminals before yuh think the hiatus of a criminial go make a diff? Come on now. :o

[snowbird]

SB with all due respect their is no self respecting criminal hun. Also money making never takes a hiatus that is basically why we have crime...Money for material possessions. If the police cud not solve and arrest and prosecute crime/criminals before yuh think the hiatus of a criminial go make a diff? Come on now. :o

The 'Self respecting criminal' was purely tongue in cheek :) .
But don't you think that by announcing a specific time period for this 'test' that they will simply force the criminal underground for a while. To me, it's like announcing where the cops are going to be 'timing' on the road, the speeding drivers will simply slow down as they approach that stretch, once they pass them, they're off again...... NO?

[KFCSpicy]

it eh go make a diff they not that intelligent SB, if they were they would not be killing willy nilly. Crime is a business money making venture...even the mafioso realised that and chilled out with their mayhem. is jess ah settah uneducated overly aggressive lil boys running around solving problems with murder. nothing special so doh attribute specialness or intellect to any of them.

the real intelligent ones is de Ish Galbaransigh and he cronies. Dem do it make a billion dollars and move on, if they was innocent they wudna be trying not to get extradited.

reason why crime so bad? IMHO stupidity on the part of both criminal and politicians, laziness and lack of proper funding where it is needed, lack of relevant training where it is needed within the police sector, ministers who doh give a damn once is not them and least of all the people of trinidad and tobago (not all of them) but with their attitudes towards a lot of things.

[snowbird]

^^^

Exactly, that's why I say the 70 day plan is a joke; you and I both know that the true crime problem in T&T has less to do with those 'aggressive unducated little boys' killing off each other, and everything to do with the 'organized crime' who have woven themselves into the very fabric of T&T society.
This 70 day plan is nothing more than window dressing, giving the 'thugs' a sense that they are being watched (so they will ease up a bit), and giving the population a false sense of security that something is being done so that they feel free to go about their lives a little safter than before; but once that 70 period is over, everything just reverts back to the way it was; what Trinidad needs is to launch an unlimited allout attack on crime, declare war on the thugs, as well as the Mr. Bigs, on the common criminal as well as the sophisticated organizer, put them all under notice that the plan is to shut them down; that is when you bring in your army, you police, even foreign help if you have to, and you stick to it for as many years as it will take to clean things up.

[Harry Williamn]

Eat your words and your slops and then crawl off like an old roti in a corner and yap,yap,like a mangy dog because this was the best Christmas ever and New Years was great as we celbrate today at Salybia Resorts and doh call and ask for me because I have sense and book in My son-in-law's name...all yuh crime yap and crime yap and murder rate we still had a wondeful Christmas and a happy New Year and Carnival coming and the Tents go be open and is fete in the place fer so while all yuh beating all yuh gums and we partying fer so....all yuh go to have to get up early,catch a ride of the subway where all yuh ( man woman and child in jeans ....men jeans falling off they behind and showing all yuh they birefs and the women in grease tight jeans old and young ) in pants and go to wok in the cold and then is back home in the cold and shopping in dem nasty arab and korean grocery stores with they expired goods then into all yuh little dingy and stngy apartment with ten locks on the door and peep holes ...it too cold to bathe no hot water again....well the bottle ah rubbing alcohol is yuh bath then run to the computer after yuh lock up your apartment like a jail and thank yuh lucky stars yuh have ttonline.org ...what will yuh life will have been without the lifeline to TNT ?

Now yuh become somebody.Now yuh could pontificate and spew out yuh anger at the states,canada and britain disgusied as attacks on TNT ....yuh fascinated by we and I know and you know yuh sorry yuh deserted these shores if only yuh did know ...but ah,poor tings is only hardship and lack of money making yuh stay away but come home we go help yuh out if yuh shut yuh mouth.,....crime ?
After dat party at Hilton last night...wey de crime ???? Must be by all yuh!
Ah have to go....pack up meh laptop...the wife calling but she tinks is wok...see yuh all when ah done at Salybia Resort we heading up they now..crime ? Wey dem ???? criminals ??? Wey dem ??? Must be by all yuh because me eh see dem yet and if they come now dey have to sit down and take a drink before dey say godbye and go rob all yuh so!

[Scorpio]

^^ Nasty way to start a New Year.....

MODS !!!!!

[Harry Williamn]

wey yuh bawling for ??? You say TNT bad. I live here and I say all yuh talking doltishness and TNT is a great place to live and raise yuh family and so says thousands of people who come here from overseas to live,work and have a great time...so you all must be crazy or high on bat doo,doo, and yuh calling the mods ????

The mods live here and some of them must have been at Hilton and even seen me and my family ,friends and busines partners and some of my employees or some of them may have been in Tobago or partyinging down Chagville and they must have seen the TNT republicans having a blast while all yuh only running all yuh mouth and bad mouthing TNT and when all yuh get lash with the facts yuh bawling about " what a way to start the year ?"

Why yuh did not think so when yuh was writing all de crap about TNT ?

Why yuh did not call up the Police stations around the country ( if yuh broke and cannot afford it then yuh should be down here woking for good money if yuh went to school and learn yuh abc and yuh sums ) and ask them about crime...they are the ones on the front line and when all yuh who sitting in yuh ivory tower and lambasting every effort the Government make to fight crime and kill off the beast these are the foot slodiers in the trenches with their boots on the ground and someone have to speak the truth for them and I shall as long as I am allowed to and able to do so.

So stop crying and come up with something positive to move TNT forward in 2008 towards a more excellent place or shut up!

There is nothing personal in what I have said to you... simply business .... the business of moving my country forward regardless of your opinion.

I still do respect you as a human being despite your misguided efforts I still wish you a positive TNT experience ( I get that every day ) for 2008.

[Huma]

run to the computer after yuh lock up your apartment like a jail and thank yuh lucky stars yuh have ttonline.org ...what will yuh life will have been without the lifeline to TNT ?

Now yuh become somebody.Now yuh could pontificate and spew out yuh anger at the states,canada and britain disgusied as attacks on TNT ....yuh fascinated by we and I know and you know yuh sorry yuh deserted these shores if only yuh did know

I must say this made me laugh.

It's what I always say: Plenty of this exaggerated whining is just expats tryin to validate their decision to leave.

If I ever got disgusted enough with Trinidad to migrate, I wouldn't turn back. And validation would come in the form of happily and aggressively exploiting all the foreign opportunities I left to pursue in the first place. There are just too many cool things to do in the States, Canada and the UK to spend hours a day on a TT Forum baying at the moon.

Is like leavin yuh bum of a ex-spouse for a hot, wealthy catch, but spending one setta yuh time gossiping with yuh friends about yuh ex's decline.

Pathetic, really.

[Falcon]

The biggest joke of all time is IF WE ALL KNEW who was expat and who wasnt. If we knew who was where, in spite of what they post.

The truth is astounding, and very funny!!! :lol: :lol:

Happy New Year guys, spread some love nuh! :lol:

[snowbird]

^^^

Yuh right yes boy, as long as yuh cud party, sea bathe and drink in safety, life good :roll: ; fer your sake, ah hope yuh cud do it 24/7 ...... 365, buh if not, wha yuh go do, jus take wha yuh cud get an say..... dis is paradise :roll:

[KFCSpicy]

Thus spoke all the haters on the forum. All ways have a bitter bob in every group, always dooms sayer always that one person who does pull down everyone else.

This thread went off topic as per usual...but hey eh nobody worried about that eh? Of course not. :roll:

Anyone with intellect cud say what was their experience of the patrols and all that over the holiday period? Did it improve your sense of well being?

[Harry Williamn]

HUMA... I really doubt it make yuh laugh at anyone but yuhself because you doh see the TNT Republicans on yuh website but you here and you here because this Forum have something you cannot get on all " your cool things to do etc " hence yuh here!

Hey it takes real courage to admit that a little country like TNT could have a FORUM which attracts and keeps more TNT people than all the so called " cool things to do in canada,the us and britain " or wherever because we are not there we are here because here is where the action is the connection to the great TNT which is way above whatever mall shootings will occur while yuh stuffing yuh face with pizza and coke and then coke when you could sit down here in TNT and eat Pizza if yuh want and eat a roti if yuh want and drink some ginger beer and sorrel...yuh see even the yankee pizza people and KFC chicken people figured it is smart to be down here and they are all loving it so we know who yuh laughing at as the cold biting yuh tail!

[Scorpio]

Meanwhile 8 people were in Killed in the wonderful peaceful, pardadise of Trinidad between old years night and New years..... :shock:

[Huma]

HUMA... I really doubt it make yuh laugh at anyone but yuhself because you doh see the TNT Republicans on yuh website but you here and you here because this Forum have something you cannot get on all " your cool things to do etc " hence yuh here!

Hey it takes real courage to admit that a little country like TNT could have a FORUM which attracts and keeps more TNT people than all the so called " cool things to do in canada,the us and britain " or wherever because we are not there we are here because here is where the action is the connection to the great TNT which is way above whatever mall shootings will occur while yuh stuffing yuh face with pizza and coke and then coke when you could sit down here in TNT and eat Pizza if yuh want and eat a roti if yuh want and drink some giner beer and sorrel...yuh see even the yankee pizza people and KFC chicken people figured it is smart to be down here and they are all loving it so we know who yuh laughing at as the cold biting yuh tail!

...

I not going to waste the effort.

[sapodila]

:roll: (Sap mutters@#$%^& ...like mr. roller decks eh see de headlines yet...musbe too grogged)stewpps!

[snowbird]

Meanwhile 8 people were in Killed in the wonderful peaceful, pardadise of Trinidad between old years night and New years..... :shock:

So what happened to the 70 Day Plan? How come this type of thing still going on :roll: :roll: ;
oh wait, some forumites safe as a result of the plan, they could shop, and sea bathe, and go partying, so ah guess the plan working :roll: :roll:

[Scorpio]

Hey it takes real courage to admit that a little country like TNT could have a FORUM which attracts and keeps more TNT people than all the so called " cool things to do in canada,the us and britain " !

Hey, it takes real courage to admit that a little country like TNT is rotten with crime and it has become and unsafe and unsavory place to live....

The Trinidad travel advisories issued by the US and Britian are spot on; one has to be blind, stupid and deranged to take basket from the PNM government and believe that crime down....

[Harry Williamn]

How many people were killed in The USA State by State today ?
In Dallas a Man shot and killed his (17 and 18 year old daughters ) and left them in his Taxi in the parking Lot of a high faultin Hotel
Quote
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019416.php

Murders in Dallas are up by 20 percent
http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/ju ... 0-percent/ (http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/jun/09/murders-dallas-are-20-percent/)

Murder in Florida
New murder charges filed against man accused of burning women
The Associated Press
January 2, 2008
Lake Wales - Charges against a man accused of setting two women on fire during a robbery have been upgraded to include two new counts of first-degree murder, police said.

Leon Davis Jr. was charged Monday with murder in the deaths of Yvonne Bustamante and an infant delivered prematurely after the Dec. 13 attack.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/ ... 6859.story (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-flffiresbjan02,0,2506859.story)


Murder in New York:
New Year's Day killings By Joe Torres NEW YORK -- It was a deadly night in two of New York City's boroughs. A man was shot and killed overnight in Brooklyn, the first homicide victim of the year
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=5864749 (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=5864749)

Murder in Boston
2 Dead, 1 Injured After Apparent Murder-Suicide
Incident Under Investigation

BOSTON -- Two people are dead in Everett after an apparent murder-suicide, according to Middlesex District Attorney Gerard T. Leone Jr.'s office.

Police responded to 21 Russell St. at 12:30 a.m. Thursday and found a woman and a man dead of gunshot wounds, and a second man seriously injured, officials said.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/14 ... etail.html (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/14897178/detail.html)

Unsolved Murders in Boston
http://www.wbur.org/news/2007/66418_20070419.asp

Murder in Canada :
Slain activist's grandson charged with murder
http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Canada/ ... 6-sun.html (http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Canada/2008/01/01/4747616-sun.html)

Murders, suspicious deaths mark first days of 2008
Bal Brach, CanWest News Service
Published: yesterday 8:47 pm
It has been a violent start to the new year in many Canadian cities.

The killing of a teenage girl and a pregnant woman are two of the homicides police are investigating just a few days into 2008.

In Toronto, a 14-year-old girl was stabbed to death on New Year's Day. A 17-year-old boy and 15-year-old girl have been charged with her death.
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/n ... 8b&k=55986 (http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1e40b8b9-6d0e-4284-a1ba-9c04c3a00e8b&k=55986)

Murder in London
Walworth murder investigatedPolice have appealed for witnesses after the murder of a 20-year-old man in Walworth, south London, on Friday.

The man's body was discovered shortly after 18:00 GMT on Friday evening in a communal garden next to Chartridge House on the Aylesbury estate.

A post-mortem later established he had died from a gunshot wound to the head, prompting a murder investigation which so far has involved forensic examination of the crime scene and the opening of an incident room by the Metropolitan police
http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/news/walwor ... 08569.html (http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/news/walworth-murder-investigated-18408569.html)

Murder in Los Angeles
January 2, 2008
Update on LA's First Murder of 2008

Yesterday, there were not many details about a "freshly-shot" body found at the Glendale-based Forest Lawn cemetery (as opposed to the Griffith Park location). As more details came out, we learn the shooting was likely gang related and that the murder happened within the city limits of Los Angeles, not Glendale.

Jason Grey, 29, was visiting the cemetery for unknown reasons when he was shot multiple times in the upper and lower body around 12:40 p.m. yesterday. The LA Times reports a suspect was seen leaving the scene of the crime.

The 300-acre cemetery, at 1712 S. Glendale Ave., is a popular tourist destination because many celebrities are buried there (Hello, Walt Disney and Humphrey Bogart). It lays on the Glendale-Los Angeles border, the homicide taking place on the LA side. LAPD's Northeast Division (Atwater, Los Feliz, Eagle Rock, Mt. Washington, Highland Park, among others) will be handling the investigation.

Need I go state by state county by county ? Please,spare me these sicko murders are too ghastly and senseless!

So when you pointing your biased finger in anger at TNT try looking into your own expatriate backyard!

[Harry Williamn]

If you lived here you will have seen thousands of people shopping,feteing,going to Church,sea bathing,visiting their families,ringing in the New Year and going about their daily lives and of course " earning an honest and cool salary and getting great rates of return on their Clico and other investments!

So sit you down( on your frozen bottom )in your frozen place and buddle up with your " Thrift Shop " and " Goodwill clothing " ( you know we in TNT doh like to wear other people's clothing except we direct family ) and beat yuh chest and say," I in the States, Yes...we have snow !"

Then look around you and look properly and listen intently and you will see and hear not a single one ah we who living here in TNT looking at you or listening to you and we do not give a rat's rear end about yuh ex patriate country but ,as TNT Republicans,we are truly sorry for you and we do care about you so why don't come on down to TNT and experience for yourself and then you could run yuh mouth on the Forum and say," I see,I know,and I go tell!"...until then know in your heart that yuh eh know ah ting about we in TNT then be large and humble enough to admit it" THIS TNT FORUM real tweet,tweet,tweet!

[snowbird]

.......Need I go state by state county by county ? Please,spare me these sicko murders are to ghastly and senseless!

So when you pointing your biased finger in anger at TNT try looking into your own expatriate backyard!..........

Harry, I can't speak for other expats, but I can certainly tell you that in my case even though murders are taking place in Canada, I have some sense of securtity in the fact that for the most part, per capita, it is no where near the volume that it is in T&T; also, when we do have heinous crime, the detection and prosecution rate is quite high.

The other thing I will say is that at no time have I ever seen 'murder at an all time high' yet the government and the police continually tell the residents that crime is 'not that bad', or 'crime is at an acceptable level', or 'there is nothing we can do about it', or that 'they have it under control so go about your daily business'.
What I do see is that when there is a crime spree (gang related in certain parts of major cities), the police, community leaders (real leaders not gangsters :) ) and the politicians get together to work on the problem. Yes, crime is probably a reality of life, however there is some satisfaction in knowing that our leaders are always tackling it and this work is ongoing; not simply implementing 70 day plans for the benefit of visitors.

[KFCSpicy]

SB I doh know why u need to justify where you live to a simpleton. Trinidad and Tobago's combined population is still smaller than any state or city in America and yet we have 385 murders? No accountability from the government or head of police...and the citizens talking up in dey arse about hang them high and beat them wid lead filled pipes or the other set have their heads so far up their own arses that they disregarding crime is even a major problem for such a small country.

For all the people that quick to bad mouth foreign countries I hope all yuh get hobbies this new year or just simply go review yuh facts better.

I honestly don't know about the rest of the world and quite frankly nor do I care. I live in the UK and I was born and bred in Trinidad with family and friends still residing there so those are my concerns.

http://www.london.gov.uk/londoner/07jun ... p?nav=news (http://www.london.gov.uk/londoner/07june/p6a.jsp?nav=news)

This article and efficient breakdown of the crime and the increase and decrease of said crimes in London is why I could feel safer living here. The police eh perfect here either but they dedicatated to doing their jobs no matter what and they not even allowed guns like Trini policemen. So go figure why police in Trinidad still getting beat up and cant solve crimes in a country that we all say everybody know everybody's business. I realise is we are our own enemies, we don't want to report crimes or the people, the government lying about the state of the country even tho a blind man can see it for what it is and fools on forums think they are sounding intelligent by quoting individual crimes of a nation whose population is a hundred percent bigger than ours.

I promise myself that this year on this "forum" I eh lowering myself to answer and respond to no lunatic or hater but this one needed to be given a shot of common sense in it's vein of b.s. being bandied about.

[guyguy]

KFCSpicy,
Why even bother? Have you noticed that peanut gave me a nudge and I listened to her? Do you see me wasting valuable time responding to the more idiotic posts? I much prefer to spend that time liming with you and a few others that are really important to me.

So, if you don't mind, I shall now head down to the Thrift Store and to Goodwill where I can hit the Target by rummaging for some used clothing in order to keep my arse from freezing here in the cold. Who knows? Maybe I might just get lucky and find En electric blue suit (Tailored especially for me and me only ...not " off the nail!") with black lapels, black shirt, and a Gold Presidential Rolex, white Gold with a solitary diamond tie tack and matching cuff links and REMY MARTIN BRANDY constantly in play. :D :D :D
Guy

[dancerboy]

AMEN GUY. THERE IS NO FOOL LIKE AN OLD FOOL. DANCERBOY

[KFCSpicy]

My apologies to one and all. I eh know why I decided to post nah. But it eh go happen unless is all yuh ah responding too from now on. That is a promise.

So all yuh does buy in thrift shop? I does just teef what I cud off de backs of the pensioners that walk by my flat here in London. It easier. Ah think ah know what Costco is but I cud only afford my local Somerfield and Sainsbury's and if ah get ah vaps ah go shop in Tesco but ah know how sad that is cause I really should be envying trinis who does buy dey food from HiLo and Tru Value and dat other overly expensive one in Grand Bazaar.

My life here is crap compared to home eh...here ah have affordable housing, transportation that by these locals standards is substandard (little do they know how lucky they are) and my health care free and I guaranteed not to die "on the way to the hospital" which is a line they should put in the tourist board slogan advertising Trinidad.

Yes I realll catching my nen nen here in a country where my salary is about 400% more than I would have gotten back home and I get benefits galore for working. I should be on the people frown thread saying this eh cause I realllllll bad lucky living here. :D

[guyguy]

So you orn Welfare too, like me? Jess doh mess wit meh cyardboard box ah does sleep een at nite, meh haff empty bottle ah Charlie's Red Wine dat ah fine in de Thrift Shop trash can, o' meh gazatte papers ah does use tuh cover op wit eh. :D :D :D

[Satya]

:lol:

[Harry Williamn]

So ,snowbird,you are in Canada which means you are afflicted with,"CANAFOOLY" which is a particularly malignant disease which afflcits
ex patriates.

The disease: It is caused by the extreme cold plus a certain psychological conditioning of the frontal lobes from the dichotomy of the peritoneal lining which affects the direct assimilation of hydrogen into the septum and ...well it is a long story snowbird but nevertheless one of the symptoms is this," you find yourself drawn to TNT so badly " yet you seem to think that if you "transfer the Canadian System " into TNT somehow you will be happy etc...but reality ,my friend,says that in TNT the vast majority of people," like it so" and by that I mean we like the way our country is going and we have confidence that we shall prevail in our struggle against the wrong things which afflcit our country.

Actually snowbird,do not panic because we do have a cure for your " Canafooly" ...just come on down here right now .../////

( if you can afford to and get time off from your labours for the Canadian people ...if you cannot afford a ticket the TNT Government will afford you one ) and relax at the Trinidad Hilton ... it is kind of pricey yuh know so you could get soemthing less costly ...((( come before the carnival crowd because you will not find any room because over 99% of the Hotels and Guest houses are sold out already for carnival in this as you say" dangerous place "...I wonder why ?'''''))) ...)

.../////and soak up some sunshine and drink some vat and coconut water or better still some " babash" and you will be cured in (14) days...I promise you.....

meanwhile back in Canada explain to me what kind of beast and sickos does things like this just for the sake of killing ...not even a robbery just plain heinous and vicious killing for the sake of killing...not even a grievance murder but simply just to " murder" for the sake of " murder" ?????
See post below>>>>

[Harry Williamn]

MASS MURDERS CANADIAN STYLE:
QUOTE:
Biker Gangs
Ontario mass murder
A timeline
Last Updated June 21, 2007
CBC News
The bodies of eight men were found April 8, 2006, in a farmer's field near the small town of Shedden, Ont., about 30 kilometres southwest of London, in what police are calling one of Canada's worst mass murders.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/biker ... eline.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/bikergangs/ont-massmurder-timeline.html)
UNQUOTE

WELCOME TO CANADA AND CANADIAN GANGS RICH AND MURDEROUS AND POWERFULL....

B.C.'s Hells Angels: RICH AND POWERFUL I Canada is a haven for the outlaw motorcycle gang, with more members per capita than any other country.
B.C's Angels have mounted an effective public-relations campaign that portrays them as harmless motorcycle enthusiasts, but they maintain a fearsome reputation in the criminal underworld.
Lori Culbert and Neal Hall, Judith Lavoie, Vancouver Sun
Published: Friday, June 10, 2005
The rich and powerful Hells Angels motorcycle club in B.C. -- whose members largely eluded criminal charges and flew below society's radar screen for two decades -- are now expanding across the province, bolstering their multi-million-dollar business network and cementing their territorial stake on organized crime.

The expansion is partly because they are protecting their turf from the Bandidos. A rival U.S. outlaw motorcycle gang with deep roots in neighbouring Washington state, the Bandidos have moved into Alberta and are threatening to set up shop in B.C.

Last January a Bandidos member was fatally shot outside a strip club in Edmonton, where the Texas-based motorcycle gang has established a probationary chapter.

But the Hells Angels expansion is also a savvy business move by a successful and powerful organization with a legendary reputation that is growing internationally.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/spec ... 8eb22a2983 (http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/specials/websterawards/story.html?id=a42e5b7a-f7a9-42f2-b5fc-b48eb22a2983)
UBQUOTE

CAN ANY CRIMINAL IN TNT EVER EQUAL THIS HORRIFIC CANADIAN SON OF SATAN ?

QUOTE:
NEW WESTMINSTER, British Columbia (AP) — A Canadian pig farmer whom prosecutors said confessed to killing 49 women told police in a videotaped interview shown to jurors Tuesday that the allegations against him were "hogwash," yet concedes he's "a bad dude."
Robert Pickton, 56, is charged with killing 26 women, mostly prostitutes and drug addicts who vanished from a drug-ridden Vancouver neighborhood in the 1990s. He has pleaded not guilty to the first six counts. A separate trial will be held for the other 20 murder charges.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... rder_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-01-23-canada-murder_x.htm)

MASS MUDER IN CANADA
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_m ... index.html (http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/marc_lepine/index.html)
University of Toronto students grieve one day after Marc Lepine murdered 14 women at a Montreal university. The students cry and are still shocked by the massacre. Today police release a list of victims. In this CBC Radio clip, an officer methodically reads the names and ages of the 13 female students and one school employee killed by Lepine last night. Twelve of the students studied engineering and the other took nursing.
UNQUOTE

THE CANADIANS CALLED 2007 THIS QUOTE:
Canada 2007 "Year of the Assassins"
http://www.nowpublic.com/crime/canada-2 ... -assassins (http://www.nowpublic.com/crime/canada-2007-year-assassins)

So snowbird in your " afflcited with CANAFOOLY STATE " my friend you cannot rightly divine the facts about your " beloved Canada " because the idiotic TNT Criminals have come nowhere near the horrific crimes in your beloved Canada.

May I say this though ( canafooly does counfoffle your mind snowbird) be it a Candaian victim of murder ,or a TNT Republican victim of murder, it is MURDER...these poor souls have had their lives cut short by vicious and horrible brute beasts masquerading as human beings and no amount of yapping and blame laying and name calling and crime solving can ever mean anything to these victims and their loved ones.

The only solution be it in Canada,the USA or Britain or TNT ,is to prvent the murders from happening .

None of you can say with a certainty or with a modicum of honestly that the Canadian,US,British and TNT governments are not doing their darndest to stop murder from occruring ; not one of you can ever serious and honsetly claim that any Government of TNT ,today or yesterday, would do anything to encourage the murder of one citizen by another.

When you sit down and think and act upon your inclinations to paint TNT with a " murder brush " please,first look in your back yard.... because the Canadian,British or US, murderer may well be your next visitor and remember, like or not ,"EVERY MURDERER LIVES SOMEWHERE "

WHO IS YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOUR TONIGHT ?

WHO IS LIVING THE NEXT APARTMENT AND THE NEXT STREET OVER OR THE NEXT BLOCK OVER FROM YOU ?

Oh,by the way,THE TARGET REMAINS !

[Harry Williamn]

You could always know a true TNT republican regardless of where they are because they usually tend to quote,most of the time,a TNT writer or thinker from VS Nailpaul to Dr.Eric E Williams ect.....

You can always know folks who are afflicted by "AMERICANITIS,CANAFOOLY,ENGLADNITIS and EUREPITIS" A KIND OF MALIGNANT INFLAMATION OF THE BRIAN WHICH ATTACKS THE " COMMON SENSE " AND SENDS THE VICTIM IN A SORT OF " DELUSION" AS TO WHO THEY REALLY ARE!....

One of the symptoms is : They tend to quote Americans and Foreigners ....me...
I like to quote here from the words of the great :Dr.Eric Eustace Williams,who in answer to a certain rival politican said these simple words which shut the fool down ( he was a fool to come up against Eric with foolishness ) ...Dr.Williams said ,( quote)." LET THE JACKASS BRAY!"
Unquote:
So say I...." Let the jackass bray!"

[Harry Williamn]

In response to some of you who live in your " London Flat" and get your 400% more than you could get here in TNt I quite franhkly do not even believe what you say because by cost of living comparision and cost of gasoline comparison and cost of heating etc ...in simple economic terms even the most expensive sweet drink round the savannah cost $ 0.16cents US for the same exact can of Coco -Cola ( which I do not drink ) and per capita a University Graduate make way more here than there and with all yuh claim to make you could not afford a Town House in Tobago and many parts of TNT ...these houses are selling so fast you have to get in line ....

You all think you could fool anyone in TNT about living here?

At you all pesky salaries you definitely cannot live here so CRIME is your sexcuse to your English and American and Canadian neighbours who want to know ," Why do you all live in this ghastly place whenthe Islands are so beautiful ?"

Tell the truth now ...these prices are the reasons why...look at them:

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Can you ever afford to live in and buy such homes here in TNT ?
So doh play big shot from overseas for me because you eh got nothing we want pardner we have it all in TNT...jobs ? Please,we hiring Chineese labourers and mexican labourers here .....

I could list the exact location here but I am not advertising for the reality companies but google it yourself and look at price then run yuh mouth bout your cheap flat.

Rent ? What in the world is dat!

That is for young people now starting out in life and for man who have a deputy and need a " slaughter house"....yes I can afford to wear electric Blue Suits etc like so many TNT Republicans....

Lexuses,Mercedes,Bentlys,Rolls,...you name it and TNt Republicans are driving it and we pay double the Foreign price in Taxes because we have " plenty dough and we spreading joy fer soh!"....so ,ex pats with the " Tar brush painting TNT Bad" rock so and worry bout yuh own foreign land and let we who votes here and live here and all dat worry bout here and if yuh doing so great and here so bad as yuh saying and yuh have family here why yuh eh bring dem up dey with yuh ???

Or is it ...dey know yuh ketching yuh nen,nen,up dey and they eh ever want to go up dey!?????

[snowbird]

Hey Harry, all I go say bout dem biker Gangs in Kanada is...... if yuh is one ah dem, yuh better be prepared tuh play by dey rules (just lik dem boys in Lavantee :lol: )

As tuh de CANAFOOLY, wat yuh describe dey eh dat; if is de 'frontol lobes' affected, (dat doz control short term memory) dat is 'dementia' or alzymhers, or even amnesia; and from de looks ah tings in T&T I would say most ah dem sufferin wid some 'frontol lobe' disease, dey tink dey still back in de 50's wen ting wuz nice; dey doz hear one day dat 7 or eight people geh kill, dey doz ring de han, hole de head an bawl, buh de nex day dey doz say...... Tings sweet, dis is paradise, why alluyh expats runnin allyuh mouth.

By de way, check dis out... FINALLY MARTIN FESS UP, TINGS OUTA CONTROL (lik he is de onlee one eh hav de disease :lol:
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source Trinidad Guardian Friday 4th, January 2008

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news9.html

“Clearly some of the measures which were implemented did not work. Government is currently conducting an extensive review of all measures put in place.”

—National Security Minister Martin Joseph, speaking at a news conference yesterday.

What Joseph said:

Crime-fighting measures failed
Government reviewing options
Homicides gang-related
By Rhonda Krystal Rambally

National Security Minister Martin Joseph says anti-crime initiatives which were implemented failed to work.

As a result, the Government was now conducting an extensive review of those measures, he said.

Joseph was speaking at a news conference—which lasted no more than seven minutes—at the Ministry of National Security, Abercromby Street, Temple Court Building, Port-of-Spain, yesterday.

“Clearly, some of the measures which were implemented did not work...Government is currently conducting an extensive review of all measures put in place,” he said.

He said the Homicide Prevention Working Group, the Homicide Bureau of Investigations, the Repeat Offenders’ Programme, and the Inter-Agency Task Force were established to deal specifically with gang-related crime.

But they “clearly did not work and as a result those measures are being reviewed,” Joseph added.

Commenting about the murder toll for 2007— seven up to late yesterday—Joseph said the Government had projected a ten per cent reduction in homicides, but “that was not the case.”

Joseph said according to statistics provided by the police, the number of murders reported for 2007 was 388— a five per cent increase over 2006— which he said was 371.

“The bulk of homicides was gang-related,” he said.

It was the highest number of murders recorded to date, Joseph added.

Crime debate at first Parliament sitting

Joseph said after spending “a substantial amount of time” on the matter, it was the Government’s intention to pilot a motion at the first sitting of Parliament on Monday, to debate the issue of crime fully and comprehensively.

He said the issue was of tremendous concern to everyone in T&T and as such, the Government intended to provide the Parliament, and by extension the public, with “a full understanding of all measures that were being put in place to address crime, the challenges we are facing and how we propose to treat with these challenges.”

Not in a position to answer

When asked if he had been privy to information stemming out of the discussions held by community leaders from the East-West-Corridor last year at Crowne Plaza, Joseph replied no.

When posed with two other questions relating to gang violence, he said: “Unfortunately, I am not in a position to respond some of these specific matters...I am not in a position.”

He did respond, however, to the question of people who were in receipt of the Government-funded contracts being involved in criminal activities.

“We hear that, but we do not have the evidence to show that persons who are in receipt of Government contracts are directly involved in some of the criminal activities, ” he said.

“What I can assure you is that come Monday, we will be in a position to indicate what the Government intends to do.

“We will review the measures that we have put in place and the extent of which those measures have not worked and the extent to which we can expect new initiatives.”

[gaia]

So say I...." Let the jackass bray!"Harry Williamn
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Wat is yu problem H.Williams? Like yu get bad treatment in a foreign country? Who says pple must remain in dey land of birth all dety life? if things were so good in TT, would pple leave? Some left as guest workers, some to study, marriage, etc,now to get away from the crime, why you blaming dem and calling dem cowards? Isnt that their rights as human beings? perhaps yu does recieve special treatment wen yu drinking yu rom at Salaybia, so yu could arrogantly boast about it and show contempt for the rest of the fearful and paranoid nation. Are these your criteria for a life of quality. Hilton, whiskey, grills, cars etc-There are pple who want more than that from life. They want to be able to send their children to school without fear, to walk the streets feeling secure, to know that they can rely on the health care system, the police, public transport and theres water in the taps 24/7. can you understand that? No need to pay private doctore exorbitant sums or go abroad for health treatment. School transport for their children, To know that the vulnerable groups in the society eg. poor, old, sick, vagrants etc are taken care of. We are all our brothers keepers, perhaps you live for just yourself and your family in some gated area strunting about and beating your chest like an ape and feeling superior to others. Yes, some pple buuy second hand clothes, freeze their butts and have very little money over for entertainment after taking care of their childrens needs. So what? Dont you think that most of them would like to come home and share their resources with the nation. What does the nation offer them? Crime, inefficiencies, disfunction and poverty of the mind. Are you aware of the thousands of poor familes in the nation living on handouts? In some cases clothes/shoes etc given to children are used by the parents because they dont have any themselves. Its mentalities like yours that keep the nation at the bottom of the barrel. You side with the thousands of heartless noveau riche we nor have in the nation strutting around in their emptiness. If you want to accomplish something, teach pple to help themselves, teach them empowerment. Take homeless children into you homea on week ends, show them love, teach them basic values. Not boast about the brand names you can afford to drink ant the places you can visit. You sound like someone who came from dire poverty of the mind and gained some experience/knowledge in a foreign country, returned home and is "biting the hand that fed him" Learn to be grateful for what you have learnt, the good as well as the bad.Its supposed to make a better person out of you.Try and get there? And thanks to all the second hand stores, shelters and soup kitchens around the world, all showing love and compassion for their fellow men!

[Harry Williamn]

gaia ( gender : unknown..age :unknown" Fear level" very high hence the hiding status.Place of abode:No fixed place.)

no gender GAIA :
Tell me where do you think this report came from and what country does it refer to ?
Quote:
"...The leading Caribbean producer of oil and gas, has earned a reputation as an excellent investment site for international businesses. :) :) :) Tourism is a growing sector, although it is not proportionately as important as in many other Caribbean islands. The economy benefits from a growing trade surplus. Economic growth in 2006 reached 12.6% as prices for oil, petrochemicals, and liquefied natural gas remained high, and foreign direct investment continued to grow to support expanded capacity in the energy sector. "

Unquote

I am acutely aware of Millions of poor families without any kind of health care protection in the United States and over 30,000 homeless children on the streets of Britain!
Thousands are homeless and hungry each night.
A Rape occurs every seven minutes and a murder every five minutes where there are more BLACK MEN IN JAIL THAN IN COLLEGE...
Where more black people are killed and framed up and jailed by the police than anywhere in the world....today a man was among one of the many released from jail after 27 years for a rape he did not commit ...PROJECT INNOCENCE? THAT IS HOW THEY SOLVE CRIME IN THE USA?
WHERE THE RUSSIAN,MEXICAN,ITALIAN,COLUMBIAN,CHINEESE,AND EVERY RACE HAVE THEIR VERY OWN MAFIA AND ORGANIZED CRIME...WHERE YOU COULD BUY ILLEGAL DRUGS ON PRACTICALLY EVERY CORNER OF THE MINORITY COMMUNITIES ? WHERE DRUG ADDCITS ABOUT LIKE FLIES AND THEY STEAL AND ROB AND KILL TO MAITAIN THEIR HABIT ?

Actually I have represented TNT ( never mind ) I have served hounarably as a soldier ( with a chest full of medals to prove my valour ) in a foreign country in which I shall be be welcomed far more than many expats if I chose to go there and I actually recieves a very handsome Pension for my service to that country...why will I hate foerigners ?
Do you think I am a nut case like some of you ?

You know nothing of me and I was educated from infants department to University in TNT and will have had it no other way.

The only education I have had in a Foreign country is military.

Thosuands of people live,work,play,send heir children to school and eat and drink and invest with confidence in TNT every day without fear and they are very,very,happy...the only unhappy people I seem to encounter is all yuh ex patriates who spend your ( not slaving for the paper time ) time combing through every little newspaper article to find a crime story in TNT to harp about to whoever have the time to listen to
you all...what ...have you nothing better to do or no life ?

My gosh..get a life! Come back to TNT and get a life!

[snowbird]

^^^

Like I always say Harry, there is a difference between being..... 'The best of the worse' and being 'The worse of the best', the latter being the more desired.

Why is it Harry that the T&T Republicans in a quest to justify that ........ things ent dat bad' will always choose to showcase some country or area of the world that is worse off than them. In the land of the blind the one eye man will always be king, but that still makes him half blind Harry, that still makes him half blind.

Anyway, we digress; how de 70 Day Security Plan goin Harry? :)

[Harry Williamn]

Why is it you do not come here and complain about the very same crimes in YOUR country but always yapping about how bad here is ?

If it is so bad why is it so many people fly into here from all over the world every day and why is it air fair from the US and canada is so high ?

Is this reverse economics ?

Demand is Low so prices are high ?

The last time I checked it was: High demand High prices!

[snowbird]

Why is it you do not come here and complain about the very same crimes in YOUR country but always yapping about how bad here is ?..... Cus tings nice in God's Country weh ah livin Harry, we blessed tuh not hav too much hoooooooligans runnin rong :)

If it is so bad why is it so many people fly into here from all over the world every day.... Fer de same reason people doz ride roller coasters and bungee jump, some peoole jus lik tuh live on de edge.... cheap thrill tuh play dodge wid dem criminals :)

and why is it air fair from the US and canada is so high ?..... cus de travel companies know "a fool and his money is soon parted" :)

Is this reverse economics ? .....six tuh one is ah good deal fer some people :)

Demand is Low so prices are high ?..... Oh ah forget, Trini have one ting money kar buy here right now SUN AND HEAT BOY, SUN AND HEAT :)

The last time I checked it was: High demand High prices! ^^^And the majority of us rich foreigns will pay anything for it :)

Buh comeon Harry, tell meh how de 70 Day Security Plan goin!!!

[Harry Williamn]

Your logic has flown beyond the rules of logic and landed right smack in the middle of a pool of folly!

Rich foreigners ? WHAT! Who yuh trying to impress? Not me! We know what money is because we have too much down here we glad to get rid of some of it....

Fool and his money soon part ?

Sun and heat ??? Go to Florida or Hawaii....or get a job in a coal plant....

It is amazing how you totally ignore all the Canadian mass murders!

Rest assured the holidays still on down here and we will not be actually working till Monday...we still on Party Time so why all yuh " rich foreigners ( whom we wish will stay wey all yuh is after all here is dangerous according to all yuh ) cyar stay over dey and leave we be?
Please,doh come down here as all yuh say...CRIME...CRIME....stay over dey!

[snowbird]

Harry, as soon as yuh tell meh de crime plan wukkin, ooops sorry ah mean de security plan, (I know de crime plan wukkin)......... ah on meh way back :)

rite now, daz de onleest ting stoppin meh. :)

[dancerboy]

HARRY WILLIAMN, PLEEZE DO SOME RESEARCH, AND SEE HOW MUCH MONEY WE KETCH ARSE 'EXPATS' DOES PUMP INTO THE TRINIDAD ECONOMY. DANCERBOY

[Harry Williamn]

Sorry dancerman...please,we do not need your pittance ...we are not Jamaica we are TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO the OIL Rich Giant of the Caribbean....wake up and smell the money dancerman and come home and we will hire you if you have the skills which you probably have and as for research ....can you all pump one BILLION dollars a year into our economy ?

I do not think so because we are in the BILLIONAIRES CLUB dancer YOU do some research. I do not need to do any research I am in the middle of it all and this country is SUPER rich and what we need to do is ;LIKE HUGO CHAVEZ SPRED THE WEALTH and that is the problem dancer the wealth is in too much of one set ah people hands! ( Is it Syrians,Whites,Indians,Chineese,Portugeese,Philipi nos ?) You do the research there but one thing is certain is this: IT IS NOT IN THE HANDS OF AFRICANS!

So keep yuh pocket change man because it is like going to a Casino in Vegas and playing the " Penny Slots" and then saying ," look how much time and money I spend in all yuh Casino !" Then the Casino Manager say," come with me ,Sir, " and he take you and show you the people sitting down playing the $100,$500,$1,000 dollar slot machines!

All yuh is " penny slots" Oil,Asphalt,Investment services,Educational Services and carnival is the "big money slots!"...keep yuh pocket change and come home man!

[jacques]

.... I am in the middle of it all and this country is SUPER rich and what we need to do is ;LIKE HUGO CHAVEZ SPRED THE WEALTH and that is the problem dancer the wealth is in too much of one set ah people hands! ( Is it Syrians,Whites,Indians,Chineese,Portugeese,Philipi nos ?) You do the research there but one thing is certain is this: IT IS NOT IN THE HANDS OF AFRICANS!

Can you explain to me how, after over 40 years of so called "African" government in this "super rich" country, this can be the case? Why are we ending up in a country where the few (and be sure the few includes quite a few so-called "Africans", but I don't see too many Philipinos there...) sip cocktails behind razor wire and 24hr armed response whilst the rest of us are happily killing each other out, arguing all the while whether the straight haired or curly haired are the most aggrieved or the most to blame?

[Harry Williamn]

You are quite wrong there about they " sipping cocktails behind razor wire" they sip cocktails quite freely and openly at Hilton,Tony Romas,Chagville,The coubtry Club,TGIF,on the beaches,Salybia,throughtour downtown sanfernando and Port of Spain and in the Mecca etc and of course the Malls and their huge homes and some Platial estates and all over Tobago.

It has not been " Forty years " of African Government because you seem to quietly exclude all the Indians and the few whites which were in the PNM Government and how extremely wealthy they became whereas you cannot really point to one single wealthy African who was a member of the PNM Government who is really wealthy and got their wealth via being a PNM Minister on the contrary you could point to several broke backside Africans who was in government!

Karl Hudson Phillips was ( not like Motilal Monan and then though) well off before he became Attorney general because of his successful law pratice ...is Chambers rich ? Hedgewedge Bereaux ? Arthur sanderson of NAR or ONR ? did Isabel Theshea died rich ...come on go on and on and on ! Hugh Francis ? Go on and on!

Why are the Africans not rich like so many Indians and Whites and Syrians and Chineese ?

Is it because they are thieves working Bobol ?

Or is it because they take their service to TNT seriously and not as an opportunity to get wealthy ?

The Africans as a race are the poorest in TNT and are least among land owners ...why ?

You tell me !

I am sure you can see why some Africans are afraid for the Indians to get power...they may well be thinking that they ( Indians ) do not have political power and look how much they have!
What if they get political power ?

They will take everything !

Now do not try to crucify me for having the courage to state what all of you all know and believe in your heart and do not try to determine if I am African or Indian because I have stated what many of you all think but dare not say for fear of what ?

Being called a racist and being called stupid and moronic ?

I suggest we all talk about it honestly because those fears are real and they are to some measurable extent the base of the Emperor's Power!

With the amount of money and property and real wealth which Indians have ...do they really need to have the reins of Government ?

They have the most lawyers,doctors,Businemen and women,land ownership and can eneter the PNM at will and use their money to get positons etc ...why bother ?

Guy,guy,Jpersad,Sam48,kemist,sugarnuts,sirius,go get it because you folks tend to be able to slice and dice a topic without the personal attacks when you feel like it.

PS: Check the Hilton or Salybia for the Phillipino Day celebration and your eye ball will pop at the amount of Phillipinos speaking in Taglo in TNT!

[snowbird]

HARRY WILLIAMN, PLEEZE DO SOME RESEARCH, AND SEE HOW MUCH MONEY WE KETCH ARSE 'EXPATS' DOES PUMP INTO THE TRINIDAD ECONOMY. DANCERBOY


What's more, tell him bout all dem billions dat de Baby Boomers controlling right now, and how it have even fus world countries concerned about dat much money moving around de globe freely, tell him bout all dem laws dey toying wid tuh try an stop we from spendin we money all over de world, tell him how dat money go outlive any oil revenue over de nex 25 years...... tell him nah tell him, he tink we put up wid de cole all dese years fer nuttin :lol:

[Harry Williamn]

My dear snowbird the amount of money all yuh spend in TNt is all semantics because TNT do not need you to spend a dime here and when you spend yuh money Africans( do not believe that they get any of it but for the musci disc yuh buy ?) doh get it because it goes to who ?

Check where yuh really spend yuh money ? Check who gets it snowbird!

The African believes the only money he will get is from the Government and what he gets is peanuts compared to what everyone else gets!

If TNT needed your money Canada and America and london will have taken it all awy rather thna let TNT get it!

[jacques]

You are quite wrong there about they " sipping cocktails behind razor wire" they sip cocktails quite freely and openly at Hilton,Tony Romas,Chagville,The coubtry Club,TGIF,on the beaches,Salybia,throughtour downtown sanfernando and Port of Spain and in the Mecca etc and of course the Malls and their huge homes and some Platial estates and all over Tobago.

It has not been " Forty years " of African Government because you seem to quietly exclude all the Indians and the few whites which were in the PNM Government and how extremely wealthy they became whereas you cannot really point to one single wealthy African who was a member of the PNM Government who is really wealthy and got their wealth via being a PNM Minister on the contrary you could point to several broke backside Africans who was in government!

Karl Hudson Phillips was ( not like Motilal Monan and then though) well off before he became Attorney general because of his successful law pratice ...is Chambers rich ? Hedgewedge Bereaux ? Arthur sanderson of NAR or ONR ? did Isabel Theshea died rich ...come on go on and on and on ! Hugh Francis ? Go on and on!

Why are the Africans not rich like so many Indians and Whites and Syrians and Chineese ?

Is it because they are thieves working Bobol ?

Or is it because they take their service to TNT seriously and not as an opportunity to get wealthy ?

The Africans as a race are the poorest in TNT and are least among land owners ...why ?

You tell me !

I am sure you can see why some Africans are afraid for the Indians to get power...they may well be thinking that they ( Indians ) do not have political power and look how much they have!
What if they get political power ?

They will take everything !

Now do not try to crucify me for having the courage to state what all of you all know and believe in your heart and do not try to determine if I am African or Indian because I have stated what many of you all think but dare not say for fear of what ?

Being called a racist and being called stupid and moronic ?

I suggest we all talk about it honestly because those fears are real and they are to some measurable extent the base of the Emperor's Power!

With the amount of money and property and real wealth which Indians have ...do they really need to have the reins of Government ?

They have the most lawyers,doctors,Businemen and women,land ownership and can eneter the PNM at will and use their money to get positons etc ...why bother ?

Guy,guy,Jpersad,Sam48,kemist,sugarnuts,sirius,go get it because you folks tend to be able to slice and dice a topic without the personal attacks when you feel like it.

PS: Check the Hilton or Salybia for the Phillipino Day celebration and your eye ball will pop at the amount of Phillipinos speaking in Taglo in TNT!


I understand your point of view, but my point is the following.

In spite of the presence of many dedicated individuals within the ranks of the PNM, who truly have the fate of the nation at heart, we have failed to uplift "the masses" and in particular "the African masses". In fact we have performed so poorly that 40 years down the line many "African" communities are self destructing, as evidenced by the runaway murder rate.

You are quite right that all the rich are not behind razor wire all the time yet, (although the truly rich are and only move with security when they need to leave their regular stomping grounds). This is because the terrible crime statistics only tell part of the story: as you have pointed out, large areas of Trinidad seem to be relatively safe, and not everyone is afraid of walking down the road: the crime is still mostly concentrated in certain areas. Therefore simply stating that the murder rate is right now about 60 times higher than in the UK is true, but misleading. We do not have constant violence in Westmoorings, Maraval, Gulf View or Bel Air, although the "spillover effect" is increasing. But if you were to look at the casualty rates within deprived and mostly African areas, we are talking numbers that indicate a state of war. There can be no argument that the 40 years since independence have severely failed the people there, yet it is with the vote from these areas that the PNM is returned to power time after time. Why? Well as you explain, there is a widespread belief that if "the Indians" get into power things will get even worse, ie the crumbs from the PNM government (URP, CEPEP, etc...) will stop, and given the treatment they get from an "African controlled" police, well just imagine what it would be like with an "Indian controlled" police. Since the only alternative to the PNM is "the Indians", well there is no alternative...

The money behind the UNC has traditionally been Indian (although Jack Warner financed most of the campaign this time round). But the big money behind the PNM is mostly white (local and foreign) and syrian (don't get me wrong, I am not saying that all whites and syrians finance the PNM, most do not, and whites on the whole are more involved in trying to help the disinfranchised than any other group, and are probably on the whole more true TnT Republicans as you call them, than any other group). The economic interest behind the PNM is therefore white/mostly legal and syrian/mostly illegal. This is why in this period of unprecedented growth, the few benefit and the many do not. It is the old "divide and rule" strategy - as long as the "Indian scarecrow" can be hauled out at each election, nothing changes. The African caretakers are allowed to spend a few pennies on themselves and their friends, but real change will never take place. Until the administration is willing to dislodge the true criminals, the crime situation will not improve... Panday and Ramesh are therefore the PNM financier's best friends - this is why they are always ultimately allowed to walk free...

We have this paradox which perplexes the outside observer: an administration which has consistently and demonstrably failed the majority of its citizens is returned to power again and again without the need for electoral fraud.

Because of the dynamics you rightly describe, the only hope is a "non-indian" opposition. The COP did relatively well considering it was still "mostly indian". The "Indians" (well the "educated Indians" - remember the "knife and fork" jokes?) have demonstrated that they were willing to leave the UNC in large numbers and vote for "non-Indians". The COP has also demonstrated that a new political formation could attract enough financial support to mount a decent campaign. But the COP was still too UNCish and too "Indian" for most "Africans". Panday understood this and promised the earth to the little "non-indian" parties so they would join the "Alliance" and not the COP.

Only political will will solve the crime situation. There is no political will to solve crime within the PNM or the UNC. The COP is extinct it seems. Time to start something new, having learnt the lessons from the past...

[KFCSpicy]

I am beginning to think that these amoral idiots aka criminals are just killing because it gets them media attention.

Maybe if we stop broadcasting on the front page every day the Good Lord send or on the night news they will cut down on the killing? Sigh who really knows what goes on in the mind of a egotistical, power hungry, thoughtless, cold hearted fool?

[trinisuckz]

Maybe if we actually started CATCHING, convicting and Hanging criminals it might slow down!? :idea:

[snowbird]

BINGO !!!

That's what is missing in Trinidad, swift and decisive detection, prosecution and carrying out of sentences.

As it stands right now, even though murders and kidnappings has quadrupled, Capital Punishment is no longer in effect. The last hanging you had was back in the day of Dole Chadee; since then you've been warehousing the scum of society; some of those criminals probably have more friends and relatives on the inside than the outside; they probably throw a 'Welcome Home' Party every time one of their own joins them in the lock up. :roll:

[trinisuckz]

Do you know that it costs US the TAxpayers, roughly $ 120,000.00 per annum per Criminal kept in a Jail in Trinidad, would you all not agree that we shoudl HANG all of them and use the money to better the country???
:D :D

[gaia]

THE WEALTH and that is the problem dancer the wealth is in too much of one set ah people hands! ( Is it Syrians,Whites,Indians,Chineese,Portugeese,Philipi nos ?) You do the research there but one thing is certain is this: IT IS NOT IN THE HANDS OF AFRICANS!
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One set ah pple harry boi? Yu name 6 sets here?
PS, Yu doh know if I is male or female. Ah disappointed oui! Ak tut yu edukated man!! As for fear, ah doh fear nottinh Harry. Your statement however is one of fear, pure fear. De Afro-trinis poor still because de doh teef: In case yu eh no. Moonan family is a rich family from way back. Cinemas, constructuin etc. Why yu hate ppple who wuk, sacrifice, save an educate dey chirren? dym didn´t sat at bard, hilton etc drinking cocktails nah. Yu is furst, second generation trini or wot? Or is dat de bullxhit yu listening too? Like yu trying tu create yu own division, yu own kly-klu klan here man. get yu facts right nah. Yu know a here from before de PNM, so ah know all de facts. Yu boasting bout de money de nation bathin in, pity yu canh boast bout de water pple bathing in. Is pple like yu who have de nation in de mess it is in now.Why not do sumpthing positive? Empower de afro.trinis who living in misery,. Not by teching de dat dem oddurts teff an owe de sumpting. But by teching dem dat dey have the power to become successful. Its all in theit minds.REMOVE DE DEPENDANCY SYNDROME, TEACH THEM ABOUT THEIRS DIGNITY IN WORK, EDUCATION, SELF-RESPECT AND RESPECT FOR OTHERS. NOT TO HATE AND BLAME OTHERS. BLAME ONLY HELPS TO KEEP US IN A STATE OF LACK! Wake up man.

[KFCSpicy]

Gaia,

HW got banned for a month.

[trinisuckz]

the distribution of wealth is not what causes problems, its the envy of those who are NOT willing to Work hard in order to obtain life luxuries but want it at any cost that is the problem.

people must realise that a Doctor/ dentist or professional MUST make more money, than an average worker.
other wise what is the point !?

[KFCSpicy]

errr what is the point? :? Dat was a serious question?

Please tell us what is the point suckeetrini as I for one would love to know. Are you suggesting that these professions are strictly for making more money than Croesus? and have nothing to do with helping and liking what they chose to do as a career? :o

Wow!

[sheppy]

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161265594 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161265594)

IT is a rarity, almost ancient in fact, to hear of someone compliment a police officer these days or learn of a policeman who has gone beyond the call of his duty.

But thanks to one constable, Gilmore Thomas of the Toco police, one tourist, Chris Maziarski, who flew more than 4,000 kilometres to our shores, will be able to boast about this country and the "polite" police officer who helped him

The Canadian, who has journeyed to more than half a dozen countries including Europe, said he has never met "such an exemplary policeman in all my travels".

Thomas was on duty at the Toco Police Station on January 9 and changed Maziarski's flat tyre without even being asked.

Maziarski, 60, said he was touched by the officer's "gentleman conduct", more so because of the reason why the Ottawa resident came to Trinidad 42 years after first touching our shores.

In 1966, Maziarski came here to attend a two-week international Cadet Force Camp at Galera Road, Toco, on the site of an old American air strip built during the World War II.

"I came here to see how the country has progressed since then and I am impressed. Thought I would go up to Galera Road and check out the old air strip and I also made friends with the police sergeant then so I felt going to Toco would be nice," Maziarski said.

"Off course its all overgrown now and back then the station was one little office, a cell and a stable for a horse. I see now a spanking brand new station has been built. But Mr Thomas's kindness is what I will remember."

Maziarski said he pulled up at in the station yard only to be told by Thomas he had a flat.

The tourist said he took out his jack and without a blink, Thomas took it from him, jacked up the car, took out and spare and changed the tyre.

"Its even a bigger deal for me as I have a bad knee and a hernia that has not healed properly," Maziarski said.

Thomas then gave his guest a tour of the new station.

"Exemplary, kind, courteous and professional, that is what Mr Gilmore Thomas is. He is an example to policemen all over the world. Back in Canada you'll never hear a cop helping someone like that. If more police around the world could be like Mr Thomas then it would be a better place."

A modest Thomas said yesterday that he was just doing his part to "foster a better relationship between the Police Service and civilians, both local and foreign."

[snowbird]

errr what is the point? :? Dat was a serious question?

Please tell us what is the point suckeetrini as I for one would love to know. Are you suggesting that these professions are strictly for making more money than Croesus? and have nothing to do with helping and liking what they chose to do as a career? :o

Wow!

Therein lies the problem; And many wonder why there are problems in the Political Sector, the Education Sector, the Legal Sector, the Medical Sector, and many other 'so called' Professional sectors. I say 'so called' because I for one believe that professionalism is all about attitude or mentality, not about title or qualification

It is very sad, but it would appear that some Trinidadians have gotten so far off track without a proper value system that it's hard to imagine that they could ever get back on track :roll: .